vex: ill even kiss a sunset pig. oh california
vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3KOowB4k_k jimmy packey just gave the casino away
vex: aussie corruption dectecor has problems
vex: seroiusly?
vex: what are we gonna tell our friend when they say oh la ha?
vex: war is coming. stones no longer safe on earth
vex: big bada boom in the cab
vex: honk
vex: for ben kay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVOIg_lHRzk
vex: ubud looking good lately
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. finds: 'zig cc' , c/cpp compiler, '45MB tarball', claims musl support.
asciilifeform not tried, but interesting on surface imho
phf: " The size difference here comes because the Clang tarball ships with more utilities than a C compiler, as well as pre-compiled static libraries for both LLVM and Clang. " "If zig cc is built on top of Clang, why doesn't Clang just do this? What exactly is Zig doing on top of Clang to make this work?"
asciilifeform: phf: some kinda crackpot language included in there as well, seems
asciilifeform tried to unravel whether linked item genuinely 'compact', or 'cheats' by rolling in precompiled ???. ran outta cycles
phf: well, it seems like it's a llvm/clang + crackpot language. i've heard about crackpot language, and his "drop in cc replacement" hackery, but didn't realize that "small" is because "stripped down llvm"
shinohai: I was just about to ask if anyone here had ever heard of/used this "zig" lang.
asciilifeform not prev. encountered. on surface loox like umpteenth 'better c' attempt
phf: afaiu guy spams link aggregators with his project, and otherwise doesn't say or do anything controversial, so unlike e.g. asciilifeform or verisimilitude posts his are better tolerated, stay as a kind of background noise
asciilifeform: phf: lulzy. asciilifeform lost count by nao of 'better c' aficionados, they've been doing their thing since '80s...
asciilifeform consults for an outfit where 1 of the older ones among these is in use.
asciilifeform no longer spams, or even reads, aggregators, for many yrs nao...
phf: d is a legitimate language though, back when anything that's not python c++ or java was considered to be estoric, i knew a handful of d devs that were hanging out in lisp circles, and would argue convincingly that d is a kind of common lisp
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's pov, nearly 2y into subj, is more of attempt to be 'a kind of ada'. (it aint a dynamic lang, but rather traditional batch compiler) but very mixed bag imho.
phf: i could probably walk away, but have to admit that i got languages confused :> i was thinking of dylan
asciilifeform: lol
phf: right, i don't know anything about D except the name
asciilifeform: 'd' is a late-'90s item, 1 of the various efforts to 'what if cpp without rampant pointerism, add a gc, high-level data structures, etc'
asciilifeform: 'd' society has a www w/ various runnable examples, for the curious.
phf: like limbo/alef
asciilifeform: rather like
asciilifeform: compiles to x86/64/arm
asciilifeform: (i.e. no bytecodism)
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-23#1103157 I've seen this before, and disregarded it as nonsense of some flavour, asciilifeform.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-23 11:49:34 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. finds: 'zig cc' , c/cpp compiler, '45MB tarball', claims musl support.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-23#1103163 It's completely uninteresting, shinohai, and the only thing that happens in this niche is a new language being added to the pile. It's like the Erik Naggum quote on language proliferation.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-23 12:03:43 shinohai: I was just about to ask if anyone here had ever heard of/used this "zig" lang.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-23#1103165 Yes, this is basically correct, but recall it's easier to avoid being controversial when one also does nothing controversial.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-23 12:09:17 phf: afaiu guy spams link aggregators with his project, and otherwise doesn't say or do anything controversial, so unlike e.g. asciilifeform or verisimilitude posts his are better tolerated, stay as a kind of background noise
verisimilitude: He's not challenging the status quo, or doing anything new. He's attempting to bolster it, in ways anyone would understand perfectly well with naught more than a glance.
verisimilitude: I know one thing of which ziggers like to boast is the ``power'' of compile-time code execution. I don't think most ziggers even know of Lisp.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: 'language proliferation' happens for the reasons described by naggum; and , as also described, one tends to hear specifically about the moar dysfunctional examples
dulapbot: (agriculturalsupremacy) 2020-02-27 asciilifeform: black holes that can absorb ~infinite effort and still suck -- sell. 'job-creating technology'(tm)(r).
asciilifeform: ( see e.g. )
verisimilitude: Yes.
verisimilitude: Some act as if language ``community'' be more important than language itself.
verisimilitude: ``Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing.'' Oh, don't we know.
shinohai: We should rewrite Lisp in Rust, that might help.
verisimilitude: This reminds me of something.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: is where 'employment languages' come from.
verisimilitude: ``In Lisp, the **assignment operator** is a macro, implemented by a source filter. Every time you perform an assignment, you are invoking a macro that analyzes the source code at compile time and rewrites it to something else. If source filters were even 0.01% unreliable in Lisp, one assignment in 10,000 would compile wrong, and none of your programs would ever work properly.
verisimilitude: But they do work properly. That is how reliable source filters are in Lisp. How does Lisp attain this reliability?''
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-30#1041990 << got redacted? I'd be interested.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-30 18:33:35 mats: ill give you an invite to a private tracker for a song