d4: verisimilitude: https://www.dreamsongs.com/Repetition.html
d4: Reading it just now reminds me of http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-12-27
d4: And in case you missed, http://unpx.net/d4/articles/2021-10-1-sbc.html
asciilifeform: wb d4
asciilifeform: d4: at one time asciilifeform counted himself as 'fan' of r.gabriel, but in recent yrs not so much, imho fella drifted off into vagueness
d4: asciilifeform: thanks. Still messing with internal network, docs and website. Wish to squash @/patterns/ into @/d4/, but first I have to move the services to another host I'm setting up.
asciilifeform also for many yrs guilty of similar, wrote 'over9000' articles with one thesis, 'it *is* possible to write correct software'; but imho *demonstration* is worth over9000 such articles
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $51556.63
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715998 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715998
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=715998
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.136s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715998
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=715998
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=715998 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715998
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Alive: (0.245s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715998
watchglass: 184.108.40.206:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.260s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715998
watchglass: 220.127.116.11:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.305s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715925
watchglass: 18.104.22.168:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.326s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715925
watchglass: 22.214.171.124:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.179s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=715998
watchglass: 126.96.36.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 188.8.131.52:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
d4: asciilifeform: Do you mean the essay ``The Rise of Worse is Better''? I think everything if taken to an extreme will fail. When you look at `the right thing' without an objective you will always procrastinate looking for making it perfect.
asciilifeform: d4: speaking of his subsequent works.
d4: I see
d4: Skimming a bit looks like he's looking for something philosophical that there isn't.
asciilifeform: d4: r.gabriel followed the same trajectory as erry other fella who 'went philosophical' in the sense where he decides that he's 'above' actually writing programs.
asciilifeform: d4: observe how the current lolcats have a rather useful word, 'based', i.e. 'reality-based'. well, if you stop actually programming, rather soon will no longer have with what to be 'based', and float off like a discarded birthday balloon into bloviation.
asciilifeform: adding to this, recall that r.gabriel was 1 of the sad folx who personally participated in killing -- and feasting on the corpse of -- the golden age lispm world, then went on to write kilometers of lament re its demise.
asciilifeform: ( and possibly seems to be cognizant of being 'has been', 'I used to be Dick Gabriel. Those days are long gone. Now I’m just Dick Gabriel.' )
asciilifeform: dunno whether makes sense to say that there is a 'gorbachev of lisp', but if there were, r.gabriel is pretty good, imho, candidate for the role. 'shoe fits'.
asciilifeform: (e.g. erann gatt is another.)
dulapbot: (trilema) 2015-04-10 asciilifeform: eers seemed to work reasonably well there. It's just not a business model in which I wish to be involved, at least not on the component-provider side. So after a year at Google I quit and returned to JPL.' << the once well-known erann gatt, aka ron garrett.
whaack: howdy all
asciilifeform: wb whaack !
whaack: ty asciilifeform!
shinohai: o/ whaack
whaack: hola shinohai
shinohai: k tal de bueno?
whaack: been on a surf trip, my life in CR has pretty much been one long surf trip, so i guess this was a surf trip within a surf trip
shinohai: winter here so hafta travel to have any fun
whaack: did you travel?
whaack: idk where you are but is snow surfing not an option?
shinohai: we were thinking of driving out to colorado to ski again, we went there the wnter mp was on the grand europe tour
whaack misses skiing himself
whaack: i'm considering going to europe and hitting up some wavepools
whaack: i'm a little bored of ruralandia but also can't fathom giving up surfing
asciilifeform admits, not been surfing, has only dim idea of how it's done
asciilifeform: maybe if lives long enuff, will try..
asciilifeform: whaack: how about your hands? still suffering from emacs wrist?
whaack: yup, although i've gotten over the depression ohmygodicantdoanything bit
whaack: i'm taking collagen supplements daily, using new keyboards, paying attention to my posture, and just living with mild pain not worrying about impending doom
whaack: and i'd say the pain has reduced a bit, i hardly notice it while surfing anymore
whaack: re surfing, of course you're welcome to free lessons anytime you visit cr, the tricky bit is timing and paddling around , doding other surfers, the balance part is easy
asciilifeform: whaack: consider to try thimbron's prototype of 'pest', then, shouldn't require much in the way of keyboarding
whaack: asciilifeform: will do, trying to ressurect my trbexplorer first
asciilifeform: a, neato
whaack: the irc interface, that is, block explorer is still running on explorer.ztkfg.com
asciilifeform aiming to post new rev. of protocol spec some time b/w nao & newyear
asciilifeform doesn't anticipate major changes, but there's a lengthy list of minor fixes/refinements, and imho needs examples and diagrams to be truly edible
asciilifeform in search of a decent text-driven diagram shitter, if not finds one may use latex
whaack: do you have an eta for when dulapnet is replaced by blatta / pest?
asciilifeform: whaack: i expect to keep dulapnet going in parallel, in near term
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 194d 14h 8m
asciilifeform: at least until there are several 100% mature pestrons
asciilifeform: (for sumthing as precarious as a 1-box irc net, dulapnet has worked surprisingly well. but it is rather unsuitable for long-term use, e.g. can't exactly announce isp outages on it, given as it lives in the rack)
asciilifeform: when there's a 100% stable pestnet, will bridge dulapnet's #a to it, i expect.
asciilifeform has been contemplating various long-term potentials of pestnet.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-28 19:37:11 asciilifeform: signpost: somewhat apropos, thought of your lubytron in context of possible pheature: pestron takes a local dir and 'hosts'. peers (and optionally broader pestnet members, e.g. l2/l3) can visit e.g. http://localhost:8000/signpost and see his 'www'.
asciilifeform sees pest, in 'big picture', as a generalization of the wot, rather than simply replacement for ircism.
whaack: !e help
trbexplorer: whaack: my valid commands are: src, uptime, version, help, view-address, view-balance, view-raw-block, view-block, view-height, view-merkle-root, view-txn, view-utxos, view-raw-txn, verify-block, push
whaack: !e view-height
trbexplorer: block_height: 716011
whaack: !e verify-block 716011
trbexplorer: transactions hash to merkle and block header hashes to block hash for block 716011
whaack: !e view-block 716011
trbexplorer: height: 716011
trbexplorer: size: 829618
trbexplorer: version: 536895488
trbexplorer: prev_hash: 0000000000000000000611707f2d54788c5f03be075dde6ac0f3d1fa1f57c8ca
trbexplorer: hash: 00000000000000000006bd263b2b801b8546abf879bb3d964272ab3531e2735d
trbexplorer: merkle_root: 5116d58b9fb12e975b142ef939776e5605fb74ef41a0a883cf113526b4c36677
trbexplorer: timestamp: 1640629244
trbexplorer: target: 386635947
trbexplorer: nonce: 3553272722
trbexplorer: num_txns: 2291
whaack: now to get a blatta node working
asciilifeform: whaack: lemme know when you have one built, i'll pgp you a peering key for my station
asciilifeform: (dunno if thimbronion is around atm)
thimbronion: asciilifeform: here
asciilifeform: shinohai and billymg are on pesttestnet currently
asciilifeform: a neato
asciilifeform: wb thimbronion
thimbronion: asciilifeform: ty.
signpost: howdy whaack; I published a keyboard doodad recently that's been helping me with my own laptopism.
signpost uses the thinkpad middle-click as most-used modifier key now
signpost: iirc your issue was wrists though (which sounds like hand angle), whereas mine was just pulverizing left pinky and ring
asciilifeform: wb signpost
asciilifeform: 'emacs pinky'(tm)(r)
signpost will also stand up another blatta today, farting around the house with the plague
whaack: thimbronion: do you have a location where all the blatta vpatches are hosted or do i need to get them 1by1 on your blog?
whaack: signpost: thank you, i got a foot pedal for my main machine, but when i'm using other laptops i may use your script
signpost: aw crap
signpost: (being the number that shall be counted)
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-27#1069796 << 100%, communication is not separable from relationship/reputation
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-27 13:16:35 asciilifeform: sees pest, in 'big picture', as a generalization of the wot, rather than simply replacement for ircism.
whaack: thimbronion: ty
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-29#1068245 << what was the mistake? I have this error message also
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-29 15:59:19 billymg: thimbronion: i'm trying to run 9987, started the same way as before and went to connect in weechat, received this after trying `/join #pest`: irc: cannot create nick "" for channel "#pest"
signpost: (next time say in logs, lol!)
signpost probably an idjit and it's right under my nose
thimbronion: signpost: post the station debug log if you've got it
signpost: looks pretty normal
signpost doesn't have anything clearly bonkers in the weechat config
signpost: but I get that barf in the weechat console when I join #pest , and can't issue any % commands
asciilifeform using weechat w/ blatta, but not yet encountered this eggog
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen www comments.
signpost: asciilifeform: hey, without cp fanfic all over your blog, you even have hope of fishing out a fixable mind or two.
signpost: re: weechat no obvious missing settings, got nick and username set
thimbronion: signpost: and you set --log-level debug?
signpost: herp, sec
signpost: thimbronion: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=2Xt9
signpost: got the same error about creating the nick in my weechat session
signpost: maybe harmless? I'm not currently peered with anyone with this instance, I believe.
thimbronion: ah so you need to do /wot, not %wot
signpost: with one slash, weechat doesn't send it. with two, sends, but blatta ignores
asciilifeform: signpost: /quote wot worx on mine
thimbronion: signpost: works with one slash in my weechat. And as asciilifeform mentioned /quote <cmd> will work - in fact is required for /key I believe.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: this headache is why asciilifeform in latest spec wrote 'use % as prefix and filter'
signpost: hooray, that did it
thimbronion: asciilifeform: ah ok cool
asciilifeform: i.e. oughta be e.g. %wot, %key, etc. and pestron oughta do the Right Thing
signpost: yeah sorry, didn't catch that spec moved
signpost finally catching up.
signpost: thimbronion: may I peer with your station? same key as before?
thimbronion: signpost: I'll send a new key - old ones won't work
thimbronion: signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=--xA
signpost: ack, ty
signpost: hooray, that worked.
signpost: lmk if anyone else wants to peer up. not sure exactly how many stations are currently running.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-27#1069839 << to close the loop, this didn't end up preventing me from interating with my blatta station. perhaps there's some response weechat expects per IRC spec, dunno.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-12-27 18:17:58 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-29#1068245 << what was the mistake? I have this error message also
asciilifeform: signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=U62_
asciilifeform: signpost: lemme know if worx
asciilifeform: btw billymg's pestlogger appears to be down atm
d4: >who buys prebuild pc; I do. But second hand one. Usually company pc. I just clean and change some stuff and it just works, I don't have to think about `optimal' hardware. Use them as servers and access them with my laptop.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-07-28 21:05:15 asciilifeform: looked at the fishwraps, apparently this concerned two particular 'alienware' 'gaming' boxes. (who the fuck still buys prebuilt desktops?! and why?!)
dpb: d4, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
d4: What's this, dpb ?
dpb: the Bible is true, but most people don't believe it, and they will be destroyed forever because of their unbelief