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asciilifeform: cdd: who might you be ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063512 << the quoted fella wasn't in any likelihood a 'ruler'; but hegemon -- defo. and dunno whether makes sense to refer to stopping by the palace to pick up yer 3mil$ now an' then as 'punching in', but i suppose technically could
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-06 23:42:41 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063504 << anyone who punches in at a megacorp is a servant, not ruler, yes.
asciilifeform: ... in that sense, e.g. hitler 'punched in'
cdd: asciilifeform: I'm just a surfer of the 'net
asciilifeform: cdd: what brings you to dulapnet ?
asciilifeform: (do we know one another?)
cdd: Curiosity.
cdd: No
cdd: Also, my condolences for the loss of Mircea.
cdd: s/Mircea/Mr Popescu/
asciilifeform: cdd: we weren't friends, for many yrs
cdd: Ah, I'm unaware of your relationship with him.
asciilifeform: cdd: in what subj is your interest? and howdja find the door ?
cdd: verisimilitude (sort of) I don't remember exactly It was about a year ago I came across loper-os
cdd: My interest in lisp and lisp machines.
cdd: That and lainchan.
asciilifeform: i assume cdd already knows about the logs.
asciilifeform: what's lainchan?
cdd: It's an imageboard.
asciilifeform: any relation to the famous 'numeric' n-chans?
cdd: Not really, it's a cyberpunk imageboard.
asciilifeform: cdd: outta curiosity, it linked to my www? or log? or where
cdd: I think I found the link to your site loper-os
cdd: yes.
cdd: I found your log through the contact page on your site
asciilifeform: cdd: don't hesitate to link to subj, if think is interesting
cdd: I found out about mircea through the WoT on his website Trilema
asciilifeform mildly curious how he ended up linked from a lolcattery
cdd: I really don't remember the exact way I found this place, but I know it stemmed from loper-os
cdd: I knew about this place since about 6mo before Popescu passed.
asciilifeform: cdd: prolly yer thinking of #t
asciilifeform: cdd: anyways you will notice there is a search knob, feel free to make use of it.
asciilifeform: ~decade of material.
cdd: If some topic comes up or a subject I might. Otherwise I don't see a point dwelling in the past.
asciilifeform: rright but if you want to have a >day conv., the custom is to link to prev. line.
cdd: Might I ask, what '(and more importantly who) is this place and you?
cdd: Ah, ok.
cdd: Wait, there are more sites?
cdd: Is there a webring or shall I just trawl the WoT?
asciilifeform: well you mentioned knowing verisimilitude.
cdd: Yes, I must ask him how his keyboard is going.
cdd: Oh, that's neat.
asciilifeform: and see e.g. asciilifeform's www link bar, if in search of reading material from folx living an' dead.
asciilifeform: quickest way to find out 'what's this and who lives there' is to browse the log a bit.
cdd: That's quaint. I shall a little later.
asciilifeform: laters.
asciilifeform must bbl
cdd: Sorry, bbl?
dpb: cdd, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
cdd: Erm.. ok.
cdd: Don't drink too much kool-aid.
cdd: I think one of the most important things to remember is that "paradise" literally translates to "walled-garden".
cdd: dpb: With the way technology is going, the devil will be a making of man.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708639
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708639
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.152s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.153s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=708639 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.165s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.251s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.259s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.596s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=708639
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: shinohai: where did busybot go?
shinohai: oh gm asciilifeform .... likely fell down during the great DST internet outage this morning, lemme check.
asciilifeform: ah that'd explain how watchglass (which lives on same box as dulapnet) escaped
asciilifeform: !q uptime
dulapbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 144d 11h 12m
shinohai: Strange .... still shows connected, is PING/PONG'ing
asciilifeform: seems that same bug oughta have afflicted the logger tho, and it hasn't
asciilifeform: possibly heisenbug which depends on the vagaries of pingpong
asciilifeform: will be glorious when we can switch to pestronics and fughet about these headaches.
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $61947.29
asciilifeform: ty shinohai
thimbronion: shinohai: busybot seems to be gone from the pest testnet as well
shinohai: Imma try thimbronion's new thing today .... but the genesis was nice thing thus far, I even got bot to peer.
shinohai: thimbronion: Yeah imma re-press blatta w/ yer updates and reconnect in a bit.
thimbronion: shinohai: cool
asciilifeform: shinohai: this was part of why asciilifeform specced an irc-compat. frontend for pest -- bots can be moved w/out major surgery
thimbronion: I suppose a logger could be stood up in the testnet at this point as well
shinohai: Also anyone tuned in that is testing this welcome to ping me if they want to peer. Will send deets via gpgram.
billymg: asciilifeform: reading through your latest pest spec now, there's a dead link in 1.2.7. Nothing to the Stranger.: the link "duplicate" points to: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pest/pest_draft.html#1272-dupes but the section id is actually #1272-duplicates
billymg: there's also a typo in 2.3. The WOT., last sentence I believe should say "...WOT also contains one* or more handles..."
asciilifeform: billymg: fixed, ty!
asciilifeform expects this aint the last outright lul in the spec. had shamefully little time to touch the thing for month+
asciilifeform: and there's a couple whole sections still missing.
billymg: asciilifeform: will let you know if i find more, i'm reading through it to get up to speed on the changes since the last v published version
asciilifeform: ty billymg
asciilifeform: billymg: don't hesitate to post these, i'ma fix as quickly as i can
asciilifeform: 'getdata' and 'rekey' discussion in particular currently entirely missing.
asciilifeform: billymg, thimbronion , shinohai , signpost -- when you have a chance, send asciilifeform key/addr, will try to test thimbronion's prototype in coming days
asciilifeform: (via pgpgram naturally.)
billymg: asciilifeform: will do, i hope to get there myself today or tomorrow
asciilifeform is very pleasantly surprised that there is already a working prototype !
asciilifeform: aaand somehow, somehow!11, this happened w/out an egomaniac insulting people through mouthfuls of caviar, imagine.
asciilifeform: anuther pleasant surprise is that thimbronion's thing in fact weighs substantially less than asciilifeform's spec
asciilifeform: (dunno if this would remain so for e.g. ada impl. but still sumthing.)
asciilifeform considering to make a prototype in 'd'.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 11:50:15 asciilifeform: billymg, thimbronion , shinohai , signpost -- when you have a chance, send asciilifeform key/addr, will try to test thimbronion's prototype in coming days
asciilifeform: ty shinohai !
asciilifeform must bbl
PeterL: thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063476 << not sure if I didn't get to it in time, but paste looks empty?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-06 17:12:16 thimbronion: PeterL: here's the info you need to "connect" to the testnet: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4OrH. I feel like connect is the wrong word, but I'm not sure what would be appropriate.
PeterL: I feel like connect is the right word, you connect to a pest network by peering with somebody in it
PeterL: at first I thought that blatta was not sending any responses to me, but I figured out that I have to have the "debug" window open to see the responses (I am using the client IceChat)
verisimilitude: Hello, cdd.
verisimilitude: It's interesting how Lainchan was finally mentioned here; for clarity, that's an anonymous imageboard I help manage.
verisimilitude: Unlike dulapnet, I'm one of the better programmers who uses Lainchan, which has caused my growing increasingly bored with it, but such an investment of time isn't discarded lightly.
cdd: If I understand, other chans are bleeding more and more into lainchan, affecting the quality of the posts and general userbase.
cdd: Userbase aside, I'm probably on the end of poorer programmers.
cdd: Is dulpanet just this IRC channel or does it extend elsewhere?
verisimilitude: It's just here.
verisimilitude: Tell me how we know each other, cdd.
cdd: verisimilitude: we met on #lainchan once
cdd: I was just a passerby, like now.
cdd: Who I was then and who I am now are fragments of one another. I wouldn't expect you recognize who I was. If fact I prefer if you forget.
verisimilitude: I don't remember, so alright.
cdd: I wouldn't go through all the effort to protect my anonymity connecting on here to throw it all away.
signpost: that's alright; we know who you are.
vex: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $62941.45
cdd: signpost: What do you mean?
signpost wiggles eyebrows menacingly
cdd runs
cdd: Nowhere to run on the 'net.
cdd: signpost: what's cuntoo?
signpost: shitty self-contained gentoo I shelved.
signpost: still had way too many dependencies on the outside world.
cdd: Hah, and deedbot? It's the bot access to the WoT?
signpost: !!help
signpost: imho the most interesting work being done currently is http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3926
signpost: many of the things I built in the past and those I'm currently working on will be fitted to ^
cdd: Wait, it returns an S-exp? Can you interface with it through a lisp system?
signpost: with whatever you like. it itself is written in common lisp
cdd: Wow.
signpost: eh it's a pretty trivial program
cdd: I'm akin to a newb, possibly more on the wannabe side. Trivial it might be for you, for me, not so much.
signpost: one's barriers are often self-imposed eh?
cdd: Where's the source, might I ask?
cdd: Erm, more or less. I find myself knowing enough to know just how little I know.
signpost: sure, nothing wrong with that
signpost: src was on the blog that I recently found riddled with spam, took down for now, but if you stick around it'll reappear before long
signpost: was running an ancient php wordpress turd, needs replacing
signpost: that said my next work on the wot will be to make it available as a service on pest.
cdd: That would be trinque.org I suppose?
signpost: and something which *every* pest node can run, because the idea of "a" wot is nonsense. there's only *the* wot.
cdd: Pest?
signpost: yes, I linked it.
cdd: Ah, sorry I had it opened just not read it yet. I'll take a moment to now.
cdd: Hm, reminds me of XMPP; but decentralized.
shinohai: !!v 48F6904D6101C41162E9E4EC754E3A721FF0509C2B8FD5BB0A2545B695AEF585
deedbot: shinohai rated thimbronion 2 << Blatta (Pest) Writes at: http://thimbron.com/
signpost: bout time I updated my own ratings.
signpost: cdd: maybe if you squint a bit, but it's a fair bit lower level than xmpp
signpost: also worth considering that at the bottom of every software design is a particular political view
signpost: note that in pest the human relationships are the fundamental structure.
cdd: The wall of trust determining the structure of the network, being the highest level of deterministic structuring.
signpost: notably no "freenode" or similar involved.
signpost: all of us have computers on the internet, which is already a peer-to-peer network, so why should there be?
cdd: Not necessarily on an infrastructure level.
cdd: It's the eternal mainframe.
signpost: it's a fair point, but pest would work fine over radio.
signpost: wouldn't surprise me if this happens in time either.
signpost: oh, you're talking about that
signpost: what infrastructure, pest doesn't need datacenters.
signpost: (I was talking about the fact that the backbones are owned by USG, which is true and a problem)
cdd: That too, pest is just a beefy irc bouncer when you think about it.
signpost: nah, fundamentally different than irc.
signpost: although it was born breaking teeth on the fact that IRC servers cannot be deployed redundantly (i.e. with cycles in the peerings)
cdd: Ah, how do I word it. Yes it's a different protocol entirely, but it serves the same function. It's just a protocol, it's like gemini to html. But gemini is shit.
signpost: yeah, chat protocol certainly.
cdd: The more I think about it, the better it is.
signpost: and extensible, sure, just not with giant wads of xml
signpost: anyhow if you like that essay you linked, you might like hanging around.
cdd: By all means I intend to. :-)
cdd: If I understand correctly this chatroom is the 0.001%
cdd: Add a few more zeroes for good luck.
vex: there's a little 1% sprinkled in
cdd: I'd be one of them. :-D
cdd: Have you had a look into the Loopix network?
cdd: It's a whitepaper, a proposition for a completely anonymous network that even mitigates against packet analysis and sybil attacks.
signpost: haven't, but I'll look
vex: isn't everything a chat protocol?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:15:14 signpost: yeah, chat protocol certainly.
vex: Chemistry in organisms, or light from another star...
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063626 << he's still there, doing the same, in my head.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 11:59:03 asciilifeform: aaand somehow, somehow!11, this happened w/out an egomaniac insulting people through mouthfuls of caviar, imagine.
signpost: vex: yeah it's one of the "everything is a" slices of reality.
signpost: speaking of everything being a sex thing, just got one of these visiontek gpus for workputer, can apparently push 6 screens. I'm only up to 4.
vex: it pays to be the boss
signpost: thing was like 200bux, cheap, and obtainable because it can't 3D for shit.
vex: pushin on 6. look the part. so boss
signpost: nice to read src without scrolling with 'em vertical
vex: whats a good monitor for vert reading? I want one now
signpost got HP Z27k G3
signpost: so far happy with 'em
signpost: still evaluating gpu but so far no complaints. animations a little slow in shitty DEs that use them, but not the point
vex: all dem screens
vex: those golden sack boys alf had lunch with are prolly only rocking two
signpost just recalled he had moar to say about that
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063724 << (but first) this is you doing it with a sock-puppet, not him.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:37:17 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063626 << he's still there, doing the same, in my head.
signpost: "not that there's anything wrong with that!"
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 11:59:03 asciilifeform: aaand somehow, somehow!11, this happened w/out an egomaniac insulting people through mouthfuls of caviar, imagine.
thimbronion: oops, that was for signpost's line
signpost: not like the guy doesn't take up real estate in my own skull, or I wouldn't be as pissed about the inglorious end
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063517 << plenty of owned people make dump-trucks of printed money in the US. I just walked away from approx 1mil/yr in comp all considered.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 00:05:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-06#1063512 << the quoted fella wasn't in any likelihood a 'ruler'; but hegemon -- defo. and dunno whether makes sense to refer to stopping by the palace to pick up yer 3mil$ now an' then as 'punching in', but i suppose technically could
vex: that's it. 300 > 3mn is only 1 zero
signpost: yeah, I have less respect for omg mil usd as time goes on, thanks to janet, jerome, and co, lol
signpost: (not that asciilifeform does)
signpost: anyway, much higher-ranking scum at GS than comcast, but both lives read from a flowchart they didn't write.
vex: also bzx claim to have opened walletinpector.docx 55mn gone
thimbronion: PeterL: I'm just gonna use the key you shared.
billymg: thimbronion: (or asciilifeform) i'm trying to get blatta running on my dulap rc, would either of you happen to have the distfiles for sqlite3 so i can install via portage?
vex: ;rate jurov 5 sleep as long as you want babe, you're well loved mountain man
vex: for the record. noone elks gets a 5
vex: alf, bb, you're 4
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063718 << read this and barfed, it's a (surprise?) shitcoin with 'blockchain', 'mixers', over9000 movingparts
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:21:29 cdd: https://nymtech.net/whitepaper/
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:55:35 vex: those golden sack boys alf had lunch with are prolly only rocking two
vex: did you mention bitcoin loudly?
vex: seems fitting
asciilifeform: vex: can talk xor eavesdrop, lol
vex: We'rent you almost starving? what is this resturant?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 19:48:34 billymg: thimbronion: (or asciilifeform) i'm trying to get blatta running on my dulap rc, would either of you happen to have the distfiles for sqlite3 so i can install via portage?
asciilifeform spent most of day in engine guts, still woozy from the fumes
vex: bought a boat?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063706 << it's a general-purpose packet routing protocol, simply chat is by far simplest rider to implement
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:14:48 cdd: Ah, how do I word it. Yes it's a different protocol entirely, but it serves the same function. It's just a protocol, it's like gemini to html. But gemini is shit.
asciilifeform is satisfied that there is not already a published item that 'does same thing', errybody seems obsessed with pseudo'anonymous' liquishit
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:48:55 vex: whats a good monitor for vert reading? I want one now
vex: fuck how much is that gonna cost?
asciilifeform: vex: <2k us
vex: thought so. 2x on signpost's recoommendation
asciilifeform: vex: if you intend to mount on ergotron arm, gotta get the thickest one, is too heavy for the standard item
vex: i'm niether penilless, nor minted
asciilifeform: vex: it's a tool of trade, if you stare at display 14+h/d, will appreciate it, otherwise overkill
vex: it'll come as no surprise that I'm not in the trade
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063739 << imho asciilifeform's summary aint entirely off, but obv. subjective.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:58:18 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063724 << (but first) this is you doing it with a sock-puppet, not him.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063746 << this makes sense, no one pays a sarariman 'enuff to stop'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 19:02:51 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063517 << plenty of owned people make dump-trucks of printed money in the US. I just walked away from approx 1mil/yr in comp all considered.
signpost: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $65309
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063701 << 1 peer in a pair does need an ext. routable ipv4, in all fairness. but dun have to be in a dc.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:10:41 signpost: what infrastructure, pest doesn't need datacenters.
signpost: re: enough to stop, their lifestyles inflate with paycheck
signpost: asciilifeform: yeah, I got to mentioning radio
asciilifeform: signpost: this is common and quite lethal aha
asciilifeform: signpost: was conscious element of the design, aha, to support routing fabric other than ip.
signpost: defo, picked up on that
asciilifeform: nuffin in pest presumes that a packet is routed point to point, worx entirely fine with broadcast.
asciilifeform: 'if you can decrypt it, it's for you'
asciilifeform: 'found keys, keep car'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063651 << observe that asciilifeform et al cultivate the ~precise opposite~ of anonymity. once you grasp why, will have flash of enlightenment.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 16:37:53 cdd: I wouldn't go through all the effort to protect my anonymity connecting on here to throw it all away.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063644 << currently is a miniature item set up as wartime expedient by asciilifeform (there are fallback boxen by other folx)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 16:10:53 cdd: Is dulpanet just this IRC channel or does it extend elsewhere?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063705 << irc in fact does not permit a net w/out hardwired central points of failure, aha. i rec to noobs to read the aug.2021 threads where we attempted to bake one.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:13:19 signpost: although it was born breaking teeth on the fact that IRC servers cannot be deployed redundantly (i.e. with cycles in the peerings)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063729 << i got 1 of those amd cad card things that doesn't 3d ~at all. but worx with 100% blobless driver, and pushes 3 x '4k', which was all i needed.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 18:45:30 signpost: thing was like 200bux, cheap, and obtainable because it can't 3D for shit.
signpost: which one was that?
asciilifeform: signpost: wx2100
signpost: hm cheap, I might compare this to the visiontek 7750
asciilifeform not tried the latter, but loox like it oughta run off same driver
signpost: yeah, using the kernel amdgpu one
asciilifeform: for 6 hoses you'd need two wx's tho
signpost: these actually look pretty similar aside number of outputs, so I'm probably good.
asciilifeform: ifitworx, dunfixit
vex: ^ still running a stolen monitor with hv hookups making the shit light up
vex: custom shroud
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 17:58:59 signpost: also worth considering that at the bottom of every software design is a particular political view
asciilifeform: it aint retrofittable, either, item that is baked for 1, generally worthless if take another
vex: take my pc. get zapped
asciilifeform: if gotta turn yer hut into a dc, then so be it. e.g. asciilifeform's new pad has 20kw genset on concrete pedestal. and prolly will install moar.
signpost: nice
asciilifeform: 'cost of doing biz'
vex: sweet as
asciilifeform: vex: well, no, 'sweet' would be not being in position where 'no mains current, no pay'
asciilifeform: this is rather like 'oh you bought own bulldozer? sweet'
vex: i'm thinking about getting a shipload of lister clones from .in
asciilifeform: 'best machine is no machine'(tm)(r)(altschuller)
vex: fits inhead
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063679 << prolly cleanest way to do it is by introducing a subtype or 2 of priv.msg (1 for wot inquiry, 1 for response) but prolly a bridge too far atm
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 17:52:33 signpost: that said my next work on the wot will be to make it available as a service on pest.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063685 << in exactly same sense venus probe is 'like train, but with plasma jets' lol
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 17:56:04 cdd: Hm, reminds me of XMPP; but decentralized.
asciilifeform: the key parts in any such mechanism is the ones which ~aint there~.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063745 << there's a 2015-vintage mp installed in asciilifeform's head, worx a++
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 19:01:34 signpost: not like the guy doesn't take up real estate in my own skull, or I wouldn't be as pissed about the inglorious end
signpost: "never upgrade!"
vex: ^
asciilifeform: moar subtly perhaps 'always know when to stop upgrading'
vex: hanbot once made 8 bc a week
vex: anyone fucks with her. i'll tune you to new song
vex: best belive the western australia kidnapper got put in a cell with a wicked man
asciilifeform: vex: and e.g. karpeles was making over9000/d!
vex: Idk about japanese jails
asciilifeform: vex: they let him out, he's still 'needed'
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-06-29 12:18:05 puman: fucking Karpeles again? "One reason for staffers' virulent disapproval is Shells CTO Mark Karpelès" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by-the-crown-prince-of-korea/
vex: i can send a meme
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063769 << so far have tried 3.22 and 3.21, pretty much just working off of the ebuilds that came with dulap in /usr/portage/dev-db/sqlite
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 20:05:36 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063755 << gotta be specific, which tarball is missing
billymg: asciilifeform: i also poked around in the upstream repo for something, all of the currently listed ebuilds are for EAPI=7, 3.24 was the last ebuild to be on EAPI=6 but the tarball for that also 404'd
vex: //whymin?
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 17:46:43 signpost: imho the most interesting work being done currently is http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3926
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-11-07 21:30:14 billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-07#1063769 << so far have tried 3.22 and 3.21, pretty much just working off of the ebuilds that came with dulap in /usr/portage/dev-db/sqlite
asciilifeform: it's entirely possib. that it's missing, iirc i haven't used sqlite since phuctor-1
asciilifeform will bbl
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