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asciilifeform: spyked: feedbot down ??
shinohai: Because it pisses him off to see people call him a liar!
asciilifeform: shinohai: i admit, tuned out 3y ago when d00d was 1st asked 'sign w/ the gpg key or addr privs' and in return 0
shinohai: It's good 'ol popcorn drama, same as reading #trilema logs most days.
asciilifeform: i guess
asciilifeform: the thing to remember is that courts wank can be dragged out for decades at an end, and requires no 'new facts' but only bottomless supply of dough
asciilifeform: 'broken record' will play for so long as someone winds it.
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spyked: asciilifeform: bot's back up, sorry for the downtime
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asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz from the other berlin : git emulator for v !
asciilifeform notices that it's still in the #a feed. spyked , when you have time, plox to drop that rss from #a, ty
shinohai: It'll work well with those embedded signatures in V that are such a "security risk" or whatever.
shinohai: *vpatches
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc there he was talking about classical gpg being sad (which -- it is, the fattest hash avail. is sha512, so most of avail. bits in sig are wasted)
asciilifeform: ( and incl. other, well-documented sads )
snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-06 23:01:16 asciilifeform: shinohai: it is trickier in the general case, because some folx apparently have been signing with 'subkeys' (and gpg 'helpfully' lies to user, and tells him that he's using '$keyid' regardless)
shinohai: Well no one debates gpg as being steaming pile. I'm just not comprehending the "detached sigs are evil" part.
asciilifeform: shinohai: imho my hypothesis adequately explains.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-15 17:38:02 asciilifeform: detached sigs are indep. of the signed matter and of ea. other, which gives decentralized ( folx dun need to 'ask permission' to sign ) and lang-indep. system.
shinohai: You're prolly right. Hail Casear the great and powerful.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i sincerely hope that mp et al actually try to bake this, it'll be hilarious to watch ( where signing e.g. linux kernel will need coupla 10,000s of rsa invocations, auto-recognition of 'what lang' so to get the comment & demarcation syntax, and coupld 10MB of entropy.. )
asciilifeform: folx who insist to sniff glue -- no one can stop; even if in the desert, the gods themselves will send down glue from the heavens for'em to sniff.
asciilifeform: shinohai: for bonus lulz, he wants to use the slow rsa from my wastebasket (aka 'eucrypt'). so promises to be interesting.
shinohai: Oh? I missed the part where "use eucrypt" instead of ffa
asciilifeform: let's do for lulz some arithm. i have a linux-3.16.70.tar handy, and inside 47452 files. now, a modexp (2048bit!) on ye olde koch-rsa eats 0.639s on my machine. so that'd be ~8.42 hours. not counting the hashing (my timing example did not include hashing, had pre-baked operands).
asciilifeform: for 4096b rsa, multiply this by ~1.7...
asciilifeform: this of course also assumes that generation of entropy is instantaneous..
shinohai: ./calc 8.42 * 1.7
btcinfobot: 14.314
asciilifeform: now, if this not already lethally lulzy : this 8.42hr is also what (on this example iron) will take to ~verify each signer in .wot~ on said kernel.
asciilifeform: ( tho in verification you dun have to wait for entropy gen, unlike in signing. but do have to do a hash & modexp for each signature )
shinohai: So `v press kernal.vpatch` come back next day to build?
asciilifeform: depending on how many signers -- next week. and not to build, but to press.
shinohai: ouch.
asciilifeform: nao admittedly a ~50k-file vtree is pathologically obese. but, recall, new генеральная линия партии : multi-GB vtrees!
asciilifeform: shinohai: ffa wouldn't help appreciably, against this. in fact all medicine -- powerless.
asciilifeform: ( an iron rsatron , in pci card, ~might~, but they'll have one some time after they have mars colony )
asciilifeform: see also j. mccarthy's 'folx who refuse to do arithmetic -- are doomed to talk nonsense' .
asciilifeform: new, exciting era, of geological-time algos w/ multi-GB inputs. and no 'wreckers' to prevent this glory. how can not cheer ?
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asciilifeform: meanwhile, re recent 'make fleanode peer ?' thread : from horse's mouth :
snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 23:23:32 asciilifeform: considered 'bake a fleanode peer' at one point, then thought 'do i want ~that~ in my cage?' and meh
asciilifeform: 'Servers are hosted, not linked. They are maintained remotely from central sites. New configuration files are generated via an automated script at a central location, and new servers are either staged as binary files or recompiled on the server account, depending on architecture and other factors.'
asciilifeform: 'We manage and update software using a centralized configuration management, for which we will need root access. We may create user(s) for the ircd, change core file limits, file descriptor limits, and other modifications as necessary to sustain IRC connections from thousands of users. We also need servers for non-ircd roles.'
asciilifeform: i.e. 'give nsa large box in yer rack for phree'. no ty.
asciilifeform: lulzy, imho, that anybody thought there exist 'independent fleanode noads'.
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asciilifeform: wb mats
mats: i live. i die. i live again!

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