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grubles: ohai mircea_popescu
joecool: grubles
joecool: wat
grubles: wat wat?
grubles: joecool, ?
KRS-1: Hi.
joecool: grubles: ?
grubles: you wat'd me
joecool: grubles: wat
grubles: stahp!
grubles: and buy my mpex acct
joecool: how much you want to sell it for
KRS-1: so this is the new high
KRS-1: heh
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 116.00011, Best ask: 116.48899, Bid-ask spread: 0.48888, Last trade: 116.48900, 24 hour volume: 175921.25091255, 24 hour low: 104.00000, 24 hour high: 137.46000, 24 hour vwap: 118.66396
Chaang-Noi: im happy with 116
Chaang-Noi: honestly think its too high
Chaang-Noi: i just hope we dont ever go under 50 again
mircea_popescu: seems unlikely.
Chaang-Noi: but im pretty sure we will see double digits again
Chaang-Noi: this bubble bull seems over, maybe not but seems we got to wait a while for the next huge run up
grubles: lol well which is it goat
Chaang-Noi: i think we will slowly trend down for a while until we find stable
Chaang-Noi: have no idea what that is, and i might not be right
Chaang-Noi: im not god you know:)
Chaang-Noi: i just hope that finnish guy send me that 100k usd for the 134$ price muhahahah
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i bet you he won't.
mircea_popescu: at which point scammer tag ?
Chaang-Noi: that was the point of this
Chaang-Noi: he has 2 weeks
Chaang-Noi: from monday
jcpham: scammer tags are tossed around on the forums like they mean something
jcpham: narcs narcing narcs
Chaang-Noi: ill still have a thread. the point was to have him prove he is a "player"
Chaang-Noi: i honestly thought he would turn me down but he said he will do it
Chaang-Noi: he is either a troll or just fucking crazy, or high
jcpham: i watched 2 people report each other to admins over bullshit in a thread today like it meant something
jcpham: he deleted my posts
Chaang-Noi: if he is a troll we will find out soon enough
Chaang-Noi: i wont report to an admin, ill just make a thread
jcpham: i'll make a thread too
Chaang-Noi: i just want to prove that he is a troll, or i get 100kusd
jcpham: it will be my first one
Chaang-Noi: its win win for me
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23001 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: go cognitive:)
grubles: just wondering but how are people trading with you still goat
Chaang-Noi: what do you mean how?
Chaang-Noi: dont you know how bankls and btc works?
grubles: after all the pirate and tygrr stuff and whatnot
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.23 = 2.76 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: lol im not pirate, and paid in fuill all my insured shit
jcpham: ;;gpg info Chaang-Noi
gribble: No such user registered.
Chaang-Noi: i was a ppt
jcpham: see grubles
jcpham: it's that easy
mircea_popescu: <jcpham> narcs narcing narcs <<< this
grubles: you never gave pirate the id info for your ppt peeps right?
jcpham: that's how i feel about the forum in 3 words
Chaang-Noi: no one has made a scammers thread aginst me but some nefario perv who did it cuz i said nefario was a scammer, but after a week he apoligized and took it down
jcpham: that's what i mean forum scammer tags don't mean shit
jcpham: if you had on otc key
Chaang-Noi: grubles one i never had it, and even if i did, i would need the concent of the people before i passed that info on
grubles: the forum in general doesnt mean shit
jcpham: we'd have fucked it all up by now
mircea_popescu: grubles pumping pirate was something everyone except me did.
Chaang-Noi: anyway that finish guy claims to have sent me 100k usd with no escrow
mircea_popescu: you're late tagging giga, too, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: and whoever else, take your pick.
grubles: pumping in what way exactly?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2896 BTC [-]
grubles: vouching for him?
mircea_popescu: pumping is pumping.
Chaang-Noi: well people were saying i was helping pirate but i was really helping theymos, he asked for me to do it, to help his glbse stock price
dub: cee pee in the blockchain news dropped yet?
grubles: like penis pumping or what??
mircea_popescu: what, running his ppt is bad and that's it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8188 @ 0.00068748 = 5.6291 BTC [+]
jcpham: i was there in the btcst thread with Chaang-Noi
Chaang-Noi: yes dub its just links right? who cares :/
mircea_popescu: dub not yet
jcpham: theymos asked for an invite and no one referred him
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23001 BTC [+]
jcpham: so goat made a ppt
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 16 @ 0.23 = 3.68 BTC [-]
dub: Chaang-Noi: fox is gonna care
mircea_popescu: ya well they're not smart enough yet.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.29 = 7.74 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: jcpham i refured theymos, pirate just did not accept fast enough
jcpham: so should've referred theymos
jcpham: that's funny
Chaang-Noi: dub fox, muyhahahaha lol
jcpham: he didn't trust theymos then
grubles: referred theymos for what?
jcpham: because he responded pretty fast
grubles: a btcst acct?
jcpham: to me
Chaang-Noi: jcpham theymos asked me to refur him, i did, then theymos did not want to wait and asked for the ppt so i did
jcpham: ijs
dub: ;;ud refur
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=refur | simply to "fuck" normally used to refur to the anal region.
Chaang-Noi: yeah theymos asked me to get him a btcst account
jcpham: it is so funny
dub: was expecting greatness
jcpham: in retrospect
mircea_popescu: jcpham mostly to me but yeah.
Chaang-Noi: theymos wanted to pump his glbse stock and get dividends
Chaang-Noi: i was like fine
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.40002 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.400001 BTC [-]
jcpham: no one is legit.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.400001 BTC [-]
jcpham: no one.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.400001 = 0.8 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i still have the logs of the -onepercent doods getting all hot under their collar about it lol.
Chaang-Noi: then it went sideways and theymos did not do the right thing
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.400001 = 1.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi o, you did right ? it's just theymos' fault is all.
jcpham: except me. 129% legit
grubles: are you still after pirate legally Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang?
Chaang-Noi: fault for pirate? no
Chaang-Noi: but theymos did not do what was right in all of this.
grubles: i heard you had a "contract"
Chaang-Noi: grubles after the SEC come in my lawyer said to wait
mircea_popescu: i like this guy, he has the mentality of an asian prostitute.
jcpham: i got all sorts of logs and "contracts"
jcpham: i think pirate's irc nick was a team of people now
grubles: Chaang-Noi, wait what?
jcpham: irc was a team if you ask me
jcpham: not just a single person
mircea_popescu: hey, is my irc a team ?
grubles: i dunno
jcpham: don't think so based on your hours
grubles: jcpham
Chaang-Noi: the SEC was doing an investigation
Chaang-Noi: now they have witnesses lined up
grubles: jcpham, what makes you think it was more than one peep?
jcpham: hours
Chaang-Noi: tehy asked me to be one but i never responded.
jcpham: weird times i'd message him
grubles: Chaang-Noi, why not you dingus
jcpham: i may be wrong
jcpham: but especially towards the end
grubles: weird times like when
Chaang-Noi: grubles the SEC siad the ppt might not be safe, lol
jcpham: 2am?
grubles: 4 in the morning or something?
grubles: well shit ive been up way past that
Chaang-Noi: so why go in and tell them something so they can arrest my ass? lol
jcpham: point taken grubles
Chaang-Noi: even so im not a big fan of govt regulation
grubles: and tx is only an hour or two behind est
jcpham: mircea_popescu send -pr in here to talk shit
jcpham: i think i'll spot it she talk long enough
grubles: Chaang-Noi, why would they arrest you
grubles: i still think -pr is actually mircea
Chaang-Noi: they said ppt operaters might get some shit for doing that,
dub: some of the time it is
jcpham: tone is unmistakeable
dub: you can tell
mircea_popescu: dub problem is different people can tell different bits.
Chaang-Noi: grubles they wont arrest me but they might try to take my fiat
Chaang-Noi: honestly even so im not sure i would ahve talked to the SEC, im nota big fan of govt regulation
Chaang-Noi: and also it would ahve got nefario and theymos involved and well at the time did not think that was a good idea
Chaang-Noi: looking back, fuck theymos, lol
grubles: i thought you had 50,000 bitcoins invested with pirate
Chaang-Noi: lol no
grubles: i remember you boasting about it
Chaang-Noi: my account had close to 50k in it
grubles: #btcst
Chaang-Noi: but they were not all mine.
jcpham: Chaang-Noi you converted to a trust?
Chaang-Noi: but anyway even if i did the SEC thing and they did not fuck with me, think i would get anything back?
Chaang-Noi: i would have been a trust account if we got that far
mircea_popescu: no you wouldn't get anything back.
Chaang-Noi: but he shut down fist
Chaang-Noi: yeah mp so why go work for the govt?
jcpham: i never felt comfortable with other people's money
KRS-1: so I'm seeing a falling wedge which indicates an overall rising price
KRS-1: looking at 30 day
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi yeah.
jcpham: disclosure: i had funds of three toher people in-and-out
grubles: at the very least you could help send pirate to prison and/or help him get the shit fined out of him
Chaang-Noi: well i told people where it was going and they knew the rules, that is why no one called me a scammer
jcpham: everyone was repaid
jcpham: it's funny how downstream the lending went
jcpham: magical interest from defaltionary coins
dub: heheh
Chaang-Noi: pirate will get his once things calm down and the sec goes away, there are many many people after his ass...
mircea_popescu: i guess it's time to link that.
KRS-1: which is a reversal..
dub: defaultionary coins
grubles: tldr
grubles: am i the only fucking person doing anything about this
mircea_popescu: what are you doing ?
jcpham: probably
Chaang-Noi: no there are other witnesses working with the sec now
dub: hrm smaller AM div this week
jcpham: what would you like for me to do grubles
mircea_popescu: dub odd, didn't they get a lot from selling chips ?!
jcpham: call the sec about the 300principal, 1300 interest coins or so i lost
jcpham: that i gave to someone else and believe existed
dub: mircea_popescu: yeah, more hashing too
dub: 0.00735415 this week
Chaang-Noi: thing is im not so sure priate has much of anything left
grubles: so what dude
Chaang-Noi: my effort is trying to get my coins from mt gox from bitcoinica
jcpham: i don't care now i just want to kill him or hurt him
mircea_popescu: dub so what's the word ?
grubles: jcpham, lol
jcpham: money doesn't matter anymore
grubles: thats fucked up
dub: bird
jcpham: so
dub: is the word
Chaang-Noi: there are a lot of rich bitcoiners now who want to hurt pirate
jcpham: a lot of people should die
jcpham: not my problem
Chaang-Noi: im pretty sure one of them will do something sooner or alter
grubles: the dipshit doesnt realize i hosted btclending.com back in the day
jborkl: AM kept 2000 back for reinvestment upcoming
Chaang-Noi: but really pirate knows that, he much be a scarred pussy right now
mircea_popescu: "i'm sure someone else will put the work in sooner or later"
jcpham: if i see him i'll shoot at him
jcpham: for sure
jcpham: i'm not fond of liars
grubles: ive spoken with numerous guberment peeps
mircea_popescu: jborkl a they provisioned for the next batch ?
jcpham: and he got me good
grubles: specifically the collins county DA's office
jcpham: i'll shoot him in the foot for you then grubles
Chaang-Noi: grubles any of the govt people going to do anything?
jcpham: they can catch him limping
jborkl: yes.from what i understand next batch is funded
jcpham: or one of those rabbit traps with a carrot
grubles: lol dude you know itd be stupid for me to condone that shit in words on the gd internet
jcpham: and string
jcpham: yeah i'm just kidding
mircea_popescu: jborkl 2k coins is like 1/4 mn or w/e. pretty cool.
jcpham: i'd never advocate violence
jcpham: unless stole a lot of money from me by lying to me
grubles: i know but some people are stupid
Chaang-Noi: 15th is still on track says firedcat, fucking awesome
grubles: i had 1k btc as principal
jcpham: i'm osrry
jcpham: it's gone now
jborkl: massive USB stick miner release and upcoming orders i am guessing
grubles: 12-13k eventually over time
jcpham: fudge
grubles: well
Chaang-Noi: i lost my money with pirate but i did not lend more than i could lose, i realize how silly it was and well, lesson learned
grubles: it was paper money
Chaang-Noi: he is only about the 20th person who has scammed me
grubles: i probably withdrew way more than 1k over the course of btcst
jcpham: principal is all that existed
Chaang-Noi: grubles then if you took more than you got in the govt can take that from you
grubles: and that was back in $2 days
Chaang-Noi: just like the maddof pervz
grubles: if i took more than i got?
grubles: what does that mean
jcpham: i've walked away from because the only real money was on the blockchain
Chaang-Noi: if you make 1200 and lost 1000 the govt can and will take that 200 from you
jcpham: like all those paypal buys grubles
jcpham: i should be pissed at you
jcpham: for selling me nothing
jcpham: but i'm not
grubles: whatchu talkin bout
jcpham: does that make sense
mircea_popescu: grubles you never withdrew anything ?
Chaang-Noi: <grubles> i probably withdrew way more than 1k over the course of btcst
jcpham: like when i'd buy coins from your account
mircea_popescu: a ok. so then...
jcpham: and they'd get transferred to my
jcpham: account
Chaang-Noi: he took out more than he put in, and he is telling that to the govt, facepalm
jcpham: that was all fake
grubles: oh gotcha
grubles: jcpham,
jcpham: see what i mean?
grubles: yeah facepalm im being honest
jcpham: yeah
Chaang-Noi: are you willing to give that extra to the govt?
jcpham: so i've moved on now
grubles: unlike some peeps in here
jcpham: the principal and what existed on the blockchain is all that ever be proven
jcpham: anything else is imaginary pirate math
grubles: i suppose
Chaang-Noi: grubles do what you want but if pirate gets charged they will then go after people like you who made money on this and try to get it back, they did it to madoff
jcpham: you can see if you made money or not
jcpham: it's on the blockchain
mircea_popescu: methinks grubles didn't think this whole thing through
grubles: lol im 24 years old
jcpham: deposit address/withdrawal addres
jcpham: subtract the difference
mircea_popescu: there's a thing called clawback
grubles: right
mircea_popescu: if you deposited 1k, withdrew 1.15k and consider yourself a victim
grubles: trust me ive got it covered
Chaang-Noi: clawback, that is the word i was looking for
mircea_popescu: you're good for 150 btc * 100 = 15k
jcpham: i moved on because of that
mircea_popescu: or w/e the price ends up being
grubles: obv this shit is complicated
jcpham: according to the blockchain i lost
grubles: as we all know
Chaang-Noi: see people whgo lost money can sue you grubles for the money you made in civil court
grubles: ok so what is considered "lost money"
mircea_popescu: "A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs, and activities, and facilities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records."
jcpham: my definition is anything depostid not returned
Chaang-Noi: i thin this is why the govt is having such a hard time, cuz the govt wants to charge everyone involved (or take their money) so no one is helping them
mircea_popescu: dude back in my day i didn't have to claim i feel like a girl to hang out in the girls' locker room.
grubles: returned in what though
grubles: btc? usd?
grubles: "the govt" as in who exactly
grubles: SEC?
jcpham: blockchain
jcpham: btc
jcpham: funds went in via blockchain
grubles: the SEC is only concerned with bullshit investment opportunities
jcpham: they left via blockchain
jcpham: so they care about promised interest
grubles: as soon as pirate started attracting investors he started pissing in the wind
jcpham: good luck
Chaang-Noi: the SEC i think is being used to gather info, who will then p[ass it along to fbi and what not
Chaang-Noi: the sec does do that you knopwq,...
Chaang-Noi: well they do,
Chaang-Noi: they even told me that when they wanted me to be a witness
jcpham: my talks with pirate were about keeping coins off the market
Chaang-Noi: in the e-mail
grubles: p. moustakis, head attorney, submits info to a committee which then reviews it
jcpham: purposefully raising the price
jcpham: i should shut up
Chaang-Noi: grubles if you are claiming the sec never shares info with the fbi and other departments, i lulz at you
grubles: oh i dunno if they do or not
grubles: they probably do
Chaang-Noi: its a fact they do
jcpham: a still think any entity that can keep coins off of exchanges in an organized fashion is winning
mircea_popescu: this thread is pretty epic.
jcpham: hedge fund/pirate fund/ whatever
grubles: pirate spoke about a 'client' that fucked him over
grubles: probably bullshit
grubles: but
grubles: id like to know who that person it
grubles: i wish
mircea_popescu: [WTB] ASICMINER share call options
mircea_popescu: god almighty all these muppets.
grubles: whai
mircea_popescu: i think few people realise that the main brake to btc adoption is simply that people are too stupid.
mircea_popescu: all this "o 1mn dollah by xmas"
mircea_popescu: well... if a hundred million people didn't include ninetynine million and change idiots, maybe. as it is... nowai.
Chaang-Noi: grubles might it be that other ponzi umm wtf was it called...
Chaang-Noi: it went tits up same day
mircea_popescu: the irl one you mean ?
Chaang-Noi: fuck what was the name of it?
mircea_popescu: mmm something or the other.
Chaang-Noi: grubles did you ever hear of that other ponzi?
mircea_popescu: so many of those irl ;/
Chaang-Noi: they were paying out 1.5% a day
Chaang-Noi: pirates wife talked about it on twater
gribble: [WTB] Mail order bride
Chaang-Noi: and they went bust same day
Chaang-Noi: PS. I really get high every time I taste good water. Even yesterday EuroTrash though I was drunk (I wasn't).
grubles: something rewards
Chaang-Noi: he gets high on water?
Chaang-Noi: zeeks rewards
Chaang-Noi: that might have been his client
mircea_popescu: ya that!
Chaang-Noi: mp reads the posts i linked you to
Chaang-Noi: he gets drunk on "good water"
Chaang-Noi: hahahahaha
mircea_popescu: still the tortilla dude ?
mircea_popescu: he's pretty freaky.
Chaang-Noi: finland guy
jcpham: grubles i've interacted with a lot of bitcoiners as have you guys
Chaang-Noi: he says he is the forum troll now
mircea_popescu: "I have the actual ability to keep Bitcoin network and bitcoin price up indefinitely long"
jcpham: it's hard to imagine pirateat40 had some client
jcpham: we haven't found out about yet
Chaang-Noi: i think he is high or a good troll
jcpham: in bitcoin land
jcpham: that is
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.428 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi certainly a good troll.
mircea_popescu: maybe the best yet.
Chaang-Noi: well, he might be for real
Chaang-Noi: this might play well for selling silver in finland
Chaang-Noi: he might just be so out of it
mircea_popescu: that's always the hallmark of a good troll.
Chaang-Noi: well i think he might really be trying to be respected and be a playing, but everyone is laughing at him
Chaang-Noi: player
Chaang-Noi: im not so sure he knows what he is doing
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2879 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: go AM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00068748 = 5.053 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.2879 = 21.8943 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.288 = 12.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.288 = 12.88 BTC [+]
burnside2: got in just in time for divs
Chaang-Noi: i like has dividends
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i wonder if he now makes some posts going "O here I am the REAL rpietilla this other guy stole my identity
mircea_popescu: actually fuck that. some forum troll should do it.
mircea_popescu: where's atlas
Chaang-Noi: i wonder if people go to findland and no one is there
Chaang-Noi: bfl shipped wtf is this?
Chaang-Noi: more than just the small ones?
Chaang-Noi: burnside2 got the div thanks
burnside2: woot
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi link ?
Chaang-Noi: its not very full of info
Chaang-Noi: its why i asked here
Chaang-Noi: some people said something about emails as well
Chaang-Noi: i dont know...
dub: they emailed today
Chaang-Noi: what did they say?
dub: asking for confirmation of acceptance to the product changes
Chaang-Noi: well lol
Chaang-Noi: and if we so no we get a refund?
dub: yes, or if you ignore the email
mircea_popescu: haha cute
Chaang-Noi: if you ignor, you get refund? oh lol
Chaang-Noi: so much for them sending extra to make up for it
Chaang-Noi: i hope they get sued
dub: they are
mircea_popescu: they are getting ample sued.
mircea_popescu: which i find a little silly, i dunno wtf these people think they;ll do with the judgements.
mircea_popescu: but anyway.
dub: not sure how
Chaang-Noi: ill lol after the make this asll, then say we are getting sued cant ship.. then they mine and keep all btcs
dub: you either agree to accept the new terms and receive altered product
dub: or get refund
dub: I assume this is to avoid gettign sued
Chaang-Noi: can they force give you a refund like a year after you buy something?
mircea_popescu: dub plenty of cases of action.
dub: probably
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27 = 2.54 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: dub did they say when they would ship the bigger units?
dub: "Shipping of our BitForce SC ASIC miners has begun! "
inhies: but that probably doesnt count for the bitbet on the july date
inhies: since apparently we're basing the specs on the cancelled jalapeno specs?
mircea_popescu: inhies when was the june bet made ?
Chaang-Noi: "The Block Erupter USB sticks passed all the tests and we are about to produce them in quantity."
dub: thise are stupid
dub: those*
Chaang-Noi: but they will sell, and make my ass rich
inhies: mircea_popescu: the july bet was made 1 month 2 weeks ago (15-03-2013)
dub: inhies: todays email is the first notification I've had from BFL about power usage changes
Chaang-Noi: i need more hookers and blow, i only have enough cash for thenext 20 years
mircea_popescu: inhies rthey hadn't changed their spec midmarch yet had they ?
damientrog: Chaang-Noi, me too...
damientrog: life is so boring without silk roads now
Chaang-Noi: ha, i buy locally
Chaang-Noi: im not going to have drugs sent to thailand, hahaha
damientrog: ah you'd be crazy of course
damientrog: you just go to a pharmacy there
damientrog: and hookers...
damientrog: oh boy
damientrog: wish I were you hehe
Chaang-Noi: i wont lie, life is over all pretty damn good
inhies: mircea_popescu: im just referring to that thread where the specs that are used are apparently from 2012
mircea_popescu: well those were their specs.
mircea_popescu: afaik they changed them sometime late march ?
inhies: for a cancelled product
inhies: they arent shipping jalalpenos
dub: yes they are
mircea_popescu: or when did they actually change them
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 34 @ 0.0142 = 0.4828 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dub lol basically bfl has found the way to prevent being humiliated by nondelivery bets : create spec confusion.
Chaang-Noi: how did that difficulty 10 million bet work out?
dub: this is at the bottom of todays email
dub: Jalapenos Out the Door
dub: Packaged for its adventure to a new home. Bye Jalapeno! Your owner eagerly awaits your arrival.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.10475 = 0.2095 BTC [-]
dub: sounds like they're shipping japaenos
jcpham: anyone know who this is
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29 BTC [+]
jcpham: jonathan stacke operates this blog
mircea_popescu: jcpham is this the anti-foundation ?
Chaang-Noi: Difficulty 10,076,293 haha it went over, wow, damn close eh
jcpham: this name is not familiar
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2946 = 2.5892 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: john smith?
jcpham: nice blog
Chaang-Noi: iv heard it before
dub: inhies: sup?
inhies: dub: wat
inhies: oh the email thing
inhies: fair enough
inhies: i thoguth they werent making that product anymore
inhies: and it was replaced
inhies: but this could just be BFL being stupid woth words again, not sure
inhies: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
truff1es: wouldnt it be awesome to only need 3hrs sleep
SoulKhan: davinci sleep
SoulKhan: try it
SoulKhan: aka polyphasic sleep
dub: uberman schedule
truff1es: no 3 hrs a day
SoulKhan: yeah, also called uberman..
SoulKhan: I think uberman is a bit different
truff1es: could get so much done
SoulKhan: isn't that 6hours and then 30minutes?
truff1es: dunno only just found out about it
SoulKhan: what kind of work are you in?
truff1es: oh no
truff1es: gimme sec
SoulKhan: if it's something you wouldn't be able to take a 20 minute nap.. you'll never be able to sustain it
SoulKhan: ever 4 hours
mircea_popescu: i recall kramer did that.
damientrog: I like my 10 hours
truff1es: ok he might do the 3hrs multiple times a day
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10474 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.10475 = 0.9428 BTC [+]
truff1es: 10hrs half the day is gone almost
damientrog: his secret might be also a meth addiction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00069254 = 22.2998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00069722 = 10.4932 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8485 @ 0.00070278 = 5.9631 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00070373 = 1.0556 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7286 @ 0.0007057 = 5.1417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16967 @ 0.0007058 = 11.9753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00070625 = 6.1444 BTC [+]
damientrog: I like a good night's rest, 8-10 hours gone, but a clear mind the rest of the day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4109 @ 0.00070678 = 2.9042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00070991 = 2.1652 BTC [+]
truff1es: some people get older and require less sleep, not me
damientrog: how old are you?
damientrog: and do you have children?
truff1es: nope
damientrog: well once you get used to being woken up every couple of hours
damientrog: and I think it's when you're in your 50s or something you start to really decline in sleep
truff1es: i could survive any situation but i wont do it with a smile
damientrog: but I know a guy who practices microsleeps
truff1es: wtf for
damientrog: literally sleeps while waiting at traffic lights for example
damientrog: so he doesn't need to sleep at night
damientrog: to each his own
truff1es: he must have a pocket protector
damientrog: but when he does sleep at night, you really can't wake him up anymore
damientrog: that fucker puts his alarm clock at 5 am
damientrog: we were sharing a hotel room
truff1es: omg he's not gonna live long if he keeps that up
damientrog: guess who got woken up
damientrog: and pissed off
damientrog: I read a book about about Fatal familial insomnia
truff1es: i bet he'll finally give in and sleep for like 24hrs or something
damientrog: hen you really appreciate your sleep
damientrog: well he does function as a manager, busting other people's balls
damientrog: but it all seems unhealthy and kind of a bragging thing
truff1es: the body has limits
damientrog: I've done academia research and am a software developer. No way I will produce quality without 8 hrs sleep
damientrog: but probably could bust people's balls 24/7
truff1es: hahaha
truff1es: that was a nice jab
damientrog: kinda reminds of a bet they did on TV here
damientrog: the bet was if you could stay awake for 48hrs
damientrog: without nodding off
truff1es: i could do that!
Framedragger: just spent >= 4 hours tracking a bug in an open source library (though, oh yeah i'll shine) only to learn that i should use absolute paths when invoking it. #storyofmylife
damientrog: the guy who won cheated and admitted he took amphetamines
Framedragger: s/though/thought
truff1es: maybe with ease 5 years ago, now might have problems
truff1es: why cheat its only 48hrs!
damientrog: apparently it's not that easy
damientrog: you sleep a couple of mins without noticing
truff1es: Framedragger thats not a bad problem to have imo
truff1es: if u sit at a desk or couch might fall asleep sure
Framedragger: yeah could have been worse for sure :) still.. outcome much less epic than expected :(
damientrog: absolute paths don't sound fantastic though
Framedragger: first world problems iac i suppose heh
Framedragger: they don't, and there's a way around it, but i was simply testing out a library
Framedragger: (it's python. python can find its own system path of course etc. still... arrrgh)
damientrog: ah ok
damientrog: I absolutely hate the obligatory __self__ parameter in every method
damientrog: if I recall well
Framedragger: oh wait that's not it.. fuck
Framedragger: yeah, it's just 'self'
damientrog: indeed
Framedragger: it makes sense, but yeah i know
damientrog: everybody knows the explicit self
truff1es: im falling in love with python
truff1es: how often do u use it?
damientrog: any reason to prefer it to ruby?
damientrog: I've only used it 8 years ago or so
damientrog: but it's just another language
Framedragger: depends on domain
damientrog: I can't count the languages I use
Framedragger: it's awesome [biased python programmer]
damientrog: it's named after Monty Python, so there
damientrog: nothing beats that
Framedragger: i like certain metaprogramming aspects of ruby. ruby succeeds in being a more true 'wanna be lispian' kid as opposed to python
damientrog: that's true
Framedragger: and it works, it's really expressive
truff1es: ruby is foreign to me, i see what python can do
Framedragger: the |block| stuff
Framedragger: (i've written very few ruby lines, but yeah)
damientrog: those are closures
damientrog: I've got a lisp background too :)
Framedragger: are they actually called clojures? riight
damientrog: fucking parantheses till you die
damientrog: but brilliant language
Framedragger: i'm one of those who wishes to have had a lisp background.. now i'm only trying to slowly learn on my own :)
damientrog: I actually programmed in scheme more
truff1es: python just seems so well organized
truff1es: nice presentation
truff1es: and works right away
damientrog: I really appreciate the CS uni education I had
damientrog: we got Scheme, Lisp, Smalltalk, and bitfuck C
Framedragger: cool re: scheme
Framedragger: yeah python really gets the job done for many domains. e.g. it's real good for scientific computing (numpy, plotting, speed support from C implementations of the stuff that matters etc)
truff1es: exactly the stuff that matters in life
truff1es: whyd one need anything else
damientrog: my favorite project was to extend the language that our professor made (Pico)
Framedragger: well i'm veeery slowly getting into haskell. i'm all up for "fuck practical things, let's do category theory in programming!!11!"
damientrog: it's a functional lisp like language with a c-like syntax
damientrog: man you learn a lot then
truff1es: that too, i like practical
damientrog: I plastered my walls with all the code
damientrog: those were the days
Framedragger: i can only imagine. was it interpreted or actually compiled? writing compilers is a whole new level of brainfuck
damientrog: interpreted
Framedragger: though rabbit holes everywhere
damientrog: we had to write compilers too
damientrog: I've got my own language on my name too :)
damientrog: a declarative language
damientrog: pretty proud of that
truff1es: explain
damientrog: well we started a spin-off at university
Framedragger: nice :)
damientrog: the product was an engine that does format translations
damientrog: e.g. from one kind of xml to another or sql
damientrog: so you declare the semantics of you schema
Framedragger: ooh sounds delicious
damientrog: and you declared that in Ω-RIDL
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.46757, Best ask: 118.75851, Bid-ask spread: 0.29094, Last trade: 118.75851, 24 hour volume: 171386.05891753, 24 hour low: 104.00000, 24 hour high: 133.74990, 24 hour vwap: 117.82079
damientrog: so you actually explain in almost natural languages what the schemas mean
damientrog: and then an engine figures it all out
damientrog: and translates your data to any format it understands
damientrog: I wrote the prototype in Ruby
Framedragger: i've seen some ruby code that attempts to do those kinds of things i think. but if you ended up implementing a parser for such a thing, then truly awesome!
damientrog: that was slow as fuck
damientrog: wrote it in Java afterwards
damientrog: since it needed to be implemented in a service bus and platform independent
damientrog: and yes wrote a parser
damientrog: in sablecc if I recall correctly
Framedragger: is it a published / open source project / is there a repo?
damientrog: it's not open source
damientrog: but patent is public
Framedragger: just wondering :)
damientrog: and there are papers
damientrog: this is my real name
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.400001 BTC [-]
truff1es: i was just gonna say ure gonna be easy to find heh
damientrog: and it's a unique reference to only 1 person on this earth I think
Framedragger: [envy]
truff1es: (not searching just saying)
damientrog: I know
damientrog: mixed blessing
damientrog: at least my first name is pronouncable in English
damientrog: that matters more than you can imagine
truff1es: haha
Framedragger: "My research is centered around the development of a formalism for ontological commitments." - wait, ontological commitments as in analytic philosophy, or something something formal logic?
damientrog: formal logic
damientrog: but that's from long ago though
truff1es: ure putting philosophy into executeables omg
Framedragger: (the word 'ontological' has certain connotations for me.)
Framedragger: kk, i'm just randomly browsing through, have work to do, but bookmarking your page
damientrog: yes it does
truff1es: too advanced for me to read but pretty cool!
Framedragger: truff1es: alan turing :)
damientrog: but I'm not taking all the credit
damientrog: most of that shit I learned from my professor then
truff1es: turning test not that great imo
damientrog: main thing to learn is the difference between syntax and semantics
truff1es: let the robots wait another 50 yrs til im dead umk
Framedragger: alan turing basically invented the concept of modern computer and computation
Framedragger: turing test = shit, i agree though :P
damientrog: but he was gay so we basically made his life hell for it
Framedragger: UK made his life hell for it
damientrog: yeah just generalizing
Framedragger: poor guy. universal turing machine so awesome, life sucked balls
truff1es: sexuality has no business in educational setting..
damientrog: brilliant minds are rarely appreciated at their currenttime
Framedragger: sexuality has business in life :)
truff1es: if he's the best at it, why should it matter
truff1es: unless he was sexing on the job
damientrog: of course it shouldn't
Framedragger: omg so many layers of OT from #bitcoin-assets
Framedragger: he was arrested for it, etc.
truff1es: buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry
Framedragger: social stigma in UK unavoidable at the time, etc etc
damientrog: unless they start putting penises in the software
dub: ur an Operating Thetan?
damientrog: like I suspected a gay colleague to be doing
damientrog: or maybe it was me
damientrog: or he was screwing with my mind
truff1es: they could put penis in the machines
damientrog: he did UI design
Framedragger: lol thetan as in scientology?
damientrog: I was kind of a team lead
damientrog: and we all went yeah that looks good
damientrog: but then I said, but… it looks like a penis there
damientrog: damn it
truff1es: whoa scientology itc?
damientrog: and then they all saw the penis
damientrog: it's like being told, do you hear that squeeky noise?
damientrog: you never heard it before
damientrog: but since then
damientrog: you won't be able to get it out of your head
truff1es: sure will
damientrog: so he had to redesign a lot
Framedragger: dunno the context, but was probably hilarious + awkward
damientrog: well I found it hilarious
damientrog: I hope he did too
Framedragger: heh yeah you never know, that's the thing
damientrog: well we're still in touch, if I dare to express it like that
damientrog: as in, we still speak
damientrog: online
damientrog: so there's no resentment
truff1es: against the penis machine?
truff1es: im lost
damientrog: agaisnt me letting him redesign UI because I saw a penis in it
truff1es: "An Operating Thetan, then, is one who can handle things without having to use a body of physical means. "
damientrog: and telling him I wanted a UI that made me think of rainbows
truff1es: him being ?
damientrog: a gay guy that worked for my company
damientrog: also quite brilliant guy in UI
Framedragger: looks like it could have been nastier :)
damientrog: well he did explain some nasty shit
damientrog: sometimes
damientrog: guess that was my punishment then
damientrog: to hear what he sometimes got up to
truff1es: nerds tend to be gay, he shouldnt have felt the need to design that
truff1es: plenty of penis in the sea
damientrog: yes I have that suspicion as well, in the best research unit of uni 50% was gay
Framedragger: eh, i consider everybody to be on a sexuality continuum, but with very varying positions nonetheless ofc. but yeah no need to bring that stuff to workplace
truff1es: becoming gay from fear of women or lack of women?
Framedragger: or just being gay, cmon
damientrog: I don't mind, it's kind of interesting, but sometimes a bit too much detail
damientrog: spending a week on a gay cruise boat
damientrog: that's all I need to hear
damientrog: I don't need further details
truff1es: haha
truff1es: open work environment, easier ideas flow maybe
damientrog: some of the advice is also hilarious
damientrog: if you ever go to a dark room, whatever you do, don't touch the walls
damientrog: thanks for the advice mate
Framedragger: wait why?
Framedragger: or that's the point, wtf?
damientrog: I don't think they clean the walls a lot
damientrog: nuff said
damientrog: okay enough entertainment, gotta do some work
truff1es: nice to know people in the know, u know
Framedragger: likewise
truff1es: yea that was funny
Framedragger: yeah got updated on.. human affairs, can continue work
Chaang-Noi: 11,787.70 GH/s Wink
damientrog: where do I dump my coins to be promised I will get some of that?
mircea_popescu: so wait, they finally get to 12th in may ?
damientrog: my worst fear is being on the toilet when DHL delivers my Avalons
damientrog: and be just too late
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 12.4330791 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 414 satoshi per share
Uglux: Where are my dragons.....ehh 55TH ? :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00071 = 4.899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.29 = 6.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2949 = 3.8847 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.295 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.295 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.299 = 2.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 18 @ 0.010001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.26 = 0.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.10474 = 0.3142 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6411 @ 0.00071259 = 4.5684 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: data and stuff
BitHub: nice scarface suit
BitHub: not enough data, cant chart it :(
mircea_popescu: hehe. for bitcoinland that's TONS of data.
BitHub: i want to try running mpex data through sierra charts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00071 = 14.484 BTC [-]
KRS-1: B=============D~~
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 47 @ 0.10474 = 4.9228 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 14 @ 0.10475 = 1.4665 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00172 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.10478 = 0.7335 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.00173 = 0.0087 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 85 @ 0.001749 = 0.1487 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 26 @ 0.428 = 11.128 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.1064 = 2.128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15353 @ 0.00071 = 10.9006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4000 @ 0.00172499 = 6.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.471 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.46610099 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.4622 = 6.4708 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.461999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.469 = 0.938 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.26 = 0.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C110T] 1 @ 0.36168194 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.0054 = 0.0108 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0054 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1064 = 0.2128 BTC [+]
KRS-1: I'm getting emails from Mt. Cocks from Apr 25 for trades I made...its a little late.
dub: goxxed
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1064 = 0.3192 BTC [+]
KRS-1: mtgox did not create their SSL certificate correctly. If you go to www.mtgox.com you will get a cert error. They either did not buy a wildcard certificate or create the request using www.
KRS-1: no cause for concern though, the certificate is still okay, you can even remove the www from your URL and the error will go away. In either case your data exchange with them will still be encrypted.
Troic_: asciilife
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 41 @ 0.003623 = 0.1485 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.01442 = 0.0577 BTC [+]
MJR_: what up everyone
MJR_: joh3218
dub: make the next password start with a /
dub: (and a lot longer :)
dub: I think pirate and asicminer is a fair comparison really
dub: we know a lot more about pirate
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.298 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.014288 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 6 @ 0.0142 = 0.0852 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 9 @ 0.014 = 0.126 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.298 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00174 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 44 @ 0.001749 = 0.077 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.298 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 35 @ 0.010001 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1064 = 0.3192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 40 @ 0.00301 = 0.1204 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.298 = 2.596 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.3 = 2.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.31000003 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.3 = 6.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.299 = 2.598 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: here comes 100 :)
Chaang-Noi: sure hope that finish guy really sends me that fiat...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.27305 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.27304 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27303 = 2.5461 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.27302 = 2.546 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.273 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.269 = 6.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 1.2681 = 15.2172 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4601 BTC [-]
lippoper: ;;next
gribble: target: 127, 130, 136 | updated by OneFixt at May 1 2013, 19:37 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 41 seconds ago
lippoper: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 111.58999, Best ask: 111.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.41000, Last trade: 111.99999, 24 hour volume: 205521.58405264, 24 hour low: 104.00000, 24 hour high: 131.00000, 24 hour vwap: 116.42585
error4733: Bears are pretty inventive : Bear are pretty inventive
mircea_popescu: so mtgox getting raided huh.
ThickAsThieves: like as in authorities swooping into HQ?
error4733: check my link
lippoper: Zimbabwe is broke, so btc is broke
lippoper: nice link
error4733: haha
lippoper: cool story
error4733: is 100% bs
ThickAsThieves: zimbabwae thing is bs
ThickAsThieves: mt gox raided: "This topic has been moved to Trashcan. "
error4733: bear spread FUD :) bull spread BS ! hard time
lippoper: bulls raise prices, bears lower prices ! hard time already
lippoper: who has a positive earning strategy.py file?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.299 = 23.382 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
lippoper: (9:27:03 AM) ThickAsThieves: zimbabwae thing is bs
lippoper: (9:28:08 AM) error4733: bear spread FUD :) bull spread BS ! hard time
lippoper: I think error4733 called ThickAsThieves a BS spreading bull
mircea_popescu: everyone check that one out :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.3 = 24.7 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i am so impressed the forum will try and keep a lid on it. srsly now.
lippoper: LMAO
kakobrekla: that is fake
kakobrekla: the ireport thingy
ThickAsThieves: that ireport is a personal blog area
ThickAsThieves: not actually cnn
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin sachs is the same guy that posted the zimbab thing
kakobrekla: didnt know that
ThickAsThieves: that pic is off police looking at a map or something
ThickAsThieves: trying to find gox?
mircea_popescu: at the lag engine :D
ThickAsThieves: one cop has a frommers in hand or something
lippoper: it's from a movie
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00148 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0014 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: here's the image on some wordpress post from 2011
ThickAsThieves: others from 2009
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4600001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.46 = 4.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: seems legit.
error4733: i put a warning before "bear are inventive"
error4733: but a fking retard on bitcoin.fr put the zimbab news on front page...
error4733: priceless ! same when a friend post on facebook a onion link on first degre haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5189 @ 0.00071259 = 3.6976 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5868 @ 0.00071946 = 4.2218 BTC [+]
pgp2: fucking lag!
b0n1: omg i think the report thing on can caused the down at the moment
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00139 BTC [-]
b0n1: so crazy how easy the market can be influenced
b0n1: ...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.0011 = 0.011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.27012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2500 @ 0.00109 = 2.725 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.27011 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 242 @ 0.00108 = 0.2614 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26209 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.00108 = 0.0216 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i dont think those articles influenced much
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.26207 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 227 @ 0.00107 = 0.2429 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.262057 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.262046 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.262011 = 2.524 BTC [-]
b0n1: what do you think is the reason for the current down?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.262 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.254 = 3.762 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.253 = 2.506 BTC [-]
pgp2: brownian motion
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.010097 = 0.2524 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.252511 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: we are coming down because we went up too fast
error4733: definitly not the report but this... : http://blockchained.com/depth_mtgox_15d.png
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 105.92701, Best ask: 106.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07299, Last trade: 106.00000, 24 hour volume: 210750.82541399, 24 hour low: 104.00000, 24 hour high: 130.99990, 24 hour vwap: 116.05280
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 789 @ 0.010097 = 7.9665 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 189 @ 0.010098 = 1.9085 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01023 = 0.0409 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: actually there is more bad news out there than good
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 18 @ 0.01024 = 0.1843 BTC [+]
error4733: 99 please, the last one in btc history
thestringpuller: we need more reason to buy bitcoins but everyone is fucking up everywhere lol
b0n1: ;;goxdown
gribble: Error: "goxdown" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna go out on a limb and say 99 wont happen
error4733: order book can't lie :) 90 easy imo
ThickAsThieves: order book IS lies
error4733: shuut, i need cheap coin
Chaang-Noi: so i have a back up wallet, made from satoshi client, now i installed it and i dont see my coins, but they are on the block chain, what do?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00108 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 124 @ 0.00107 = 0.1327 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: Chaang-Noi run with -rescan
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.00105 = 0.0105 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 39 @ 0.00101 = 0.0394 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 26 @ 0.001 = 0.026 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: kako i thought so do so i went to the consol and it wont let me
mircea_popescu: what's "Wont let me" even mean
pgp2: lol
Chaang-Noi: 21:03:27
Chaang-Noi: Method not found (code -32601)
Chaang-Noi: or better yet, how do i "-rescan"
Chaang-Noi: cuz clearly im being dumb
kakobrekla: run bitcoind or -qt
kakobrekla: and pass -rescan as arg
kakobrekla: when you do
pgp2: I definately think we will test 100 and prolly go through... not that much coin on the bid...
Chaang-Noi: im in -qt now
kakobrekla: what do you have there windows?
Chaang-Noi: and i typed nothing else but -rescan in consol
kakobrekla: jesus
kakobrekla: close the -qt
kakobrekla: and edit the shortcut you have
kakobrekla: to the -qt
kakobrekla: so it says " -rescan"
kakobrekla: on the end of the filepath
kakobrekla: and run
Chaang-Noi: what program should i use to edit it?
Chaang-Noi: yes im very new to linux
kakobrekla: ah your on linux
pgp2: new two week low...
kakobrekla: run it from console then
kakobrekla: /home/user/.bitcoin/
ThickAsThieves: i see people moving up bids from 100 to 103
kakobrekla: or .bitcoin-qt
kakobrekla: its inthere
kakobrekla: then add -rescan on the end
error4733: ;;bids 100.5
gribble: There are currently 7838.7088 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.5 USD, worth 800450.060155 USD in total. | Data vintage: 106.3266 seconds
Chaang-Noi: no such file or directory :/
error4733: any idea why BTC E is more expensive than mtgox ?
mircea_popescu: #Nasdaq says it is investigating potentially erroneous trade in $WST. Looks like 1 went thru at $103.80 40 secs after open v current $65.10.
mircea_popescu: lmao. sucks for nasdaq
kakobrekla: Chaang-Noi
ThickAsThieves: cuz btc-e people dont wanna sell for less
error4733: 10$ spread 2 days ago
ThickAsThieves: ok cmon bounce!
thestringpuller: Holy shit
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when did the mtgox news hit?
pgp2: what news?
ThickAsThieves: gonna break 100 i guess
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.99990, Best ask: 100.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00010, Last trade: 100.00000, 24 hour volume: 224841.25107748, 24 hour low: 100.36000, 24 hour high: 130.85000, 24 hour vwap: 115.23849
pgp2: oh boy
pgp2: look out below!
Scrat: wtf
Scrat: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 27359138 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14657784.8124 USD in total. | Data vintage: 44.1781 seconds
Scrat: where r u bulls
davout: haha this is for real ?
mircea_popescu: i guess we know tomorrow :D
Scrat: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 98.00000
davout: oh god
pgp2: no real resistance until 90
davout: pgp2: hello!
thestringpuller: mtgox is fucked what the fuck do you people expect
thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu warned us BUT NO ONE LISTENS
Bugpowder: That japanese cop is reading a book about wine
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P098T] 1000 @ 0.3659749 = 365.9749 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i thought it was a fromthing
davout: oh, the catch is in the "ireport." part
Scrat: By BitCoinSachs | Posted 2013-5-1 下午4:22
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P101T] 1000 @ 0.39552257 = 395.5226 BTC
Scrat: this is the catch
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.P104T] 716 @ 0.42595915 = 304.9868 BTC
MJR_: FINRA has determined to cancel all trades in security West Pharmaceutical Services, Inc. (WST) at or above $69.59
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: 115.30
MJR_: ;)
thestringpuller: Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange may be responsible for the DDoS attacks
thestringpuller: dude this is ridiculous
pgp2: unbelieveable
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 96.21000, Best ask: 96.59033, Bid-ask spread: 0.38033, Last trade: 96.21000, 24 hour volume: 230568.96532113, 24 hour low: 97.00000, 24 hour high: 130.85000, 24 hour vwap: 114.82734
pgp2: either it's fake and will be excellent buying oportunity or it's true and BTC will go to 30
pgp2: or less
ThickAsThieves: pgp2 what are you referring to?
mircea_popescu: pgp2 indeed.
Scrat: it can still be fake and go to 30
Scrat: huehue
pgp2: ThickAsTheives; the ireport article
ThickAsThieves: you think this dip is cuz of that?
Scrat: ireport = sea of trolls
Scrat: take it for what it is
mircea_popescu: even the blind bat hits a pole once in a while
pgp2: indeed they do...
mircea_popescu: [Hiring/Intern] Asset Issuer, News Information Manager, Securities Analyst
mircea_popescu: usagi is hireing
ThickAsThieves: paying in silver shares?
ThickAsThieves: paying (already sold) silver shares?
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 104.00000, Best ask: 104.93269, Bid-ask spread: 0.93269, Last trade: 104.93269, 24 hour volume: 237138.69054080, 24 hour low: 96.21000, 24 hour high: 130.85000, 24 hour vwap: 114.35572
mircea_popescu: well paying may be a little iffy
mircea_popescu: but the hiring part is solid
mircea_popescu: </sarcasm>
MJR_: what is ireport?
mircea_popescu: random "do it yourself" cnn pagwe
MJR_: link to article?
MJR_: ...
MJR_: am i missing something?
error4733: cashout before tmrw !
MJR_: either the situation is exactly as is now...or it goes up
pgp2: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 127125.24 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 8980307.51995 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0060 seconds
pgp2: ;;asks 150
gribble: There are currently 55216.295 bitcoins offered at or under 150.0 USD, worth 7421517.62196 USD in total. | Data vintage: 18.2228 seconds
mircea_popescu: well no.
mircea_popescu: either it's exactly as now, or it goes up, or it goes down
mircea_popescu: jcpham yup
mircea_popescu: advanced stuff, but basically right.
Scrat: too bad that's talking about ATMs
jcpham: i like to apply concepts
Scrat: banks do have central DBs. and surprise surprise they are not eventually consistent
jcpham: but yes atms are boring
Scrat: why did he take the article down :p
mircea_popescu: Scrat it was more a historical look, which is accurate, and an in principle review, which also is accurate
mircea_popescu: hence why "reconcile" is a term of art in finance.
Scrat: I guess you can call a system like ACH eventually consistent
jcpham: is bitcoin the national currency of zimbabwe for real?
jcpham: i feel megatrolled
pgp2: megatrolled... yes...
lippoper: That's the new eveil main character from the new Transformers movie
lippoper: MegaTron vs MegaTroll
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.28 BTC [+]
MJR_: mircea_popescu: my only point was that whether zimbabwe switches to bitcoin or not, neither outcome in my mind is "bad" news
MJR_: so why would people sell?
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 94.00000, Best ask: 96.00000, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 94.00000, 24 hour volume: 247208.59898683, 24 hour low: 96.21000, 24 hour high: 130.60000, 24 hour vwap: 113.40334
MJR_: also, the camwhore is amazing
MJR_: great trader i guess
damientrog: why does cnn whore out its name and reputation like that?
MJR_: cnn is a whorish network
lippoper: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 95.00000, Best ask: 95.18595, Bid-ask spread: 0.18595, Last trade: 95.18595, 24 hour volume: 250934.34771713, 24 hour low: 94.00000, 24 hour high: 130.55000, 24 hour vwap: 113.12523
MJR_: you should see the clip from the boston bombing where wolf blitzer keeps saying "cnn is bringing this to you exclusively"
MJR_: and they were wrong
damientrog: how sick
MJR_: "we are the only ones reporting this!"
lippoper: CNN has managed to be worse than Fox
MJR_: which is hard to do
MJR_: now its all just a bunch of gimmicks
MJR_: look at our touch screen panel
MJR_: fuck that, i like journalism, read al jazeera
damientrog: I don't live in the US, so I sometimes can't even begin to imagine what it's like
damientrog: the news
MJR_: even russia today is better
damientrog: last times I watched tv in states it seemed unreal to me
damientrog: I cannot imagine being constantly in such a blizzard of shit
MJR_: yah
damientrog: no offence :)
MJR_: and now...sometimes i go to a site and they will say "we don't accept customers from your country"
damientrog: we're just a little behind here
MJR_: :( second class citizens
damientrog: you are not allowed to watch this video in your country
MJR_: yeah
mircea_popescu: MJR_ the post is about mtgox tho
MJR_: thank god for ssh tunnels and proxying
MJR_: zimbabwe accepting bitcoins is about mt gox?
mircea_popescu: that is your referwence. click the links.
MJR_: AHA
MJR_: someone gave me the wrong link
MJR_: i knew i was missing something
mircea_popescu: aanyway. fox news actually owned on the viewer cards for the bombing.
mircea_popescu: it's taking over.
MJR_: fox news makes me sad
damientrog: The movie idiocracy seems like a prophecy
lippoper: Want some big ass fries with that?
damientrog: EXTRA big ass friees :)
MJR_: yeah is idiocracy the opposite of meritocracy?
damientrog: the reign of the stupid vs the reign of those who have proven themselves
damientrog: lets check wordnet
mircea_popescu: @nntaleb 1h If someone you never met calls you "arrogant", it means he can't find anything else. Otherwise he would have said "wrong". Heuristic #81
mircea_popescu: gotta love taleb. im keeping this one.
damientrog: bleh meritocracy has no antonym there
mircea_popescu: allow me to interrupt for the gamer chick : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136750785890.jpg
damientrog: damn it
damientrog: there goes my last bit of cocnentration I had
mircea_popescu: you had cock netration ?
damientrog: see what you did
error4733: This is bitcoin, i belive he was missing ! high: 130.00 low: 91.11 55s lag
davout: mircea_popescu: nice management book
damientrog: and suddenly it went quieet
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.27 BTC [-]
tk993: How much disk space would I Need on a virtual machine dedicated to all things bitcoin? 25gb enough?
kakobrekla: should do for a while
Doffx: Depends on what operating system as well
tk993: Ubuntu
Doffx: windows you want to start at 25
Doffx: That will be pleanty of space then
tk993: Thanks.
mircea_popescu: tk993 the bitcoin blockchain is about 10gb atm and probably grow 10ish gb a year
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00332 = 0.0332 BTC [-]
imsaguy: "AMC is a business unit of VMC"
imsaguy: great, now who the hell is VMC?
ThickAsThieves: same people
ThickAsThieves: (person)
imsaguy: that's my point
mircea_popescu: imsaguy the usagi method.
mircea_popescu: it worked in the past, neh ?
jcpham: profit is boring 1:1 repayment
ThickAsThieves: that furuknap guy is the same one that thinks I should run TAT.ASICMINER with no mgmt fee
ThickAsThieves: well, he said something like .5% if divs at most
imsaguy: I can see certain instances where someone would expect someone to not take a management fee
imsaguy: say when they get a board seat that they normally wouldn't have
mircea_popescu: i don't see any case when anyone should do anything for free.
imsaguy: getting the board seat is the perk, not every payment is in currency
mircea_popescu: anyway, sent the girl on the asicminer dood
imsaguy: you should know that
ThickAsThieves: board seat is arguably valuable, and i have already stated any tangible board seat benefits would be split w shareholders
mircea_popescu: imsaguy maybe like that, tho it's always best to take a clear payment than an unclear one
imsaguy: getting a board seat is pretty clear ;-)
imsaguy: specify in the contract
imsaguy: it isn't rocket science
ThickAsThieves: it is in the contract
mircea_popescu: imsaguy it's value tho, how much btc ?
imsaguy: Not everything has an easily calculated value
imsaguy: for example, calculate the value of girl's life.
ThickAsThieves: surely he could come up with a minimum value
ThickAsThieves: starting at least with what he pays her
ThickAsThieves: to do her job
imsaguy: At the very least, the opportunity for insider trading
mircea_popescu: " Roll out the Red Carpet! You received 1 reply from a celebrity! Amazing! " << this klout thing is retarded.
ThickAsThieves: i played with klout a year or two ago
mircea_popescu: imsaguy so what, not like i'm payhing anyone in girl lives.
ThickAsThieves: total social media meta gaming to get you to social media more
imsaguy: hey deadterra
imsaguy: question for you when you're here
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yup absolutely.
davout: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 93.11000, Best ask: 94.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 94.00000, 24 hour volume: 274284.18541062, 24 hour low: 91.11000, 24 hour high: 129.75000, 24 hour vwap: 111.37083
ThickAsThieves: Namworld's gox alarm has been useful this week :)
imsaguy: heh
imsaguy: down to $91
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 92.00000, Best ask: 92.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 92.00000, 24 hour volume: 274284.18541062, 24 hour low: 91.11000, 24 hour high: 129.75000, 24 hour vwap: 111.37083
ThickAsThieves: next stop 85
ThickAsThieves: then maybe more panic and 80
ThickAsThieves: then keep your eye on that mega manipulation floor at 70
ThickAsThieves: if that disappears...
ThickAsThieves: imsaguy, DT is here ^
imsaguy: ThickAsThieves, the client is
imsaguy: don't know if DT is actively at the computer
ThickAsThieves: could also be a ghost
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.255 = 5.02 BTC [-]
mjr_1: ;;ud palin
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sarah%20palin | name='Description' property='og:description'> <meta content='sarah palin' property='og:title'> <meta content='summary' property='twitter:card'> <meta ...
mjr_1: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 96.01000, Best ask: 96.21999, Bid-ask spread: 0.20999, Last trade: 96.01000, 24 hour volume: 274720.80247070, 24 hour low: 91.11000, 24 hour high: 128.00000, 24 hour vwap: 110.65029
mjr_1: ;;later tell pgp just testing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.279 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.28 = 2.56 BTC [+]
tk993: Is there a way to view my private PGP key? Is there a reason to or is it just stored somewhere on the computer... mainly I want to make sure I exported my public key properly.
davout: gpg -a --export-secret-key
tk993: Thanks.
mircea_popescu: make sure however
mircea_popescu: you don't compromise it.
tk993: Header is private key block. for the other it is public key block? Are they different structures or how does it know? Or does it just know? Say for example I sent my public key and kept the headers of the private key... does that not matter because all the information is in the string of characters?
mircea_popescu: you could reverse them if you wanted
davout: gpg -a --export-secret-key | curl -X POST https://paymium.com/ <-- encrypts your key even more securely
mjr_1: lol
mjr_1: whats up davout
mircea_popescu: they should have used mpex.
davout: mjr_1: nothing much, chilling, having a brew, getting haxxed
mircea_popescu: in the butt
davout: using mpex in the butt, i wouldn't recommend it to friends
mircea_popescu: nono, you getting hacked in the butt
mjr_1: i don't recommend it
davout: yep, and likewise i wouldn't recommend it to friends
mjr_1: would you allow a non-bitcoin based business to ipo on mpex?
pgp2: ?
mjr_1: obviously they would raise bitcoins, but could convert to dollars
mircea_popescu: mjr_1 i think ing is in a position to ask me to make any exception it wants.
mjr_1: hehehe
mjr_1: voya, right?
mircea_popescu: voyacoin
deadweasel: Use existing demo practice patients to demonstrate Canadian content/results (TBD...Matt to decide if we want to add a Canadian patient)
deadweasel: Add logic to display Canadian content based on the URL
deadweasel: if demo.vetconnectplus.com display US-English content
deadweasel: US footer, phone numbers, email addresses, numeric codes in the patient list, etc
deadweasel: if demo.vetconnectplus.ca display CA-English content
mircea_popescu: lol hi mr mischan
deadweasel: god damn docking station
deadweasel: sorryh folkds
deadweasel: docking station switches my mouse buttons
mircea_popescu: in the butt ?
mircea_popescu: moar news.
pgp2: ridiculous story
mircea_popescu: no, because bitcoin.
b0n1: hello
Framedragger: lol re: story, more media exposure for bitcoin i guess
Framedragger: it is acknowledgement in a sense
davout: mircea_popescu: nice tits!
mircea_popescu: kinda small
davout: mircea_popescu: is that what she said?
mircea_popescu: hehe nah
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, when are you back online ?
mircea_popescu: hackers are getting bored.
davout: haha fuck off
mircea_popescu: there's like... new ruby 0days and whatnot, nowhere to use them
davout: well, coinbase
davout: bitfinex
davout: take your pîck
mircea_popescu: coinbase still egzists ?!
davout: we're trying to get xavier niel to make us some colocated space in his not-yet-opened atomic-bunker data center
mircea_popescu: better yet, give him shares
mircea_popescu: a wait, you're not listed. nm.
davout: he's already in line to chip in for our next round :)
mjr_1: so CNN iReport seems to be as accurate as CNN
mircea_popescu: a that's a good idea then
davout: probably the shortest successful investor pitch ever made
imsaguy: oh hey
mircea_popescu: 2mn ?! wow.
imsaguy: it seems AM is finally hitting their original target hashrate
imsaguy: only 2 months late
imsaguy: now they can hit their next goal of triple the original
imsaguy: ::eyeroll:
mircea_popescu: imsaguy when was it originally supposed to be 12th, march ?
ardeay: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 101.09942, Best ask: 102.40143, Bid-ask spread: 1.30201, Last trade: 103.15638, 24 hour volume: 286019.66613392, 24 hour low: 91.11000, 24 hour high: 127.00987, 24 hour vwap: 109.79778
imsaguy: mircea_popescu, to be honest, I don't remember the exact date at this point
mircea_popescu: me either
imsaguy: mircea_popescu, I'm surprised your girl passed on this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2006541#msg2006541
mircea_popescu: fucking hell with these people, everyone thinks it's funny to keep changing specs promises etc
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: there are no means to enforcing
imsaguy: well, there are
imsaguy: but nobody has taken it upon themselves to try
mircea_popescu: ;;google gpg contracts
gribble: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/gpg-contracts/>; GPG/PGP Basics - A.P. Lawrence SCO Unix Consultant: <http://aplawrence.com/Basics/gpg.html>; [Announce] GnuPG 1.4.13 released - GnuPG and GNUTLS Mailing List ...: <http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2012q4/000319.html>
mjr_1: 4 and a half years for insider trading \
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: your latest link was for a quote from a different user
imsaguy: earlier in the thread than the one I linked to
imsaguy: oh well
mircea_popescu: uya well apparently even her can't keep uo with the idiocy
imsaguy: I'm done trolling it
mjr_1: lol he made 72 million, got fined 4 million
imsaguy: its like goign into a church and trying to have a conversation
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.279 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "I'm truly glad you focus on red herrings, so why don't we make this discussion about accounting instead, then?"
mircea_popescu: red herring don't you know.
imsaguy: mjr_1: he also paid 4.5 years of his life
mircea_popescu: i tell you education is fucking perverse.
mircea_popescu: they keep teaching the peasants how to write, end result is the fucking internet.
imsaguy: is 4.5 years of your life worth 68M?
mircea_popescu: education should be either all the way or not at all. enough of this "literate but still clueless" bs.
mjr_1: lol, and depends on "to who"
truff1es: a human lives to 100 approx these days
mircea_popescu: imsaguy mpoe only took 1.5 and is like 100 or w/e
mjr_1: to me...i think i would go to jail for 4.5 years for 68 million, maybe
davout: 4.5 of surprise butsecks? not even for 21M BTC
mircea_popescu: why are you such a faghater.
mircea_popescu: isn't that illegal in teh republique ?
pgp2: lol
davout: lol no
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 16 @ 0.1064 = 1.7024 BTC [+]
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: since when do you have to be fag to enjoy butsecks?
imsaguy: because I know a bunch of girl fags
jborkl: poofter
davout: #bitcoin-anal is the place
mircea_popescu: imsaguy true that. i enjoy butt seks all the time, in the butt wrapped around my hard cock sense of the term
truff1es: <davout> 4.5 of surprise butsecks? not even for 21M BTC>>> its just a penis
imsaguy: truff1es, is it?
mircea_popescu: kinda yest news
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 101.97671, Best ask: 102.85000, Bid-ask spread: 0.87329, Last trade: 102.85000, 24 hour volume: 287472.57675907, 24 hour low: 91.11000, 24 hour high: 126.90000, 24 hour vwap: 109.62469
ThickAsThieves: they wanted to add bitcoin mining as a feature?
mircea_popescu: the amount of lieing about that shit is astounding.
ThickAsThieves: sounds more like, oh we kinda got caught, so lets kinda admit it
ThickAsThieves: maybe theyll also cure cancer
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves first it was just a day, then a week, then a tester w/o authorisation etc
jcpham: unauthorized getworks!
jcpham: cause you know they weren't using stratum
imsaguy: mircea_popescu: I give it a 5 on a 10 scale
mircea_popescu: show me you doing better
imsaguy: she repeats too much
imsaguy: its like listening to an american pop song
mircea_popescu: because she is talking to idiots.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2795 BTC [+]
truff1es: nothing gets the point across more than calling somone an idiot
imsaguy: whatever, idiot
mircea_popescu: anyone know exactly how keypoolrefill works ?
imsaguy: you have a pool of pregenerated, but nto displayed addresses maintained by bitcoind
mircea_popescu: yes but i mean cryptographically.
mircea_popescu: is there a limit to the size of the pool that you can refill safely ?
imsaguy: psh
imsaguy: some people keep pools of thousands
mircea_popescu: how exactly does it use the entropy or wtf does it do ?
imsaguy: ask in -dev?
imsaguy: or were you banned there too?
davout: it pregenerates the addies, so it eats entropy when you refill the pool
mircea_popescu: banned ?
davout: imsaguy: lol
mircea_popescu: im notp banned anywhere wtf.
mircea_popescu: davout what's the largest pool you ever refilled ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3482 @ 0.00071946 = 2.5052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 418 @ 0.00072562 = 0.3033 BTC [+]
davout: i usually have a 10k pool
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 21 @ 0.1064 = 2.2344 BTC [+]
davout: on user-facing services
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.107395 BTC [+]
davout: s/have/had/
mircea_popescu: did you run strength analysis on the keys or any soprt of cryptographic validation ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.107397 = 0.4296 BTC [+]
davout: no
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.108999 = 0.327 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: my main concern is that the code is probably shit and we'll end up with weak keys towards the end
mircea_popescu: fuck, "the end" may be anything over 6
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 50 @ 0.109 = 5.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.109996 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 22 @ 0.109997 = 2.4199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 139 @ 0.109998 = 15.2897 BTC [+]
davout: well, i don't know the code very well, but i think the address generation part probably relies on openssl
davout: which should behave fine
kakobrekla: i think that is correct
mircea_popescu: o, it's openssl ?
mircea_popescu: blessfully iirc that has no secret OPENSSL_CONFIG files needed.
mircea_popescu: otherwise we'd be in deep shit huh.
imsaguy: parts are based on openssl
imsaguy: but if you try to plug it into openssl, they fail
davout: if we don't have a proper spec by 1.0 i'm out :-)
davout: i'll switch to SpecCoin
mircea_popescu: davout there's no dispute that the neckbeard collective is going away.
Scrat: davout: it does, it never blocks and it is also seeded from /dev/urandom (which never blocks too)
mircea_popescu: so i wouldn't be too worried about that part.
kakobrekla: there isnt?
davout: a specification ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: meh i guess i have to have this part read.
davout: that would allow one to build a fully validating implementation ? nope
davout: because "it's complicated"
davout: because "oh, but some of openssl's bugs are now relied upon as features"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2795 BTC [+]
imsaguy: FEATURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mod6: lol
Framedragger: (first answ)
Framedragger: it's probably fine though..
Framedragger: might make sense to be curling some very long gutenberg ebook txt while generating though heh
Scrat: /dev/urandom uses sha1, if someone can preimage sha1 at will you're in deep doodoo
Scrat: sort of like the people who made gambling machines who used the mersenne twister
imsaguy: whenever my entropy pool is empty, I just pipe in 0
Scrat: which*
imsaguy: its just as good
Framedragger: lolz re: 0 :)
imsaguy: nobody would ever suspect 0 as a RNG seed.
mircea_popescu: i bet your passphrase is G0d
imsaguy: nope
Scrat: preimages are hard. even on md5
Framedragger: Scrat might be an interesting exercise heh, though yeah realistically, it's really fine
Framedragger: probably
Scrat: collisions are quadratically easier but useless for predicting future prng output
Scrat: IANAC (iana cryptographer)
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.014 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.1066 = 0.7462 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12045 @ 0.00071572 = 8.6208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9755 @ 0.00071057 = 6.9316 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 15 @ 0.01023 = 0.1535 BTC [-]
mjr_1: i was just discussing password length vs stupid @ symbol instead of a schemes
mjr_1: making passwords too difficult means i leave sticky note
mjr_1: 2FA or 12+ characters is better
truff1es: i memorize 12+ :)
truff1es: but still prob easy to hack if it is all lowercase right
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.26 = 0.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.31189999 BTC [+]
damientrog: after a shitty day friedcat made it all good by providing me with the tracking nr for my asicminer order
damientrog: now I want to make someone else's day shitty by gloating, and it's all good
truff1es: the day started off strong with laughter though
damientrog: yes yes
damientrog: but I still need to deliver some hardcore bugfixes
truff1es: well im almost immune from being jelly so go on
damientrog: clients up my ass
truff1es: then deliver on what client needs ldo
damientrog: I know it's not really a fantastic investment in terms of ROI, more a piece of bitcoin history
truff1es: sure seems like the nerdy/geeky thing to do if u have the funds
damientrog: or a worthless piece of shit in a couple of months
damientrog: but it brings joy to a nerd indeed
truff1es: im sure u could rework it into something worthwhile
mircea_popescu: so good for you.
damientrog: thanks MP
truff1es: like all of those how to make your internet faster tutorials heh
damientrog: that joy will switch to fear and panic trying get the thing working
damientrog: then regret
truff1es: no manual?
damientrog: and then back to baseline
damientrog: sure, but it doesn't look like it will be like a usb stick you plug in
damientrog: I'll need to mutilate a PSU to power it up
damientrog: I prefer software, you can always undo your fuckups
truff1es: u will have an expensive toy
damientrog: work hard, play hard :)
damientrog: but I'm gonna take a rest see you guys laters
truff1es: ok enjoy
taub: pop pop
taub: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 10.6201 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0212825614914 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU).
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 239 @ 0.1 = 23.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 250 @ 0.1 = 25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.105001 = 0.63 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.105 = 1.05 BTC [-]
pgp2: ok... so I've been examing the the gox depth messages... I just watched some guy add and remove thousands of .01 BTC quotes from $1 to $3 in $0.001 price increments, creating a shitload of lag doing it - fucking bullshit - why can't gox police their own fucking exchange!
inhies: because thats life
inhies: and thats how exchanges work
inhies: they dont need to police it
inhies: they need to be able to handle the load
Framedragger: yeah this is so fucking insane. it doesn't sound like blocking / restricting mircotrading is even difficult. wtf
Framedragger: any kid can basically manipulate market now
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C245T] 20 @ 0.05099501 = 1.0199 BTC
guruvan: they should charge for that kind of thing - plenty of real world exchanges do charge for cancellation of unfilled ordres
Framedragger: it's probably writtinen in rails all over the place, it could prob be 100 times as efficient :(
Framedragger: also: multiple exchanges / for different kinds of tradings - gox could block micro trades, others would fill the market. supply and demand, bitch
pgp2: yep - ECN's charge for excessive messaging
guruvan: gox should learn from them
Framedragger: the issue prob is that gox admins do not come from that kind of background..
Framedragger: and affects trading big time, grr
guruvan: no shit they don't - almost no one in bitcoin has come from anything other than a geek background
mircea_popescu: guruvan actually most everyone from finance is here.
mircea_popescu: i think geeks may be a minority on this chan
Scrat: im just a css kid
Framedragger: maybe that's why i started lurking here lol
Framedragger: (i'm just a geek kid too)
truff1es: forever alone
guruvan: oh yes - in this channel there might be a difference - lol hang out in any of the other ones ;)
guruvan: -assets doesn't lose it when BTC/"USD takes a shit - the freakout in other channels shows the truth
jcpham: freak outZ!
Framedragger: part of the freakout is obvs sarcastic / intended, but yeah still
truff1es: guruvan more circle jerking goes on itc than elsewhere too
guruvan: yeah - thank god for that - I had to leave other chans because I'm too "offtopic"
mircea_popescu: FREaK!!!
mircea_popescu: out with your tits out
mod6: heheh
mircea_popescu: o look, mod6 is alive
mod6: :]
mod6: was kinda sick earlier this week :/
mod6: thx.
mod6: omg and it /snowed/ again here yesterday, like wtf!? shit is getting old!
jcpham: mod6 god hates you
guruvan: fuck snow
mod6: haha jcpham
jcpham: he shits frozen water on you
guruvan: hopefully you don't measure your typical snowfall in FEET like we do here mod6 (or meters)
lippoper: 1.6k sell wall at 104
mod6: oh and jcpham, i did get an email about the other 1/2 of my coinabul order shipping yesterday.
mod6: So... apparently that's happening. Will give another update after I receive.
jcpham: nothing here
jcpham: 14 ounces
jcpham: no contact
jcpham: coingenuity gonna get bitchslapped
jcpham: :)
mod6: guruvan: well, typically we get a range. its not like mountain snowfall though. sometimes 1-2" sometimes 8-12"...
guruvan: I don't think I'd buy from them after the troubles I've seen
jcpham: guruvan u may be right
jcpham: i've seen and seen and seen too
guruvan: thank god for that mod6 - here I usually see 2-3 ft each snowfall
truff1es: mjr_1 is that some kind of seduction ?
guruvan: jcpham: not to mention that if he can't fill the order refunds come in fiat, not in the original paid BTC price
mod6: jcpham: ahh, hmm. i placed my orders on the 9th.. my slv one got here pretty quick. but the gld order took until yesterday to ship apparently.
mod6: not sure if the recent physical gld buying frenzy played a roll in that, or if it was the btc bubble pop that played a roll there. but 60 days i guess is my max limit.
jcpham: i placed my order around $250/ per btc
mod6: s/roll/role/
jcpham: which was some time ago
guruvan: hmm. yeah - I think I'll buy elsewhere
guruvan: when it's back to $25 a coin
guruvan: $250
mod6: My silver order was /pretty/ though.
mod6: So I was pretty happy with that.
mod6: I usually just pay cash at a local place around here, but when it was @ $260/btc ea. I thought, wth, give these guys a shot and see what happens.
guruvan: the BTC makes it so easy to want to do it that way - but. ...I know I certainly offer refunds to people in the currency they paid me (in the same amount as was paid)
mod6: Yeah, if I pay in BTC, I demand to be paid back in BTC.
mircea_popescu: The "encrypt wallet" feature in wxBitcoin and bitcoind 0.4.x before 0.4.1, and 0.5.0rc, does not properly interact with the deletion functionality of BSDDB, which allows context-dependent attackers to obtain unencrypted private keys from Bitcoin wallet files by bypassing the BSDDB interface and reading entries that are marked for deletion.
mod6: whoops lol
mircea_popescu: Unspecified vulnerability in bitcoind and Bitcoin-Qt before 0.4.7rc3, 0.5.x before 0.5.6rc3, 0.6.0.x before 0.6.0.9rc1, and 0.6.x before 0.6.3rc1 allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (process hang) via unknown behavior on a Bitcoin network.
mircea_popescu: pretty funnystuff
guruvan: mod6: IIRC he'll refund in BTC, after converting to the now current exchange rate. :P
mircea_popescu: The alert functionality in bitcoind and Bitcoin-Qt before 0.7.0 supports different character representations of the same signature data, but relies on a hash of this signature, which allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (resource consumption) via a valid modified signature for a circulating alert.
mod6: guruvan: yeah, I'm ok will refunds minus the fees, but not after a conversion to some fiat.
mod6: I'd probably negrate for stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: things one finds reading noob bashing :
mircea_popescu: for x in $(eval echo {1..10000})
mod6: It's like, hey, if I place an order, and something fucks up: i.e. can't get delivery, order is cancelled, I'd expect full refund of BTC, perhaps minus small fee.
mircea_popescu: you may be surprised.
mod6: But I value BTC pretty much higher than most other things that I could purchase with it, which is why I don't spend much of it.
mod6: well, aside from the trust level.
mod6: that's always an issue -- too many fucking scammarz.
mod6: but if i want to pay 2.3 magical swords for your warez, and you can't deliver, I expect to get my 2.3 magical swords back.
Framedragger: haha for echo.. sounds like a php kiddie trying to do bash scripting or sth
Framedragger: bitcoin CVEs yeah, it's funny when folks claim there've been no vulnerabilities
mod6: I've been crazy busy though trying to keep up with work and btc-land stuff. I made few line changes to the vwap & depth perl scripts for bitotter last-night. And I've been testing some changes to the trade script (bitotter.pl) for about 2 weeks, just making sure all works good before the next checkin with that.
mod6: As far as the android app, I've been working on the encryption stuff, which has been going ok -- did a bunch of code clean out etc.
mod6: smickles & thestringpuller signed up to help but they're too busy or w/e so I think I'm just back to on-my-own on that one.
mod6: I'm pretty excited because I think I finally am getting some sound changes in there for the encryption piece.
mod6: I looked through the APG and that thing is pretty awesome. But too bad it just can't do what we need for now. It'd be great if another droid app could just call enc() or dec(), shovel it some data and a key id and get back what you need, but it doesn't do that kidna thing yet.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29994 BTC [+]
mod6: So I'm on the roll-your-own type deal for now. Still fun to work on though when I have time.
mod6: Contracts that I'm doing now are pretty much teh sux.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.29995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.308 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3089 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1066 = 0.3198 BTC [+]
dub: ThickAsThieves: still buying AM?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.1099 = 2.198 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: dub, depends how the next few days ago
ThickAsThieves: i bought a lot
ThickAsThieves: and lined up more
ThickAsThieves: but if things go well
mod6: mircea_popescu: that girl making .9 BTC was awesome btw lol
ThickAsThieves: i will def be looking for more offmarket sellers
mod6: o and also, many lulz I had reading that one guy from finlands "open diary" or whatever the hell it is..
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 89 @ 0.1099 = 9.7811 BTC [+]
jcpham: mod6 he's serious
jcpham: he deleted all of my comments that were troll-worthy
jcpham: he means business about his supernode
mod6: HAHA
jcpham: so now after re-reading that thread
jcpham: i think i understand nothing of finnish culture
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.4804 = 7.206 BTC [+]
jcpham: language/ideas/whatever
mod6: that guy looks like Moby
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah srsly. awesome chick
mircea_popescu: jcpham i agree. the finns are pretty badass.
jcpham: now that i realize he is serious i feel confused about my own ideas
jcpham: his thread makes me feel like less of a man
mircea_popescu: aghaha what
mircea_popescu: water based engine
ThickAsThieves: they look kinda like horsies wagging their tails
mircea_popescu: uyou got it
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1099 = 0.4396 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: @CharlieShrem 55m WOW! 2.5% of ALL #Reddit #Gold was purchased via #Bitcoin Good work #Coinbase
mircea_popescu: um... 2.5% ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: can;t hurt.
Ukto: It was mostly done months ago.
Ukto: took 20 min to make it usable
jamborambo: so, how low do you think BTC will go this weekend?
Ukto: still have to enable the sorting, and categories
Ukto: $1's for a week I hope. ;) but not likely
jamborambo: i'm sort of thinking $60's. no?
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
kakobrekla: asks on the rise
pgp2: if it breaks ninety, we could see low 80's, but i think 90 will hold... for now
jamborambo: cool, where can you get those depth charts. are they free?
pgp2: that is a great chart, btw - I look at it all the time
kakobrekla: theres a bunch of charts on differenet sites
pgp2: orkaa has some nice ones
mircea_popescu: lol supernode
kakobrekla: moby lol
mircea_popescu: this is totally wagner v2.0
mod6: haha he looks insane with that silver suit on
mircea_popescu: all he needs to do is come out as gay. kinda hoping he will for great drama.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0135 = 0.135 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: maybe i should open a fractional supernode asset
ThickAsThieves: for the peasants
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 250 @ 0.1 = 25 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fractional supercock
mod6: haha
mod6: oh and moby apparently gave justin bieber a Casascius coin!?
mod6: why in the world would you give a fuckwit like JB any satoshi at all?
mircea_popescu: hiw about that
kakobrekla: saw dat
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
kakobrekla: i thought the bastards will hide up
pgp2: here come another slew of thousands of .01 bids < $3....
pgp2: ridiculously manipulative...
pgp2: can't they just shut this guy off...
kakobrekla: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 73.186028 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.14666398068 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
kakobrekla: o it works
pgp2: I have a pretty good idea of how this scam works on gox...
pgp2: it starts with the price about to break out one way or the other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 1,795.55981375 BTC to 50`000`000 shares, 3591 satoshi per share
jborkl: yeah!
pgp2: the perp gets into the trend with large market order, with a limit order further out to reverse.
pgp2: then stacks the book at the bottom to create lag, giving the impression that hugh market buy orders are coming in...
pgp2: others jump on the band wagon only to execute against his sell order
mircea_popescu: o hey nice, s.dice
Framedragger: has anybody tried this kind of thing on gox? it sounds really doable
pgp2: well it's certainly doable, but unethical
Framedragger: one could write up a PoC and send it over to gox saying, 'look you are shit, disable this kind of activity like that: a, b, c"
Framedragger: definitely
mircea_popescu: pgp2 let others fucking learn already to give up mommentum trading.
mircea_popescu: every fuckwit on the intenret is a daytrader nao
mircea_popescu: "o its ezzy man just follow eveeryone else"
kakobrekla: hey, if camwhores can do it i can too!
mod6: haha
pgp2: lol
davout: kakobrekla are your tits bigger?
mircea_popescu: this should be his stage name
mircea_popescu: Bits Tigger
davout: word
pgp2: excellent porn name
pgp2: has a certain... ring to it...
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: @danielleneftin 30 Apr At a BITCOIN millionaires house. Charlie shows me his new BITCOIN-vodka company which happens to be... http://instagram.com/p/Yu79a7Mtq2/
pgp2: ATM will be DOA - no market for this yet...
mircea_popescu: the chick is a Vice intern :D
mircea_popescu: pgp2 there'd be a huge market, but it's not something random bloke with fiddy bux can touch
pgp2: agreed - but this solution is too ambitious
pgp2: much easier for wallet company to team up with a bank to allow one way conversion of bitcoin to cash.
pgp2: with existing ATM around the world
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: problem is, bitcoin entrepreneur is a geek. doth not want to go out there and get a deal closed
mircea_popescu: wants to lock up in basement and write moar code nobody reads.
kakobrekla: hey im in 2nd floor
kakobrekla: cant go higer really
kakobrekla: if i want a roof
mircea_popescu: rates are overroofed. sky's the limit babeh
pgp2: the implementation is is too damn complicated - will only appeal to other geeks
Framedragger: um tbh one shouldn't link to cnn's ireport as a credible news source
optimator: mircea_popescu: i think you're projecting... basement... lock up....
mircea_popescu: now that can also be true
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1099 = 0.2198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00072562 = 6.3492 BTC [+]
optimator: thanks for the link to your architecture post - cool stuff
mircea_popescu: did the girl link you to something ?
mircea_popescu: well... my pleasure then :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.8801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00172 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 50 @ 0.1099 = 5.495 BTC [+]
jurov: !ticker btct bitvps
assbot: [BTCT:BITVPS] 1D: 0.001 / 0.00111 / 0.001749 (3539 shares, 3.9 BTC), 7D: 0.00072 / 0.00113 / 0.001887 (3858 shares, 4.4 BTC), 30D: 0.0002 / 0.00113 / 0.00479 (12199 shares, 13.8 BTC)
jurov: ;;calc 1000000*0.001749
gribble: 1749
jurov: meh. and no dividends
jurov: Marketing Strategy
jurov: We are featured on multiple renown services, such as Slush's Pool and clarkmoody.
jurov: Our main selling channel is by word of mouth from happy clients and bitcoin
jurov: websites listing services accepting Bitcoins.
jurov: It's not just you! http://bitvps.com looks down from here.
jurov: RIP bitvps
kakobrekla: but but happy customers
mircea_popescu: grubles was saying they're making decent dough earlier
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.233 = 0.932 BTC [-]
Namworld: We're in the red currently...
mircea_popescu: i was suspecting something like that.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: so is theymos doing an AMA old news yet?
mircea_popescu: jurov hardly means "not at all" you know
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu you should go troll mr. themyos
Namworld: We technically turn a profit, but we bought servers to colocate. So we're in the red until all expenses are paid off.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol. im sure there's gonna be plenty of people doing it
thestringpuller: No man you should see what he's saying.
thestringpuller: tl;dr "I'm a "bitcoin god" ama."
mircea_popescu: what another one ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is like the late roman empire, every time some dood farts there's a new god
mircea_popescu: anyway, who said : "The goys have proven the following theorem..." as the first sentence in his math lecture ?
thestringpuller: Uh none that I know of.
thestringpuller: Usually the first sentence in my lecture has been "DO THE HOMEWORK." *400 problems assigned go on the screen*
Namworld: All abandon the Bitcoin sinking ship!
jurov: that's like... there was a paper about proposed quantum computer architecture
jurov: that was supposed to compute all possible outcomes in many universes
jurov: and if the result is not correct, destroy the local universe
thestringpuller: wait what?
jurov: how that destroy part would be implemented, was left as "exercise to reader"
thestringpuller: is that a joke jurov?
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 107.14
mpexbot: thestringpuller: [21:37:49] <gribble> 107.14
jurov: !last
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068342 / 0.00070227 / 0.00072562 (259949 shares, 182.55 BTC), 7D: 0.00064 / 0.00070794 / 0.00076528 (2430366 shares, 1,720.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00063322 / 0.00069982 / 0.00076528 (10115131 shares, 7,078.83 BTC)
jurov: "assume an entire universe can be destroyed in O(1)"... mathematicians, ofc
jurov: coinbr right hand gives and left hand took away (referrals paid out and monthly fees levied)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9199 BTC [+]
dub: the jurov giveth and the jurov taketh away
Namworld: Anyone is holding lots of FTC? I'd like to short the fuck out of em.
dub: well its offical, I am rich
dub: rich with debt
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: gimme another question to ask theymos
dub: lawyer just emailed, I haz new house
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well the obvious q is when is he getting golden unicorn server for btctalk off the donation funds
ThickAsThieves: grats on the house dub
dub: ty
jurov: congrats, too
jurov: btw, i was just asked how my llc shall be named.. and i realized i dont know
jurov: obviously not coinbr, no such obvious connection shall be shown
thestringpuller: you should name it
ThickAsThieves: Pavlovian Enterprises
thestringpuller: Jurov and Associates, Consultancy LLC
jurov: that's too long. maybe Jurov&Ass.Co
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.299999 BTC [-]
jurov: why pavlovian? after the dogs?
mircea_popescu: lol jurov & ass.co
dub: how about big balls, small balls, any sized balls, ball bearing co
mircea_popescu: dub : hairy ball bearings co
mircea_popescu: John Q. Tumble, priproetor
ThickAsThieves: Lemmings International
jurov: BogoBalls LLC
HussyAssThieve: this shows promise
dub: Goxington Heavy Industries LLC
HussyAssThieve: Somewhat Hacked, Inc
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.305 = 2.61 BTC [+]
dub: Butterflay Labes
HussyAssThieve: MeltedWallet
jurov: Zhou&Gox Savings and Trust
HussyAssThieve: Where's Your Coin Now, Bitch?
ThickAsThieves: I like Butterfly Labias
jurov: lool
HussyAssThieve: Butternut Sploosh
ThickAsThieves: Cooler Than 1 Million Bitcoins
HussyAssThieve: Bitcoin Jesus Enterprises
pgp2: Dewey, Screwem & Howe, LLP
jurov: First Intergalactic
HussyAssThieve: More Fans & Nitrogen
HussyAssThieve: actually fan box llc might do just fine
HussyAssThieve: participate in ces 2014...
ThickAsThieves: NAT ROUTERS INC
jurov: hahaha... automatically eligible for mpex listing
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 20 @ 0.0017 = 0.034 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 77 @ 0.00167 = 0.1286 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 7 @ 0.003 = 0.021 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 43 @ 0.003 = 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000656 = 0.0066 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 150 @ 0.000655 = 0.0983 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000654 = 0.0065 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000652 = 0.0065 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.000644 = 0.0644 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000643 = 0.0064 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 191 @ 0.000641 = 0.1224 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i declare today mp&co appreciation day
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 40 @ 0.0029 = 0.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 88 @ 0.00281 = 0.2473 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: your claim might not reach further than this room tho
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.002809 = 0.2809 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.0028 = 0.14 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: but I will reserve it
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00266 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 72 @ 0.00262 = 0.1886 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: and celebrate with you
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 29 @ 0.00261 = 0.0757 BTC [-]
Framedragger: heh mircea, your dating 4chan site is interesting :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 232 @ 0.01022 = 2.371 BTC [-]
jurov: i'll prolly use "Last Financial&Consulting LLC"
jurov: lol First consulting LLC is taken by some bitch, just a month ago
dub: Next FC LLC
mircea_popescu: yeeh. 3rd of May! MP appreciation day!
jamborambo: hi guys, who do you think in this room has been into crypto-currency the longest?
jamborambo: okay, i guess that was a lame subject... i'm just bored waiting for the next fall.
mircea_popescu: nanotube
jamborambo: is he like a bitcoin guru? hehe
mircea_popescu: sort of. a few others around.
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone except imsaguy, he's a noob.
jamborambo: im a noob :(
jamborambo: i have my 10 coins at $90 USD. you think ill be able to buy them at that price?
ThickAsThieves: but you have them already
inhies: im only here because i found coins i forgot about
inhies: :D
ThickAsThieves: i'm only here cuz SR
nanotube: >_> <_<
jamborambo: are there any other bitcoin IRC channels?
jurov: and i'm only here cuz MP (to show some appreciation on this day)
nanotube: jamborambo: a couple hundred. :P
jurov: nanotube: gribble is on hundreds of channels?
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 105.79552, Best ask: 107.40755, Bid-ask spread: 1.61203, Last trade: 107.50000, 24 hour volume: 224799.97878543, 24 hour low: 91.11000, 24 hour high: 126.90000, 24 hour vwap: 106.76789
Diablo-D3: so whats with the selling panic?
mircea_popescu: so is rthis true ? did shtylman warn buddies so they bouight out bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: lol jurov
nanotube: jurov: well no, gribble is only on several dozen. :)
nanotube: but there exist hundreds
ThickAsThieves: mp, thats not really true
ThickAsThieves: while some people learned sooner than others
ThickAsThieves: the price didnt move THAT much
ThickAsThieves: Roman still allowed withdraws for a time
ThickAsThieves: and I thought he also allowed cash withdraws after halting
ThickAsThieves: that last part i cant confirm
ThickAsThieves: cuz i did get all my money out beforehand
ThickAsThieves: and didnt follow things much after
ThickAsThieves: its been closed for what 2 weeks?
mircea_popescu: people have gotten into this VERY nasty habit of pushing the truth
ThickAsThieves: probly too early to scream bloody murder
mircea_popescu: i don't recall it being that bad a couple years ago
ThickAsThieves: he has updates on the home page
ThickAsThieves: and some people here hold him in high esteem as aperson
ThickAsThieves: i dont know the guy at all
ThickAsThieves: just glad i got out early
ThickAsThieves: coincidentally i think the BTC/USD price was like exactly what is today when he closed
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 108.00001, Best ask: 108.95572, Bid-ask spread: 0.95571, Last trade: 108.00001, 24 hour volume: 225231.59405501, 24 hour low: 91.11000, 24 hour high: 126.90000, 24 hour vwap: 106.74646
benkay: moar crises plz
benkay: i want all btc
ThickAsThieves: give it a day
benkay: can we give gox a reprive also?
benkay: let them kick around in the market a bit longer
ThickAsThieves: just get into the API and bot up a few thousand fake orders
ThickAsThieves: thatll do the trick
benkay: reprive man reprieve
benkay: however it's spelled, i would like to take more advantage of them
ThickAsThieves: but thats what i was helping with
ThickAsThieves: give gozx a break by giving them a hard time
benkay: :eyeroll:
benkay: man also this atm crap
benkay: would love to hear about how these people plan to comply with aml/kyc
ThickAsThieves: does it take credit cards
ThickAsThieves: nice way to launder stolen ones if so
jurov: exactly same as cash ATM?
jamborambo: ;;bids 0 command
gribble: (bids [--under] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>.
jurov: ;;bids 0.1
gribble: There are currently 997413.16 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.1 USD, worth 16217440.6469 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0105 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.92 = 3.84 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: >Today the registration system will be opened, and I will be able to post a list of the delegates. If they want to stay anonymous, pseudonymous or the like, I will only post what I am allowed to. I will also disclose their principals. (You know, a delegate has to file a letter of attorney for every organization (s)he represents, to be considered a legal representative. Unless (s)he just represents him/herself.)
mircea_popescu: plz to link me again i seem to have lost it
jcpham: please go mircea_popescu
jcpham: invite the tiberius guy too
mircea_popescu: send all the forum trolls as "delegates" ?
jcpham: many pictures
mircea_popescu: or take a modelling agency along and just bother the geeks
jcpham: find out who's for real and fake for us
jcpham: i can't tell anymore
jcpham: a few minutes face to face should suffice
mircea_popescu: "Lastly, I have found it best to ignore the arrogant MP and his supposed PR person as they think they are so much better than rest of us. I have rarely seen him have anything positive to say about anything positive on this forum. If it's something that is already disparaging then he/she/they/it can usually jump on the band wagon in a positive way."
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, he
mircea_popescu: 's gonna be the forum piper
mircea_popescu: attract all idiots in one place
mircea_popescu: then we talk to kim to nuke it
jcpham: kim dotcom has nukes?
jcpham: amirite
mircea_popescu: his dong is a nuke
jcpham: if you arrived at my summit with a clan of ladies we'd take a break from the summit
jcpham: but whatever
jurov: volodya putin has it much closer
mircea_popescu: jurov ya but we're not ass close.
jurov: can prolly stage submarine accident
mircea_popescu: lol he'd do it too, nuke finland.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sadly not much material there ;/
kakobrekla: he keeps deleting shit
kakobrekla: sry, de-leeting
mircea_popescu: you know, it'd be almost worth it to become tyrant simply to make a special reservation of "nice people"
mircea_popescu: force everyone nice to move there
mircea_popescu: then watch them bore each other to death
mircea_popescu: o wait never mind, we have the united states already.
ThickAsThieves: we arent bored, we have TV!
mircea_popescu: and just in bierbier
jurov: SPRINGFIELD, MO, – May 2, 2013 – AMC today that it has declared a special dividend of .0000001 per share for it members.
jurov: ^^ bitfunder frontpage lulz
jurov: accidentally dividend
mircea_popescu: springfield mo!
error4733: ;;next
gribble: target: 100-104 | updated by OneFixt at May 2 2013, 22:15 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 1 hour, 21 minutes, and 16 seconds ago
ThickAsThieves: I'm interested to see how AM decides to handle this selling of USB miners
ThickAsThieves: only practical method I can think of is to have a flat price and first come, first served
mircea_popescu: they can make a killing
kakobrekla: those are made to rub it in bfls face?
ThickAsThieves: but if they auction they'd make more money
mircea_popescu: nah, sell off batches of 100 - 1000
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yup
mircea_popescu: or more practically, to kill their market.
ThickAsThieves: but they will get legions of poor people crying if they dont sell singles
mircea_popescu: notice that they only got the move on them once bfl actually started delivering
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure they were going to match whatever product bfl was shipping, if they started with singles same deal.
mircea_popescu: pretty decent business head somewhere in the am team.
mircea_popescu: and the "has issues" prize goes to...
kakobrekla: yes that is dog
mircea_popescu: also rikur promises to make further timetables and other proofs.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like it when people feel that a simple "dude, i suck, you're so much better than me" is not quite adequate
mircea_popescu: so they proceed to spell it out over thousands of words, add drawings...
mircea_popescu: really give out their time and energy to make the point.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.47110001 = 0.9422 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.46990001 = 0.9398 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.92 = 5.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15847 @ 0.00071634 = 11.3518 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00071634 = 4.7995 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Look at HIM go up
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.30469 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.3047 = 2.6094 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.30496 = 3.9149 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.30497 = 5.2199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.305 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.308888 = 11.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00172499 = 3.45 BTC [-]
taub: is this legit?
taub: i dont even know what coinlab does
taub: nothing as of yet it seems
toffoo: ouch .. looks pretty legit to me. troubles in paradise.
parseval: I'd rather keep MtGox than be forced to use a new inexperienced startup instead
thestringpuller: !ticker m S.BBET
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00172499 / 0.00172499 / 0.00172499 (6000 shares, 10.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00099999 / 0.00147326 / 0.00199994 (141310 shares, 208.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00079521 / 0.00158698 / 0.00199999 (253652 shares, 402.54 BTC)
kakobrekla: a friend of mine is waiting 100btc withdrawal from a aml verified account for 3 weeks now from gox
thestringpuller: so is Gox confirmed fractional reserve?
toffoo: that'll teach them to jump into bed with any new American start-up partners: no traction in 1 month = LAWSUIT! "talk to our lawyers" --'mericans
taub: tux is a bumbling idiot
taub: dont think anyone will do business with him, gox will die
taub: all you have to do is be trusted, and have lower fees
taub: and better software, and it's almost impossible to be worse
thestringpuller: taub: CampBX and other exchanges are already that
thestringpuller: why is no one moving money?
taub: liquidity I guess
taub: campbx isn't that much cheaper either
thestringpuller: taub: they've never been hacked
taub: yea but they don't have a big advantage over mtgox
taub: and they lack liquidity
thestringpuller: because big movers are trading on gox
taub: if i were to start an exchagne i'd run i at 0% for a month
thestringpuller: tell campbx that
thestringpuller: I live next to them
taub: or as long as it takes to become top 5 exchange
thestringpuller: literally
thestringpuller: if you really think this stuff will work I can pass the message directly
taub: they also have to revamp their site, it looks horrendous
taub: iframes, really?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.3089 BTC [+]
taub: well I imagine they don't make much money now, so if they think about forgoing fees as a marketing expenditure
Framedragger: i actually miss bitcoinica's type of web interface..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00071634 = 5.0502 BTC [-]
taub: part why btc24 was so popular was because the 0% fee policy
taub: maybe not a good long term business model, but a way to draw attention sure
thestringpuller: well then taub I don't know what to tell
ThickAsThieves: did you guys see the gox/coinlab thing?
thestringpuller: MtGox has monopoly
thestringpuller: by laziness
gribble: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
taub: yep seen it
thestringpuller: Isn't gox about to be shutdown?
thestringpuller: ;;goxlag
gribble: MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).
ThickAsThieves: why would gox be shut down
Bugpowder: coinlab
Bugpowder: what fucking scammers
ThickAsThieves: thats what i was thinking
ThickAsThieves: probly their intention all along
Bugpowder: I fucking called this day one
ThickAsThieves: "he we can always sue em""
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.31979 = 0.6396 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.31979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.31979 = 0.6396 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: and now people are boo-hooing in bit-anal
Ukto: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.31989998 = 0.6398 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.31989999 = 0.6398 BTC [+]
Ukto: sounds like coinlab made an epic fail once again, and is trying to pin it on gox to extort them.
taub: why?
taub: the lawsuit sure makes it sound like they have some valid complaints
ThickAsThieves: does it mention dates that gox committed to and missed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.31979 = 0.9594 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: and whther ther contract had stipulations for what to do in that event?
ThickAsThieves: id coinlab meet their own obligations?
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu apparently http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-966426 is false
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: of course thats false, we all knew that
error4733: is false ?
error4733: wtf i sold all :/
ThickAsThieves: i assume yer joking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4711 = 0.9422 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: taub of course it does
Bugpowder: IANAL but my wife is
Bugpowder: I haven't asked her, but I suspect this suit will be dismissed immediately in summary judgement
Bugpowder: LOL CoinLaboffered its credibility, market insights, relationships with established banks and investors, and intellectual property and agreed to manage and market the exchange services in North America
Bugpowder: What credibility?
ThickAsThieves: this whle thing makes the bitcoind foundation look silly too
Bugpowder: I will ask my wife about this
dub: man
dub: this is some funny
dub: Mark currently serves as CEO of Mt.Gox, one of the oldest Bitcoin businesses in operation today. He is the mastermind who created the current trade engine and the multi-currency platform for Mt.Gox.
OneFixt: Bugpowder: awesome, please let us know and ping me =)
Bugpowder: Also sent to a friend at Durie Tangri
tiberiusiv: what happend to coinlab
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.31987 = 0.6397 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Scam
ThickAsThieves: they got sad that gox wised up
tiberiusiv: explain thickasthieves
Bugpowder: They ran out of money and figured suing Gox was less painful than a down round
tiberiusiv: peter vessennes had shady eyes
Bugpowder: what a bunch of dipshit
Bugpowder: wear a fucking suit if you are going to handle $100M, OK
tiberiusiv: the eyes always give it away
tiberiusiv: bugpowder ?
Bugpowder: it was more than the eyes, it was the clothes, the typos on the website, etc etc
Bugpowder: probably blew a quarter of the funding up his nose
tiberiusiv: he had a walmart suit on like mircea
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.308888 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: doing 100mil deals but cant spend the 1500 for a tailored suit.
tiberiusiv: voorhees paid out quite a huge dividend
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.31989999 BTC [+]
taub: where is Peter
Bugpowder: tiberiusiv: What is relevant is the satoshi per share
Bugpowder: many more shares on MPEX than a few months ago
OneFixt: staaaaahap fufck
OneFixt: lol
Bugpowder: IIRC the original photo in the CoinLab announcement story was him and the other guy at a club
OneFixt: wrong channel ;)
Bugpowder: hmmm
Bugpowder: I think I should pull my $81 bid
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [+]
OneFixt: looks like a bounce off the 97 support
Bugpowder: we are going to fucking tank
tiberiusiv: i dont think so
tiberiusiv: there really isnt much coins on the ask size
tiberiusiv: bad news always comes out AFTER the market already tanked
tiberiusiv: remember we are down alot from $266
Bugpowder: tiberiusiv: the ask side coins are at an all time high, what are you smoking?
tiberiusiv: theres like nothing up until 140-150
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: also that relationship is usually reverse
Bugpowder: well I moved my 82 bid down to 76
tiberiusiv: look at bid size
tiberiusiv: at the 200's
tiberiusiv: it was at record too
ThickAsThieves: gox login is not responding for me
Bugpowder: AsK size
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.26167 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: mtgox.com/login
Bugpowder: that works
tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
Bugpowder: tiberiusiv: I think you might be colorblind
gribble: There are currently 140374.12 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 9953163.58318 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0060 seconds
ThickAsThieves: you rock thx
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
gribble: There are currently 130084.86 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 19759880.577 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.0111 seconds
Bugpowder: This one is going to be VIOLENT
Bugpowder: also, no new cash in gox till Tuesday due to bank holiday.
tiberiusiv: order books arent really that great predictors
tiberiusiv: huge bad news usually signals a bottom imo
tiberiusiv: high level of negativity
ThickAsThieves: orderbooks are just one more datapoint
ThickAsThieves: tib agreed with me
ThickAsThieves: i deserve a cookie
Bugpowder: Just wait till 6 confirms
tiberiusiv: i see barely any coins even up to 110
tiberiusiv: lol bugpowder
Bugpowder: Seriously
Bugpowder: this news hit reddit 1 hour ago
tiberiusiv: shit like that is already priced in
tiberiusiv: lol 1 hour is so old
Bugpowder: no its really not
ThickAsThieves: tib theres something you are not considering
Bugpowder: it takes 1 hour to get fresh coins onto gox
tiberiusiv: what news ?
Bugpowder: the lawsuit
ThickAsThieves: when speculators see a reason to go in one direction
tiberiusiv: bugpowder right but others would have already pulled their bids.
ThickAsThieves: they love to go all in
ThickAsThieves: in the direction
Bugpowder: tiberiusiv: I moved mine down
tiberiusiv: in anticipation of the so called new coins selling
tiberiusiv: bugpowder case and point.
tiberiusiv: its already priced in.
ThickAsThieves: we'll see i guess
tiberiusiv: the move already occured.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.28 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: tiberiusiv: thats how it looks when people are market selling in the crahs
tiberiusiv: where do you see huge asks building?
tiberiusiv: the market has already reacted to the news
Bugpowder: let me show you a screenshot
tiberiusiv: if the price goes down its because of overall negativity vs some irrelevant news event
Bugpowder: This is what it looks like when you are about to hit the bottom.
tiberiusiv: it looks like that now
Bugpowder: no it doesn;t
Bugpowder: not YET
tiberiusiv: and that was massive capitulation
tiberiusiv: events like that are VERY rare
tiberiusiv: they usually occur after major run ups
tiberiusiv: bottoms like that
Bugpowder: Anyway we will see
Bugpowder: no point in arguing about it.
tiberiusiv: why does vassenes matter anyway
ThickAsThieves: tib it can easily be argued that we are at the end of bubble just like the last one
ThickAsThieves: only more compressed
ThickAsThieves: but we can still bottom lower
ThickAsThieves: or whatever
Bugpowder: THe contract
ThickAsThieves: much more interesting than the lawsuit doc surely
tiberiusiv: i really doubt 50 is ever seen again in bitcoin
tiberiusiv: outside of a actual systematic failure
tiberiusiv: where it goes to 0
tiberiusiv: i dont think the price goes anywhere which is what i said 2 weeks ago
ThickAsThieves: maybe not 50
ThickAsThieves: there is a massive one-man support floor at 70
maximian: Peter Vessenes: "I want to do what's right for bitcoin!" <launches $75M lawsuit against largest exchange>
tiberiusiv: why didnt mtgox follow through
ThickAsThieves: which this whole bubble is propped up on
tiberiusiv: mtgox dotn have 75mil to pay lol
ThickAsThieves: they wont need to pay
tiberiusiv: obviously
tiberiusiv: that case wont last in a US court
ThickAsThieves: CL just wants a settlement to go awaya
tiberiusiv: but why did they break contract
ThickAsThieves: maybe Gox feels CL broke
ThickAsThieves: and rather than suing simply said fuck it
tiberiusiv: ive always stated nerds are horrible horrible people
tiberiusiv: that should stay away from business
tiberiusiv: and stick to coding and other mundane tasks
tiberiusiv: they just have 0 integrity and always a chip on their shoulders
tiberiusiv: wonder where he came up with 75mil
tiberiusiv: mtgox isnt even worth that
ThickAsThieves: Coinlab makes some pretty risky revenue commitments in here
tiberiusiv: 310k a year?
maximian: yeah $75 is outrageous, but that's usual when filing a claim
dub: tux is french
ThickAsThieves: ot 110% of actual
ThickAsThieves: whichever is greater
dub: he probbly just couldnt be bothered
tiberiusiv: um those revenue commitments are tiny
tiberiusiv: cavirtex could meet year 10
ThickAsThieves: like i said
dub: too busy eating garlic and chasing hairy women
ThickAsThieves: or 110% of actual rev
ThickAsThieves: whichever is greater
tiberiusiv: thickasthieves can you read?
tiberiusiv: 110% of the previous year.
ThickAsThieves: that means they cant have two bad years
tiberiusiv: he has to grow minimum 10% a year
ThickAsThieves: at any revenue total
tiberiusiv: revenue is NOT profit.
tiberiusiv: be quiet
ThickAsThieves: $50m damage limit
tiberiusiv: those revenue projections are very very low
tiberiusiv: a betting parlor in a 50k population town can do 30k a month
ThickAsThieves: so you'd sign a contract that required you to make 110% every year for 10 years?
tiberiusiv: not 110%
tiberiusiv: can you learn to read?
ThickAsThieves: you know what i meant
ThickAsThieves: you had to go and turn into a fuckface again
tiberiusiv: yea i would
tiberiusiv: the MINIMUM is so low
tiberiusiv: 310k year 1, 341k year 2
tiberiusiv: if the 110% is GREATER that means that one applies.
tiberiusiv: those minimums are so damn low
ThickAsThieves: the minimum is raised to actual revenue
tiberiusiv: dude shut up
tiberiusiv: the minimum is 341.
tiberiusiv: on year 2
tiberiusiv: if the 110% is higher that one applies
tiberiusiv: but the absolute MIN is 341
tiberiusiv: no wonder you are poor lol
tiberiusiv: cant read a basic document
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.3088 = 3.9264 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.308888 = 14.3978 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.309 = 3.927 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.309999 = 17.03 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: bugpowder: markets dont really respond to external events other then for very short time periods
Namworld: I think I'm going to start buying options, if anyone wants to sell either call or puts. Seems the MPEx bot is asking for way too much.
dub: ;;bids 0
gribble: There are currently 27346002 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 15756343.4933 USD in total. | Data vintage: 102.9880 seconds
tiberiusiv: lol namworld
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 1000
gribble: There are currently 182080.75 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 35457841.568 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0105 seconds
ThickAsThieves: Nam I have a few misc Puts up for sale, at 143 and 161
ThickAsThieves: nothing major
ThickAsThieves: but probly cheaper than bot
tiberiusiv: thickasthieves how do you plan on paying out
tiberiusiv: when you are short selling put options
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.47997 = 1.4399 BTC [+]
Namworld: myeah, your puts are still way too expensive
Namworld: like the best calls have breakeven points over 140 USD/BTC and best puts have breakeven points under 77 USD/BTC
Namworld: Too expensive to me
taub: the risk/reward in writing the options is really bad :s
taub: mp basically turned off his bot
taub: don't blame him, really
Namworld: at the rate currently asked, the risk/reward is really good...
Namworld: In my opinion
taub: oh! okay yea
Namworld: Prior to that, it was bad...
taub: but like betting 1btc to maybe make 0.1 on some options
Namworld: maybe there's a better inbetween to be found...
taub: i guess it can work, but the model he has running isn't very good
ThickAsThieves: i agree Nam, I think the bot algo could be fine tuned
ThickAsThieves: it leaves money on the table to be as timid as it is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but we are biased too
ThickAsThieves: what kind of breakeven are you looking for on calls?
Namworld: sheesh... not sure I'd want any calls right now...
ThickAsThieves: oh you mentioned calls earlier
Namworld: yeah, if there was a really good deal...
Namworld: I might bite
ThickAsThieves: the month is young
Bugpowder: See,… the bitcoin ATM guy knew enough to wear a suit.
joecool: not like MT sitting on inflatable balls like a seal or smthn
joecool: polo/jeans
joecool: with pizza sauce all up in it
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.3 = 2.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.3199 = 3.9597 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.23501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.235 = 0.47 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.23 = 1.15 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: waiting on that sell off bugpowder
tiberiusiv: its been more then 1hour
tiberiusiv: 6 confirms
tiberiusiv: if markets worked like that everyone would be rich
ThickAsThieves: 4 confs btw
ThickAsThieves: i sent btc to gox
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 40 @ 0.00339 = 0.1356 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so there's your time reference in confs
tiberiusiv: the market reaction already occured to the news
tiberiusiv: and nothong happend lol
Bugpowder: wife says CoinLab's general counsel is a pretty famous and good contingency firm
tiberiusiv: theres absolutely 0 emperical evidence that news drives markets
tiberiusiv: only amateurs believe news matters
Bugpowder: And there is no way to clearly evaluate it this early in the process
tiberiusiv: yes there is.
tiberiusiv: we have 300 years of markets
ThickAsThieves: did she also see the contract
tiberiusiv: im trying to dig you up the website
tiberiusiv: i want you to read
tiberiusiv: but i cant find it
testypesty: yeah, so if paypal & ebay announced in the news today it's taking on BTC, that wouldnt matter?
tiberiusiv: its like a 3min video disproving
tiberiusiv: testypesty: nope.
tiberiusiv: btc would still not surpass 266.
tiberiusiv: hence why paypal ceo talked about bitcoin but the price is 30% lower then when he spoke.
testypesty: why 266?
tiberiusiv: if crowd psycology is heading towards a direction
tiberiusiv: nothing else matters
tiberiusiv: all that would occur would be a short term spike
Bugpowder: Yes she saw it
tiberiusiv: IF the general trend is down its down.
ThickAsThieves: is it difficult to get an international suit like this to work?
ThickAsThieves: or can gox just kick it around
tiberiusiv: no its easy
tiberiusiv: gox is in a AAA jurisdiction
tiberiusiv: if you were in romania you can ignore it
tiberiusiv: hence why mircea is there
tiberiusiv: mircea isnt stupid. he sits in an area where hes 100% sheltered
tiberiusiv: mtgox is not sheltered in japan especially when their assets are in US banks
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.31899 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: Mircera is going to have a blogasm when he wakes up
tiberiusiv: mtgox will not be liable for 75 million
tiberiusiv: maybe $2500
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.10899 = 1.0899 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: i mean where does vessennes even get that 75mil number from
tiberiusiv: coinlab is worth 75 dollars
inhies: man
inhies: screw bitcoin
inhies: its iron man night
mod6: u no like cheap prices?
inhies: cheap?
inhies: its been cheap for months
tiberiusiv: mod6 dont be a cheerleader
inhies: JUST YOU WAIT
mod6: keke
tiberiusiv: theres nothing cheap about bitcoin @ 100
inhies: tiberiusiv: mod6 just bought in so she's trying to drum the price back up to at least break even
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.014 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 90 @ 0.014 = 1.26 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: lol inhies
tiberiusiv: exactly
dub: I read inhies ans inhales
ThickAsThieves: yeah, whats an inhies?
tiberiusiv: mod6 is a woman?
inhies: inheis is an inh
inhies: with an ies on the end
inhies: kind of like pants and panties
tiberiusiv: a woman in here is rarer then thickasthieves having money
inhies: ...or something
inhies: i guess im trying to say, im panties
inhies: im inh on otc, as soon as i dig that keypair off my old hdd :3
inhies: until then, dont beleive a word i say
taub: ;;bids 70
gribble: There are currently 88672.613 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 7038561.94509 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0060 seconds
dub: ;;getrating inh
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User inh, rated since Thu May 12 17:15:32 2011. Cumulative rating 19, from 11 total ratings. Received ratings: 10 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=inh
tiberiusiv: coinlab failing is excellent news for bitcoin
tiberiusiv: bullish event imo
tiberiusiv: peter vessennes and co are permanently out of the picture now
taub: its not like they've been relevant anyway
tiberiusiv: i know
dub: don't you have to do somethign first in order to fail?
taub: lol yes
dub: what did they fail at? nothing
tiberiusiv: yea but now hes completely out
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 15 @ 0.185 = 2.775 BTC [+]
taub: right
tiberiusiv: his reputation will be too damaged
tiberiusiv: for anyone to do business with him in the future
dub: maybe pretending to have an HPC/mining platform
tiberiusiv: and damage btc infrastructure
dub: they didn't fail at that though
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 4 @ 0.4 = 1.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23852 @ 0.00071785 = 17.1222 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: why dont mining pools begin investing into their own BTC client
tiberiusiv: like to make the client compatible with the btc network it just has to follow the same rules right?
tiberiusiv: that nerd crew has to go
dub: +1
dub: no real incentive for pools to get involved though
jcpham: everyone should join my club
jcpham: the bitcoin miners union
dub: the jesus christ pham?
jcpham: we'll do stuff
jcpham: btcmu.org
jcpham: except we have to make it
tiberiusiv: vessennes gavin
tiberiusiv: have to go
jcpham: or i'll sell you the domain and you do it
jcpham: whatever
dub: gavin is ok imo, just needs to be stronger an dignore the other fuckwits
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 26 @ 0.01442 = 0.3749 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.01498 = 1.498 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: what about garzik
jcpham: i'm inviting btcguild first
dub: he tried to sort the dev shop out but got beaten down by the 'community'
jcpham: btcmu.org is not opposed to forking the blockchain
jcpham: for funa nd profit
tiberiusiv: vessennes is finished anyway though
Bugpowder: bitcoin foundation board meetings are gonna be FUN
dub: the foundation is a joke
jcpham: haha
tiberiusiv: hanging around at a star trek convention?
tiberiusiv: since the foundation has no actual capital
tiberiusiv: they cant really do much
Bugpowder: they got that 10000BTC donation from gox
Bugpowder: Peter should have spent that too
Bugpowder: where is mah crash?
Bugpowder: Still think we will see 70-80 this weekend
tiberiusiv: you are an amateur bugpowder
Bugpowder: but I guess a violent sell off is not in the cards
tiberiusiv: those levels are possible
tiberiusiv: but it wont be becuase of mtgox lawsuit
Bugpowder: I am a ameture but have made much more on bitcoin than you ;)
tiberiusiv: i doubt it.
Bugpowder: that's your ego talking, not your head
tiberiusiv: bugpowder in 12months from now youll have given back most of your gains
Bugpowder: o really?
Bugpowder: how?
jcpham: i like how coinlab has this emotional pr release and mtgox releases a one-liner
Bugpowder: I am out of coins!
tiberiusiv: seen so many guys like you in trading
tiberiusiv: its not even funny
Bugpowder: Gotta pay my taxes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.31989999 BTC [+]
Framedragger: oh fuck it's may, i've to pay taxes in a week as well :(
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