dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-15 23:40:21 verisimilitude: Lastly, it amuses me asciilifeform didn't argue much, because that would be akin to writing ``Hashes are voodoo, but where would we be without voodoo?''.
dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-08-08 asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that 'hash research' is presently not even yet at alchemy level, and stuck somewhere between haruspicy and astrology.
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 17 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.029s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696084
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696084
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.110s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696084
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.094s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696084 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696084
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696084
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696084
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696084 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.265s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696084
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.655s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696084
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.756s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696084 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $46417.15
asciilifeform looks at chart at randomly-picked gox, finds interesting how blatantly obvious is the work of the 'exch rate fire extinguisher'
dulapbot: (alethepedia) 2020-10-11 asciilifeform: erry time usd-btc exch rate becomes 'dangerously high' (~10k seems to be the tripwire, ever since 'system' established) usg dumps (or presses on a compliant asset to dump) a truckload of coin. does not even have to be cosmic qty of coin; simply enuff to trigger margin calls and set the idjit dominoes falling
billymg: anyone in here have any spectulation on the afghanistan situation? an actual USG defeat or just another CIA op?
billymg: speculation*
mats: its been a slow moving defeat for the entire time usg has been there
mats: the taliban now has a real shot at governing the entire country without the northern alliance to resist them, and if they can maintain peace, the chinese will include circuits through afghanistan in the belt and road initiative
billymg: in that case sounds rather encouraging for the patriots in idaho and surrounding terrain
mats: i don't know what that means
billymg: the people in red states who hate the feds and want to defend themselves with their rifles
mats: what does that have to do with afg
billymg: demonstrates that an indigenous people can defend themselves against a much more technically advanced and well funded adversary
mats: that's really not the whole story
mats: the reason why the soviets ultimately left afg is because the americans collaborated with pak isi to support and direct the afghan taliban
mats: this time around, the americans let the taliban keep the narcostate infrastructure they'd helped them build to fight the soviets, with all the attendant revenues, and the americans never got the pak state on side with rebuilding afghanistan
mats: the afghan taliban story of scrappy underdog is a good one, but it didn't happen under their own scrappiness
mats: or the kurds would have their own state by now
billymg: that's what i meant by my original question, whether this was an actual defeat or just some shuffling to put in place a different, but still friendly, regime
billymg: if usg had to compromise and didn't get exactly what they wanted ("rebuilding" afghanistan with the cooperation of pakistan, if i'm understanding correctly) then i would consider that a loss for them
mats: its not clear whether there was ever a plan beyond routing the taliban and AQ
billymg: AQ
billymg: ?
mats: al qaeda
billymg: ah
mats: the generous view is that us involvement in afg was for some misguided, overpriced strategic depth, to stymie pakistan and china
bingoboingo: One cynical view: cheap chinese fentanyl broke the CIA/etc's ROI in afghanistan
billymg: hey bingoboingo, how's it going?
bingoboingo: It's going
billymg: in that case sounds like the area just ran out of usefulness, in which case hard to chalk it up as a loss
mats: arguably one of the reasons why the taliban fell over so quickly in 01 was due to a prohibition on growing poppy the previous year
billymg: bingoboingo: better than not going i suppose
vex: did you go to Afghanistan mats? I've seen it from a jetliner window, the place looks epicly ancient
vex: asciiliform, do you have evidence of usg moving the price, or is that a synonym for free market fuckery
vex: did I read that the scraps from mtgx are finally detting didtrubuted? was that in the logs?
asciilifeform: vex: what wouldja accept as 'evidence' ?
vex: dunno, to me it's bltantly evident that a big stack can influence the price
asciilifeform: for asciilifeform , e.g. the destruction of (at this point, just about all) non-usg-controlled goxes (e.g. btc-e), the entirely open, as matter of policy, practice of selling ALL confiscated btc, the massive 'sell wall' that materializes whenever exchrate begins to climb, are evidence enuff.
asciilifeform: vex: there's exactly one entity with a ~neverending~ infinitely large stack -- the confiscator bandit.
vex: wallet inspector
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: vex: and reich not only confiscates, but prints.
dulapbot: Logged on 2020-05-05 19:56:14 asciilifeform: it worx because there's a neverending supply of a) dumb shits who see 'paper gold' as == to actual b) greedy shits who want 'leverage'
asciilifeform: papercoin.
vex: back in the day, all the bc was held by individuals, who are obstensively technically competent
asciilifeform: reich also aids in the proliferation of shitcoins (not the least of this aid is the non-prosecution of the perps, who, if they had carried out equiv. fraud using traditional paper, would sit with madoff) -- so as to siphon juice away from btc.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-07 17:51:40 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-07#1050571 << would be quite astonishing, given that ethertardium is usg's de-facto flagship shitcoin
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052661 << at the risk of repeating the obvious -- the roomtemp iq folx have fundamental problems, usg won't need to shoot'em, can cancel their wallmart.welfare.cards any day of the week and they know it. monsantoburgers dun grow on trees (not that iq70 folx necessarily remember how to plant a tree. or that one'd grow in their blightlands if were to be planted..)
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-16 18:31:28 billymg: the people in red states who hate the feds and want to defend themselves with their rifles
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052663 << homo redstateicus aint 'indigenous people'. for that matter, the inhabitants of vodka reservations aint, in the desired sense, either. utterly dependent on the palace for erry necessity of life, large and small.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-16 18:34:50 billymg: demonstrates that an indigenous people can defend themselves against a much more technically advanced and well funded adversary
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-05-24 18:40:16 asciilifeform: 'if you want food, and try to buy it from a farmer, the penalty is death by jaguars. you gotta go to the palace and if you're a good boy, the food dispensary will dispense you your allotted portion of gruel'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052676 << or possibly simply to churn inventory.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-16 18:51:54 mats: the generous view is that us involvement in afg was for some misguided, overpriced strategic depth, to stymie pakistan and china
vex: jaguars are no joke
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052680 << usg 'bringing them home' for the obvious coming 'pacifications' in north amer.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-16 19:04:33 billymg: in that case sounds like the area just ran out of usefulness, in which case hard to chalk it up as a loss
billymg: asciilifeform: that was one of my first thoughts as well, aim 'em at the "domestic terrorists"
asciilifeform: billymg: from last yr's 'police leaks' -- usg more or less openly gearing for 'counter-insurgency'(tm)(r) on own soil
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052698 << i don't think all of them are reddit larpers, i think some are able to grow own food, build own houses, etc. without walmart credit card
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-16 21:10:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052661 << at the risk of repeating the obvious -- the roomtemp iq folx have fundamental problems, usg won't need to shoot'em, can cancel their wallmart.welfare.cards any day of the week and they know it. monsantoburgers dun grow on trees (not that iq70 folx necessarily remember how to plant a tree. or that one'd grow in their blightlands if were to be planted..)
asciilifeform: frustratingly for the folx in charge of this function, the prey animals for this safari so far failed, for the obvious reason, to materialize.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-16 21:10:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052661 << at the risk of repeating the obvious -- the roomtemp iq folx have fundamental problems, usg won't need to shoot'em, can cancel their wallmart.welfare.cards any day of the week and they know it. monsantoburgers dun grow on trees (not that iq70 folx necessarily remember how to plant a tree. or that one'd grow in their blightlands if were to be planted..)
billymg: and i suspect the types that are especially competent and able to do so talk the least about it online
asciilifeform: billymg: all of 20 people, lol, perhaps, on whole continent. these aint about to 'take up arms', they are already quietly living in amish village.
vex is left wondering if he could train a jaguar cub to collect kangaroos for salami
vex: wheres the wot manul these days?
vex: in the logs right?
vex: I kinda take issue with the wot, rating folks with a few bytes
vex: I guess it's a pretty god representaion of huiman nature really
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052685 << >> http://dulap.xyz/pub/mirrors/qntra.net/2018/03/mtgox-coins-getting-dumped-in-waterfall/
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-08-16 20:56:09 vex: did I read that the scraps from mtgx are finally detting didtrubuted? was that in the logs?
asciilifeform: ( tho there may have been a more recent instance of same )
billymg: asciilifeform: i gotta ask, if situation is so completely hopeless, what keeps you going?
asciilifeform: which situation, billymg ?