#asciilifeform | 2019-12-04

asciilifeform: theoretically if had exposed die, could in fact bring out whole thing to a4 film, tube is a needlepoint 'microfocus' w/ beryllium window.

asciilifeform: beam source pictured there.

snsabot: (trilema) 2019-02-16 asciilifeform: in other noose, instrument pr0n : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/mx20/panel.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/mx20/inside1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/mx20/achtung.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/mx20/inside2.jpg

asciilifeform: wasn't much of an experiment, Vexual , was equip. test really.

Vexual: I see

Vexual: You made some nice images

asciilifeform: i still have the instrument, it will be handy when next batch of defective pcb ends up on desk.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-08 22:10:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and i admit that i'm looking forward to seeing folx grow hands in the process of trying to remake / do w/out , e.g. FG. i expect that diana_coman for instance will soon find out why i needed a microscope, and why it would have been pretty great to have the (such hated by mp) xray instrument when crates of subtly defective pcb's come in from factory.

Vexual: still got film?

asciilifeform: indeed

asciilifeform: perhaps strangely, the least grainy film was that dental crapola from india. rather than the 'proper' a4 kodak.

Vexual: lol

asciilifeform: 'fuji a4' , also grainy, for thread-completeness.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: India produces pretty much all of the world's medical supplies consumed outside the US. They probably do sufficient volume to refine their quality.

asciilifeform: possibly film is blameless, oughta have used straight exposure instead of scintillator sheet.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~in~ us also

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last time I was there, all the generic drugs were "Teva" outta Israel, but that may have changed.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'teva' makes the pseudo-generics, i.e. that price-fixing scheme where 1 usg-designated vendors gets to 'genericize'

asciilifeform: y'know, where 'generic' xyz still costs 900$/bottle, instead of the 10c would've cost if made su-style

asciilifeform: (ameri-damaged folx are , as i gather, expected to fall on knees and thank Great Inca that it's 'omfg 900 and not 9000 like orig brand' )

BingoBoingo: Right, but they US also has that weird thing where they gotta fund their unsinkable aircraft carrier on the Mediterranean that for some reason can't stop drawing aggro

asciilifeform: absolutely nuffin that sits on a standard pharmacy shelf costs > 1$ / bottle to actually make.

BingoBoingo: Here everything is Euro brands or India doing their patent pissing thing

asciilifeform: ( there are expensive oddities like e.g. human butyrylcholinesterase, 'v-gas' pre-battle antidote, but it aint in plebe pharmacy )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: israel lives off usg's 'intellectual property'(tm)(r) fairy tale to much greater, afaik, extent, than the phree tanks/jets/etc

BingoBoingo: Well... it's a soviet shithole like Uruguay... without the cows or the space to do cows.

asciilifeform: they can annex the petrostans and get 500x bigger whenever they feel like taking off the washington yoke.

Vexual: How so?

asciilifeform: 1.5e6 bayonets + supposedly decent armour + not fucking cousins, oughta be good for some lebensraum, neh.

Vexual: folks don't like dying these days alf

asciilifeform: errybody , lol, dies, 'like' or notlike

Vexual: true enough

asciilifeform: iirc adlai described serving in tank platoon and eating lsd inside tank outta boredom.

BingoBoingo: I thought the orthodox population breeding with rabbits did the cousin fucking thing. Hence their weird genetic conditions.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these afaik dun get drafted en masse, yet

Vexual: i suspect adlai decided not to die that day too

asciilifeform: Vexual: y'know some folx in usa actually move there ? just to join army and maybe see action

asciilifeform: (because in usa army : e.g. this . )

snsabot: (trilema) 2019-03-01 asciilifeform: at one time did work that put'im in contact with these folx. met a d00d who, convincingly, described playing 'call of duty: iraq' on... lappy, in actual iraq

Vexual: i did not know that

asciilifeform: war is essential 'vitamin' for sanity, for man. 'civilized' world cooks in own juices, i'm entirely convinced, because no proper war to be had.

asciilifeform: tabletop death in tabletop 'war' aint quite satisfactory substitute, turns out.

Vexual: engineer always stays behing to extricate machine. dangerous job

Vexual: 2 hands only

asciilifeform: iirc adlai was driver-mechanic aha

asciilifeform: 'мехвод' on asciilifeform's homeworld.

Vexual: can't read but i get it

asciilifeform would guess that they have a similar neologism, there, il bureaucracy is closely modeled on ye olde sovok, for the very obv. reason

Vexual: where?

asciilifeform: israel

Vexual: ah

asciilifeform: 'peace' for most folx is ~= waiting to die of boredom in crowded train goin' nowhere.

Vexual: Most folks

Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3kQKTbjzs

asciilifeform has been reading jfw's proggy. e.g. this is pretty interesting -- apparently fella not only read ffa series ( how far didja read, jfw ? ) but in fact did sumthing constructive !

asciilifeform: this here also imho interesting : 'An implication of this encoding is that even though [TRB] only emits uncompressed form, and no implementation has ever to my knowledge used hybrid form, there are three P2PKH addresses spendable by any given private key, and a consensus-compatible verifier must support all forms.'

asciilifeform: wonder whether the historic chain contains all 3 variants. and what would happen if one were to construct 'doublespend' crowbar re same.

Vexual: only just clicked on this. it's definitely worth looking at

Vexual: did you have some vodka?

Vexual: i expect police

Vexual: if you got a proper enlarger.

Vexual: i might be talking out of turn

Vexual: is this the guy with a new cr house?

Vexual: here my .za accent

Vexual: wot kikban

Vexual: i'll solve myselft into a devilish pit

Vexual: vex out

shinohai: In other fun this morning:

shinohai: 08:21:17 shinohai !eval: +

shinohai: 08:21:17 mal-bot #<Proc:0x0000562e855866c8@/home/malbot/mal-bot/core.rb:31 (lambda)>

asciilifeform: shinohai: what's that ?

shinohai: It's an eval bot for the https://github.com/kanaka/mal chan. I was determined to find *which* implementation it used xD

asciilifeform: shinohai: lulzy. there's e.g. an amazingly ugly (rampant heapism, among other ughs) ada lisp in there

shinohai: Yeah I saw it and kind lul'd ... I was experimenting with the bash version (which with a few tweaks is very nice for scripting)

shinohai: I managed to get it to perform a few bitwise ops, eg:

shinohai: ./eval http://btc.info.gf/paste/c14a6d@raw

btcinfobot: a = 88

btcinfobot: b = 13

btcinfobot: Left shift of a and b is: 720896

btcinfobot: Right shift of a and b is: 0

btcinfobot: BITWISE AND of a and b is: 8

btcinfobot: BITWISE INCLUSIVE OR of a and b is: 93

btcinfobot: BITWISE EXCLUSIVE OR of a and b is: 85

btcinfobot: [00;32mNIL[0m

shinohai: (apologies for spammy output)

shinohai 's main gripe is the clojure-like syntax heh

shinohai: http://archive.is/nICsM "It looks like [this file] tries to exfiltrate SSH and GPG keys from a user's computer and send them to this IPaddress: http://68.183.212.246:32258."

shinohai: `pip3 install rekt`

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: potential q fodder ^ there .

BingoBoingo: Giving the thing a look

shinohai: I promise not to come and make provocative comments.

asciilifeform: spyked: can plz add jfw's www to the feedbot roster for #a ? ty

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/12/some-key-stealing-libraries-found-in-python-package-index/ << Qntra -- Some Key Stealing Libraries Found in Python Package Index

asciilifeform: will link manually : jfw has an optimized keccaktron . tested; builds, seems to work (matches output of the traditional one by diana_coman when set to 256bit capacity.)

shinohai: I'm still trying to fix esthlos keccak ... it does build and work properly, but as I discussed w/ spyked cannot pipe stdin to it, can only read from file.

asciilifeform: shinohai: fella in fact found an algebraic simplification for the thing, i gotta take off hat

asciilifeform: this is iirc 1st time anyone posted an algo imho worth cribbing, since apeloyee vanished

asciilifeform: !q seen-anywhere apeloyee

snsabot: apeloyee last seen in #trilema on 2018-01-17 15:25:16: !#s whisperers

asciilifeform: i'ma crib an' adaize jfw's method after i 'fit in head' w/ paper & pen..

shinohai: I saw his post in logs on scheme bits for trb, will read posts when time permits.

asciilifeform: shinohai: he has a (apparently complete, tho i did not test) secp256k1 engine in there. tho to use in 'peh' i'ma need to make physical bounds analysis for it.

asciilifeform: ( jfw's bignum system is made along traditional line, i.e. permits expanding bitnesses for integers )

asciilifeform: ( even to run on plain ffa, rather than in peh proper, would need this. e.g. what is max bitness of 'scalar*' output ? )

jurov: asciilifeform: FG serial output is 5V or 3.3V ?

asciilifeform: jurov: 3.3. it'll work w/ 5v-eating converters tho, is above the typical 2v high threshold .

jurov: can't find usb serial cable, considering rpi which is 3.3V device

asciilifeform: jurov: oughta work. so long as you feed FG 5v on the + pin as it expects.

asciilifeform: jurov: didja get both of yer crates btw ?

jurov: yes, both

asciilifeform: ok good

asciilifeform: jurov: make sure to config the tty as shown in the instruction (to disable controlflow 'magic' chars.)

BingoBoingo: jurov: ty for the update.

BingoBoingo: All 4 arrived in good condition?

jurov: BingoBoingo: yours not yet

BingoBoingo: AH

asciilifeform: ftr : if anyone finds that he has damaged his FG , plz contact not asciilifeform , but jfw , if want to buy spare parts ( jfw purchased the entire stock of spare analogue boards . )

asciilifeform: ( i do not know if he's making'em available for purchase, but that's where they are nao. )

asciilifeform: jurov: if yer feeding it ~from~ a 'raspberry', make sure the pin can supply at least 3mA @ 5v .

asciilifeform: jurov: one of my early tty converters had a 3.3/5v selector jumper, but it affected only ~output~ (tx), recall that FG does not accept any ~input~ from comp.

asciilifeform: FG is a pure output dev. (like e.g. microphones.)

asciilifeform: ( it ~can~ be forced to accept external ~clock~ pulses, in 'yoke' mode, see instr. sheet. but this is prolly not of interest to most owners. )

jurov: rpi has 5V Vcc pin to feed various "shields", it can surely do 3mA

asciilifeform: jurov: is this yer 1st FG ? ( for some reason i thought you had some prior )

jurov: first one

asciilifeform: a.

asciilifeform: congrats jurov

asciilifeform: jurov: i highly rec to carry out the traditional tests , before using in battlefield.

asciilifeform: ( see the user test reports linked on the legacy www re how. )

asciilifeform: jurov: if planning to use in a server, see the photo there ^ , or here , i've yet to find a rackable machine where there is nowhere for at least 1 FG to live.

jurov: yes, thx. and it it works, 7.3kB/s of fine distilled garbage :)

asciilifeform: a+++

asciilifeform: being an entropy collector, FG ~likes~ heat. put'em near warm things, like e.g. raid card as shown in latter link

jurov: ok

jurov: the second one works too

jurov: fun fact, rpi runs getty on /dev/ttyAMA0 by default... and it quickly segfaulted

asciilifeform: lol fg fed into shell... pretty good 'fuzz'

asciilifeform: if only you had recorded what it had eaten...