vex: I'm reminded of the jp concept of stolen lessons. Ostenibly the papprentice creeps into the master's library while he's sleeping. only to find the book isn't there
vex: I've prolly got it wrong again, just checking if gregor can splain it
vex: you've prolly got the top guy for groking humanlang there alf
vex feels an audit comin g on. lemme have a look
vex: hanbot & bimbos' loss is so unfathomable. i'm stiil reeling
vex: i didn't see him die, so I won't suggest any butt secks
vex: that said. you're welcome to cry
punkman: you ever go fishing vex?
vex: I get blufin sometiema
vex: drag it to tokyo. .25 bc
vex: I frefer to eat it raw
vex: How';s the shaking going?
vex: people gte the snapper off the reef, i liek sailing about trolling for a tuna
vex: reel starts reeling. wakes erryone on board
vex: squealing at th eI might catch a black marlin
vex: I keep my boat specced
vex: any tsunami. i'm 2 mninutes off
vex: motorbike stays home, i'm fucking off coastal
vex: fuck the hills
vex: Ill punch it thru the surf
vex: wtaerworld ftw
vex: see me in london. nice to see you back punkman
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060173 << yep, the "future was here, just unevenly spread" when industry was integrated for global war. no argument to the contrary here.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 20:28:09 asciilifeform: signpost: the possibility of 'non-communism' at the 20th c. tech level is imho an illusion -- a beautiful dream, if you like.
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060175 << probably 300 years of cat-and-mouse from here between p2p cryptoculture and the industrial war machine, yes
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 20:29:29 asciilifeform: it was possible at earlier tech levels, and may be, in principle, possible at moar advanced ones. but not at the 'planes in large numbers == sovereigty' one
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060182 << spreading is taking care of the difference.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 20:34:56 asciilifeform: nao, communist country with '2.5 room house in suburbs and mustang', 'protestant ethic', etc. but fundamentally, structurally -- same thing.
signpost wagers politics doesn't change much until one can cheaply escape planet 3, and I'm not holding my breath.
signpost: asciilifeform: https://loper-os.org/http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060184pub/pest/pest_draft.html#128-nothing-to-the-snoop << one of my own napkin scribblings contains this, but stations all blast a fixed stream of noise to one another continuously
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 20:36:59 asciilifeform: kingdom where the crown is the principal economic actor, dwarfing all others -- is an inca empire. aka communist.
signpost: intent was to make sending nothing, sending A->B, and sending A->B->C indistinguishable.
signpost: a thought occurs, that if one wanted to make the graph of connections unintelligible, these could be scheduled. i.e. my station blasts asciilifeform's on a regular schedule whether-or-not it has anything important to say.
signpost: if it has, packets get on the train; otherwise train runs empty
signpost: obfuscation of the social graph was one of the things high on my list, but it might be a next-layer-above-pest thing.
signpost: applicable also to radio.
signpost fully expects to lose free access to internet within his lifetime.
PeterL: these aspects (whether and when to send junk/ignore packets) are left to the operator and do not need to be in the specification
signpost: PeterL: it's much more interesting when you put how you arrived at a conclusion in the logs.
signpost: (ftr I agree, and said exactly that with "next-layer-above", i.e. a proggy which sits atop pest)
PeterL: you could send garbage to random IP addresses each second, or you could sit silently most of the time, but this does not affect how other people handle your packets
signpost: certainly where it's unclear what the optimal defensive posture is, oughta give degrees of freedom to the operator.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-30#1060230 << this is asciilifeform's pov, which is why i did not specify in the logs how & when to generate chaff. prolly oughta be marked moar clearly to this effect tho.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-30 10:40:06 PeterL: these aspects (whether and when to send junk/ignore packets) are left to the operator and do not need to be in the specification
asciilifeform: *in the logs or in the doc
asciilifeform: it depends heavily on the bw of your station, that of your peers (folx on gsm 'pay-per-byte' may wish you wouldn't send chaff and certainly won't wish to send any themselves, i expect) etc
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060187 << nope, was in original 0xFF draft even
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 23:14:25 vex: 1.2.8 is the squid ink pest-like thing new?
signpost: is it just me or is vex getting more intelligible as time goes on?
asciilifeform: signpost: he did say sumthing re: drinking less iirc
signpost: wd
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-30#1060229 << fwiw asciilifeform expects to starve. and not 'in lifetime sometime' but in next coupla yrs.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-30 10:29:29 signpost: fully expects to lose free access to internet within his lifetime.
asciilifeform: cost of living in past ~yr, ~doubled.
asciilifeform ftr worx 12-14h/d, 7d/w. for this gets, mostly, moar tax.
PeterL: Why not just say things will take twice as long, work half the hours?
asciilifeform: PeterL: i suppose that'd work if asciilifeform were the 1 and only slave on the galley, lol
asciilifeform: there's over9000 willing to take his place, tho
asciilifeform: at any rate it aint a problem w/ the salt mines, but with costs.
asciilifeform: 1 side of ledger goes up ~geometrically, the other ~not at all
PeterL: we are going to have to start putting "inflation adjustment" into employment contracts?
asciilifeform: PeterL: they traditionally already have laughable-usg-official-inflation adjustment
asciilifeform: but it simply is to add insult to injury
asciilifeform: ( think, what'd be the point of organizing inflation if you then had to actually adjust for it ! )
PeterL: "official rate" is something around 2%, I am not sure how they torture the numbers to get that result
asciilifeform: there's not 1 locale on planet3 where official-inflation is within order of magnitude of the ~actual~
asciilifeform: PeterL: by exclusing housing, medical, etc
asciilifeform: in usa, that is, can't comment re elsewhere,
asciilifeform: but they exclude errything other than mcfood.
asciilifeform: *excluding
asciilifeform concretely wishes to apologize to folx expecting pest spec/implementation, phuctor resurrection, new trb, and any other wunderwaffen; nfi how many, if any, will be able to do in the time remaining.
asciilifeform not interested to 'emo', but weighed the question and decided is Right Thing to tell folx in advance, rather than 'surprise' later
asciilifeform bbl
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-29#1060091 No; with my correct usage, it should be a hint as to how I pronounce that acronym.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-29 14:39:23 PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059873 << shouldn't that (in your quirky usage) be "mine SHA" since it starts with a vowel sound?
verisimilitude: I don't see any issue with socialism; I use my public library occasionally, and a fire department is another public good.
verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-30#1060244 Well, that makes most of my problems seem insignificant.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-30 15:44:43 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-30#1060229 << fwiw asciilifeform expects to starve. and not 'in lifetime sometime' but in next coupla yrs.
verisimilitude: While I don't live each day as if it could be my last, as I'd die with unfinished work, I'm trying to live a lifestyle where I wouldn't be extremely disappointed at dying without warning in ten years or so, not that I'd be able to feel disappointment anyway.
verisimilitude: Still, it's an empty sentence, since I still don't actually expect it. Surely there'd be some way to avoid starving, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not afaik.
verisimilitude: Sell the LispM if necessary.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: that's <1mo of run.
verisimilitude: Move in with someone here, perhaps?
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i suspect you do not know what means 'starving'. the mind dies long before the body.
asciilifeform has never valued anything more than solitude, and values it ftr far more than physical survival.
verisimilitude: I read it literally, yes.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: imho life ends when you can no longer think, not when no longer take a shit.
verisimilitude: While I also value solitude, I don't yet have it to the extent I'd prefer.
verisimilitude: Here's some recommended reading for maintaining solitude without money.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: not for me, ty
dpb: there's also an alternative to solitude, which is if you must be around other people, be around people who are your delight
asciilifeform: dpb: i have exactly 1 of these already, ty
dpb: i don't mean ship more people to where you are. I mean find people you like and ship yourself to them
asciilifeform: i aint shipping self anywhere, dpb , and not interested in debating this.
asciilifeform: not looking for advice, pity, etc, etc. simply wanted to give folx a heads-up.
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like giving notice at a salt mine.
verisimilitude: It's only natural one's acquaintances would try to help, without offering money, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: sure. i suspect asciilifeform poorly phrased the orig statement, provoking folx.
verisimilitude: I'd like to meet asciilifeform in-person, at least once, so I suppose I must try to do so within the next year or so.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i'd swear that i aint interesting at all in person, but you won't believe anyway
verisimilitude: Alright; I'd like asciilifeform to meet me in-person, at least once.
asciilifeform: maybe we'll meet in dpb's hell, verisimilitude
verisimilitude: Wouldn't we both have far more interesting people to talk to, then?
verisimilitude: After all, most interesting people would be in his hell, right?
verisimilitude: This conversation has reminded me of those whom I despise, and who live long lives in this awful world.
shinohai: asciilifeform & verisimilitude ... be sure to stop by shinohai's booth in hell. I'll have ladies and lemonade.
asciilifeform promises to stop by if on the way
signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-30#1060285 << tbh this is an exceptional way to live.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-30 18:35:37 dpb: there's also an alternative to solitude, which is if you must be around other people, be around people who are your delight
signpost does not live by his favorite people, so travels to them.
signpost: incidentally my interest in erasure codes has much to do with being able to huck packets to loved ones should this stop being possible.
signpost: at any rate I find no pleading in asciilifeform's statement. it's fact. we're probably all doomed.
signpost recalls a hilarious episode where he saw a woman frantically buying vegetable seeds at home depot at the beginning of covid.
asciilifeform gotta get the uwb-hf derivations to signpost before folds.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-04-27 23:24:36 asciilifeform: roughly speaking, 'uwb' over 0-30Mhz .
signpost would greatfully read anything on subj
signpost: should elaborate on doomed. why be sad? did you think you were going to get out of here alive?
signpost: this is the most liberating fact if fully absorbed.
signpost: one's ephemerality may be spent any way he chooses.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-30#1060310 << canonical text. rather dry tho, and inaccessible to english folx, and there is no equiv. in eng.; asciilifeform's notion was to translate key bits and publish w/ demo system.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-09-30 21:05:16 signpost: would greatfully read anything on subj
dulapbot: (trilema) 2018-07-22 asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, for thread-completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837154 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/astanin_kostylev.djvu << for the serious aficionado.