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shinohai: Move over fuckgoats:
asciilifeform: shinohai: it's 'artistic'. ( in seriousness -- there's a reason i did not use geiger tube -- they have quite short life, towards the end of which they misbehave at length )
shinohai: I <3 Nixie tubes. Would certainly look nice around house.
asciilifeform: in other noose, this apparently nao settled.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 15:04:33 asciilifeform: diana_coman: very simple. when mp issues fatwa, on what side of the razor wire will diana_coman be found ? i do not yet know.
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-12-26 mp_en_viaje: in other housekeeping, hey diana_coman lobbes wouldja mind taking alf's derpy alt-bitcoinwizards off the loggers header list ?
asciilifeform: if anyone else is tuned in who 'i'ma tune in until mp orders otherwise' , invited to leave .
shinohai: lulz
asciilifeform: earlier lulz so much the lulzier in this light.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-05 17:56:59 diana_coman: gah, would you stop with the berlin wall and fatwas and whatnots.
shinohai: ./seen diana_coman
btcinfobot: diana_coman was last seen 2d 19h 17min 51s ago in #asciilifeform saying "asciilifeform: lolz@keeping out commenters really."
asciilifeform: lobbes , apparently, also put to this q, but not woke up yet.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-30 22:49:36 lobbes: << also fwiw, I have 0 plans to prevent asciilifeform from using auctionbot. I'll even bring it into #a if requested
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-30 20:54:50 asciilifeform: shinohai: ftr i refuse to use any heathen-built 'gateways for coin' etc. can use only a) 'fiatola from own pocket always, coin goes in storage' or b) BingoBoingo-style auctions. but even before expulsion where i lose access to (b) entirely, it was mixed bag -- delivered severely under-market exch rate, and w/ wildly variable delay
asciilifeform can finally resolve this loose end.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-04 15:11:18 diana_coman: asciilifeform: do me a favour and judge me as a person, make your determination & rate me accordingly, I'm fine with whatever it might be.
asciilifeform finally updated ratings.
asciilifeform: local copy, for the curious, given as trinque's www updates slowly.
asciilifeform: in other noose, loox like not 1 but 2 of asciilifeform's isp subscribers nao have working trb nodez ! congrats folx.
asciilifeform: this brings trb noad population just nearly to piz-era level.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ever think about standing up a logger ?
asciilifeform: congrats, btw, shrysr , on finding your spine .
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-12-26 shrysr: I'm more concerned abt being honest here, than some self image. hmm, its not related to ego, because its not. I dont see the need to ack king, and if there is a Link as you say - then as of today - i'm not convinced it is a wholesome link, and I dont think it conforms to idea of republic. That being said - the utility i derived and was
lobbes: asciilifeform: I'm logging #a in a segregated location if you still want logz (this is zzz999).
lobbes will bbl; attending meat matters for the holidays and will have sporadic terminal access until ~Jan 2
asciilifeform: lobbes: aite.
asciilifeform: lobbes: what's the commandprefix for zzz999 ?
lobbes: !z version
zzz999: I am bot version 597858.
asciilifeform: ty.
lobbes: np
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have thought about, have not had time yet to do
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's pretty easy to do (except on some outlandishly-broken os) . when you attempt it, if you run into problems, lemme know.
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shrysr: asciilifeform: :) well i was kicked from chan for it.
asciilifeform: shrysr: asciilifeform fwiw was kicked out of more places than can even readily count. and in most cases, in retrospect, can complain only that not kicked soon enough. e.g. mp's group, would rather have been kicked 3y ago than where fella pretended ( and a gullible asciilifeform -- believed ) that we had a mutually-beneficial proj
asciilifeform: shrysr: it's rather like being expelled from e.g. 'scientology', or catholic church, or nsdap. yes if you ask l. r. hubbard, the pope, hitler, 'will never amount to anything without the holy communion.' and in some cases even will be right. but not in fact because 'there is no meaning outside $church.'
shrysr: ^ yes. I think the 'some cases' portion is what had me considering the problem for a long time whether I was .. wrong. The logs are voluminous and its not easy to get context.
shrysr: asciilifeform: would you be willing to share your thoughts behind chained biobot ? tbh i wanted to ask you before speaking up in #o... well you have said inquire here.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-26 16:51:59 asciilifeform: local copy, for the curious, given as trinque's www updates slowly.
asciilifeform: shrysr: a biorobot is a creature appearing nominally human, but in fact entirely the puppet of another. ( may or may not go through contortions to deny the fact, 'i have my own judgements!111' , etc )
asciilifeform: shrysr: in particular case of diana_coman -- hung around #asciilifeform after asciilifeform's 'unpersoning' for no entirely clear reason ;
asciilifeform: mouthed various noises re 'respecting', but was really 'i'ma tune in and wait, maybe oyster births more pearls that i can steal, until mp orders to tune out'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-28 20:06:09 diana_coman: asciilifeform: you ARE fully capable of so much that it honestly hurts to see you *not* doing what you'd actually do great.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 14:24:59 diana_coman: fwiw and as previously stated in #t quite publicly at that, I still find for instance FFA just as before: a gem (or a pearl, perhaps that's the subtle clarification)
asciilifeform: shrysr: when i contributed e.g. this, or this, to diana_coman & co.'s (commercial!) company, did not ask for money. but naively expected, not even a 'thank you', but at the very least not to be shat on.
asciilifeform: this turns out was 'gross error of pilotage', did not understand the ~kind~ of folx that was working with.
asciilifeform: or, say, when wrote'em a logger ( which incidentally 3mo after mp: 'this is shite ,and borders on sabotage', these folx ~still using~...) -- guess what.
asciilifeform: shrysr: was quite interesting/educational experience tho : turns out fleas, in fact, think of their dog as parasite, and saboteur, too, 'bastard won't secrete tasty blood on command', 'steals our flea warmth', likely. if fleas could speak...
asciilifeform: shrysr: what you arguably 'missed out on' is, working for yrs w/ people who secretly have nuffin but contempt for you, and then to have errything that aint bolted down, stolen, and attributed to cultists-in-good-standing. which i suppose is interesting experience, the way a plane crash is, and perhaps erryone oughta get personally acquainted with 1nce.
shinohai: <<< But forbid the name of author's channel should be on the header list!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-26 22:14:00 asciilifeform: or, say, when wrote'em a logger ( which incidentally 3mo after mp: 'this is shite ,and borders on sabotage', these folx ~still using~...) -- guess what.
asciilifeform: shrysr: some folx are ~very~ talented at psychological manipulation and will take errything you got, and then some, and in return give 0, and will then expect eternal gratitude from ~you~ .
asciilifeform: shinohai: mp in fact (by own admission) never read #a. but what he has problem with, is n00bs by some slim chance finding out where he cribbed all of the mechanical tech that distinguishes him from the apes.
shinohai: mp-logbot any day now.
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc lobbes (?) promised to make one for him. but somewhere along the line broke teeth.
shinohai: Best I can tell, guy *never* read many other chans, prolly too busy staring at own reflection in pool.
asciilifeform: shinohai: tbf i'm prolly the last remaining 1 who reads ~errybody~ in the orchestra, in ~realtime
asciilifeform: but it's arguably bad habit
shinohai: I mainly just glance over tmsr-related logs nowadays, no real need for someone like me to pore over logs like religious text anymore.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, and then you wonder why folx fled to heathen-land or whatever you call the * outside of the republic
asciilifeform: ohai Apocalyptic
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: asciilifeform's concept of 'republic' was somewhat diff. from mp's (and the latter let it slide, while 'was convenient'.)
Apocalyptic waves
Apocalyptic: to be fair kako's sacking was the first sign
asciilifeform saw it as 'alliance of the smart, against the stupid, enabled by late 20th c electronics'. the other fella -- occasionally seemed to concur, but really was moar interested in re-creating a kind of mechanized 'scientology'.
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: i found it difficult, and still do, to feel any sympathy for kako -- who raked in at least 700 btc (by own admission) via complicity in mp's early schemes
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I heard phuctor is coming back online, I have some more full/partial factorizations of some keys of interest I saved back in the day
shrysr: it is worth a lot to know.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-26 21:36:46 asciilifeform: shrysr: asciilifeform fwiw was kicked out of more places than can even readily count. and in most cases, in retrospect, can complain only that not kicked soon enough. e.g. mp's group, would rather have been kicked 3y ago than where fella pretended ( and a gullible asciilifeform -- believed ) that we had a mutually-beneficial proj
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: indeed is coming back. currently rewrite is in the worx ( there were some ugly bugs, in the old system, where 'rubble bounce' i.e. same key generates repeated 'news items' when small additional factors found; and various places where wasted cycles )
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I likely don't know all the backstory to the bibet case, but to outright take coins because "I don't like yer face" at you put it is more than dubious
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: at the time, mp made a (convincing , to asciilifeform , at the time ) argument that kako had attempted to defraud him during liquidation. i believed the former rather than the latter because it was , as the americans like to say, 'he said - she said' argument, and saw mp as friend , kako -- enemy.
asciilifeform: fwiw to this day i have moar respect for e.g. mp, than for the 'early btc people' e.g. kako. the latter entirely were disinterested in ideology, or any larger picture than own myopic swine trough interest.
Apocalyptic: now with mike_c we see a similar case but stretched even further, "he went idle and didn't contribute to the republic!!!!" as justification to confiscate coins
asciilifeform: tbf afaik that case still open, sentence not yet pronounced on him
asciilifeform: and in fact he had asked to surrender to BingoBoingo , so complicated story, which i have no standing to comment in
snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 03:50:58 mike_c: heh, have fun. BingoBoingo: I'm signing off, funds will hit that address tonight.
Apocalyptic: indeed it is not, but simply the fact that it is a case *at all* is telling
shinohai: ^
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: 1 of the reasons i was willing to work w/ mp was that it was (and imho still is) pretty clear that he was not out to steal coin (dun need to)
asciilifeform: ~may~ steal coin, if somehow finds it impossible to run the ego-stroking machine w/out doing so, but generally -- avoids.
shrysr: 'the fact that it is a case at all is telling' were my thoughts as well, but as asciilifeform says I have no standing to comment in either.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, that's nicely summed up
adlai: << estimated solely within mpex, and computed only from withdrawals (rather than mere "realized profit" within an account), 1 btc per annum ; across all experiments, deeply negative, due to two severe incidents and several other coarse-although-survivable ones
snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-24 17:05:06 asciilifeform: adlai: if it aint a seekret : what's the answer if you divide ( coin earned by yer bot ) / ( hours taken to write it ) ?
adlai: caveats: this is an order-of-magnitude estimate, sane to base somewhere between phi and pi
Apocalyptic: adlai, hey, didn't you use to run scalpl on other venues as well ?
asciilifeform: adlai: before encountering mp , i wrote a proggy similar to yours, to trade on 'metals' markets. also deeply negative (if i were to put ~any~ positive value on the time taken.) and i threw it out once realized that all such markets are built such that 'cannot win against house', they e.g. 'front-run'.
asciilifeform: adlai: but, note, did not walk away with a 'they defrauded me', cuz they didn't. any moar than e.g. las vegas 'defrauds' the naive kid who walks in and 'i have a system!!111 for roulette'
asciilifeform: generally the only thing you can do w/ 'card sharks' is ~not to play~ with'em
shrysr: i'm curious to know asciilifeform's pov about 'negrating', i.e what does a -1 rating mean to you? I hope it goes beyond superficial /childish considering that you are logging all the chans
snsabot: (trilema) 2019-11-04 mp_en_viaje: mod6, i'm sorry, i don't have the time/patience to follow alf dramaz. re being negrated and mpex function, in general : i've always to date sent people their shit ~before~ negrating them, because indeed the substantive meaning of my negrating you is that you can't use any of mine / my friends' shit anymore. this hasn't prevented the occasional asshole from making the occasional false claims, which situation hasn't much int
asciilifeform: shrysr: you're likely to get a diff answer from erryone re 'what do ratings mean'. i think of self as operating by orig. methodology mp himself wrote in '14, where 'rating is hint re how certain you are that $player is what he says he is'
adlai: caveat #2, "hours taken to write it" includes both those spent mulling over the project during most of my idle hours from february-ish 2014 until delisting of S.MPOE, and the hours spent diddling the running bot's "magic numbers" by hand when mulling hit "muller's block", i.e., merely meditating on what the idealized program was too far removed from behaviors of the actual artifact, and most
adlai: importantly, does not include hours invested in learning common lisp and maintaining those parts of my brain during a few years away from the etchable brick
asciilifeform: adlai: i cannot speak for your case, but in mine, also init. thought 'learned something!', turned out -- not particularly
adlai: scalpl has intangible value, due to resting right on top of the keystone bridging between the ada process model and bordeaux-threads
adlai: this does not mean it has any tangible value whatsoever, since my little pile of dried out mudballs lives by the slag heaps of Ericsen, ITA, and, well, the entire high-frequency trading industry
adlai: but somehow it still feels more productive than warez, porn, and 2048
asciilifeform: adlai: in my experience, the 'mudballs' that won't regret in n yrs, are the onces that stand alone,rather than mud on top of some other fella's mud.
adlai: yes indeed.
adlai: though if my linty dust has percolated a finer topology than that of others, it is because a giant's hands, though they may grow from stronger shoulders than mine, often make coarser balls!
adlai: Apocalyptic: yeah, i've published every API attempt in the github repo, and even survived long enough to delete the BTCe code :(
asciilifeform: adlai: do you have a www ? what have you published since this misadventure ? ...or gave up and became a farmer, or what didja do ?
asciilifeform: i'd liken to ask Apocalyptic same q
adlai: still coasting on the whorls of generosity, at, which is technically not quite 'www'
asciilifeform: adlai: (oblig spam!11) yer in my l1 -- wanna get an rk ?
asciilifeform: prolly in fact is cheaper than whatever you got presently
adlai does not own the domain registration, nor have any physical access to the dedi enclosing http served from aforelinked jail
asciilifeform: adlai: mechanical price calculator.
Apocalyptic: adlai, I'll admit at some point I too did harvest some volatility from the markets, was an order of magnitude more profitable in 2017 than now
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: at the risk of repeating self -- what've you done since '17 ?
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, no www to answer your previous q, as for current q nothing worth mentioning here
asciilifeform: really, nuffin at all ?!
asciilifeform: it is pretty strange to meet in 2019 a fella on the net ( i.e. not goat farmer in afghan ) who has no www, and insists that did not even do anything worth to put on www
adlai: asciilifeform: it's not a fair comparison with my current expenses, since i am a parasite upon my parents (who keep the leptons alternating, water pressurized above sea level, etc) ... "you can pay for these things, but not in cash"
asciilifeform: adlai: unless you expect to inherit megabux when they die, better learn a trade
adlai: no such expectation. allegedly, their most valuable promised inheritance is that the mortgages that infest Uncle Sam's Groupies, are not subsequently owed by their children
asciilifeform: adlai: i wasn't aware that debts made heritable already in the reich. fwiw my progenitors pretty serious re 'no debts', even pre-paid own funerals (you can do that in usa...)
adlai: fwiw, apparently even if you don't mortgage and try to outright buy land in israel, the government still "owns" the land, and merely agrees to lend it to the landed populace for a century or so
asciilifeform: adlai: not effectively different from usa, where 'own' but owe % tax erry yr until heat death of universe
adlai: this is perfectly logical, no? the friction due to impedence mismatch, between the universe's yearning towards infinitude, and the actual unboundedness of human stupidity
adlai: anyway, i should sleep, and maybe even get myself to a calculus midterm tomorrow
asciilifeform: 'nighty adlai
adlai: gngh!
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, suppose I spent the last 2 years locked in a cabin in the woods with only a computer, pencil and paper going through number-theory papers, learning and experimenting on various toy problems for the simple pleasure of doing so
Apocalyptic: would there be anything to publish, and if so why ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: i like to publish even failed experiments. perhaps cultural difference, nfi.
asciilifeform: arguably most of what's on my www, represents failed experiments.
asciilifeform: still publish'em, could easily save someone from having to repeat.
asciilifeform: 1000+yrs of sad folx tryin' to bake perpetuum mobile, could say yielded 0, but could alternatively say yielded laws of thermodynamics.
asciilifeform: ditto the alchemists.
asciilifeform bbl.

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