asciilifeform: ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma post example when i get back to cockpit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was suggesting a simpler thing than 'incompatible with internet' -- 'incompatible with intel's built in bus diddler logic'
asciilifeform: 'Whitelist-only networking may help contain the vulnerability, provided of course that it's not implemented on Cisco equipment.' sounded like it was about lan filtration, so not same idea
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i observed, in old thread (where? not found yet..) that one cheap counter to boobytrapped x86 would be to make an incompatible Gb nic.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu recently discovered that you gotta buy a colo if you want to emplace something as small as even a FUCKGOATS
asciilifeform: 'On Wednesday, large chunks of network traffic belonging to MasterCard, Visa, and more than two dozen other financial services companies were briefly routed through a Russian government-controlled telecom under unexplained circumstances that renew lingering questions about the trust and reliability of some of the most sensitive Internet communications.' didjaknow.
asciilifeform: and so conceivably side channel remains ( not only current per se, but how does cpu current consumption affect clock jitter? betcha it does. and afaik 0 public discussion of this, exists. )
asciilifeform: also irritating is the fact that, while we have constant-time routines, it is impossible to guarantee constant-current (yes)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ runs in SAME space, and same order of complexity , as the old routine...
asciilifeform: and diana_coman holy SHIT is that method 1001x moar complicated than mine.
asciilifeform: in this case, detecting overflow simply during the addition stage, works : 0110 + 1100 sets the carry , because result is 10010.
asciilifeform: i'll review, for the l0gz, the 'ancient egyptian' mult algo, which is the simplest practical, and illustrative of the difficulty of determining overflow ~while doing the mult~ in fixed space.
asciilifeform: let's formalize the problem statement. N is integer, N>1 . x, y are int, 0 <= x < 2^N; 0 <= y < 2^N. determine an f, such that f(x,y) is true iff x*y >= 2^2N ; such that complexity of f is less than that of * operation.
asciilifeform: 'This paper presents efficient methods for performing unsigned or two's complement integer multiplication with overflow detection or saturation. ' supposedly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's, for simplicity, take 3bit regs :
asciilifeform: aha. who the hell knows what a grown-up german empire could've been like.
asciilifeform: however peace treaties between megaempires are a lul.
asciilifeform: every civilization gets ample warning of death. nobody cancelled death yet.
asciilifeform: for physical human to employ, at any rate, yes, quite verboten
asciilifeform: 'If I employ a gardener, I have to earn £3 for every £1 he can actually spend, because everything is taxed twice, first as my income, then as his.' << not only still true in today's reich, but today it'd be 10 : 1 .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649794 << hatetobreakit: an algo where you can do this (e.g. the egyptian mult in my example) IS a fixtime algo. that's what they are..
asciilifeform: i bet most of these were simply never scanned.
asciilifeform: phf: egyptian algo is , afaik, the simplest that's at all practical
asciilifeform: 'It is the most advanced and secure instant messaging protocol to date. This is why the designers got an award in front of a conference full of seasoned cryptographers and security engineers a week back for improving Real World Cryptography. ' << from turd in earlier thread. that thing is ~bottomless lulzmine.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: how do you intend to distinguish this situation from impostor ?
asciilifeform: he can also log into your box, say, and impersonate ~that~ way.
asciilifeform: describe, for my enlightenment, the actual algo contemplated, Framedragger
asciilifeform: and in the end, 'We acknowledge that the issue exists and will work towards fixing it. ... I will say this very clearly once again: there is an avoidable security flaw in the Tox handshake. This is not something someone made up. The effect is that if your secret key is stolen, an attacker can impersonate anyone to you. We will fix this issue, most likely by adopting Noise for handshakes.'
asciilifeform: 'You might benefit from a bit of humility before comparing your protocol to OTR and SIGMA, both of which were groundbreaking works created by experts, as opposed to a slapdash protocol...'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: how, precisely, is any bignumtron possibly turing-complete ?!
asciilifeform: plenty of room for improvement in phuctor.
asciilifeform: looks like latest copy, is simply same, but with new endorsers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely possible that it wasn't in the orig sks dump
asciilifeform: ( and i will note, all -- afaik -- implementations of bignumtron, fail this litmus )
asciilifeform: kyoto cl. clisp. franz. lispworks. scineer. (last one - i never tried, cannot say with certainty how standard-compliant)
asciilifeform: the saddest thing about ada is that there is only one. ( only one properly-specified, multi-implementation typesafe language that can build for small (kB ram) as well as large systems . )
asciilifeform: ( and i did not even post any example of use, much less a makefile. so we have here a fella who definitely does his homework ! )
asciilifeform: 'Can’t attain the security property against attacker who compromises the kernel, but some people worry about theoretically approximating it for some reason.' << this kernel fixation.
asciilifeform: complete with link to 'factorable.net' in place of phuctor.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: re earlier thread : i looked far and wide to possibly buy rng to compare with -- and found nothing worth buying ( no, i won't compare with whitened; i won't pay 20,000 $+ for a box of schematicless ??? ; etc )
asciilifeform: no complaint on my end.
asciilifeform: mod6: the thing to compare against would be another UNWHITENED rng.
asciilifeform: mod6: one of my chronic irritants re testing fg is that i have nothing whatsoever worth comparing against.
asciilifeform: no optimizations of any kind whatsoever. ( in fact, pessimizations, e.g. comparisons all take same amount of time regardless of where difference is, or whether there is one. addition of 0+0 takes same time as, e.g., 2**256 - 1 + 2**256 - 1 . etc )
asciilifeform: the other principle is simplicity above all else save correctness.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: end goal is specifically something that specifically mircea_popescu could read, while emptying a glass of rum, without any booklarnin' required. and grasp it.
asciilifeform: the second -- sets the maximal number of computational steps.
asciilifeform: note that 'fz' size can be whatever you like. it simply has to be set at warmup time.
asciilifeform: ( expensive in complexity , rather than cpu )
asciilifeform: this seems like masochism except when you realize that 1) compiler does not give you access to carry flag, portably, or ever will 2) carry flag is a non-mathematical (external) abstraction that cannot be SPARKized
asciilifeform: Shift_Right(N, pos) shifts right n positions. (compiles to, e.g., SHR RAX, 1 ) etc
asciilifeform: phf: it isn't global, it is part of the 'generic' definition (analogous to cpp template.) will become apparent when you read entire thing.
asciilifeform: paste is not a complete proggy, but excerpt, to put the arithmetical statement in context.
asciilifeform: deceptively familiar-looking to ~every schoolboy. however most programs a n00b writes -- end up not compiling.
asciilifeform: 'The advertised unit is a keychain that plugs in through the headphone jack of a mobile device, meant to interact closed-source app to provide impenetrable crypto. This crypto is said to use a one-time pad (OTP) system. The design, photos, prototype, and social networking vibe feel all too similar to the vaporware you’d expect a San Francisco based startup of 5 college students to poorly slap together and unload to unsuspecting ven
asciilifeform: 'He recruited a former hedge fund salesman named Kyle Ferguson as co-founder and launched Wags Lending, thinking dog leases would mark just the first step in a vertically integrated pet-financing company that would eventually include food deliveries, chew-toy subscriptions, and veterinary loans. Then their point-of-sale lease financing became a hit, and they decided to double down on it.'
asciilifeform: the unspoken corollary, is that sometimes there is ~no~ speed-critical component. at which point you can optimize for something else entirely.
asciilifeform: usg is involved -- so naturally $1k bedpans, $200k bedpan-emptying-specialists.
asciilifeform: 1) collect btc from chumps 2) 'get hacked' 3) profit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately the d00d is quite correct in his description of the mechanism. gprof doesn't work in the obvious, sane way ( a mechanized version of what i did -- per-routine timer ) but using randomized sampling.
asciilifeform: and fwiw i did not use gprof when i determined where to put the timer -- i used an actually clueful initial hypothesis, and an outer timer ( on ProcessBlock, which was the item of interest ) to compare the output of various inner ones against.
asciilifeform: possibly the pi example was a poor one -- no ~automated~ tester, will ever find it, unless specifically made to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so, to take example, if you found a rng that turns out to emit digits of pi -- the proof-of-weakness will be plouffe's algo.
asciilifeform: for some peculiar reason, everybody else (afaik) who implemented a bignumtron, only did this (or claimed, at any rate) for modular exponentiation -- but not for its subcomponent ops
asciilifeform: so not only , e.g., comparison, but addition, subtraction, take same number of ops regardless of what bits are set
asciilifeform: poor ol' english folx, have not only toilet and sink in same rooms, but imperative same as infinitive verb...
asciilifeform: this generalization also exposes what exactly the 'minimal sample' is, likewise.
asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
asciilifeform: nah, fyootor is 'log in with your rfid cranial implant'
asciilifeform: 'San Francisco and Santa Clara County, which had asked the judge for an injunction, “have a strong interest in avoiding unconstitutional federal enforcement and the significant budget uncertainty that has resulted from the Order’s broad and threatening language,” the judge wrote, referring to Mr. Trump’s January executive order on immigration.'
asciilifeform: in other magas, https://archive.is/SaZEV >> 'A federal judge in California on Tuesday temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s efforts to withhold funding from cities that limit their cooperation with federal immigration enforcement...'
asciilifeform: 'Wells Fargo said it had fired 5,300 employees found to have defrauded customers.' << gold
asciilifeform: it isn't as if wf were a company, in the customary sense -- it's a usg organ, like microshit. 'tbtf'
asciilifeform: and now for Something Completely Different >> http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/bitmath << one of those rare 1990s-style actually-useful www .
asciilifeform: infected chumpers -- do
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647801 << i'ma publish another db dump later today, you can use that .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647772 << i tried this, wasted a great deal of time. you can't get an sks dump by running sks.
asciilifeform: much of the mechanical complexity of 'c machine' is items like tlb cache, and page tables in general, and mechanisms for saving arbitrary state -- to give each process the illusion of independently occupying a 1980s-style 'personal comp'
asciilifeform: the 'reflexive' liquishit is implicit in 'let's let every fungus write programs'
asciilifeform: not wrong, but not the complete story;
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-22#1647441 << the iss imploding would be quite equivalent to 10,001 'head start' kindergartens burning to the ground, with inmates & crew inside
asciilifeform: if you copied this from a b00k, it was probably somewhere near this example.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: isp who bans, e.g., purple www backgrounds, child fucking, and winblows-95 because HE WANTS TO -- is quite different animal from one who does exactly same, but because ~imposed~ upstream
asciilifeform: ( emplace iron -- yes, possible. )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's argument is not that mircea_popescu's idea is physically impossible, but that it is absent because it is -- afaik -- heavily -ev. and not because 'world is stupid'. take, say, the moving of cocaine. it involves every bit the same types of risks, but cocaine is readily available worldwide. i suspect : partly because it is a standalone physical object -- unlike net connectivity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the idiots handle the enemy in the simplest way -- by dying. 'human fat powered system.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: outside of reich, exactly same confiscation is carried out simply by slipping a hundy to the orc guard
asciilifeform: asciilifeform & former assoc. had this problem, laid quite thickly, because they ran (industrially) malware samples.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, https://archive.is/mevpd >> 'Some bounds checks are elided by Apple's compiler and possibly others, leading to a possible attack especially in 32-bit builds.'
asciilifeform: in Kansas, we know something about false Wizards," said the former Kansas congressman in his first public remarks as CIA director. Pompeo accused "Assange and his ilk" of making common cause with dictators as "they try unsuccessfully to cloak themselves and their actions in the language of liberty and privacy."'
asciilifeform: 'Mike Pompeo, director of the Central Intelligence Agency ... "WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service," he said in prepared remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Assange is a narcissist who has created nothing of value," Pompeo said. "He relies on the dirty work of other to make himself famous. He is a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen. "And
asciilifeform: in other news, asciilifeform is getting samples from cn LYSO xtal grower
asciilifeform: for a supposed enemy of the empire, to host that liquishit ( incidentally it is produced in concert with traditional spammers, i have an entire mailbox that has become unusable because it takes in flashlight spam faster than it can be removed ) is a disgrace.
asciilifeform: it ate, some years ago, a similar one, 'comp usa'
asciilifeform: they, unfortunately, did not have a competent set of puppeteers, and a nobel-dispensing 'international komyoonity', to put theirs on proper podium
asciilifeform: it's simply not +ev for'em.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: many lulzy finds. for instance, anthracene ( from coal ) is still the all-time champ. BUT you can't buy it in proper crystal, other than su-manufactured on 'ebay' !
asciilifeform: because assessing scummitude -- of man, or entire empire -- does not require 'eating the whole egg'.
asciilifeform: 'meat' methods in comp engineering are not objectionable because 'meat methods', approximations, but because there is ALTERNATIVE there.
asciilifeform: there sure was an empire.
asciilifeform: the one where the latter weapon is 'ecologically' catastrophic, in that it fattens the empire.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not see diff b/w 'getting' a d00d shot with mircea_popescu's very long hand, vs campaigning to have d00d declared 'enemy of the people' with kgb anon denunciations ?
asciilifeform: doesn't compartmentalize.
asciilifeform: psychology was simply fashionable in '50s. today -- same role filled by other stillborn disciplines.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: other point is that involvement in a 'movement' characterized by organized intellectual dishonesty -- is not compartmentalizable. it makes me question the 'activist''s entire career.
asciilifeform: quite analogous to what the familiar compiler does .
asciilifeform: Framedragger: vlsi today simply refers to the practice of auto-generating (rather than drawing by hand) an ic layout, using 'basic blocks'
asciilifeform: if folx start 'conveniencing' and auto-sending pgpgrams, it will become necessary to require outer signatures (i.e. over ciphertext) and i, for example, will simply not read messages from anyone i suspect of auto-sending.
asciilifeform: it unhygienic, plain and simple.
asciilifeform: empty tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ' i only implemented the standard ' has roughly same cachet as ' i was only following orders!11'
asciilifeform: why the FUCK would anyone specify 'count ATTEMPTS' rather than reads !
asciilifeform: 'The man accused of fatally shooting five people in a Washington state mall last year has been found dead in his jail cell, authorities said Monday. ... When police confronted the suspect, he froze and complied ... was unarmed and silent, "kind of zombie-like," ... emigrated from Turkey and was a legal permanent resident'
asciilifeform: ( i am speaking here strictly of rngs which ~do~ eventually converge -- as defined by 100% 'pass' -- at some realistically attainable sample size. )
asciilifeform: mod6: my point was, small samples look like shit on dh, because 1000s of 'rewind'
asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, the tardano makers don't sleep, http://ubld.it/products/truerngpro << New! Improved! with two... soldered-down shields. and oscillating voltage booster right on the pcb.
asciilifeform: it is imho interesting (and this is, yes, not the 1st or 2nd thread re subj) that the niche of 'comp that runs on batteries for month' is a niche wholly unfilled by 'modern' crapolade
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181883 << that one was a (small) real comp tho, phf
asciilifeform: because Not A Computer
asciilifeform: ( and the idiot made this ~impossible to do cleanly for most of'em )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet for instance has a full complement of power equipment. and cooks daily.
asciilifeform: ( homeopath, astrologer, alchemist, perpetuum mobilist, can quite easily get 'nsf grant' if he sticks to the Official terminology, and -- importantly -- has the right pedigree / institutional cocksuckery )
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2017/from-the-bounty-of-the-internets-mp-was-right/#comment-121835
asciilifeform: complete snore.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644692 << i know of 0 evidence that the car vendors give any measurable fuck re usa roads. it's pure, unimpeded rape of the captive customer.
asciilifeform: from magically-unfixable ('this is the 7th replacement engine comp and now they last 2 hours only') boojums.
asciilifeform: and if rats won't chew through the 400$ soy wires, the engine comp will auto-destruct ( sop in obummer-era units ) in 5y
asciilifeform: 'I don't know what happened to Trump. Some muse he may be drugged and we would never know it and it makes sense. The world watched this man for two years to election day. And after Jan 20th, we watched him proceed immediately to walk his talk. Then... in like 24hrs... a full 180. If not drugs and mind control, there is always the secret grassy knoll footage of Kennedy's head being blown off to help Trump "get the message."'
asciilifeform: these cardboard dwellings , they take heroic efforts simply to keep from coming apart.
asciilifeform: different кто ты по жизни jumper settings, however
asciilifeform: which is why their attempts to build cheap, effective usg navy erasers is painted as 'aggression'
asciilifeform: dun have to be 'computing', but conventional keyboard - yes
asciilifeform: ( where do i even buy a provably nonwhitened trng ?! to compare to, i mean. i tried to buy such a thing, failed. not sold afaik for any amount. )
asciilifeform: mod6: certain % of the time, test 'weak' and , rarely, 'fail' ( simply means that author of dh decided that given result falls out of uniform distrib. range.)
asciilifeform: point of toggle, is the simplicity
asciilifeform: definitely not a low-tech item tho, quite a bit moar complex than plain old analogue rng
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we almost live in that world -- tobacco is in some place so 'hot' that you can take 'autoradiograph' of it, plain old film, no xray lamp
asciilifeform: i went out to the swamp and tried to tell this to the frogs, the cicadas, dun seem to have worked.
asciilifeform: what is 'This is a quick hack of Quake ported to the Simple DirectMedia Layer library' doing in there ?
asciilifeform: what sort of 'lisp os' needs a massive c compiler ?
asciilifeform: reading the paper -- it worked exactly as you'd expect -- simple deduction.
asciilifeform went to one that used to have empty fields around, last yr, and it was now surrounded with this cardboard.
asciilifeform: but i know 0 else about CompanionCube . or the other one, whose name escapes me
asciilifeform: modern chinese gov is smarter than mao's, won't hamhandedly dekulakize, nationalize the mining farms. will instead drive them slightly farther into -ev , and they will simply be sold off to pliant shell corps
asciilifeform: btw the 'beta decay can be arbitrarily sped up in magnetic field' throws a bit of new light on just how 'strange, new' a world with roomtemp supercon would be.
asciilifeform: ( if 1890s folx had given up on airplane, same way today's grant-eaters gave up on, e.g., room-temp superconductor, could have gone quite differently )
asciilifeform: woz drew up a 6502 box with slightly reduced glue logic chip count, vs the state of art at the time. about same level of accomplishment as, e.g., fuckgoats.
asciilifeform: btw marconi was a pretty good example of 'opportunistic thief'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall naggum's (and then -- our) discussion re how computing was wrecked not so much by microshit per se (which in 1980s was not a mega-power) but by the idiot worship of gates and his lottery winner 'success' ?
asciilifeform: this is why, when reading about the early (1st 3 or so yrs) bitcoin landscape, i found it hard to feel any sympathy for the scamola victims
asciilifeform: the quoted text is hilarious per se : if i say 'invest in this High Thrust antigrav engine, with Extremely Low Energy Cost energy intake' -- everyone will laugh. but if mr.suavetalker offers a 'High Yield Pass Through ... in the EXTREMELY LOW RISK group' financial instrument, greedy idiots jump over one another to buy,buy
asciilifeform: ( most of the chumpatronic 'wonders of the world' in btc seem to have happened prior to asciilifeform tuning in )
asciilifeform: 'A SWIFT Service Bureau, is the kind-of the equivalent of the Cloud for Banks when it comes to their SWIFT transactions and messages, the banks transactions are hosted and managed by the SWIFT Service Bureau via an Oracle Database and the SWIFT Softwares. This is why we see that many of those Service Bureau also offer KYC, Compliance, Anti-Laundering services since they have access to all those transactions as their are the host for
asciilifeform: '...complainant's father is hitting her... ...he has access to long guns, a shotgun, but it was not used in this incident...' << lol!
asciilifeform: '... the complainant's dog is running around the house, strangely, as if it senses someone... '
asciilifeform: 'Once the ladder ended, it was easy to climb from branch to branch up to where the material was located. A bird had built a nest on top of the sealed container. Happily, the nest was empty: breeding season had passed. We opened the container. The item was inside. We remained in the tree for a while....'
asciilifeform: mod6: but contemplated experiment (see kcl thread ) is re something else
asciilifeform: ( http://www.mt.com/us/en/home/products/Industrial_Weighing_Solutions/AutomPrecision/High_Precision_Weigh_Modules/WX_Weigh_Modules/WXS_Weigh_Modules/WXS205SDU15_DualRange_Weighing_Module.html << the machine mentioned in earlier thread re subj. finally found the vendor link. )
asciilifeform: now unlike the $maxint mettler, this thing probably dun have a thermo-compensator; or gravimeter
asciilifeform: (dun mean it's impossible.)
asciilifeform: it's as reliable as the box it was slaved to, signalled when the bucked filled, to go and empty.
asciilifeform: but for 'record all jumps'
asciilifeform: lulzily enough, asciilifeform ~has the box~ -- but 0 software for it, it never leaked. box turned out to contain empty fpga.
asciilifeform: (if you do, you will have to compile pl2303 into the kernel)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: recommended sample size is 1GB
asciilifeform marvels at the 'respectable kompooter sekoority community' today doing 10,000,001 things, none of them being THIS
asciilifeform: i'ma guess that mircea_popescu was grepping compressed tarballs with plain grep and naturally found nothing.
asciilifeform: steadfast liberal voices, regularly siding with vulnerable parties -- the poor, impoverished ... '
asciilifeform: still 'crediting the empire', eh, Framedragger .
asciilifeform: but i sat down and tried to answer concrete q, who and where sets it, so far found 0 examples in anything asciilifeform used or would use
asciilifeform: logs are fragmentary but converge to completeness.
asciilifeform: ( and so is completely useless for 'seen', the knob imho oughta be fixed or removed )
asciilifeform: in other lulz >> http://newschannel9.com/news/nation-world/investigation-finds-inmates-built-computers-and-hid-them-in-ceiling-at-marion-prison-04-11-2017 >> 'Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling'
asciilifeform: it all adds up, plastic pumpkins or britney records
asciilifeform: pretty compact.
asciilifeform: is there such a thing as a variable-ratio compressor ?
asciilifeform: ( if all ac used peltier junction, this would be quite trivial. unfortunately peltier is not actually +ev in comparison with mechanical compressor. )
asciilifeform: compress as-needed, blow -- as-needed.
asciilifeform: why not continuously variable heat pumping ?
asciilifeform: the starting/stopping of the compressor and the blower is also massive waste of energy.
asciilifeform: i recommend to study very carefully the diagrams that give examples of what gates particular snippets actually get synthed into, and why
asciilifeform: at room ambient temp
asciilifeform: and this dun include the comp
asciilifeform: can deal in 'human' concepts, that make sense on grid paper just the same as on the comp.
asciilifeform: 'it dept' of course wants full employment for perlists.
asciilifeform: it is more or less impossible in a spreadshit.
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : present-day asciilifeform does not agree with young-asciilifeform re 'excel is what poor illiterate folx who never learned Actual Programming, suffer with'. in an important sense it is superior to a good fraction of what passes for 'actual program'
asciilifeform: and yes, there is a turing-complete basic stuffed in there. but ~no one uses.
asciilifeform: btw most of the folx reading this now own a perfectly good example of a non von neumann comp and program for same -- FUCKGOATS
asciilifeform: on a comp this rigidity does not exist ! ( when it does -- it is because of a long line of boneheads who wanted to emulate steel-cutting in all things )
asciilifeform: machine shop has no 'putting on tool', cuts -- must be planned, and reduce to simple geometries; etc
asciilifeform: everyone laughs at excel, but microshit did not invent spreadshit. spreadshit was 'killer app', arguably, for the original micros, because it introduces a modicum of sanity to the otherwise idiotic von neumann comp
asciilifeform: folks who can tolerate unnecessarily long ooda loops when working with a comp,
asciilifeform: the people paying megabux for cage near nyse, nasdaq, either exist or are product of elaborate disinfo. if the former, it would make sense for them to carry out the -- comparatively inexpensive -- software optimization prior to buying $mil cage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is, 'database' as commonly seen in sqlworld is not 'collection of btrees, rtrees, etc.' in encyclopaedic algorithmic form, but a misbegotten attempt at ai.
asciilifeform: humidifier + ac is disaster though, damp everywhere.
asciilifeform is not and has not ever been employed as an astrologer, cannot comment usefully
asciilifeform: attempts to model brownian motion.
asciilifeform: what's it called when trump hands them the delishious-syrian-chicken after all ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, elsewhere in the glorious monkey empire, https://archive.is/meEGA : 'A doctor trying to return home to his patients was dragged by his hands from an overbooked United Airlines (UAL.N) flight... Video of the incident posted to Twitter account @Tyler_Bridges shows three security officers huddling over the seated passenger, who appears to be an older Asian man, before dragging him on the floor.'
asciilifeform: After calling police, two officers took away the bars and gave them a receipt. ... A Northamptonshire Police spokesman said they could not comment “for operational reasons”.'
asciilifeform: if your operation seriously relies on the db, it implements custom db, from scratch, like the hft trading folks do.
asciilifeform: as it is, sql db is a very effectively opaque black box, full of liquishit, that reliably generates full employment for millions of 'perlists' who memorized the trivia.
asciilifeform: re lisp state -- not sure this is doable on unix -- how do you dump and restore textual representation of posix threads ? fd's ?
asciilifeform: whatever 11isms are properly implemented (with 0 special cases) in 4.9 -- fair game
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my contention was that it must compile with < 5 .
asciilifeform: (they eventually resorted to 'credit card' and ended up simply making a titanic black hole for entire ~industry~ to fall into, when it finally imploded)
asciilifeform: they built something quite like a proper comp.
asciilifeform: let's have expansion re the sense contempated by mircea_popescu then
asciilifeform: my contention is simply that they failed to ~resolve~ their problem , in the sense of achieving item#2 from my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 essay
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is quite impossible to 'unconsider inconvenient problem' in a thread about bolix
asciilifeform: phf: a bolix-style machine that -- hypothetically - could have cost-competed with the 'i can't believe it's not butter' state of the art, would imho count as 'resolve'
asciilifeform: fairly primitive, early attempt, but -- not continued.
asciilifeform: attempted - yes. resolved - no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding was that greenblatt and noftsker had serious disagreement re how to actually do business. (noftsker favoured external capital, and founded the -- temporarily -- successful symbolics co; greenblatt -- the very soon dead lmi, and believed in 'lift by bootstraps', no external capital.)
asciilifeform: then, quite unlike now, new type of comp had to be made by hand from ttl chips -- few gates each; and connected with semi-reliable wrap wiring. it was quite impossible to offload this to 'brute labour', you had to intimately understand how the thing works in order to debug in any way.
asciilifeform: yes, some folx are friends with chumpatronicist, or bank robber (stalin et al), who will give them a little dough out of whatever private reason of his own.
asciilifeform: you are comparing bezzletrons, that run on pixie dust, to hw makers , who ran on 100% turkey dollar ?
asciilifeform: the reality, even if mircea_popescu doesn't subscribe to it, is that there may very well be more than two types of people alive, and not simply ubermenschen (exact clones of mircea_popescu , presumably ) and untermenschen ('socialists' or anyone who substantially differs psychologically from mircea_popescu )
asciilifeform: why there was >1 power in 16th c italy. why not everyone simply in florence, lol.
asciilifeform: or do my hands simply grow from arse ? or ?
asciilifeform: ( iirc it was because he went 'let us have our king from among our ~own~ number, why this imported viking lord ' )
asciilifeform: in fact the piss ui from this thread, clim, franz lisp, whole shebang of barbarian yurts decorated with smashed roman mosaic, were results of later attempt to 'repeat in garage' regardless
asciilifeform: the other idiocies follow from 'we can make roman aqueduct in empty field, and with 0 book-larnin', and it will be Just As Good'.
asciilifeform: i like him just fine, hence attempt to educate.
asciilifeform: 'Buying a cup of coffee is not a micro transaction' 'SegWit and LN and you can buy coffee again. That simple. You are choosing power and politics over coffee.' << lol
asciilifeform: stole entire algo, as described here, lock stock and barrel; implemented in shitlang
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640411 << lol, gasenwagen! , compare >> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdGLqV_WEAAEIrz.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on contemplation, cars may not be a very good hiding place, they ( esp in usa ) routinely move through chokepoints - toll archs, and these are already equipped with camera and radio receivers
asciilifeform: (gru knew this simple fact in 1950s. don't morse by hand, morse with paper tape rolled by clockwork, over in 1s or so. apparatus fit in suitcase.)
asciilifeform: phf: all of the linked examples thus far, fit this pattern
asciilifeform: ( in the minds of the perpetrators, probably the operative historical example is hurd )
asciilifeform: ( could be impractical -- we all die before answer is emitted -- but that ain't 'dumb' )
asciilifeform: trinque: can i , purely using sql query, force it to not attempt write ( and -- importantly -- to take no locks ! ) if an item already exists ?
asciilifeform: maybe -- could. but i do not see how it can be done without losing something important.
asciilifeform: imho to even suggest such a thing, betrays a very serious misunderstanding of the concept. dumb humans are in every respect an inferior version of the machine. the only thing more agonizing than programming comp, is programming dumb humans.
asciilifeform: the performance wins described in this thread by Framedragger and trinque can only come at the cost of 1) massive increase in complexity, and in particularly state 2) loss of immediate linkability of freshly pasted keys.
asciilifeform: given that i found that various otherwise reasonable people are willing to make all kinds of compromises
asciilifeform: this is not even to mention the complexity cost.
asciilifeform: CompanionCube: inevitably
asciilifeform: it isn't merely 'hash is computed', it shows if anyone else at any point in history ever had the mods.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: why are you regarding the added complexity (100x what i have now!) as 'free' ?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: think about how much complexity in the liquishit we call 'modern comp' comes from these attempted modularizations.
asciilifeform: instead of working-but-complained-about.
asciilifeform: aha, nice, but not compatible with queueing.