b33r: -q
shinohai: $vwap
btcinfobot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 33398.31 USD
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 15 nodes...
watchglass: 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668613
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668613
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=668610 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.101s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668613
watchglass: 108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.192s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668611 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.148s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668611
watchglass: 176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.282s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=392432 (Operator: jurov)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.359s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668611
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.253s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668613
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.312s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668556
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.552s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=668611
watchglass: 84.16.46.130:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
verisimilitude: This recent Python drama is amusing in relation to Common Lisp.
verisimilitude: My Common Lisp programs still work, and will work decades from now, when Python 4 or whatever is being pushed next.
shinohai: verisimilitude: what is latest python drama?
shinohai also likes that when discovering decade+ common lisp items, they can be expected to still work with almost 0 fuss.
verisimilitude: The ``Pip'' is no longer working with python 2.
shinohai: Oh yeah I heard they were gonna nix support for Py2x stuff.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-02-01#1030678 << similarly, i've built ada-83 examples that work a++ on current gnats.
snsabot: Logged on 2021-02-01 14:27:12 verisimilitude: My Common Lisp programs still work, and will work decades from now, when Python 4 or whatever is being pushed next.
verisimilitude: The furthest back I've gone is Ada 1995.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-08 15:36:33 asciilifeform: upstack re c standard -- the authors of the standard found their hands to be tied , and ~forced~ to permit 'undefined behaviour' on acct. of total lack of meaningful standardization of ~iron~, combined w/ c's intrinsic failure to insulate against various machine-specific behaviours.
verisimilitude: Six of the CHIP-8 programs I've documented only previously existed as hexadecimal listings in an old magazine scan, and the newer games I've written should work in any emulator decades from now.
verisimilitude: People underestimate how easy it should be to write a program and then be done with it.
verisimilitude: This is, of course, a mixture of ignorance, stupidity, and cult brainwashing.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: the technical term for the 'normal' world where 'ohno, of course you can't build a 2014 proggy in 2021' etc -- is 'shit soup'.
asciilifeform: it's great for 'job security' of various lamers, but otherwise a massive tax on time, money, sanity, of errybody involved with either development or use of the resulting liquishit
snsabot: (agriculturalsupremacy) 2020-06-05 asciilifeform: ruby, iirc, takes this to a kind of logical conclusion -- ultimate 'job security' lang, where it is almost impossible to actually reproduce a given setup from 0. i also suspect that it is pushed by iron vendors (or at least, was, when moore's law illusion were in better health) as the thing takes ~100x the cpu cycles to do same thing even vs. perl (i.e. plays similar role to microshit's turdware during 1990s)
verisimilitude: I saw a demonstration of Ruby's new ``highspeed'' ``irb'' REPL lately.
verisimilitude: What took over eleven seconds to paste into a terminal ``irb'' session now only takes a third of a second. That's ``highspeed''.
verisimilitude: Well, a fifth, not a third.
asciilifeform: lol ( + oblig )
verisimilitude: It's at the point where I'd be surprised if a naive Lisp implementation still can't easily beat these languages.
asciilifeform: see also 'naggum's bathtub'.
feedbot: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2021/jwrd-logs-for-Feb-2021/ << Fixpoint -- #jwrd Logs for Feb 2021
thimbronion: asciilifeform: is this still a good guide for building a gentoo system? http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt
asciilifeform: thimbronion: mno. will ~not~ result in a working gentoo, as it features 'emerge --sync' from now-dead repos.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-08-20 17:50:24 asciilifeform: Aerthean: if you use this gentoo, you will probably also want to use my packages repo . in /etc/portage/make.conf , GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://dulap.xyz/gentoo/" .
asciilifeform: thimbronion: lemme know if yer setting up such a box and get stuck somewhere. i have a dozen of these going.
verisimilitude: Too few understand what a compiler is, which is a representation transformer.
asciilifeform: dpb: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=oanN and don't hesitate to ask if you get stuck.
verisimilitude: Thus, the (likely) only sensible way to write a compiler is as a term rewriting system.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: while not untrue, it is rather like to say 'the only sensible way to build a garbage truck is as a gas-expansion system'. i.e. not usefully specific.
verisimilitude: Very few aspects of typical compilers couldn't be expressed as static rulesets. Seeing a compiler express them procedurally in code is an obscenity.
verisimilitude: GCC probably has more files than lines of code I've ever written.
verisimilitude: Back to the original point, few even understand this.
verisimilitude: Too many use the idiocy ``transpiler'' in ignorance.
verisimilitude: Well, now I'm just remembering a tiny compiler I wrote which was rather procedural in nature, unfortunately.