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nicknode_: whats up with neobee?
Mats_cd03: it sucks
VanCleef: outed as a scam
nicknode_: VanCleef: link?
iamnot_: VanCleef, really?
nicknode_: VanCleef: would you let me in on the true inside story on neobee? i'll pay
iamnot_: or just "really?"
VanCleef: my lawyer has asked me to not talk about it
nicknode_: ok well thanks anyway
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samO_: thx mircea_popesku for the link (yeah, i've been blind) :D
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bitcoinpete: ;;later tell benkay ty!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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khersonus: ;;blocks
gribble: 293057
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ArsKisS: havelock so down :/
Jackmaninov: wow such trade
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joeshanny: peek da whole scene and whatever's goin on around, brain kinda cloudy, smoked out, feelin rowdy
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ozbot: The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay asciilifeform you've been mentioned ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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artifexd: mircea_popescu You make me sad. I wanted to believe in NeoBee.
VanCleef: that was your first mistake
mircea_popescu: yeah generally a pragmatic approach works better. there are more things we want to believe in than can be done.
psterryl: so people are saying neobee is a scam now?
VanCleef: yeah its official
mircea_popescu: just poorly managed.
bounce: but, I like that poster!
psterryl: how is it official vancleef?
psterryl: since there's been no official statement
psterryl: seems like rumour to me
psterryl: until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny
mircea_popescu: psterryl what's your reasoning process here ?
psterryl: my reasoning is evidence based
psterryl: without evidence either way
mircea_popescu: i mean specifically in this deduction :
mircea_popescu: <psterryl> so people are saying neobee is a scam now?
mircea_popescu: <VanCleef> yeah its official <psterryl> until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny
psterryl: it's impossible to call it one way or the other
mircea_popescu: no, this is neither reasonable nor novel material.
mircea_popescu: it's been covered to death why " it's impossible to call it one way or the other" doesn't work and doesn't hold, over the years
mircea_popescu: you'll have to refer to the logs.
psterryl: i'm just talking from my own personal viewpoint
psterryl: everyone is entitled to their own opinions/deductions
psterryl: i like to be shown conclusive proof
psterryl: rather than get caught up in internet chinese whispers
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mircea_popescu: no, everyone is not entitled to their own personal viewpoint.
psterryl: oh ok
mircea_popescu: the path is 1) you prove you're able to think ; 2) you're entitled to your own viewpoint.
psterryl: so everyone is entitled to the mircea approved viewpoint?
mircea_popescu: so far you're short 1.
psterryl: well, my 1st class university degree should suggest i'm ok for #1
mircea_popescu: but there is such a thing as an examen de maturite which keeps the children away from human society.
psterryl: but you're just some random guy on the internet
mircea_popescu: you may not suggest that. i have to suggest it, when you're talking to me,
bounce: eh, opinions are like assholes. everyone's got one. whether they matter is something else entirely.
psterryl: so it's not like i have to prove anything to you
psterryl: ok cool
psterryl: well
mircea_popescu: and generally everyone else, when you're talking to them.
psterryl: in that cuse
cazalla: popcorn.gif
psterryl: as of this moment, i'm officially talking to everyone in this channel apart from you
psterryl: so you dont need to worry
cbr: *clap clap clap clap*
ThickAsThieves: statistically, ignoring mp is ignoring like half its content
ThickAsThieves: (the channel's)
punkman1: psterryl: congratulations, you've removed all doubt
psterryl: yeah im new on here so still working out who is insightful and who's just a dick
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
psterryl: at first i thought mp was the former but starting to think latter
chetty: here the dick is the insightful
artifexd: Those qualities are not mutually exclusive.
psterryl: i think that says a lot about the bitcoin community
psterryl: oh wow vancleef
psterryl: such insight
psterryl: many revelation
ThickAsThieves: also "mean" and "dick" are emotional observations
ThickAsThieves: not quite applicable to substance
mircea_popescu: VanCleef i thought the freudian/jungian approach was poo = moneys.
VanCleef: that would be good
VanCleef: i had to check my pants before when i woke up
ThickAsThieves: the life a monkey!
psterryl: true but when someone makes a blanket statement that not everyone is entitled to their own opinion
psterryl: it suddenly becomes much harder to take them seriously
psterryl: even idiots are entited to an opinion
psterryl: it might be subjectively wrong in my eyes
psterryl: but doesnt mean they're not entiteld to it
ThickAsThieves: did you bother asking why?
ThickAsThieves: maybe he has logic behind his claims
ThickAsThieves: you never felt like some people's opinion's dont deserve the weight they carry
psterryl: of course
psterryl: but they're still entitled to that opinion
psterryl: despite my personal views of it
ThickAsThieves: or like the people that are most likely to say "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" are the least likely to have opinions worth considering?
psterryl: well
psterryl: that may be your opinion
ThickAsThieves: it's customer-is-always-right syndrome
psterryl: and you're totally entitled to it
psterryl: but i personally disagree
ThickAsThieves: maybe the issue mp has is with entitlement itself
ThickAsThieves: not the craziest thing to challenge
VanCleef: anyone have a youtube vid of a robot that's better than asimo?
psterryl: that's a possibility
psterryl: but saying that someone has to prove their intelligence before they're allowed an opinion
psterryl: seems like a fairly entitled stance
psterryl: so maybe it's a self-loathing issue
ThickAsThieves: if you think mp is self-loathing, you have not read much from him
psterryl: like i said i'm new here
VanCleef: stocks are like women....once they lose their value you dump them
ThickAsThieves: VanCleef, in that example, isnt better to dump them before they lose value?
VanCleef: yes but like with women investors get emotionally involved and dont know when to let go
VanCleef: this is the problem psterryl is having with neobee atm
ThickAsThieves: a bit of a generalization, but i hear ya
pankkake: I thought the limit for women was clear, dump when the age doesn't end in teen
psterryl: and sometimes people bring a relationship back from the rocks and go on to have long and fulfilling times together
mircea_popescu: why not just dump them when they get annoying, age-irrespective ?
pankkake: wait there are non-annoying women?!
pankkake: that didn't use to be a man?
mircea_popescu: see, if you dump them when they get 20 you're stuck with a bunch of annoying teens
mircea_popescu: if you dump them when they get annoying you're stuck with a bunch of pleasant women.
chetty: hey there are a lot of non-annoying women
ThickAsThieves: maybe you need to write a how to pick up chicks worth picking up blog
mircea_popescu: chetty dated a lot of em ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's simple, "have your girls recommend"
ThickAsThieves: my girls?
ThickAsThieves: like exes?
mircea_popescu: no, because as per previous exes are annoying
mircea_popescu: well slaves if you keep slaves, girlfriends, w/e you got
mircea_popescu: lol mom. not mom, it works better if you've been intimate. what's urmom know.
ThickAsThieves: so ask your gf to recommend a new gf?
mircea_popescu: then again... deep south... maybe i shouldn't assume
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves definitely.
VanCleef: "how to pick up chicks by not talking about bitcoin"
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ThickAsThieves: "I'm sorry baby, it's just not working out. Got any referrals?"
mircea_popescu: well you can't dump her
mircea_popescu: she's not being annoying is she.
ThickAsThieves: you gotta hold our collective hand a little hear
ThickAsThieves: cant find the thread
mircea_popescu: i am more than willing to continue answering q's.
mircea_popescu: tis not annoying or anything :D
ThickAsThieves: i'll rephrase
ThickAsThieves: shooting in the dark is annoying too
ThickAsThieves: so far it seems you want a man to ask his not-annoying gf for recommendations
chetty: where is your sense of adventure?
mircea_popescu: it's unlikely a single girl can do much for oyu.
ThickAsThieves: so we need to rewind to where you suggest a man generally keep multiple gfs
mircea_popescu: a man does generally keep multiple gfs.
[KS]: Hi all - you guys are golden. Asssets/scams/2c psychology/women advice etc :) (back to lurking)
ThickAsThieves: the kind he fucks?
ThickAsThieves: or the kind he'll talk to?
mircea_popescu: [KS] hugs and kisses to you too
Diablo-D3 has kept multiple gfs.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes the kind he fucks.
ThickAsThieves: anytime i've attempted as much it felt more like being a triple agent than anything
mircea_popescu: this "lifetime monogamy" thing is a very narrow edge case of human sexual and intimate practice.
mircea_popescu: both historical and geographical.
ThickAsThieves: the more they know about each other the more crazy they behave
mircea_popescu: if they do dump em.
mircea_popescu: as per annoying rule.
ThickAsThieves: so simple!
mircea_popescu: turns out red wire was there all along :)
ThickAsThieves: and should man tolerate the reverse?
mircea_popescu: up to him.
ThickAsThieves: whether ity annoys him
ThickAsThieves: still works i guess
mircea_popescu: btw, quick question : einstein had a) no girlfriend ; b) one girlfriend c) two girlfriends or d) thirteen girlfriends.
ThickAsThieves: i'm going with intelligence is a burden
ThickAsThieves: "Albert Einstein had half a dozen girlfriends and told his wife they showered him with "unwanted" affection, according to letters released "
Diablo-D3: #smartpeopleproblems
ThickAsThieves: he married his cousin too
Diablo-D3: second cousin
kakobrekla: did he also eat the neighbors dog?
kakobrekla: smart people problems.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, but reports show he occasionally ate the neighbour's bitch.
kakobrekla: you bitch.
mircea_popescu: now to fully establish the other extreme, since nobody seems inclined, we return to scriptae :
mircea_popescu: It's unfair to quote a 5 year old article but if Alone still believes _that_ analysis has validity...he's missed the forest of leeching for the victimized and disinterested trees. Many women invest their entire lives in what amounts to brazen fraud conducted and perfected to "catch" a guy who is then trapped with no idea how cruelly he's been setup.
mircea_popescu: Guys lose interest. And women, who hated sex remember (they're not that type of girl), suddenly give the con away. It boils down to this; what are they bringing to the party?
mircea_popescu: Emotional poison, lies, some shitty repetitive sex (I'll be more romantic when those who believe in the lie that is exclusivity eat the same meal for the rest of their lives), surrogate services, shitty cooking...It doesn't matter that I'm grossly making crude generalizations. I'm right.
mircea_popescu: And the market agrees with me. Alone missed it. Porn is a better product. If girls want to compete maybe they should get real? Virtual honesty v Virtual Deceit? This is economics. No need for hysterics or water works or expressed feelings. Awwh.
mircea_popescu: now THIS is self loathing.
ThickAsThieves: written by a woman?
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus
mircea_popescu: some guy presumably.
ThickAsThieves: or so he'd like us to believe
mircea_popescu: i'll give this much credit to the entire progressive movement : while in the 50s there in fact existed schools and other torture implements dedicated to reforming otherwise decent, healthy and loving human beings into the sort of very sad victims of abuse described there,
mircea_popescu: it's rare now.
mircea_popescu: so rare that extant examples are almost fascinating for reason of that rarity.
ThickAsThieves: i imagine dating in your 30s in 40s these days is pretty much all online websites now?
chetty: huh? Looks like more of those schools out there, just different rules
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves betas shower the websites, alphas let the girls suggest girls for the club.
mircea_popescu: chetty how you mean ?
mircea_popescu: and in completely different yet very related news, "The problem, as the president explained it, is that Putin doesn’t understand how the world is supposed to work"
ThickAsThieves: projection?
mircea_popescu: inching along towards the "putin doesn't give a shit about the way i think the world should work"
chetty: wiht 'leaders' like that no wonder world is such a mess
mircea_popescu: after which, "putin is satan"
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mircea_popescu: and now i shall proceed to read the log, so allow me to spam you all even more!
ThickAsThieves: one thing that isnt so bad about US public communication, is if youve any hint of doubt, you can mostly assume they are saying the opposite of what's true
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mircea_popescu: nice one kakobrekla i tweetered it.
mircea_popescu: you don't have to pay anything, unless you're reading a lot of trilema. then it's like i don't recall, .1 cents ?
ThickAsThieves: how will we protect ATC from such a fate?
mircea_popescu: this is a pretty good q.
kakobrekla: merged mining with btc :(
mircea_popescu: my own thinking is that if we keep a reasonable floor under it it'll never be productive
ThickAsThieves: i dont think it could be protected really
mircea_popescu: in general the best way to reduce irrational behaviour is to control volatility.
mircea_popescu: kinda the original thinking behind central banks at any rate
ThickAsThieves: all it would take is one btc farm to point at it
kakobrekla: go ahead and try to attack 'nmc'
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes, but why would they ? not worth it.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what about it ?
kakobrekla: well, its much much harder than atc
ThickAsThieves: so basically we cant let it bubble either
ThickAsThieves: or itll draw attention
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves indeed. this baby will do a bunch if firsts.
mircea_popescu: first altcoin not premined, first altcoin not allowed to bubble, etc.
ThickAsThieves: time for the Altcoin Central Bank to make a trading bot
mircea_popescu: i thought that's why i wrote bingoboingo.
kakobrekla: how can you 'not allow' it to bubble
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla by selling.
ThickAsThieves: large holders need to give it up when it's time
kakobrekla: you cant sell enough if the things wants to bubble
ThickAsThieves: a new floor might be reached in the process
ThickAsThieves: but trying alone will help
mircea_popescu: economy may be a social science, but finance is totally an art.
kakobrekla: its math, i dont need to try you
mircea_popescu: math is only the bus ticket taking you to the concert.
ThickAsThieves: "SchellingCoin: A Minimal-Trust Universal Data Feed"
kakobrekla: thats fine, i hate concerts.
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to where i can no longer discern parody from reality.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you made that shit up baby ?
ThickAsThieves: ive said as much before, for years
ThickAsThieves: or are you asking me about SchellingCoin?
ThickAsThieves: it's a fukn Ethereum thing
ThickAsThieves: i cant look at any one line without pain
ThickAsThieves: "The main idea here is called “hedging”, and is best explained in the context of Bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: the schelling i was asking about yea
ThickAsThieves: freeze the maths!
kakobrekla: dafuq
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaa
kakobrekla: A court in Fort Worth, Texas, has granted a temporary restraining order to freeze the bitcoin wallets of ASIC mining hardware manufacturer HashFast Technologies LLC and HashFast LLC, after a customer claimed it failed to deliver hardware on time or negotiate a refund.
ThickAsThieves: “It speaks to the legitimacy of cryptocurrencies and a growing understanding of their value and importance to businesses.”
ThickAsThieves: the pains
mircea_popescu: The complaint, which has a Background section with the question “What the heck is a Bitcoin?” also contains an attachment of 30 pages of bitcointalk forum discussion detailing the history of the story from July-August 2013.
mircea_popescu: ok, i guess it's announcement time : mpex will not be honoring the forth worth court order, or any similar instrument drawn by any court.
kakobrekla: why so quick to jump the gun on this while bfl can shit in peoples mouth for years now
mircea_popescu: any bitcoins received as specified by mpex will be fully credited to the depositor in any and all circumstances.
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ThickAsThieves: so now courts need to learn to freeze teh geepeegees
mircea_popescu: courts need to learn the limits of their jurisdiction, preferably.
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mircea_popescu: "At the time of the order, on 1st October 2013, 1 BTC was worth around $126."
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough...
ThickAsThieves: would it be fair to stop assigning a USD value in cases of stolen coins?
ThickAsThieves: 1 btc = 1btc
ThickAsThieves: what is owed is 1 btc
mircea_popescu: in this court, yes.
mircea_popescu: in a fiat court, never.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im off to scream at people who are entitled to their own opinions (over my dead body). bbl.
kakobrekla: ahaah
kakobrekla: i guess this guy did even worse than me
ThickAsThieves: so AM didnt pay any divs this week?
ThickAsThieves: yet they got their first wafers on the 22nd
ThickAsThieves: oh i see
ThickAsThieves: "The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption."
VanCleef: no divs from now on
ozbot: Bill Murray Stops Bank Robbery In Tokyo, Accidentally - National Report | National Report
Mats_cd03: “We love Bill Murray very much in our country, he is very funny man”
Mats_cd03: huhuhu
VanCleef: should have been a scene in lost in translation
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moiety: good aftermewn
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Mats_cd03: good afternoon cuties
VanCleef: hey sexy
moiety: hows everyone's weekend going?
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jurov: moiety, i'm at bitcoin hackathon... but dunno if such activity suits me
bounce: so whatchu haxx0rin?
moiety: jurov: not having fun? is there a fair bit of folk there?
bounce: .oO( lots of the fair folk )
moiety: lol // or is this the online thing?
jurov: no, offline in hackerspace here
jurov: but my hard of hearing ears are failing me again, i need one or few people talk directly to me, not scattered talking across the room
VanCleef: wow havelock is such a fail
jurov: did sth happen besides neobee?
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VanCleef: just slow as ass
VanCleef: i could punch by monitor go out and buy a new one and it would still be loading
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moiety: oh i found it jurov, just hit the bar... it accepts btc lol
moiety: i don't recommend it VanCleef lol using a plug in monitor is such a pain
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moiety: why is it so slow VanCleef?
VanCleef: bunch of shit cunts
VanCleef: that's why
VanCleef: probably becaouse of am news
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VanCleef: hope that was me
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VanCleef: sweet i got the 52's
VanCleef punches monitor anyway
moiety: lol ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44023839 BTC to 4`859 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60720341 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-]
dexX7: am @ 0.54? ouch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6074 = 1.2148 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: bet itll go to 0.49 by tomorrow
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
kakobrekla: lel wtf is this
Diablo-D3: nice
artifexd: Friedcat says the chips work. Price goes down. /confused
ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
VanCleef: what i think happened artifexd is that the page is choking up so much and people are in a panic to buy that they accidently confusing buy with sell instead
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Mats_cd03: ...lol
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dexX7: hey nubbins`, do you still have the "friedcat for president" picture somewhere? :)
nubbins`: ah! that actually wasn't mine
nubbins`: the one with granny blades, ya mean?
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dexX7: yea
nubbins`: that was the inspiration for the shirts i did :D
dexX7: hehe i see :))
dexX7: must be almost a year ago now
VanCleef chants "4 more years, 4 more years."
nubbins`: june 2013
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00597555 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: my friedcat shirt is already damaged
pankkake: scam
dexX7: well anyway. is havelock going up in flames or was the issue yesterday related to neo?
nubbins`: pankkake that's what happens if you wear it every day ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00609199 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: !t h neobee
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00185115 / 0.00207973 / 0.00242900 (6781 shares, 14.10264829 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00245529 / 0.00328800 (115967 shares, 284.73313362 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00357882 / 0.00567777 (513634 shares, 1838.20473331 BTC)
dexX7: trading was frozen
dexX7: or still is, not sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61599 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61592499 = 2.4637 BTC [-] {3}
VanCleef: yeh neobee still frozen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0449 = 0.1796 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00094208 = 5.3228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 180 @ 0.00609998 = 1.098 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06948434 = 0.6948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00609999 = 0.9943 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00609999 = 0.61 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.056425 = 0.1129 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19192 @ 0.00094393 = 18.1159 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.62835386 = 8.1686 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62893889 = 1.2579 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.045 = 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.63809121 = 19.1427 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: i muxed the who ?
mircea_popescu: i need someone to translate the forum for the people who normally translate the forum for me ;/
dexX7: wat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64506666 = 1.9352 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Yeah, come at me gobment bro! Ahm behind 7 proxies! MPEX got an anthrax email from NSA but he muxed it to double sideband at a lower baud rate and now he's in ur base, killing ur d00dz."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6467996 = 6.468 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyone's guess
asciilifeform: 'mux' - multiplexer
dexX7: haha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know that part.
ozbot: Double-sideband suppressed-carrier transmission
mircea_popescu: that's the problem, the words taken disparate work, but somehow they've been put in a soup that fails to anything
asciilifeform: nth generation 'xerox' of a 'ham radio' joke
asciilifeform: probably from a hollywood flick
mircea_popescu: but... DSB-SC is about lower power
mircea_popescu: baud rate dun enter into it
mircea_popescu: well technically better coverage i guess, since your power's your power.
asciilifeform: in hollywood, they appear to use 'shannonizers' to write technical dialogu
asciilifeform: and get pieces like this.
asciilifeform: where'd the turd come from?
mircea_popescu: le forum
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
asciilifeform: loltron
dexX7: wait. you are herp?
dexX7: ah nvm
blackwhite: hola gents
dexX7: hi
tg2: Lol hashfast
tg2: I told you guys, they aren't even building their own hardware
tg2: I know the owner of the company who is assembling their hardware
asciilifeform: very few people do assembly in-house
asciilifeform: not that 'vertical integration' is unheard of, but it rarely makes sense for a small electronics firm to buy pick'n'place apparatus, ovens, etc.
tg2: I could go over there and jack all their units
tg2: But there aren't any lol
tg2: Anyway, waiting for alpha-t to get sued into the ground
asciilifeform: one can get a pick'n'placer for $20-40K (USD), but it isn't magic - someone clueful has to run it
asciilifeform: like any machine tool, really.
asciilifeform: even the fabled '3d printer'
asciilifeform: tends to piss itself half the time, if left alone.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00618023 = 0.1421 BTC [+] {5}
dexX7: related: i was approached by hashfast last year to be a forum shill with a payment of $15/hour in babyjet credits - i declined
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.64788461 = 8.4225 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00619694 = 0.409 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00619998 = 1.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6554 = 6.554 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00619998 = 1.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.00094573 = 2.7511 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i'm not even a little surprised
ozbot: Here’s an idea for you pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you know, judging by the perpetual X is paid by MPEx "discoveries", "research" and so forth on the forum, im starting to suspect i may be the only one not doing this.
mircea_popescu: too quickly they think of it for them to not be doing it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can buy marine radar domes quite small enough to fit on a car.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but i would imagine a better adjusted thing may be developed.
mircea_popescu: i mean, marine radar is not biased for concrete say
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that a recent mercedes has radar of some form
kakobrekla: it doesnt work very well
mircea_popescu: they've been toying with "assisted parking" for quite a while.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.66905732 = 14.7193 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06939704 = 0.2082 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, whosoever gets anywhere even near a deliverable with this tyhing is getting bought out in short order, and in the higher millions.
asciilifeform: afaik, the only parking-related car widget worth mentioning is that japanese mod where all four wheels turn
asciilifeform: moving the car sideways
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6747038 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that and the tentacles.
asciilifeform: bought out in short order, and in the higher millions << might be a little problem once the car behind/in front/side of yours has emitters
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you polarize the lasers, you use modulated radar, there's solutions
asciilifeform: then you get folks who go 'well, if we're already broadcasting, let's make exact position radio mandatory, like lights'
kakobrekla: mux it to lower band rate?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla exactly!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, the perennial possibility of idiots does not really constitute a counterargument.
mircea_popescu: i never hear anyone propose abstinence on the grounds that fucking may become obligatory otherwise.
mircea_popescu: and yet it has!
tg2: I had one idea for a car invention
asciilifeform: anyone recall the widget the americans used in vietnam, that picked up rf noise from cars?
tg2: Proximity sensors on the end of your doors and hydraulic inhibitors on the door hinges
tg2: So your door doesn't open into somebody's car
tg2: it would stop just before
asciilifeform: tg2: that, or rubber bumpers.
mircea_popescu: rubber bumps sounds cheaperr
tg2: Nope this is sans contact
tg2: And it stops before
mircea_popescu: if anyone's seen cars in like rome etc... the even cheaper alternative would be "people stop giving a shit about scratches"
tg2: Not putting rubber door bumpers on my 150,000 merc
mircea_popescu: latin america is like that too
asciilifeform: i've always thought it odd, that no one, lambo or trambo, makes a car with standardized panels for the outside
asciilifeform: which one could unbolt and swap at one's leisure
mircea_popescu: no car contains a flat surface of as much as a square inch
asciilifeform: they needn't be flat and rigid
tg2: If it can be done with backup proximity sensors
tg2: That technology is already nature
tg2: Subsurface too now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually even since the japanese have been working on their female android women replacements, i've been thinking "they'll make cars out of that skin material just as soon as possible"
tg2: They have scratch repairing paint already
tg2: nissan invented it
asciilifeform: anyone have the ancient link to the piece re: korean students who go through 2-3 of the 'androids' per year?
moiety: they need robot women replacements with all the people like karpeles going over and buying their women
mircea_popescu: moiety think about all the time this is saving you.
mircea_popescu: kitchen robots were nothing.
moiety is happy with a toaster, you know this ;P
mircea_popescu: "even a blind toaster can pinch a careless nipple", or how did that russian proverb go
asciilifeform: 'Social skills will decline markedly after the advent of sex robots, much like the way electronic calculators degraded arithmetic skills. Because sex robots will finally allow men to be themselves. This will make men even less desirable to real women than they are already, driving men to seek solace with sex robots even more. The cycle will be vicious and I can’t wait for it to start.'
moiety: lolololol
moiety: i dont know any russian proverbs unless manuls are involved
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that, tbh. if anything, it'll remove a lot of pressure to perform from the mishoden, dysfunctional male humans, which'll make it so much better for the healthy.
asciilifeform: 'Some women might, however, choose to coexist with sexbots, just as some European women as they get older tolerate their husbands taking up with younger mistresses. The aging wife gets to keep her status and her stable home. She has all the trappings of marriage, but she no longer functions as her husband’s sexual outlet.'
mircea_popescu: take sports : a sport that's popular is annoying because all the inept idiots insist to play it.
mircea_popescu: a sport that's not popular is usually a lot more fun
mircea_popescu: moietybot should be known as moietybooty
moiety: LOL mircea_popescu i dont think i have a big enough arse to qualify
mircea_popescu: so work it girl!
asciilifeform: moietybot: someone ought to cross-breed manul with the argentinian 'colocolo' - to get a thicker-yet beast
mircea_popescu: or with an eagle.
mircea_popescu: to give it wings.
mircea_popescu: imagine! flying manul.
moiety: i just want one big enough to ride around on, is that so much to ask?
asciilifeform: most 'felis' can actually cross.
moiety: omg stuff your flying japanese girl covered cars, i want a flying manul!
asciilifeform: e.g. african 'serval' and housecat
mircea_popescu: moiety would you ride around on it naked holding a spear ?
moiety: so much YES
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2014/heres-an-idea-for-you/ --- Futura is my favorite typeface, but the world seems to be catching on
mircea_popescu: we could call it "the walk of the moieties"
moiety: wait, can i has a crossbow?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well it also depends on the application imo
asciilifeform: 'The in-laws won’t be as much of a problem either because the male in-laws will be preoccupied with sexbots of their own, therefore they will have less time on their hands to spend meddling in the lives of their relatives. At family gatherings, the men will gather around to trade sexbot programs, while the women will gather to complain about the men’s sexbots. Or may women will play with their catbots and
asciilifeform: be happy, while their Oprah-bots listen to them talk about their problems and simulate interest.'
mircea_popescu: but what do i know, my interaction with typo design was limited to being the phb for a few years.
jurov: moiety crossbow is fine as long as you don't wear armor with duck-beaked helmet
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly got more character than Helvetica
ThickAsThieves: no pun intended
mircea_popescu: helvetica is overblown.
mircea_popescu: jurov duck beaked helmet isn't so bad...
mircea_popescu: maybe she could have mmorpg style armor : something to protect her pubic bone and something on her shoulders.
mircea_popescu: because we all know that's where armor is really needed.
moiety: jurov, nah im not getting clothes so its cool
moiety: actually, pubic bones... yeah what mircea_popescu said
mircea_popescu: moiety armor where the hair grows. it's how the greeks did it...
moiety: asciilifeform: jeez... these wee buggers have stripey legs....are you trying to make me have no free time at all?! http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/C4/C40A617A-375F-4208-9D7E-B2EB473F867D/Presentation.Large/Pampas-cat-.jpg
mircea_popescu: that looks uncomfortable enough...
moiety: looks chilly to me
moiety: i do live in scotland
moiety: but.. manuls are soooo fluffy... compensation?!
mircea_popescu: somewhat derpier.
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/13295acff0139c305bbddf582bb1065f/tumblr_n2a1vkaRIu1s0wwqso1_500.jpg << and this could be your accountant/pass through operator / travel arrangements arranger.
asciilifeform: 'If the world’s most beautiful women want to be gold-diggers, that’s their right. It doesn’t “humiliate” me. It merely establishes what I would have to obtain (namely, wealth and fame) if I wanted to bang some of those women. The actual women, that is. Technology may provide an easier alternative. And a more intellectually satisfying alternative too.'
asciilifeform: 'It’s interesting to consider which gender’s ideal can be realized first with technology. It should be a lot easier for technology to simulate Howard Stern’s girlfriend (for the satisfaction of men) than for technology to simulate Howard Stern (for the satisfaction of women). With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status. If every man had a $500 million satellite radio co
asciilifeform: ntract, they would all be merely average again in the eyes of women. (Consider that the average US working stiff is fantastically wealthy in Medieval terms, but modern US women have simply raised their materialistic requirements commensurately.)
asciilifeform: With Howard Stern’s girlfriend, the salient features are absolute: her looks and her receptive behavior. If every woman looked similarly good, and behaved as adoringly toward the average working stiff, they would still look good. (A man can test this hypothesis by viewing photographs of thousands of attractive women. Even after massive, pervasive exposure, they still look good. In fact, pornography can be un
asciilifeform: derstood as an attempt by men to democratize the experience of enjoying beautiful women. So far, technology hasn’t been up to the task—actual beautiful women are still better—but technology will keep improving.)'
mircea_popescu: sigh. they're not gold diggers ffs.
asciilifeform: (last turd. anyone who wants more can visit the site)
ozbot: Sa facem o regula pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: sadly, in romanian. but apparently same problems exist in english too
mircea_popescu: " With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status." god help us. that's the salient feature ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, this fellow, afaik, was not a psychiatric case himself, but for some reason enjoyed trolling usenet groups full of such
asciilifeform: 'alt.support.sad' whatever
mircea_popescu: good troll then.
asciilifeform: one of the best that ever lived, imho
mircea_popescu: and no, the avg working stiff is by no means richer than the average medieval iobag
mircea_popescu: not by a long shot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform name ?
mircea_popescu: moiety you ever been in a corset ?
asciilifeform: dan mocsny
mircea_popescu: not a corselet/bodice/otherbs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds hungarian.
asciilifeform: afaik he's still alive, somewhere in ohio (u.s.) but only posts to groups re: competitive bicycling
asciilifeform: as to when is the next race, etc.
moiety: not a proper, someone else laces you in at the back one. mine had bones but laced up both sides instead
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so invite him over!
mircea_popescu: moiety yeah. they're not that comfortable to wear, esp for teh noob/peasant girl that wasn't raised with them.
mircea_popescu: that metal thing is that much less forgiving
moiety: looks cool tho
mircea_popescu: sure. pain usually looks cool on women.
mircea_popescu: honest signal.
asciilifeform: (apologies for the line noise)
mircea_popescu: what better way to spend a summer
mircea_popescu: than cooking your boobs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hmm, i should be on alt.support.shyness.
Mats_cd03: meow
asciilifeform: and if you need to cook something else, take the parabolic reflectors off and prop in the sun.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk if that snakepit still exists
asciilifeform: this crap is very ancient history
asciilifeform: then again, a usenet group can never really die
asciilifeform: like a soviet satellite in 'graveyard orbit'
asciilifeform: much of usenet is, unfortunately, parked in graveyard orbit.
mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah afaik
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 646 @ 0.00631207 = 4.0776 BTC [+] {10}
moiety: <mircea_popescu> than cooking your boobs << lmfao
asciilifeform: herr mocsny was once called an 'intellectual father' of the 'pua' folks.
moiety: whatever happened to people liking other people for who they were? have i been under a rock too long?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00649968 = 3.8998 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: moiety show me people who ARE something and i'll consider it.
blackwhite: so complicated
benkay: morning
bitcoinpete: morning
blackwhite: morning ben
benkay: met more crazy people
benkay: why ams bitcoinfolk so insane?
moiety: it depends what makes a person someone for you though. there arent enuogh people with personality now
blackwhite: because it attracts the best and the worst kind of people
blackwhite: all the scammers with the ideologists
mircea_popescu: the best kinds of people often actually being the worst kinds of people.
moiety: glad to see you made it through the night benkay, did a neighbour pop by to feed you?
benkay: "entrepreneurs"
mircea_popescu: epic fucking boots already.
moiety: I want the sword :(
moiety: for my collection
asciilifeform: that sword probably weighs more than the girl.
mircea_popescu: yeah it's a decent bastard isn't it
moiety: ikr
moiety: bet my hattori is sharper tho :P
asciilifeform: archaelogists love to point out how lightweight most actual, historical armaments were.
asciilifeform: compared with theatrical junk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, actual weapons exist to not be seen, but used. thatrical stuff the converse.
blackwhite: i just like the girl fuck all the other stuff
asciilifeform: correct
mircea_popescu: blackwhite you're not perverse enough to be here then!
asciilifeform: ;;google an officer without a sword is improperly dressed
gribble: Jack Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill>; Badass of the Week: Jack Churchill: <http://badassoftheweek.com/churchill.html>; Any Officer Who Goes Into Action Without His Sword is Improperly ...: <http://www.damninteresting.com/any-officer-who-goes-into-action-without-his-sword-is-improperly-dressed/>
benkay: the girl is boring
benkay: everything is boring
benkay: i am hungover
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0009467 = 11.9284 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: wat
bitcoinpete: and it's portland so there's no sun
benkay: no there you're wrong
benkay: for these current ten minutes there is sun
mircea_popescu: is that some wakizashi ?
benkay: we have a crazy microclimate that's always flipping and flopping through various precipitation states
benkay: local chaos zone
benkay: mmm. reds.
benkay: so hey are we distinguishing between incompetence and malice in Bitcoin these days, mircea_popescu ?
benkay: i was under the impression everything just got lumped under 'scam'
asciilifeform: incompetence + persistence ~= malice.
mircea_popescu: ha! good eq.
mircea_popescu: "sufficiently persistent incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
benkay: is that you and your daikatana, moiety ?
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1763472/plain/)
mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's her and her loubotin sandals. the sword's a prop.
moiety: lolnope i have a hattori hunting as my pride and joy, i'd love one though.. plus i am the same colour as paper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06894998 = 0.6895 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: i'd take the dog too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23448 @ 0.00094684 = 22.2015 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: andyfletcher btw, get in the wot will you.
tg2: You guys blade heads?
andyfletcher: mircea_popescu, am on wot just wasn't authenticated
tg2: ;;ident andyfletcher
gribble: Nick 'andyfletcher', with hostmask 'andyfletcher!~andy@unaffiliated/uksv29', is identified as user 'andyfletcher', with GPG key id 502409E67767E3C6, key fingerprint 7104459391233F576A31B5CD502409E67767E3C6, and bitcoin address 17fZJ7UNTTxA2hrPLFvuNHbBnqpXJ31GB6
andyfletcher grins "Is me"
mircea_popescu: o hey :)
mircea_popescu: nice new pic bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu the alt-twitter one?
bitcoinpete: ty. it's actually slightly older
bitcoinpete: i just thought your car-minded piece was better directed at my car-minded followers
bitcoinpete: reading lots of ballas today
bitcoinpete: latin too
jurov: mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls
mircea_popescu: jurov on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a thought : how about rng based on measuring instantaneous polarisation of Nd:YAG laser ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: feasible - expensive
mircea_popescu: the garnets aren't really that expensive anymore are they ?
asciilifeform: and possibly subject to thermal effects
mircea_popescu: yes but immune to any em effects
mircea_popescu: such that geiger is not
asciilifeform: cheaper to have a johnson rng in a shield
mircea_popescu: are the aluminium garnets really that expensive still ?!
asciilifeform: regardless of what type of rng, analogue portion of circuit must be shielded
mircea_popescu: this is true.
bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform: lasers also age very dramatically (less the case for semiconductor laser, but remains)
asciilifeform: of course, anything ages. geiger tube is good for a few yrs.
bitcoinpete: ;;rate benkay 1 helped teach me that variety speak
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: yeah afaik ss lasers don't age that fast.
asciilifeform: a sane rng is always shielded, not only to keep out noise (natural or otherwise) but to avoid broadcasting state.
bitcoinpete: ;;rate artifexd 1 generously lent btc
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.
kakobrekla: looper-os.org down ?
bounce: re hud and laser rangefinders, IIRC jaguar went on discovery ages ago with something built into the windshield, and ir lamps+imagers. and bmw also did somethingorother along those lines.
kakobrekla: loper-os.org
kakobrekla: i always think of that looper movie.
mircea_popescu: bounce how come nothing much came of it ?
mircea_popescu: (ipads aren't particularly innovative eithger, in that strict sense)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.006499 = 0.6824 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems to be up ?
kakobrekla: im getting an error page
bounce: don't have details, but could well be a proof of concept thingy, like those concept cars that never go beyond the single prototype made.
mircea_popescu: yah maybe
moiety: i get an error page too kakobrekla
kakobrekla: yeah but for MP it will work even if his net is shut off
kakobrekla: we should use him as a proxy
moiety: lololol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11949 @ 0.00094524 = 11.2947 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: the nfs site is down too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nao it fails for me too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0064991 = 0.234 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00094699 = 7.7653 BTC [+]
moiety: i get a security warning now
moiety: they must be mid-fix because the nfs logo works now
Dimsler_: maybe someone is trying to steal your buttcoins?
moiety: i see havelock's homepage is only updated with the 'good' news and the most up-to-date is buried
mircea_popescu: that's how you do pr, according to people who have no qualification, training or experience in the field.
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: which one of you oops i mean which one of me is that ?
kakobrekla: dafuk dat thing is still going
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla dat thing is endless. mtgox will be long forgotten
mircea_popescu: "I am not publicly broadcasting my business plan due to its unique nature meant to take advantage of the market."
lnovy giggles
ozbot: Dank Bank Deposits - dank's soul is claimed - New music Nov 30th
mircea_popescu: pretty epic blast from the past
mircea_popescu: "Hello, everyone, my name is Dank and I'm here to prove my worthiness as an investment. "
mircea_popescu: "By the end of this year, 2012, I believe I will be a highly known guitarist/musician."
mircea_popescu: "This time frame may seem unrealistically short, for I have only started playing electric guitar towards the end of August, but recent realizations have led me to believe this is possible."
mircea_popescu: "Humans have been evolving exponentially for some time now, with advances in technology and communication lessening the time needed for the same amount of change to occur. Logically, following this pattern, there will come a time when more change happens in an hour than has happened in the last millennium. Through meditation, connecting to a higher consciousness within, and communicating these ideas, I've had the epi
mircea_popescu: phany that 2012 is a real event."
mircea_popescu: and i have to stop there.
kakobrekla: nice logo
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you notice it has a shadow ?
kakobrekla: its better than cognitive, even if it has less colors
mircea_popescu: but did you know that dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3d?
asciilifeform: '55 minutes ago: After an unplanned maintenance reboot, one of our fileservers did not come back
asciilifeform: online. We have people investigating, and in parallel we are rolling a new
asciilifeform: server with a backup from about an hour before the reboot.'
asciilifeform: (from me hoster)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 318 @ 0.006499 = 2.0667 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lesson no1. never ever reboot the server.
mircea_popescu: servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let the log reflect the new coinage "unplanned maintenance reboot".
mircea_popescu: "shit joe, reboot it see if it works then"
mircea_popescu: the power cycle that's intentional but unexpected.
asciilifeform: this happens every few years at nfs corp. but i really love that hoster
lnovy: you can fix everything with reboot... from stucked mouse to mysql table corruption...
asciilifeform: i don't think it gets any cheaper for low-traffic crap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure it's perfectly fine for hosting a blog etc.
mircea_popescu: but still very amusing.
asciilifeform: that's more or less what people use it for.
asciilifeform: it isn't a rack company - all vm, afaik
asciilifeform: of course, i post so rarely that perhaps 90% of it is not only in 'google cache' but 'archive.org'
ozbot: The ducks in the bathroom are not mine.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ^
mircea_popescu: tenants from hell.
ozbot: I am able to move small objects with my mind.
mircea_popescu: like... penises.
mircea_popescu: "I have read your website and it is obviously that your a foggot."
lnovy: i god, i'm laughting like hell...
mircea_popescu: hey, did i ever tell you folks about the one time i got kicked out of a gay club ?
mircea_popescu: which is also the only time i ever got kicked out of anywhere, club or anything else.
mircea_popescu: i didn't torch the place in revenge, either.
jurov: what did you do there?
mircea_popescu: what one normally does in a club. drank and yelled at people.
mircea_popescu: what do you want me to do, dance ?!
jurov: lol i was not asking that in accusatory manner
tg2: sneaky knc
tg2: can't say I blame them tho
tg2: I got thrown out of a club once with a $8000 tab
tg2: I just went home
tg2: lol
tg2: chepest night in a club so far
tg2: the promoter called me back for 2 weeks after crying and begging me to come back
mircea_popescu: they're too noobish around here to actualy have promoters.
tg2: montreal has a huge club scene
tg2: probably more clubs per capita than anywhere I know
mircea_popescu: timisoara is roughly speaking a smaller akron, ohio.
tg2: sounds.... exciting
tg2: lol
mircea_popescu: well let's put it this way... in an actual town ever working class cunts can have fun.
mircea_popescu: it takes a real hellhole to really select the funhavers.
tg2: your women look very slavic
tg2: is romania even considered slavic?
tg2: I know that ukrain, serbia bulgaria are
asciilifeform: Ro has, what, 5+ ethnic groups ?
tg2: (oops, i mean... southeastern russia, lol)
tg2: but, all sides of it are slavic...
mircea_popescu: it's ~85% romanian, some hungarian, trace other dozen or so elements
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you figure those women look "Slavic"
tg2: only by hungary is it not slavic
tg2: cheek structure
asciilifeform: the gypsies (any left in Ro?) aren't the least bit slavic
tg2: high pointy cheeks
tg2: lol gypsies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some, yeah. a mil or so.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, "slavic" would be blonde.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll bbl we can continue teh racism then.
tg2: this auroracoin aftermath is luls
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00094701 = 3.414 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore << i bet i'm not the only one who wonders why kernel-in-ROM never caught on
asciilifeform: (naturally, rom with physical switch for write-enable)
asciilifeform: one reason might be that pc architecture, almost always by default, 'shadows' roms
asciilifeform: that is, copies them to cacheable RAM on boot
asciilifeform: (executing from rom, esp. the 'serial' 8-legged variety, is dog-slow)
jurov: i bought such mobo with dual bios
jurov: but never actually tried it
jurov: ( gigabyte )
asciilifeform: typically these have a toggle that moves the clock/data line from 1 serial rom to another
asciilifeform: for recovering from botched flashes.
asciilifeform: these used to be popular in the wake of the '90s 'chernoble' virus
asciilifeform: but have mostly disappeared
asciilifeform: any serious pc user should own a rom burner anyway
asciilifeform: chinese units are 20-50 usd
jurov: one usually does it once in 5 years... not sure if it's worth the occupied space
asciilifeform: space?! they're pocket-sized
asciilifeform: or you meant, on the board
jurov: yes i meant... hundred pocket sized gizmos to be used once in 5 yrs + cables = several boxen labeled shit and "more shit"
jurov: it's annoying
truffles: yay shit
asciilifeform: a box with zapped rom is considerably more annoying, imho
asciilifeform: if buying a rom burner, helps to get the kind that takes SOIC-8 socket adapters, for laptop flash
cads: hey has anyone hear if something bad is happening with auroracoin?
truffles: cads into alts hmm
cads: doge for life
cads: about 10 days ago auroracoin put $300 worth of auroracoin up for any icelandic citizen to grab
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: "and I experienced complete awareness", lel
nubbins`: i've read that one in the past
truffles: not possible
cads: since then citizens have had their identities forged, the value of the AUR has dropped like 75% and now people are saying AUR is being hit by a 51% attack
cads: the chaos is kinda awesome but I can't figure what's going on
truffles: get a blackbox ull know it all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00094734 = 19.0415 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: ponzidoge.com... lol
tg2: 8m dogecoin in 15 minutes
cads: Hilarious :)
tg2: shit is killin it
tg2: ltcponzi was $7000 worth of ltc in 45 mins yesterday
tg2: this is the new satoshidice
Mats_cd03: where do i acquire such a chinese made rom burner
tg2: dev said btc is coming soon
cads: haha, awesome
cads: thanks for sharing, tg2, that's delightful
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0568 = 0.3408 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0568 = 0.2272 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: #dogecoin having trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that an OPEN ponzi where everything is visible is not really a ponzi lol
tg2: its just a game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0449 = 0.2245 BTC [+]
truffles: nerds can be gullible too
tg2: whatever happened ot bitcoinsand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Bitcoinsand
tg2: still rolling I guess
tg2: meh
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg
tg2: not enough interest to be a ponzi :D
CheckDavid: tg2: there's a game called bubble
tg2: :D
CheckDavid: Which basically is an explicit ponzi with rules
tg2: IPO are the last ones in :D
lnovy: the whole pc architecture is a big matrix, it looks and behaves pretty much nothing like you see it
lnovy: huh... scrollbuffer lag
lnovy: ignore plz :)
truffles: that game sounds fun
tg2: fk its taking a long time to generate a gpg key with 9 matching characters in it's long ID lol
tg2: Found 3256676 keys so far, running for 104196.6s (Rate:31.3/s)
tg2: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None
tg2: 10 characters *
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00094857 = 18.0228 BTC [+] {4}
bounce: asciilifeform: acorn arm boxes had riscos in rom. nice and quick booting, too.
Namworld: Wait.... WAIT. Wait wait wait wait wait... Stripe will allow Bitcoin payments?
Namworld: That adds a good bunch of merchants
ozbot: 'Malleability' attacks not to blame for Mt. Gox's missing bitcoins, study says | PCWorld
Namworld: Oh really? You don't say...
Namworld: How unsurprising.
lnovy: incomming!
Namworld: If Karpeles finds more Bitcoins and they're all returned I'll make the weirdest face. "He didn't scam, he just lost the keys? Had to try and find doubles in old backups of data? What stupidity is this?"
Namworld: Current odds of getting 100% back: 0.001% or so, odds provided by Ass-Pullouts®
dexX7: hehe.. the wallet they found was allegedly found, because it was in an old format that new bitcoin clients don't recognize
dexX7: or something like that ;)
xdotcomm_: tg2: dats a nice key
xdotcomm_: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified.
xdotcomm_: meh
Namworld: Translation: "My keys!? They no work, what happened!? Oh, I have one here in this old backup. Maybe I can keep looking, maybe I find more keys in these old files."
dexX7: sounds accurate
Namworld: Someone, please do a retro parody of a platformer, called: "Karpeles and the Search for the Seven Private Keys"
Namworld: With coffee powerups, regulators and hacker mobs/bosses and of course collecting keys or fragments of keys.
jurov: Namworld don't forget protesters
jurov: and the end boss shall bear uncanny resemblance to mpoe-pr
jurov: chetty maybe you can make a little development detour?
truffles: a pr person that is total pr nightmare, only on internet
asciilifeform: bounce: all 1980s micros, afaik, did
asciilifeform: bounce: i was thinking of modern pc
ThickAsThieves: so Jesus Antonopolis has a book coming out
ThickAsThieves: it can't be purchased with bitcoins
dexX7: 250 pages x.x
ThickAsThieves: "If you're interested in learning more about the technical operation of bitcoin, or if you're building the next great bitcoin killer­app or business, you will find this book essential reading. From the basic use of a bitcoin wallet to buy a cup of coffee, to running a bitcoin marketplace with hundreds of thousands of transactions, or collaboratively building new financial innovations
ThickAsThieves: that will transform our understanding of currency and credit, this book will help you engineer money. You're about to unlock the API to a new economy. This book is your key."
ThickAsThieves: parody vs reality
ThickAsThieves: who will win?
ThickAsThieves: stay tuned!
asciilifeform: 'parody horizon.'
truffles: hey TAT write that blog yet?
ozbot: Mastering Bitcoin - Community Outline Review
ThickAsThieves: the first blog post didnt make it past peer review
truffles: orly
truffles: i can review if u want
truffles likes to be entertained!
truffles: there are a few other bloggers itc
truffles: cant recall if theyre consistent, cuz i forget
ozbot: Assets Assimilated
truffles: non assets mp related
ThickAsThieves: well you cant complain when b-assets people write about assets and you ask assets people for writing
truffles: didnt ask for assets content
ThickAsThieves: people here also list other blogs they like at times
ThickAsThieves: The Last Psychiatrist
ThickAsThieves: Pando isnt bad for news about news
truffles: oh its not that specific
truffles: just has to gauge my interest :)
truffles: so is btc stable now`
azi`_: did i miss any news about neobee?
ThickAsThieves: give it a month
truffles: last i saw it was in the 600s
truffles: how goes neobee
dexX7: price tanked, trading halted
azi`_: something fishy is apparently going on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06992203 = 0.1398 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1170 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.2937% in 6d 19h 4m 7s
dexX7: haha reddit about friedcat: "I don't know, anonymous according to /r/bitcoin means "will steal bitcoins in future". How do we know the ASICs don't have a function that sends your mined bitcoins to some address at some point in the future or installs a virus on your computer? Is the hardware opensourced?"
Duffer1: wow
TestingUnoDosTre: how come the expected change is 16,3% when bitcoinwisdom projects 21%
dexX7: the "next diff" algorithm is only a simple linear projection (hashrate-now/hashrate-last = hashrate-increase%) and bitcoinwisdom uses something more sophisticated
TestingUnoDosTre: can anyone tell me about gribbles next difficulty calculation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0569 = 0.1707 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Mozilla's bad week: Employees call for CEO Eich to step down, 3 board members leave | VentureBeat |
kanzure: dexX7: couldn't you just monitor the outbound network activity from the asic device instead
dexX7: hm?
dexX7: elaborate please
tg2: Yeah it wouldn't be hard
tg2: even with published source though many people still download binary
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06949969 = 0.695 BTC [-] {3}
tg2: People still use Firefox?
fordlincoln1: anyone trade the bitcoin cfds on avatrade?
kakobrekla: that prolly a bucket shop
kakobrekla: not prolly, certainly.
cazalla: tg2: what's wrong with firefox?
tg2: Chrome is what's wrong with Firefox
Apocalyptic: Opera is the shit now
cazalla: i'd rather not give google my browsing habits
tg2: I heard netscape is pretty nice
tg2: although i prefer lynx because it doesn't forward my cookies unless explicitly advised to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00094475 = 12.8014 BTC [-] {2}
mystisking: whats the future of crypto trading?
tg2: in fact it asks me every time
mystisking: is bitcoin over?
tg2: If dice listed on any markets?
tg2: ;;ident mystisking
gribble: Nick 'mystisking', with hostmask 'mystisking!48e5a0ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.229.160.174', is not identified.
tg2: > web
tg2: Troll harder
mystisking: i have a question
Apocalyptic: <mystisking> is bitcoin over? << obvious troll is obvious
tg2: Mystisking, the ceo of Bitcoin committed suicide so yeah Bitcoin is pretty much dead
tg2: everybody knows this why do you not
mystisking: where can i see announcements of new cryptocurrencies?
tg2: Fox news
mystisking: thanks guy
mystisking: you're a real jerk
tg2: Np any time
tg2: drop by any time and ask as stupid of a question as you want
tg2: you'll always get a sincere response
tg2: Go to /r/dogecoin you'll be right at home
dexX7: he's gone
tg2: I have parts muted
dexX7: ic
tg2: I don't c
tg2: Benkay
tg2: What are you drinking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069899 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
tg2: > Tfw no benkay
MisterE: Chrome is such crap
MisterE: I switched to FF from Chromium
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069899 = 0.1398 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: tg2, what version of lynx do you use ?
tg2: Bleeding edge
tg2: I use phantomjs now
tg2: Headless webkit ftw
tg2: It renders css and JavaScript without a ui.
tg2: it makes one hell of a sick crawler
tg2: It's like having only console open on your browser
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.64999999 = 14.3 BTC [-] {2}
tg2: 2.8.8 lynx
tg2: I believe that's current
kanzure: phantomjs is actually using an ancient version of webkit
kanzure: i highly recommend using recent webkit and just use the gobject bindings
kanzure: (context: i've contributed to phantomjs)
tg2: Can it be run without x?
xdotcomm_: tg2: going for wendies !
MisterE: Breaking news on the missing plane, still nothing found...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069898 = 0.1398 BTC [-]
kanzure: tg2: technically no, webkigtk+ requires X unless you find a way to get gtk running without x.. there used to be a way with cairo but nobody seems to care anymore.
kanzure: tg2: however, running X headlessly is not hugely problematic these days because of xserver-xorg-video-dummy
kanzure: tg2: and i would say the advantages of running modern webkit far outweigh the troubles with running X... you get Function.prototype.bind :)
kanzure: even when phantomjs2 comes out in the next few months i would recommend caution because the dependency on qtwebki from a qt release means that you're waiting multiple months for bugfixes to get into phantomjs (so far webkit updates are so far behind it's sad)
kanzure: e.g. it's not just qtwebkit but it's a qt-release that includes a release of qtwebkit which includes a release of webkit. but the real thing you care about is webkit!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04440002 = 0.1776 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069898 = 0.2796 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00614222 = 0.1106 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00094904 = 20.8314 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: I just use it for page scraping
tg2: And thumb generation
tg2: Headless is nice
tg2: True headless
tg2: there is to much tied through x imo
tg2: Fglrx for example
Apocalyptic: tg2, do you even run X ?
tg2: Not if I don't need gui
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65252999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.62 = 12.4 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.65250798 = 1.305 BTC [+]
ozbot: The Cashless Society Almost Here And With Some Very Sinister Implications - Waking Times
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65250798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094569 = 9.1259 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: lol fiat: http://www.scribd.com/doc/201651711/October-24-2013-Class-Cert-Order - this is related to the civil suit against the silicon valley companys for conspiring to limit recruitment
decimation: Alan Eustace (Google Senior Vice President) commented ...
decimation: to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer"
decimation: take 2: According to him:the "long-term right approach is not to deal with these situations as one-off?s but to have a systematic approach to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer"
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