crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-07#1100524 << I now understand the scope of the problem better, I'm inclined to believe in an impossibility for a sane solution. Anything outside the realm of an "intelligent hack" (whatever
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-07 14:45:48 asciilifeform: imho the problem of l2+ handle uniqueness is worth solving, to the extent can be solved.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-07 14:40:36 asciilifeform: satisfied that powism and nothing-to-the-stranger system are physically contradictory
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-07 14:39:35 signpost: seems like something to avoid "solving" until can be done without the scarequotes.
crtdaydreams: that might be) is out of the question.
crtdaydreams: I'm stumped. To put it simply.
crtdaydreams: no mention of https://handshake.org/ in logz
crtdaydreams: but similar problem *ahem* "solved" using powism
crtdaydreams: probably good example of why not to take pow route
crtdaydreams: also no need to delve into why the DNS system is braindamaged
crtdaydreams: exit
shinohai: Built python 2.7.3 under pentacle, though has no sqlite module (want to see if blatta will work in it).
thimbronion: shinohai: cool. Checked this morniing and noticed python was not included.
shinohai: Only thing I had to patch was Modules/posixmodule.c - do you know thimbronion if any other modules needed aside from sqlite3?
thimbronion: shinohai: I can't think of any. I've never built python from scratch unless building via pyenv install counts.
shinohai: Appears building sqlite on here from sources not gonna be simple task :/
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-08#1100582 << hilarious story of ethertard-style complexity circus, pseudo-decentralization, and... the inescapable premine scamola
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-08 04:15:49 crtdaydreams: no mention of https://handshake.org/ in logz
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-04-20 13:53:46 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: whole history of cryptocoinism consists of 1) the original bitcoin client, which ~works 2) variously-sabotaged variants of (1) , sponsored by the enemy 3) 'altcoins', consisting without exception of 'premine scam', where orig. author hopes to get-rich-quick on the backs of army of useful idiots
asciilifeform: 'A total of 1,360,000,000 coins are minted in the genesis block to be distributed to relevant stakeholders...' etc
shinohai will try to source a sqlite version that uses the old awk scripts instead of tcl
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-08#1100576 << asciilifeform posted a solution, of sorts
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-08 04:10:07 crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-07#1100524 << I now understand the scope of the problem better, I'm inclined to believe in an impossibility for a sane solution. Anything outside the realm of an "intelligent hack" (whatever
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-26 18:48:29 asciilifeform: thimbronion: current notion, summarized: we bite off 64byte from payload, and get 2 new fields, call'em 'unlock' and 'lock'. lock == h256(errything else in msg, incl. 'unlock', and unrevealed 32byte turd 'S'.); unlock = 'S' from yer previous msg.
asciilifeform: not yet in the current draft spec, however. ideally would like to find a way to put it in w/out breaking orig. protocol.
asciilifeform: atm nobody on pestnet has any kinda l2+. so not exactly pressing.
thimbronion: Why not allow "locking" of selected l2+ handles to a set of peers? If a message from a locked handle does NOT come through ALL peers to which locked with n bounces, annotate. Thus if alice and bob both have a mallory and mallory locally is locked at 1 bounce to bob, mallory with for example 1 bounce via alice ONLY will be annotated. This would of course be a heurstic and not
thimbronion: a 100% guarantee of identity. Apologies if this has already been proposed/rejected.
vex: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-05#1100047 what an elegant example of a starndard it is too
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-05 03:31:38 signpost: asciilifeform once took a crack at enumerated meaning of signatures.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-08#1100602 << and when >1 valid path ?
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-08 12:41:17 thimbronion: Why not allow "locking" of selected l2+ handles to a set of peers? If a message from a locked handle does NOT come through ALL peers to which locked with n bounces, annotate. Thus if alice and bob both have a mallory and mallory locally is locked at 1 bounce to bob, mallory with for example 1 bounce via alice ONLY will be annotated. This would of course be a heurstic and not
thimbronion: asciilifeform: hm, example?
vex: while you ponder that thimbronion, I'll suggest to verisimilitude to make his own desk
vex: i suggest a box style frame made of rhs, with some nice timber atop
vex: when the fbi comes, they'll wonder how you got it in the door
vex: it doesn't matter how much your dog costs, they can shoot it. they can't cut your desk up
vex: although, rules change
vex: being rich and russian and nautical is now a crime
vex: stupid pricks should be sailing
vex: if you need 20 tonne of diesel every week, it's not working
vex: I know where i'd be if I was suddenly persona non gratis
vex: not really, but I hope I'd be able to work it out in time
vex: mebbe to NH, working for signpost
vex: stay awake all night blasting potential intruders
vex: I'm actually pretty good creeping in the dark; my eyesight isn't that great in the daytime
vex: i'd be pissed and snoring waiting for predator tho
vex: i need a horse and a dog and a cat and a galah
vex: whosmsovever worries about heir ocr shouldn't
vex: thimbronion, I like to transpose alice & bob for names I know
vex: cycle until it makes sense
vex: soon enough you run oughtta names, alice and robert come around
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-08#1100608 << e.g. this net. say you're station '0'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-08 21:18:04 thimbronion: asciilifeform: hm, example?
vex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFEZOjtrwls when GL never came home from mexico
vex: here we go
asciilifeform: thimbronion: path of msg from '4' to '0' will vary depending on which links are alive
asciilifeform: can prolly come up with better example, but this one imho suffices
thimbronion: asciilifeform: not seeing a 4
asciilifeform: waiwat
asciilifeform: purple
thimbronion: 2 -> green, 0 is blue, 1 is orange. No purple that I can see.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: yer on a cga monitor or wat. it's right there in the screenshit.
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-05-08 23:32:05 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-05-08#1100608 << e.g. this net. say you're station '0'.
thimbronion: lolno
thimbronion: I wish
vex: fwiw monkey isalnd is coming
asciilifeform: thimbronion: are you looking at the png or the 'tool' link ?
thimbronion: png worx
asciilifeform: that's the correct link
vex: 2022 scumm
asciilifeform: thimbronion: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pest/paths.png
asciilifeform: thimbronion: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pest/multipath.png << better example. you're '0' and station in question is '5'. path to you from the latter can be 5->4->1->0, 5->3->2->0, 5->2->1->0, even if 4,3,2 are all alive, randomly
thimbronion: If 0 locked 5 to 1 at 2 bounces, I don't see how an annotation could result in multipath.png.
thimbronion: However, if 1 were connected to another net that had a 5 through one intermediary, THAT would not be annotated, which is bad.