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snsabot: Logged on 2019-12-02 21:46:36 asciilifeform: hey jfw : is your scheme wallet prototype published somewhere ?
jfw: asciilifeform: possibly textbook case for 'peh' from what I gather :)
jfw: but first I need to make it work at all before revisiting numerics.
asciilifeform: jfw: possibly. but i must admit that not yet tried to ecc under peh, there may be required number-theoretical knobs that are missing
asciilifeform: in re bitcoinism specifically -- the archaic hashes required are defo not in ('off the shelf') peh, likewise.
jfw: Nothing but grade-school arithmetic and modular inversion (which uses same) required for ECDSA. The 256-bit modular reductions are the slowest part for me afaik; hashing in Scheme slow too but not the bottleneck.
asciilifeform: theoretically oughta be easily 'pehable' then
asciilifeform focused exclusively on rsa, to date, so not had chance to attempt
asciilifeform: jfw: re hashes, commented on your www .
asciilifeform: jfw: re ecc -- part of why asciilifeform avoided to implement ecc (even tho ultimately it must be done, for a solid btctron) is that safety-critical mechanisms imho oughta be implemented by people who ~understand~ how they work. i understand how rsa worx. but ecc, presently, not.
jfw: ty for that comment asciilifeform, makes good futher context. Isn't RSA in that same snake-oil category though?
jfw: one can understand what it does but factoring not proven to be "hard"
asciilifeform: jfw: not quite same. rsa rests on specific conjecture.
asciilifeform: indeed , factoring not-proven to be hard.
asciilifeform: ( and , worse, rsa (unlike e.g. rabin's method) not afaik proven to rest entirely on the difficulty of factoring. )
asciilifeform: however it is a number-theoretical method, and to date survived 4 decades of number-theoretical approach. unlike the transpository shell games which , historically, fell like rotten trees at 1st serious push.
asciilifeform: merely attempting to do a serious analysis of hash or symmcipher is painful enuff that there's scarcely any public material worth the mention re subj.
asciilifeform: this for instance is the best crit i've found re keccak. and even it, half bilgewater.
jfw: do you reckon anyone understands ECC in the sense you have in mind, beyond "code does what the paper says it should and we can't see how to break it yet" ?
asciilifeform: re symmciphers, ~100% of academitard analysis specifically sits on 'reduced round' (i.e. crippled) variants rather than the real thing
asciilifeform: jfw: it isn't clear to me that anyone understands it, in that (yes, you correctly summarized) sense.
asciilifeform: rather, beyond 'this is equiv. to what paper specified' sense.
asciilifeform: jfw: ecc also has an 'interesting' political history (usg pushed it aggressively for ~20y, and w/ entirely fraudulent claims of '256b ecc is equiv to 4096b rsa' etc)
jfw: alright. Sometimes the reduced rounds findings add up to real breakage, like with sha1, right? (I'm not well versed in cryptanalysis whether bilge or pure)
asciilifeform: for all i (or anyone else) know -- bitcoin per se orig was a constructed bomb, by fella who knows the boojum for ecc.
asciilifeform: jfw: sometimes indeed, but very rarely author of such material substantiates the claim of 'adds up to real break'
jfw: 'we will all go together when we go' -Lehrer
asciilifeform: '...will all bake together when we bake..' indeed

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