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asciilifeform: spyked: feedbot down ??
shinohai: Because it pisses him off to see people call him a liar!
asciilifeform: shinohai: i admit, tuned out 3y ago when d00d was 1st asked 'sign w/ the gpg key or addr privs' and in return 0
shinohai: It's good 'ol popcorn drama, same as reading #trilema logs most days.
asciilifeform: i guess
asciilifeform: the thing to remember is that courts wank can be dragged out for decades at an end, and requires no 'new facts' but only bottomless supply of dough
asciilifeform: 'broken record' will play for so long as someone winds it.
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spyked: asciilifeform: bot's back up, sorry for the downtime
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asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz from the other berlin : git emulator for v !
asciilifeform notices that it's still in the #a feed. spyked , when you have time, plox to drop that rss from #a, ty
shinohai: It'll work well with those embedded signatures in V that are such a "security risk" or whatever.
shinohai: *vpatches
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc there he was talking about classical gpg being sad (which -- it is, the fattest hash avail. is sha512, so most of avail. bits in sig are wasted)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-06 23:01:16 asciilifeform: shinohai: it is trickier in the general case, because some folx apparently have been signing with 'subkeys' (and gpg 'helpfully' lies to user, and tells him that he's using '$keyid' regardless)
shinohai: Well no one debates gpg as being steaming pile. I'm just not comprehending the "detached sigs are evil" part.
asciilifeform: shinohai: imho my hypothesis adequately explains.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-01-15 17:38:02 asciilifeform: detached sigs are indep. of the signed matter and of ea. other, which gives decentralized ( folx dun need to 'ask permission' to sign ) and lang-indep. system.
shinohai: You're prolly right. Hail Casear the great and powerful.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i sincerely hope that mp et al actually try to bake this, it'll be hilarious to watch ( where signing e.g. linux kernel will need coupla 10,000s of rsa invocations, auto-recognition of 'what lang' so to get the comment & demarcation syntax, and coupld 10MB of entropy.. )
asciilifeform: folx who insist to sniff glue -- no one can stop; even if in the desert, the gods themselves will send down glue from the heavens for'em to sniff.
asciilifeform: shinohai: for bonus lulz, he wants to use the slow rsa from my wastebasket (aka 'eucrypt'). so promises to be interesting.
shinohai: Oh? I missed the part where "use eucrypt" instead of ffa
asciilifeform: let's do for lulz some arithm. i have a linux-3.16.70.tar handy, and inside 47452 files. now, a modexp (2048bit!) on ye olde koch-rsa eats 0.639s on my machine. so that'd be ~8.42 hours. not counting the hashing (my timing example did not include hashing, had pre-baked operands).
asciilifeform: for 4096b rsa, multiply this by ~1.7...
asciilifeform: this of course also assumes that generation of entropy is instantaneous..
shinohai: ./calc 8.42 * 1.7
btcinfobot: 14.314
asciilifeform: now, if this not already lethally lulzy : this 8.42hr is also what (on this example iron) will take to ~verify each signer in .wot~ on said kernel.
asciilifeform: ( tho in verification you dun have to wait for entropy gen, unlike in signing. but do have to do a hash & modexp for each signature )
shinohai: So `v press kernal.vpatch` come back next day to build?
asciilifeform: depending on how many signers -- next week. and not to build, but to press.
shinohai: ouch.
asciilifeform: nao admittedly a ~50k-file vtree is pathologically obese. but, recall, new генеральная линия партии : multi-GB vtrees!
asciilifeform: shinohai: ffa wouldn't help appreciably, against this. in fact all medicine -- powerless.
asciilifeform: ( an iron rsatron , in pci card, ~might~, but they'll have one some time after they have mars colony )
asciilifeform: see also j. mccarthy's 'folx who refuse to do arithmetic -- are doomed to talk nonsense' .
asciilifeform: new, exciting era, of geological-time algos w/ multi-GB inputs. and no 'wreckers' to prevent this glory. how can not cheer ?
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snsabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 23:23:32 asciilifeform: considered 'bake a fleanode peer' at one point, then thought 'do i want ~that~ in my cage?' and meh
asciilifeform: i.e. 'give nsa large box in yer rack for phree'. no ty.
asciilifeform: lulzy, imho, that anybody thought there exist 'independent fleanode noads'.
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asciilifeform: wb mats
mats: i live. i die. i live again!
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