PeterL[asciilifeform]: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=hznF << yesterday my blatta crashed, I'm not sure what this output means?
asciilifeform: PeterL: this is actually related to the icmp thing.
asciilifeform: PeterL: seems that python's posix glue actually propagates a 'port unreachable' as a eggog.
asciilifeform: awt: oughta wrap that thing in a catcher.
whaack[billymg]: a project i'd be interested in with the ppl here is to make a clone/mirror of the books on b-ok.org . I reached out to them to try to ask if i could mirror their site, but they are keeping their data proprietary. i'm sure one day they will be taken out and that site is a resource i would be quite sad to lose.
asciilifeform: indeed, 1337 w4r3z
whaack[billymg]: asciilifeform: yeah, ty i think it was you who posted that link in b-a years ago, life changing
asciilifeform: iirc did post at least 1
whaack[billymg]: crazy how much manual intervention must be put in place to hide that website from the search engines
asciilifeform: lotsa reasonably fresh w4r3z there. possibl. the only quality english b00kw4r3z www atm
whaack[asciilifeform]: although not unexpected
asciilifeform: whaack: imho the current-day engl. warez culture is rather braindamaged -- recall e.g. the 'scihub' folx wanking instead of standing up mirrors
whaack[billymg|asciilifeform]: will read thread later
whaack[billymg]: i'm guessing that some other academia paper website got nixxed and never took the time to make backups?
asciilifeform: whaack: there's a 'dog in the manger' culture, they like to 'sit on' 'their' warez
signpost[asciilifeform]: whaack: quite interested in working with you to make warez great again.
signpost[asciilifeform|billymg]: impl wot-tronics, a dht, and metadata search on pest and it'll put historic solutions to shame.
signpost[asciilifeform|billymg] recalls the glory of what.cd, tragedy that it died.
signpost[asciilifeform|billymg]: on the subj, the "ratio" method used to encourage members of private trackers to "contribute" is brain-damaged, considers everyone equals, and *limits* distribution due to the poverty of the perspective.
asciilifeform: signpost: recall the days of bbs and warez ratios. folx would upload rngolade to 'make ratio', lol
asciilifeform: yet anuther illustration of what happens when lacking wotronics
asciilifeform not heard of 'what.cd'
whaack[billymg|asciilifeform]: asciilifeform: what.cd, from what i remember, was a private stash of music. it was not trivial to get access to this stash, iirc it was invite-only and bar getting a lucky invite, you had to contribute to be able to access the 'warez.' as i understand, the music stash was legendary, it had ~errything, including lots of old
whaack[asciilifeform|billymg]: great interface for viewing and searching.
whaack[billymg|asciilifeform] knew someone in college with access.
whaack[asciilifeform|billymg]: i didn't know it had died though, and signpost probably knows more
jonsykkel[billymg|asciilifeform]: was gr8, now replaced by redacted.ch with identical interface. tho only some ~25% of warez from what.cd
whaack[billymg]: signpost: maybe it'll be a good project after i'm done with trbexplorer
asciilifeform: 100% wotronic warez on the proper foundation offered by pest is imho an obvious next step for the thing.
billymg: whaack: glad to hear you're back on the trbexplorer
asciilifeform: billymg: i strongly suspect that these only look as 'readable' as they do on acct of manual fiddling
asciilifeform: (rather than being purely mechanical output of whatever proggy)
asciilifeform recalls the 'ohnoez pankkake sent coin to trump' or wat was it, tabloid thing
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, i suspect there is a lot of manual "tagging" involved, and a parallel db of all they know about extant addresses
billymg in theory thinks it'd be nice to have a way to answer "what do they know about this address?" -- though perhaps not possible
asciilifeform: billymg: not only manual tagging, but i suspect even the readable (i.e. not 'help mouse find the cheeze' mess of liquishit) in the graph is also manually produced
billymg: ahh
asciilifeform: (recall the time when asciilifeform asked for a callgraph of trb, and no one could produce anyffin other than a 'help mouse find cheeze' horror)
asciilifeform: laying out a gnarly graph in 2d such that a human can make sense of it w/out a pen and magnifying glass and over9000 time is hard. (in some cases may be impossible)
asciilifeform: simply getting the connections not to overlap may be np-complete iirc.
asciilifeform: (it is a very similar problem to pcb routing, in fact)
whaack[billymg]: billymg: nice, it is near completition, i just need to add the tracking of a few other details (fees, fees paid to miners), adjust the view-block command so that it shows txns, and test the push command. aim is to finish by the end of February
whaack[billymg|asciilifeform]: if there's some specific type of query that you would like added or that anyone thinks is missing from typical heathen explorers plz let me know
asciilifeform: whaack: sumthing that exposes the 'who-gave' info of local noad would be nifty imho
asciilifeform: (i.e. 'where didja get that block and when')
whaack[billymg|asciilifeform]: ah, who gave that block?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: currently visible in debug log (if yer noad has asciilifeform's whogave patch)
whaack[billymg|asciilifeform]: is that info available via the rpc?
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: prolly oughta
asciilifeform: it aint currently stored anywhere (other than log spew)
whaack[billymg]: hrm, not sure i'm going to include that in the genesis patch then
whaack[asciilifeform|billymg]: not that it's not an important feature, but it doesn't quite fall in the scope of the current mvp, which is to replace all use of heathen blockexplorers.
billymg: whaack: awesome, very much looking forward to this
billymg: how big was the db again?
billymg: iirc was like 1tb, on top of the trb blockchain
whaack[billymg]: billymg: it's currently sitting at 513GB
asciilifeform: the big win will be when we have the 1 sane db for the thing, and not need sqlisms etc on top of it
whaack[asciilifeform]: my HD is using 930GB, which includes the OS and a couple of other small files
asciilifeform: ( ftr if stored via asciilifeform's scheme oughta weigh <half of what the traditional format weighs, while being readily convertible to/from it for protocol purposes )
whaack[asciilifeform]: well how do we ever get that asciilifeform the whole problem as i understand it is we need to keep trbs db around because we need some authority as to what is the longest chain / correct fork and any attempts at restructing the database has a high probability to lead to a fork ala the berkly / level db one a while back
asciilifeform: ( the trad format stores tx hashes all over the place rather than indices into the past like it oughta )
asciilifeform: whaack: asciilifeform is satisfied that his scheme represents the original w/out info loss ( ran entire chain at the time through it and compared bitwise )
asciilifeform: ( concretely -- had it eat ea. block which existed at the time, and shit back out, reconstituting the given one )
asciilifeform: (it still needs the cross-indexing thing tho, not to mention the backing store per se, to be glued on)
billymg: not sure if long message handling has been discussed yet (or if this qualifies), but i noticed that bitbot received a truncated copy of this message
bitbot: Logged on 2022-01-13 18:40:22 billymg: i'm interested in using it to generate something like the "chainalysis" folks generate for
billymg: in my main station's logs it shows the full message as outgoing, ending in "for the spooks". in the bot's station's logs it shows the truncated version as incoming, cut off right after "for"
billymg: ah, it's in the spec (thought i remembered something about it)
billymg: "Given that a Pest message is able to carry no more than 324 bytes of Text, a single IRC message entered into the console may require the station to originate two Pest messages. They must be appropriately chained, and their Timestamps must be equal. The receiving station will process them in the correct order using their S
billymg: "...using their SelfChain values."
asciilifeform: billymg: indeed is in the spec
asciilifeform: currently afaik blatta simply cuts irc msg into pestable chunks (or tries to at any rate)
whaack[asciilifeform]: billymg: for the record, i also received the truncated message on my machine
whaack[billymg]: and i though it curious at the time and i checked your logs, and since it was truncated in both i figured you had typo'd, in retrospect i should have asked
asciilifeform: evidently blatta's msg splitter (or reassembler?) dunwork justyet