shinohai: BingoBoingo: so is this end for Qntra, or will you continue to operate when dust settles? http://trilema.com/2020/closure/#comment-147793
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I intend to continue
shinohai: Great. Will rejoin #agriculturalsupremacy when back at desk to see what goodies you have planned.
asciilifeform: #t mothballed, eh
shinohai: Appears so.
asciilifeform wonders whether each of the remaining players will get own 'why worthless and oughta be sewn into leather seat cover in my mercedes' article by mp
asciilifeform: ./ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: 5271.64
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 10 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621488 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.050s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621488
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.136s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621488
watchglass: 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.096s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621488 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.155s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621488
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.226s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621488
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.358s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621488
watchglass: 188.121.168.69:8333 : (rev-188-121-168-69.radiolan.sk) Alive: (0.324s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621488
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
asciilifeform: imho this is fascinating twist in the otherwise unsurprising finale.
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-12 diana_coman: and eulora is the flagship game, not a tmsr-something anyway
shinohai: Appears s.mg will be only thing left on mpex after this.
asciilifeform: shinohai: effectively was already the only item there with a (nominally) full piggy. the interesting bit is that the $maxint piggy dun seem to do it any good. the co. has precisely 1 programmer and nothing resembling 'biz model' afaik
asciilifeform never grasped what kept mp from hiring 5 or 6 moar dianas , with money, and baking a working game
shinohai: Only room for one DC, the other 5-6 must be knob-polishing slaves.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i expect some of the 5-6 will retool and continue 'slaving' (which to date consisted of... talking about 'write os' ??)
shinohai: The game sorta works I guess, and could even be fun. My biggest complaint is no easy way to convert btc to ecu in-game. Must wait until "eulora preferred trader" is online or whatthefuckever.
asciilifeform: shinohai: afaik the only readily-available os where it 'sorta worx' is my dulap-gentoo...
shinohai: Gentoo indeed took a lot of the "wtf!" outta building it. How many hours I wasted troubleshooting shit on Ubuntu w/ n00bz.
asciilifeform: ( could also ask what a fella w/out a working noad is doing running 'btc in-game game' but dun expect anyone can answer )
snsabot: (trilema) 2020-03-13 mp_en_viaje: what i'll do is, come the 15th ima sweep the address into one of the web wallets and pay the fellows from there (at their own risk).
asciilifeform: mod6 you can come outta hiding nao, you've already been, if haven't yet noticed, defrocked
shinohai: Beware, the Ides of March.
asciilifeform: lol
shinohai: Oh hai danielpbarron
asciilifeform finds somewhat interesting the 'cult to religion upgrade' presently being attempted by certain #t folx. may even 'work', supposing the 'god' doesn't ruin it by succumbing to temptations to pick up microphone , thereby pouring sand in the gearbox...
asciilifeform: consider, the christians lost their 'mp' 2k yrs. ago, but to this day sit around chewing cud re 'what jizzus would have wanted', 'works' if you will.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I have you to read anyone that makes more sense than mp - although I must admit I was unable to follow most of his articles from the last 12 months or so.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: he had quite a few a++ pieces, 2013-2016 largely imho
thimbronion: sorry - should have been "I have yet to"
thimbronion: asciilifeform: yes - I could decipher those and they were riveting. Re-read many times.
asciilifeform: on my www i have iirc at least 2 dozen diff. mp essays linked, in various places.
thimbronion: A side effect of ingesting so much Trilema is that I'm put off reading almost anything modern.
thimbronion: I actually feel nausea when, say, browsing a list of newly published books on Amazon.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i quit 'modern' in fact long before contact w/ mp.
thimbronion: asciilifeform: how is your Latin?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: if he ever does permanently pack the ball an' go home permanently (atm not convinced, tbh) will defo be remembered imho as 1 of the great net crackpots of the era
asciilifeform: thimbronion: approx on par w/ my ro
thimbronion: asciilifeform: intermediate?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: thimbronion: tbf i prefer reading it in ru translation (~lossless, unlike eng)
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I enjoy interlinear translations when I can find them (not for Latin, but for Greek).
asciilifeform: hrm for some reason i thought thimbronion were a specialist in classical langs, didn't need translations
thimbronion: Not specialist. Self taught mostly, took some university classes.
asciilifeform: ah
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-03-13#1008863 << I find mention of MP to be conspicuously absent outside of these chans.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-13 14:33:08 asciilifeform: thimbronion: if he ever does permanently pack the ball an' go home permanently (atm not convinced, tbh) will defo be remembered imho as 1 of the great net crackpots of the era
asciilifeform: thimbronion: i can't resist to ask, where you looked, where 'absent'
asciilifeform: these folx, for instance, all had read various mp.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-15 19:44:36 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'let's drill in the deep sea' adventures : made a shot at enculturating nominally-smart folx in ru space. these ended up concluding : 1) 'qntra is paid by putin' 2) 'mp is paid by putin' 3) 'dirty liar, you've never been to usa, but stole the name of a harmless american crackpot' 4) various other lulz, will omit for brevity.
asciilifeform: ( found this somewhat surprising. as did the fact that they also had read even my www. ~that~ , i could not explain )
thimbronion: A - well english language blogs blogs, twitter, podcasts.
asciilifeform: if yer telescope shows 'what google indexes' -- then yes, 'no one read mp'
asciilifeform: thimbronion: iirc mp himself once explained to you wai you won't find any orig. material in english 'blogs, twitter, podcasts'.
asciilifeform: the amt of material on the net in eng that aint mildly-rearranged reich propaganda, would fit in thimble .
asciilifeform: ( and the whole point of twatter, reddit, etc. machinery is to prevent you from coming into contact w/ the contents of that thimble )
feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2020/03/vsh-part-5-fixes/ << bvt's backtrace -- v.sh part 5: fixes
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I suppose I could attempt to find all links *to* Trilema. mp of course already has this.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: find how, exactly ?
thimbronion: Excluding the pingbacks which are already there in plain sight.
asciilifeform: crawl entirety of public www ?
asciilifeform: pingbacks dun work worth a shit on off-the-shelf wp's
thimbronion: How is the question.
asciilifeform: ( and plenty of sites ain't wp variants of any sort )
thimbronion: Yep.
asciilifeform: at various times i found cn, jp, ru, etc sites where links to mp, and that was w/out any special effort to look
asciilifeform: you simply won't find'em by asking washington's search engines, lol
thimbronion: How did you find those?
asciilifeform: thimbronion: from own apache log, they had linked to something in mine also
asciilifeform: could've sworn i'd pasted examples in #t at some pt. but nao cannot find.
asciilifeform: bvt: as it appears yer in search of hosting, i cannot resist to spam : i've 19 (!) rk's avail. (and yes ghost of moham^H^H^H^Hmp would not approve but) they're avail. on 1d notice.
snsabot: (agriculturalsupremacy) 2020-03-13 bvt: BingoBoingo: given that my blog was hosted on your machine for so long, and the current situation: will you provide a commercial offering for shared hosting? i'm really thankful for the service you have provided so far, and imo it's not correct if i continue to use it for free further.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'tests of faith' !
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-13 jfw: diana_coman: given all the volume of btc he's dealt in and the depth of his resources and processes, and that mpex withdrawals aren't a new process for him at all, why would he be counting on a brand-new thing plus perfect preparation from me as only alternative to a worst-possible transaction tool?
shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-03-13#1008852 <<< this is prolly right, guy doesn't like staring at reflection in pool solo for too long ....
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-13 13:52:29 asciilifeform: finds somewhat interesting the 'cult to religion upgrade' presently being attempted by certain #t folx. may even 'work', supposing the 'god' doesn't ruin it by succumbing to temptations to pick up microphone , thereby pouring sand in the gearbox...
asciilifeform: shinohai: wai solo. he's got the inpatients, + diana et al
asciilifeform: + own reflection ( 'i could spend next 20y just rereading own site!' etc )
asciilifeform tangentially, recently went for a dive into jfw's publications. and admits, fascinated by the parallels w/ e.g. gabriel_laddel's attempt.
asciilifeform suspects that all attempts at 'fix linux' ultimately go to same place
asciilifeform: ... and that the more dedicated, the more studious, the author, the ~sooner~ gets to that place.
asciilifeform: will expand, for whoever's curious. in such attempts, once all the fixable-without-rewriting-50y-of-shitcoad are handled (or author ~thinks~ 'handled'), he is confronted with choice of 'what now'. the laddelian choice is 'now i will say 'spreading works' and offer for sale'
asciilifeform: the other possib. choice, afaik, is 'now i have editor, compiler, kernel, that'll run for so long as my stash of opterons lasts, oughta be good for 40yrs' and 'let's design new irons'
asciilifeform: 'tertium', afaik, 'non datur'.
asciilifeform: option #2 won't getcha 'rich', in fact ~certainly goes to unmarked pauper's grave. the catch is that #1 goes to same place, but to folx who 'drank cool-aid' the fact is less obvious.
asciilifeform: illustrative example: for all the shit that gets thrown at rms et al, erryone is ~still~ inhabiting the rubble of the house that they built. whereas the 'commercial unix' vendors , 1980-2000, left a grave on which even the piss has long evaporated and unmarked on any map.
asciilifeform: imho esp. clear example, because the product in both cases was approx. same rubbish. but in the hands of 'let's get rich', one pile turned to dust sooner than other (which has since caught up, after certain folx successfully 'got rich off' what was once linux)
asciilifeform bbl.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/03/former-florida-mayor-caught-with-overdosed-male-companion-and-methamphetamine-appearing-substance/ << Qntra -- Former Florida Mayor Caught With Overdosed "Male Companion" And "Methamphetamine Appearing Substance"
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 11 nodes...
watchglass: 192.151.158.26:8333 : Could not connect!
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537
watchglass: 108.31.170.3:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.098s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.094s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.148s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.219s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537
watchglass: 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.416s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537
watchglass: 188.121.168.69:8333 : (rev-188-121-168-69.radiolan.sk) Alive: (0.400s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=621537
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 20 sec.)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-03-13 16:30:55 asciilifeform: imho esp. clear example, because the product in both cases was approx. same rubbish. but in the hands of 'let's get rich', one pile turned to dust sooner than other (which has since caught up, after certain folx successfully 'got rich off' what was once linux)
asciilifeform: '... however, this is not going to make anybody billionaires. solving problems never does that. if you want to get rich, you must _never_ solve a problem, only make more and more bogus ways to make it progressively less annoying, yet keep it in everybody's mind at all times.'
asciilifeform: ( orig. link )
trinque: how are you miserable shits anyhow?
trinque tips hat
shinohai: Oh hai trinque how goes?
asciilifeform: ohai trinque
trinque: it goes, and went
asciilifeform: trinque: in miserable tards co., pretty busy. sold out 90% of the avail. amperage of rack. baking a const. time modular inverse finder. solid st. photomultiplier sample due in from germany, delayed by plague. phuctor rewrite ( stalled atm, devising better schema. ) node crawler. various misc. items too small to list.
asciilifeform: what have you been up to, trinque ?
trinque: been working on generalizing the lispwad infrastructure
asciilifeform: i.e. deedbot ?
asciilifeform: generalizing in what sense ?
trinque: yeah, working towards something I can install on w/e box (linux-based), eats fasls from trusted key, bolts into an RPC interface
trinque: early days on it
asciilifeform: that sounds splendid actually
trinque: glad the rackquest worked out for ya
asciilifeform: (i.e. vtronically-aware commonlisp, if i correctly understand)
trinque: photomultiplier is in re: fuckgoats2?
trinque: using v for srcs of course, but haven't grafted it deeper into the package mechanism or anything.
asciilifeform: trinque: correct. and no i dun expect it will 'bestseller' , but so happens that i need a MB/s+ source of entropy for certain other planned experiments. and so will be produced (and published.)
trinque: nifty, will await and see
asciilifeform: trinque: was looking for ways to bring the cost down to 'human' range , orig. design was due to cost 1k (usa) just in photomult.
asciilifeform loox fwd to reading trinque's exposition of signed-fasl's mechanism.
asciilifeform: trinque btw while yer tuned in: consider to make deedbot a subscription service. if the price is right, i'd like to subscribe it for #a .
asciilifeform: i expect other folx will take an interest also.
trinque: it's on my mind.
trinque: there's a lot of cleanup that needs to be done, as I was developing as a lisper along the way
asciilifeform presently must attend to meat, bbl
trinque: cya
shinohai: ./ticker btc usd
btcinfobot: Current BTC price in USD: 5596.22
shinohai: ./vwap
btcinfobot: The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 5580.59 USD