adlai: shinohai: have you looked at my old 'cjhunt' abomination?
adlai: I guess the 'national sport' of CL is to reinvent as many wheels as possible.
adlai: see the three files under https://github.com/adlai/cjhunt/tree/master/src/bitcoin
adlai: fwiw, the code there is a classic example of abusing CL's flexibility, although I'll let shinohai read for himself to test his stomach for barf-worthy lispisms
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 11 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633354 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.097s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382
watchglass: 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.099s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.118s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633254
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.228s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.199s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.287s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.275s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382
watchglass: 188.121.168.69:8333 : (rev-188-121-168-69.radiolan.sk) Alive: (0.314s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.562s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=633382
asciilifeform: meanwhile, www comments .
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-06-06#1014268 <<< neat adlai, will have a peek. (Though I did get last night's problem solved)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-06-06 00:57:30 adlai: shinohai: have you looked at my old 'cjhunt' abomination?
shinohai: In "run moar segwit" news: https://archive.is/QIfLW
asciilifeform: shinohai: lol, complete w/ 'hardware' lollets
shinohai: Phonez that double as "cold storage" for coins are latest trend it seems, though why a device with always-on tcp/ip connection can be considered cold storage is beyond my ability to comprehend.
asciilifeform: or for that matter device that's routinely available to pickpockets, drops on concrete, etc
shinohai: Samsung claims the storage area for cryptocurrency isn't connected to internet, but I still don't grok how that works.
asciilifeform: in what sense is even 'cold' ? (which traditionally refers to privkeys put through printer to paper)
asciilifeform: shinohai: ah, then the usual fritz chip idiocy
shinohai: ^ That was precisely the article I was thinking of lol
asciilifeform: 'secure against owner'
shinohai: I suppose diceware and printing to paper is just too low-tech for most folks. (Not enough novelty)
asciilifeform: shinohai: the 'problem' with that is that hucksters can't get lamers to ~pay~ for it, it dun cost anyffin
asciilifeform: gotta sell that 500 $ magick box (that forces use of prb) somehow, neh.
shinohai: "I have these special dice, you see, that are injected with extra entropy. Not sold in stores, get them here exclusively for the low price of $99.95!"
asciilifeform: shinohai: wouldn't astonish me if turned out that someone were in fact selling (loaded) dice 'for bitcoinism' somewhere
asciilifeform: ( see also. )
snsabot: Logged on 2020-05-26 11:52:21 asciilifeform: fwiw i've yet to hear of any 'btc fortune' amassed via anything other than scamming. in that respect very similar to traditional moneys.
asciilifeform will leave alone for nao the q of whether ordinary toy store dice are suitable for safety-critical rng...
shinohai: It's not like the chimps from places like, say blockchain.com, can do any better than toy store dice. iirc they produced rng that spit out same privkey for hundreds of wallets.
trinque: anyone have any experience building texinfo? the motherfucker randomly fails only some builds.
trinque: I'm digging around, just seeing if this is in anybody's headcaches
trinque: src is known to be clean on every build; I copy src to /tmp/build/texinfo.XXXXXX to build
trinque reruns to get a fresh barf, will bbl and paste the output
shinohai: I had texinfo cause a headache when building that static gpg-1.4.10, will dig up the build notes in a bit if helpful.
trinque: shinohai: if you mean building texinfo itself; appears to be gagging on a translation-related file, which is curious given I'm configuring like this -> ./configure --disable-nls --prefix=$PREFIX LINGUAS="en"
trinque: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=6QCS << the barf
trinque: and it's a different file it can't find each time
trinque: also this isn't a parallel make, so I wouldn't expect race conditions stemming from that
trinque: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=pIsD << now the damned italians are to blame
shinohai: Mama Mia!
trinque: hm, might have something to do with building perl "native modules"; I've disabled that and got two consecutive successful builds
trinque: and now 3
trinque: gonna let this loop and bbl
trinque: (I could see, having been draconian about disabling dynamic linking, that I most likely have upset perl's module loader thing)
trinque: only reason for this piece of shit's presence is the circus of gcc dependencies that want it if you actually intend to manipulate the build system.
trinque: 5 builds, weee
trinque: *build system and docs
trinque bbl
feedbot: http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-06-06 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Common Lisp Control Structures
feedbot: http://mvdstandard.net/2020/06/us-cutting-troop-numbers-in-germany-by-9500/ << The Montevideo Standard -- US Cutting Troop Numbers In Germany By 9500
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc i had to manually cut the texinfo crapolade from at least gpg 1.4 before it'd build
asciilifeform: (and this even on traditional libc box)
shinohai: Ironically I didn't have to carve out texinfo from gpg until I switched to musl.
asciilifeform: shinohai: looking at my notes, this was on a bsd box
asciilifeform: (rather than trad.gentoo)
asciilifeform: afaik 'texinfo' is simply dross, does 0 useful
shinohai: (macrolet ((porn () <<< ghehehe @ adlai