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asciilifeform: ./ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: 6803.91
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 11 nodes...
watchglass: : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624226 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624217
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.097s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624127
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624119
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.098s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624226 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624226
watchglass: : Alive: (0.205s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=623162
watchglass: : Alive: (0.258s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624226
watchglass: : Alive: (0.356s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624023
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.356s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624226
watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
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asciilifeform: who operates ? that noad last worked nearly 1mo ago !
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-04 18:43:36 watchglass: : Alive: (0.527s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=620223
asciilifeform: wb PeterL
PeterL: hi asciilifeform
asciilifeform: PeterL: what've you been up to ?
PeterL: I'm as busy as always, my job was deemed essential so I am still working like normal
PeterL: Other than that, raising 4 kids etc., but I have been keeping up with the logs
asciilifeform: PeterL: similarly, i push bits for a living, would've been entirely unaffected by plague except that i managed to catch it, rotted for a few days, then back in biz.
asciilifeform: nao enjoying the clean air and quiet town, sorta like what mp was gloating about from his bananistan
asciilifeform: expecting to return to various loose ends shortly.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-13 22:13:26 asciilifeform: trinque: in miserable tards co., pretty busy. sold out 90% of the avail. amperage of rack. baking a const. time modular inverse finder. solid st. photomultiplier sample due in from germany, delayed by plague. phuctor rewrite ( stalled atm, devising better schema. ) node crawler. various misc. items too small to list.
asciilifeform: PeterL: where is your www btw ? can't seem to find link
PeterL: my blog is at
asciilifeform: PeterL: ty !
asciilifeform: ( oblig spam : PeterL , want a rk ? i have quite a few avail. )
PeterL: I am considering it, will let you know
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: can do on 1day notice, whenever.
asciilifeform: re : : oblig '40s classic .
PeterL: Not sure if it's clear there, but that was my daughter's writing (she's 11)
asciilifeform: aa.
asciilifeform: neato.
asciilifeform: PeterL: added your www to my links bar .
asciilifeform: spyked: plox to add to #a when you get a chance, ty
asciilifeform: PeterL: iirc you were a chemist ? didja get to cash in on plague hysteria ?
PeterL: asciilifeform: you said this channel is low volume enough that you don't need deedbot voicing, do you see any benefit to the voicing model for added security? Or do you just expect imprtant things to be in a different medium with a signature?
PeterL: Yes, chemist. We have a couple projects related to plague products, but not a whole lot more than usual
asciilifeform: PeterL: i decided to subscribe to trinque's new bot, but haven't ponied up yet ( warming up a tx sender for past coupla d. ) , and will enable voicing, there are still folx who aint in the wot who occasionally show up, will do my small part to prod'em into civilization
asciilifeform: at the same time chan voice aint any kinda replacement for actual signed texts
asciilifeform: ( e.g. all isp-related service req's are expected to be 1) signed 2) pgp to asciilifeform )
PeterL: When I logged in I was informed there were 2 failed logins, doesn't hurt to remind everybody to have password enforcement turned on
asciilifeform: all answers, ditto, signed by asciilifeform , pgp'd to requester
PeterL: makes sense
asciilifeform: PeterL: there are pw-guessing bots errywhere, i dun expect fleanode is any exception
PeterL: so, strange bug: I was looking at yrc by jfw , it has a v genesis. I checked the sig using gpg, looks ok. When I go f, it says "yrc_genesis.vpatch (asciilifeform)", which seems wrong.
PeterL: this is with version 99992 K
asciilifeform: PeterL: possibly you have a mislabeled pubkey file on your box ?
asciilifeform: ( or misnamed sig file )
asciilifeform: cuz i never signed yrc
PeterL: right, the sig is from jfw
asciilifeform: i suspect 'coarse error of pilotage'
asciilifeform: both mine and mod6's vtrons used filename to identify human-readable owner of pubkey
asciilifeform: ( it is expected that operator correctly names'em prior to emplacing in his wot dir )
asciilifeform: PeterL: pretty great v intro btw, imho.
PeterL: thanks
asciilifeform: PeterL: btw my most recent thought re generalization of v if you haven't seen.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-19 12:31:38 asciilifeform: elsewhere: this imho is a++ observation. and i'd like to share possible generalization:
PeterL: so if I only have jfw's sig in my wot dir, then it gives me the correct "yrc_genesis.vpatch (jfw)"
asciilifeform: this w/ mod6's vtron ?
PeterL: yes, as modified by diana_coman
asciilifeform: and what happens when add other pubkeys ?
PeterL: looks like it is just putting whoever is first alphabetically into the parens
PeterL: if I take out jfw's key then the flow is just blank, as it should be (should it warm me that there is a patch that does not verify?)
asciilifeform: PeterL: i just now set it up on my box. could not replicate your eggog
asciilifeform: yrc_genesis.vpatch (jfw)
asciilifeform: and that's with 1) mod6's 2) patches dir containing yrc genesis 3) wot dir containing jfw's pub and mine
asciilifeform: and my pubkey is 1st alphabetically in there, yes. but dun seem to trigger bug.
asciilifeform: ( tho i do get this when attempting press. possibly jfw was using old-fashioned sha512 hashing when he wrote this genesis ? )
asciilifeform: PeterL: note that i do not normally use mod6's vtron ( i prefer mine, as patched by phf for keccak, have been using this since it was published )
asciilifeform: actually strike that, above eggog from *old* from current, instead, this mysterious barf.
asciilifeform: ( the current presses e.g. ffa correctly. so nfi what gives. )
asciilifeform is prolly not the man to debug this, hasn't perled in ~decade
spyked: asciilifeform, I suspect that the ada exception comes from the lack of a single press subdir, I'm not sure vpatch was ever meant to handle this kind of structure
asciilifeform: hm indeed jfw's genesis has no subdir
asciilifeform: thinking about it, iirc someone noticed this a few wks ago elsewhere
asciilifeform: still doesn't explain PeterL's bugola tho.
spyked: indeed. could be a number of reasons why this would happen (broken gpg, broken perl?). PeterL, are you using gpg2 by any chance?
PeterL: gpg 2.2.10, should that matter?
asciilifeform: PeterL: Just Say No to gpg2
asciilifeform: it's broken in 9000 ways
spyked: <-- meanwhile done
snsabot: Logged on 2020-04-03 13:43:23 asciilifeform: spyked: plox to add to #a when you get a chance, ty
asciilifeform: if it's on yer box, all bets are off
PeterL: perl 5.26.2
asciilifeform: oh ty spyked !
asciilifeform: spyked: the 'kosher' gpg is 1.4.10
asciilifeform: err, PeterL ^
PeterL: is there an easy way to downgrade from 2 to 1.4?
asciilifeform: PeterL: mp's classic copy of subj
asciilifeform: remove 2.x ( back up yer privs ) and emplace 1.4.10.
asciilifeform: ./configure && make && make install
asciilifeform: lol
PeterL: ok, thanks
asciilifeform: shinohai: really oughta have prefix other than './' imho
asciilifeform: for that bot
asciilifeform: PeterL: np
asciilifeform: PeterL: thing builds on all, afaik, reasonable unixlikes, w/out modification
asciilifeform: the 1 where i had to patch it was crapple, but i dun expect this concerns you
PeterL: not in this case
asciilifeform: shinohai: interestingly, '-btcinfobot- Error: Not able to parse this command: "./configure && make && make install". Are you sure you spelled it correctly?'
asciilifeform: ^ apparently privmsg ?
asciilifeform: ( not showed up in log )
asciilifeform: imho this is bad practice, bot eggogs oughta go to exact same place where bot invoked, and not else
PeterL: but do you want your channel clogged up with bot errors?
asciilifeform: PeterL: if i triggered it in chan , then hell yes
asciilifeform: eggogs oughta land where the triggering cmd was issued, imho is obv.
PeterL: asciilifeform: the gpg source you linked seems to be gone now
asciilifeform: hmm
asciilifeform: PeterL: i'ma post mine, 1m
asciilifeform: PeterL: perma-copy now here ; signed, by asciilifeform , hash of it, already lived here .
shinohai: asciilifeform: Will look into the privmsg thing when back @ desk. Also guess could change prefix to be same as jhvh1 was or something.
asciilifeform: PeterL: i guess mp nuked that tarball as revenge for when asciilifeform rm'd the dir where had photos of self grimacing at mp, or sumthinglikethat
asciilifeform: shinohai: just pick a !letter, if you dun mind
asciilifeform: q and w taken, errything else afaik open
asciilifeform: PeterL: do remember to verify that hash, and the sig on my manifest , prior to using.
shinohai: Think I recall setting it like that because Telegram requires / as a prefix.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i might be the last 1 left alive who never used 'telegram' etc
shinohai: Necessary evil when one shitcoinz.
asciilifeform: shinohai: how's that ?
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought one could buy/sell shitcoins at goxes, via automated www
shinohai: Well most of shitcoin work I do is "Make this crap build on gcc 7+" type work, and the Shithub owners all congregate there or on Discord.
asciilifeform: aa, these
shinohai: Latest glibc "update" broke ~75% of coins.
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: wainot let'em stay broken ?
asciilifeform: just how much do they pay for this sorta honeywagon work
shinohai: Hey, if they wanna pay BTC for my time to fix, I'm taking it.
shinohai: Pay depends. If I have to accept some shitcoin and convert, I usually charge a bit more since I have to load it on an exchange and go through all that.
shinohai: I'd honestly rather abandon that sort of thing and acquire BTC via BingoBoingo 's journalism enterprise, but dunno what's gonna happen there yet.
asciilifeform: i'ma guess none of these folx ever heard of static linking, lol
shinohai: Nope. I suggested using musl, but then mining pools bitch because they can't use African linux to build it like everything else they do.
PeterL: does musl not build on "modern" Linux?
asciilifeform: afaik 'rotor' builds errywhere
asciilifeform: ( recall, 1st builds gcc, then builds musl-gcc , then $target )
shinohai: Sure, but lazy "mining pool techs" don't wanna do anything besides `configure && make`
asciilifeform: lol
shinohai isn't even sure any of 'em know how to do anything *besides* that ....
asciilifeform: shinohai: consider letting'em suck thumb, and running shitcoin pools yerself
asciilifeform: let'em starve.
asciilifeform: if they can't do elementary things.
shinohai: Also fun to watch 'em when release time comes around and "Gitian" builds suddenly don't work. God forbid you cross-compile something and don't make a deterministic build.
asciilifeform: shinohai: the lulzy meta-thread here is that shinohai apparently earns coin for this in heathendom, whereas asciilifeform , who sank months of sweat into making deterministic trb happen, in 'rich republic', made 0, lol
shinohai: Proof that folks will always pay for shit, as long as it's polished.
shinohai: Though hey, mike_c did throw you a nice little bone.
asciilifeform: he did ( was BingoBoingo's idea orig., i found it interesting that he agreed )
asciilifeform appreciated the bone.
asciilifeform: shinohai: other than isp, tho, i dun have any btc-denominated saleables atm.
asciilifeform: today just as 10y ago, not trivial to persuade folx to part w/ coinz
shinohai: My shitcoin work is almost non-existent since corona-chan surfaced.
asciilifeform: lol! wai would plague affect shitcoinism
shinohai: Dunno, I used to wake up to overflowing Inbox on Telegram, for last month or so - practically nothing.
asciilifeform: ha. did they all liquidate their shitc and buy kalash rounds , or wat
shinohai: Perhaps are hoarding coin to buy TP with.
asciilifeform: 'white gold'(tm) lel
shinohai: lmao
asciilifeform: shinohai: at least over here -- the most fascinating imho epidemic is of cowardice. the shops in fact have 'white gold', but when you go in , yer the only 1 there but for the clerk..
shinohai: There is high level of retardation the further South you go in USSA. Here no >10 in store at a time, nearly all clerks wearing gloves.
asciilifeform: hm i thought 'epicentre' were in north usa
asciilifeform: nyc & surroundings
asciilifeform: where, supposedly, 'cemeteries filled up' etc
shinohai: Likely is, here it's the same phenomenon as when snow flurries are announced. Instant store runs.
shinohai: Idjuts will -no shit - put chainz on tires.
asciilifeform: lolwhy
shinohai: No one can drive on 1 inch of snow or greater here. Boggles my mind.
asciilifeform: aa i thought you meant ~now~
shinohai wouldn't be surprised to see rednecks attaching gun turrets to roof of 4wd in case need to mow down asians .....
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asciilifeform: damn.
asciilifeform takes off hat.
thimbronion: I am in a relatively rural/mountainous area. Lots of fresh meat, potatoes, veggies, no flour, rice, beans, spam, yeast, etc.
asciilifeform: hey jurov , iirc yer tuned in ? what's the plan there ?
asciilifeform ftr will continue to maintain trb, run nodes, etc. with or w/out help from who remains of tbf. but would, ideally, prefer 'with' .
snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-26 16:13:05 asciilifeform: bvt: ; and use with or hash file of same format of your choice.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-04-03 10:35:44 watchglass: : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624226 (Operator: asciilifeform)
asciilifeform: likewise, there are at least 2 known folx w/ a commercial interest in trb ( trinque , jfw ) who i expect aint entirely indifferent .
asciilifeform: imho no one who holds even 1 coin oughta be indifferent to trb. but, naturally, 'один с сошкой -- семеро с ложкой', many folx think that 'oh i'll be able to use coin anyhow, who cares' etc
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-19 13:06:30 asciilifeform: it is entirely troo that bandwidth and disk have cost, and schemes where 'один с сошкой -- семеро с ложкой'(tm)(r) ( 'one -- with a plow, seven -- holding spoons' ) are doomed .
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 11 nodes...
watchglass: : Could not connect!
watchglass: : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624261 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624119
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.149s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624127
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.158s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624261 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: : Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624261
watchglass: : Alive: (0.149s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=623220
watchglass: : Alive: (0.158s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624261
watchglass: : Alive: (0.282s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624023
watchglass: : ( Alive: (0.384s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=624261
watchglass: : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
trinque: asciilifeform: honestly given the plague, sovietization, and etc., decruftment of trb is as important as it ever was.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I'm unsure yet what is happening there either, but for the sake of getting a commitment here at the start I'm leaning towards modest sum paid in advance to each you and thimbron for minimum 1 piece weekly for three or six months
BingoBoingo acquired spiffy voice recorder without import dance. Price under what folks selling lesser ones requiring import dance asked.
asciilifeform: trinque: defo.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neato. the kind w/ tapes ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Digital. Ended up with a "field recorder" for general av use instead of a "voice recorder" for taking notes and interviews. A bit bigger than I was shooting for given current year, but interesting piece of kit.
shinohai: <<< sounds nice BingoBoingo. I have wanted to submit newsworthy items before today, but have found little of interest that isn't stoopid plague news.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-04-03 18:52:00 BingoBoingo: shinohai: I'm unsure yet what is happening there either, but for the sake of getting a commitment here at the start I'm leaning towards modest sum paid in advance to each you and thimbron for minimum 1 piece weekly for three or six months
shinohai: At any rate, you have my commitment to submit articles, hopefully at rate equal during my Qntra tenure.
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neat. nao you gotta actually corner somebody & use it in anger
asciilifeform: in misc. lulz, asciilifeform finally found a 100% ata-compatible ssd for msdos lappies. appeared very solid, too, heavy aluminum thermal shell. but then found that it is 0.5mm too wide! to sit down in the hole. milled it down to fit. wtf do folx w/out mills do...
asciilifeform: and wtf , vendor had a defective ruler or wat. srsly
asciilifeform: in my memory, this is a 1st of its kind.
asciilifeform: (at the risk of restating the obvious -- prior to doing this, take the pcb out..)

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