deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C861200A12C782F8C27435D1223E05DD34AAE06645C9EC8DDE66F522B4A5ED3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1403...7473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mx.heynen.biz. BE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C861200A12C782F8C27435D1223E05DD34AAE06645C9EC8DDE66F522B4A5ED3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1614...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mx.heynen.biz. BE)
ben_vulpes: "The Bindmans LLP law firm, acting on behalf of (green party, house of lords rep) Jones, contacted six of those listed to verify their passwords...In response, five of the six gave passwords that matched those given in the letter and the sixth was nearly a match."
ben_vulpes: staggering lol
ben_vulpes: fun temporal proximity coincidence to http://www.ringroadbug.com/ showing up in #b-a, where i found the hilarious nsf-grantee's website
ben_vulpes: where if i read correctly, chrome udp's passwords to such services as gmail in such a way as to 'encrypt' them but still reveal their length
ben_vulpes: nsf grantee produced a odd little video of a chrome browser running under programmatic control solving captchas and 'brute forcing' passwords
ben_vulpes: odd because in what world is that a "proof of concept", unless there's some bass ackwards msft-trained IT snotrag 'ethics' line that somehow justifies the pretense to proof of a video a twelve-year old could have faked
Framedragger: asciilifeform: just fyi i am unable to download /sadmods. i am using curl with no retry. no biggie, and i know you have more important things to do :)
Framedragger: iirc previously was able to do this, tho
Framedragger: is there a more convenient way of organising and/or sending pgpgrams to irc folx? i have http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iCXI2/?raw=true which is ~fine. (it'll complain about unsigned key if target is such, and gpg will ask y/n there. add `--trust-model always` to gpg command if you don't like this and like to live dangerously)
Framedragger: (then, just do `ep frame` to encrypt to my key e.g., type msg as per gpg, get paste url)
Framedragger: i could add www endpoint to scriba which would take in encrypt pgpgrams, and scriba would PM them to target. to avoid abuse etc., messages would need to be signed, tho. not sure how useful. (i'd maybe use this. could pgpgram while not connected to irc. maybe overthinking this before impending gossipd)
Framedragger: s/take in encrypt/take in encrypted/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645915 << wtf, why
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 12:43 Framedragger: i could add www endpoint to scriba which would take in encrypt pgpgrams, and scriba would PM them to target. to avoid abuse etc., messages would need to be signed, tho. not sure how useful. (i'd maybe use this. could pgpgram while not connected to irc. maybe overthinking this before impending gossipd)
asciilifeform: terrifyingly bad idea imho
asciilifeform: nothing has any business being enpgp'd ~on a server~, wtf
asciilifeform: and how the hell would you 'messages would need to be signed' ?!
asciilifeform: and under what circumstances is it that i can't get to irc, but ~can~ get to 'www endpoint' ?
asciilifeform: lemme guess: iphone !?
asciilifeform: we want this ?!!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645913 << is this really a bottleneck for you, Framedragger ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 12:39 Framedragger: is there a more convenient way of organising and/or sending pgpgrams to irc folx? i have http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iCXI2/?raw=true which is ~fine. (it'll complain about unsigned key if target is such, and gpg will ask y/n there. add `--trust-model always` to gpg command if you don't like this and like to live dangerously)
asciilifeform: how? and have you thought about how possibly other people do not ~want~ this 'convenience' ? i for instance have no intention of ever automating any part of my pgp process. whatsoever.
asciilifeform: it unhygienic, plain and simple.
asciilifeform: nor is it purely a matter of 'oh, i'll automate sending, asciilifeform can choose whether to automate decoding'
asciilifeform: if folx start 'conveniencing' and auto-sending pgpgrams, it will become necessary to require outer signatures (i.e. over ciphertext) and i, for example, will simply not read messages from anyone i suspect of auto-sending.
asciilifeform: some thing has NO business ever being 'convenient'.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1645911 << the usual reason.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 10:47 Framedragger: asciilifeform: just fyi i am unable to download /sadmods. i am using curl with no retry. no biggie, and i know you have more important things to do :)
Framedragger: 1. it's why i asked, re. convenience, 2. yeah it's a terrible idea, hm, and 3. there was no intention to do any encrypting/signing on the server - god forbid
asciilifeform: Framedragger: then i dun even grasp how it was supposed to work at all
Framedragger: no, fuck it, it's terrible throughout.
Framedragger: (current convenience simply allows for "type message, give recipient, get back url to send to", and any additional stuff is ben_vulpes' et al. 'programm0rs like to masturbate with complexity')
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/menstruation-lulz/ << Trilema - Menstruation lulz
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ndyWe << in other hilarities.
asciilifeform: 'Scores of Drupal developers have formed a protest against the exiling of a project veteran who dabbled in kinky sci-fi hanky-panky.'
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does "exiling" work, supposedly ?
asciilifeform: ^ d00d kicked out of genderfuckshitware open sores 'project' for... being aficionado of ancient s&m fiction
mircea_popescu: i guess latest trilema should be right up their... alley.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he was 'disinvited' from some conference and publicly 5minutesofhate-d
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/4Ie3k << 'confessions'
mircea_popescu: dude, not going to their shitty "conferences" is the best way to a) get some work done and b) eat well.
mircea_popescu: group of dorks complains about the rest of the dorks doing the guy a fucking favour.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit, is that the entire 'project' would not exist then.
asciilifeform: ( what 'red blooded man' and where, uses 'drupal', and for what ?? )
mircea_popescu: i dunno. people kept proposing it "for cms"
asciilifeform: 'we are vehemently opposed to discrimination, harassment, intimidation, bullying, doxxing, secret trials, and digging up information on members' personal lives."' << really nao, appelbaum?
mircea_popescu: "vehehehee what was i saying"
asciilifeform: 'The group is asking Buytaert to reexamine Garfield's case and, if he was not found to be violating Drupal's code of conduct, issue a public apology. They also want Buytaert to update Drupal's code to ban discrimination based on "peaceful, consensual, law-abiding beliefs" and craft clear rules on code of conduct that will be applied openly.' << this, apparently.
mircea_popescu: looks like a fine substitute for doing any work yet another workday
Framedragger: > find interesting post; follow to interesting person's twitter; get suggestion whom to follow, on the surface it looks good (e.g. "also a hardware engineer", etc.)
Framedragger: > hm, this other person rants about something-politics, can't even be arsed to read. no content
Framedragger: > description/homepage says SJW
Framedragger: > oh
Framedragger: happens all the damn time. :/
Framedragger: used to shy away from generalising based this, i have to admit. but it's such an accurate signal (what are the chances that trans-crypto-engineer-sjw will be posting stuff related to the crpyto-engineer part?), it's mindboggling
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you know who was the original transgender engineer (and of course the smegma stains don't mention her, because why would they!) ?
Framedragger: no, who?
mircea_popescu: companion question : who invented vlsi ?
Framedragger: imma just start googling soon :) vlsi as in opengl, i assume. (i dunno)
Framedragger: one lynn conway.. this name was mentioned here wasn't it..
Framedragger: !#s lynn conway
a111: 2 results for "lynn conway", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lynn%20conway
Framedragger: !#s conway
a111: 15 results for "conway", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=conway
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at social justice camp for women in tech, https://68.media.tumblr.com/64df20c85ac7652be1ba5985e1dd1fcf/tumblr_n6imj27nR71t0969ao1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-21#521970 << also interesting re subj
a111: Logged on 2014-02-21 23:57 asciilifeform: conway became the personal nemesis of the author
Framedragger: yeah k. figures :D
asciilifeform: http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/LynnsReviewOfBaileysBook.html << subj. (warning: expert entomologists only.)
asciilifeform: ^ so no, conway was not 'the good trans', went full bore tard not so long after 'switch'.
asciilifeform: set about organizing witchhunts of psychologists who wouldn't repeat the 'party line'.
asciilifeform: and yes, i have the vlsi textbook. ( i also have paul graham's lisps, and schneier's 1993 encyclopaedia, even!111 )
Framedragger: she's been quite productive tho, neh? can't deny that?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: observe ~when~ productive.
Framedragger: i'm not familiar with how good/bad/evil vlsi is.
Framedragger: from initial skim of her bio, after gender change, too
asciilifeform: Framedragger: vlsi today simply refers to the practice of auto-generating (rather than drawing by hand) an ic layout, using 'basic blocks'
asciilifeform: quite analogous to what the familiar compiler does .
Framedragger: aha rightright. that's about as much as i know, tho
asciilifeform: heya mod6
mircea_popescu: now im gonna have to read that crap. why do i get involved in these things!
mod6: eatblock is upto 235K+ blocks.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: from skimming her bio, she went into activism after tech career retirement, which followed ~quite a bit after~ the change. inferring cause-effect there is imho stretching it ~very~ much. but then, i haven't met her, etc.
Framedragger: good stuff mod6 :)
mircea_popescu: lol this shit. "The book especially defames trans women who are attracted to men, calling them "homosexual transsexuals" as if they were men themselves." ... which... they aren't, because... reasons ?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the more general observation is that if 'trans'-creation worked worth a tinker's damn, there would be no 'activist category' for it, there'd be just a set of, e.g., chix, with peculiar biographies that nobody but their mothers even have to know about, theoretically
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i disagree. in their mind, it is completely consistent to do activism as they are 'suppressed', etc.; so i don't see how that would necessarily follow
mircea_popescu: ftr, prostitution is in point of fact the single most common occupation of transsexuals of any description, as well as of "sex activists" of whatever flavour.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: think about it. if it worked --- there's be no 'they'.
Framedragger: anyway, the point is, she did lots of technical work after gender change.
mircea_popescu: this is like observing that not-particularily-bright kid who evidently likes cars is probably a driver.
asciilifeform: it'd be like dyed hair, you have nfi whose hair is dyed.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: that's true, it's "rough around the edges" is an understatement for now. and in general, a ~very~ problematic position to be in. there is that...
asciilifeform: Framedragger: there'd be no even theoretical 'suppressed', think.
Framedragger: yes, yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't tell ?!
asciilifeform: but as it is, they have 'movement' which consistently and insistently lies about various aspects. for not especially inscrutable political reasons.
mircea_popescu: but yes, Framedragger has it, the topic was whether engineer, not whether "good" or "bad" or whatever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can only tell if the dye is poor, or runs, etc. was the idea.
Framedragger: i don't know, i just see an engineer who did engineer work and contributions before and after gender transition; and a person who got caught into politics/issues of genderstuff after involving self in genderstuff. "meh" is my reaction.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not true, no. can tell in almost all cases.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu can probably also tell how many years a wine aged by naked eye.
Framedragger: (the latter may signify that genderstuff is poison, sure.)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i have to agree re. 'movement' tho, yeah..
asciilifeform: Framedragger: other point is that involvement in a 'movement' characterized by organized intellectual dishonesty -- is not compartmentalizable. it makes me question the 'activist''s entire career.
asciilifeform: ( vlsi -- works. but, perhaps plagiarized ? etc )
Framedragger: yeah, i can see that. compartments of the kind are always leaky. and it's natural to then distrust in general, etc. however, if you wanted to use this as an example why no tech career happened after, you'd be begging the question.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that it won't allow you to see engineer-politicians, which is ALSO not compartimentalizable : it will force you to beedog, ie, not become as good as expression and telling women's original haircolor as you could, on the basis of your genetics say, actually be.
asciilifeform: not everybody is a sapper for a living.
mircea_popescu: you know, they don't actually require fishermen to cut off their legs because boat anyway.
asciilifeform: not yet!1111
mircea_popescu: seems silly on the face of it.
mod6: third collection of ~1Gb of entropy is complete from my first fg. running ent & dh now...
asciilifeform: ( v. pelevin had a hilarious b00k where , in future, 'alexey maresyev' (ww2 ace with 0 legs) 'school of flight', cosmonauts MUST lose legs, it was hilarious )
mircea_popescu: good thing mod6 is doing all this work so we can sit around reading inept reviews of even worse "research" in "psycology"
Framedragger: i did feel dirty writing the above lol
mircea_popescu: incidentally, alf is correct on one point : there is a painful spot in the history of psychology (the pseudoscience). let us delve :
mircea_popescu: 1. psychology is not a scientific endeavour. it can not be, for fundamental reasons put on paper for instance by a certain 1600 english justice ( http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22devil+himself%22 )
mircea_popescu: 2. 1 notwithstanding, in the early phase of the post-industrialization lower-upper class (a faux construction consisting of lower class material enjoying upper class easements, pretensions and expectations) struggling with the question of what the fuck to do with themselves, "studying" "psychology" became a thing.
mircea_popescu: it did not actually have the wings to fly, which is why the social group in question eventually settled on "charity" as briefly mentioned yest. the whys and wherefores are worthy of a volume, and quite well fleshed out, but we won't bother here.
asciilifeform: the same folx switched later to faux-mathematics, faux-softwaredevelopment, etc.
asciilifeform: psychology was simply fashionable in '50s. today -- same role filled by other stillborn disciplines.
mircea_popescu: 3. abandoned in its only possible role (all pseudoscience can do is supply crystal balls for court magicians) by the dominating class (female culture is the larger part of lower-upper middle class culture for very fundamental reasons - they're genetically insufficient) it found a 2nd life among the smaller half.
mircea_popescu: 4. freud, jung and the rest of the "men going their own way" of the 1800s are exactly this - exponents of the minority bourgeois party trying to fashion a crystal ball "just as good" as the prevailing female construct (religion-blabla-etc) out of you know. this.
mircea_popescu: 5. this resulted in a very strongly ~prescriptive~ pseudoscience, the fantasy of all "therapists" etc being that you go to them to acquire permission to be who you are. a sort of, if you will, slavery for infantile inept "masters", cheaply made and mass distributed.
mircea_popescu: 6. the reabsorbtion of this unseemly polyp in the general discourse of lower-upper class was a necessary evolution, and hadn't it punctured through the whole "how dare you say man-women are whores!" it'd have punctured somewhere else. lightning strikles on the basis of charge not on the basis of dielectric failure. heck, it'll create the latter to serve the former.
mircea_popescu: it's unfortunate that a schmuck who actually had the unmitigated audacity to tell people he is a "chair of blabla" was also so fucking clueless as to not know the foregoing, and truly expected he'll be playing with his dickie in the sand unfettered cca 2004. but then again -- this is the just desserts for sinking one's time and productive life in the idiotic line of chasing nonsense.,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: psychology, such as described here, unfortunately found a second life -- propping up american pharma 'industry'.
mircea_popescu: sure. because guess what -- all transsexuals are whores, and this includes bailey.
asciilifeform: ( has about as much to do with the original psychology as modern chinese 'communism', with lenin . )
mircea_popescu: now : it is not directly evident to me how one engineer riding chariots in battle and raping the women of a different tribe of chariot-riding idiots is in any sense disqualifying.
mircea_popescu: but, let the record reflect that i've myself done all that ; and will. i find it in no sense contradictory or mutually exclusive with understanding or the thought process generally.
asciilifeform: let's briefly visit another time, place : the showdown between lysenko and vavilov.
asciilifeform: in 1990s-era 'expose' crapolade, the former is painted as 'devil', 'evil genius pseudoscientist', etc.
asciilifeform: and it is not difficult to paint like this, because d00d operated with pre-modern conceptions of genetic mechanism ( his was lamarck-style. )
asciilifeform: but the lie by omission, in this analysis, is : so did vavilov & co.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform: they also had nfi re gene expression, regulation mechanism, etc.
asciilifeform: and, most interestingly,
asciilifeform: afaik, v & co were ~the first instigators~ of invoking nkvd apparatus in 'battle of grantola'
asciilifeform: writing denunciations on the opponents etc.
mircea_popescu: iirc also true.
asciilifeform: also of interest possibly to mircea_popescu is that l & co worked on 'practical' items, how to optimize wheat, potato. v & co worked on flies.
mircea_popescu: i'm aware. hence the strawberry joke etc.
asciilifeform: this did not help v & co's life expectancies when ~they~ decided to politically battle.
asciilifeform: 'brought a knife to gun fight'
mircea_popescu: right. which is exactly a restatement of the above comment re bailey.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 15:46 mircea_popescu: it's unfortunate that a schmuck who actually had the unmitigated audacity to tell people he is a "chair of blabla" was also so fucking clueless as to not know the foregoing, and truly expected he'll be playing with his dickie in the sand unfettered cca 2004. but then again -- this is the just desserts for sinking one's time and productive life in the idiotic line of chasing nonsense.,
asciilifeform: i bring it in, because imho the entire conflict does not look good for ~either~
asciilifeform: and does indeed discredit.
mircea_popescu: who does it discredit and why ?
mircea_popescu: let us bring the matter to a trilema article. you've read the definition of the romanian expression "pai nu?" ?
asciilifeform: aha, it was in a recent one
mircea_popescu: so then. am i thereby discredited, slavegirl will say "oh, i only want pencildick masters ?"
asciilifeform doesn't grasp
mircea_popescu: suppose we're at cinema and crack whore walks by. if i fuck her, discredited ? suppose crack whore's son/father/husband walks by and i crack him one, for some reason or no reason at all. discredited ?
mircea_popescu: this discreditation theory is what well-meaning old jewish women teach entirely useless jewish boys, for the purpose of having jewish girls running around naked.
asciilifeform: not rly, not intellectual playing field
asciilifeform: 'discredit' is the mental equiv. of negrate, 'set bozo bit', a very personal matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the superior can not be discredited from engaging the inferior on his own terms ; because THE ONLY POINT of superiority is that the superior gets to choose whether to superior or inferior, whereas the inferior gets no such choice, but must inferior.
asciilifeform: when you 'no longer certain who you are dealing with'
mircea_popescu: "si quis, inquis, dives est" is all about that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: forget the jewwishwoman sense of the word, public discredit
mircea_popescu: a world where "the superior with the superior and the inferior with the inferior" is the ideal female world of flat hierarchy.
asciilifeform: i was specifically referring to 'after that, i had reason to doubt conway, and this projects backwards in time'
mircea_popescu: no. i will fuck five dollar crack whores every time i feel like it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're serious you'll have no more or less reason than you had before. of course you'll doubt, what is this.
asciilifeform: who doesn't want to -- obviously, i can't make'em. but asciilifeform goes, rate -1 conway, genderactivister.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's book, vaviloving is a mortal sin.
asciilifeform: doesn't compartmentalize.
mircea_popescu: well yes, this much we had half hour ago. the whys dun seem to be working out too well though.
asciilifeform: every serious flavour of european had this concept. 'you just don't ~do~ that.' 'you don't rat to kgb.'
asciilifeform: ratted ? then -- rat.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you also are mixing in a personal "kgb == gender activism in the us", which...
asciilifeform: read link re what conway did/does to bailey.
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware there's a something awful that twenty years ago used to be a sort of cat-v for socialist tards etcetera. yes i'm aware the "climate science" pseudoscientards had some mailing list they coordinated their nonsense on etc.
asciilifeform: ( i read his b00k, but have ~0 position on his crackpottery 1 way or another. this is about something quite else. )
mircea_popescu: and if tomorrow i get in an argument with some idiot and shoot him, will you be all "dude, you shouldn't shoot people" ?
mircea_popescu: after all, every european ALSO had a concept of that.
asciilifeform: shooting's a-ok.
mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish ?
asciilifeform: because with OWN hands.
asciilifeform: not kgb's.
mircea_popescu: oh. i didn't mean i personally shoot him. i just mean you know, he gets shot.
mircea_popescu: why would i shoot him with own hands.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not see diff b/w 'getting' a d00d shot with mircea_popescu's very long hand, vs campaigning to have d00d declared 'enemy of the people' with kgb anon denunciations ?
mircea_popescu: i can see all sorts of differences. which one do you say is controlling here ?
asciilifeform: the one where the latter weapon is 'ecologically' catastrophic, in that it fattens the empire.
asciilifeform: the pistol -- does not.
mircea_popescu: this is a valid point -- except note that lynn's excuised by it.
asciilifeform: excused how ?
mircea_popescu: at the time -- this was no empire. it's more or less the transgender stonewall inn moment
mircea_popescu: or whatever they called that low rent ny pub where faggots for the first time fought back against the pigs.
asciilifeform: 'In the Spring of 2003, J. Michael Bailey...'
asciilifeform: spring of 2003.
mircea_popescu: 2004, you recall, wash bush, and a very power hungry and not yet paintsuited abomination running up and down the country trying to create some sort of "future democrat alliance"
mircea_popescu: so the 1k or so transgender freaks got a seat at the table, mostly for religious reasons
asciilifeform: there sure was an empire.
mircea_popescu: (the "our democracy" religious-science needed some weird.)(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose this is then the root of difference.
mircea_popescu: moreover here's a different spot of trouble -- suppose a-friend-who-is-not-me has the remarkable bad fortune of beign crowned/acclaimed god-emperor of everything. did thereby his previous a-ok "long hand" now become a very unok "empire" and consequently he's supposed to do what ? leave them behind and move over to washington to be trumped ? or how's the logic here work.
asciilifeform: it'd depend on how he runs his god-king-dom, neh ?
mircea_popescu: oh, we're assuming you'd be privy to that ? "how he runs it" is a box open to your inspection ?
asciilifeform: to an extent
mircea_popescu: can't reference variables not declared in your scope, alfie!
asciilifeform: e.g. i've not been chums with obummer. but know a bit what it is like to live in obummerdom.
mircea_popescu: and btw, "to an extent" == "new jersey method!!"
mircea_popescu: you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645769 on my system outputs "to an extent yes"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-18 20:26 asciilifeform: yes | dd of=out bs=1024k count=10
mircea_popescu: it does!
asciilifeform: 'meat' methods in comp engineering are not objectionable because 'meat methods', approximations, but because there is ALTERNATIVE there.
asciilifeform: in meatdom -- none.
mircea_popescu: this is what the psychology crowd wants to sell, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: of course there's alternative. what the fuck do you suppose a classical education is for ?
asciilifeform: classical education gives you emulator-ready vm image of obummer's brain ?!
asciilifeform: i can see how mircea_popescu might like to imagine that it does.
asciilifeform: but sadly no.
mircea_popescu: no, but it gives you enough sense to not write your minesweeper applet in such a way as to import netbase.
asciilifeform: for that, brain of squirrel suffices.
mircea_popescu: and don't open the pandora's box of "imagine" lest you fall under a hail of arrows wrt irl "alternatives" in compouting.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is in the process of exterminating some squirrels and finding them to be surprisingly clever )
mircea_popescu: (spelling intentional)
mircea_popescu: only reason asciilifeform finds squirrels cleverness suprising is because he himself is shockingly sheltered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the q of 'live there people sufficiently non-stupid to make alternative' is separate from 'is there alternative'
mircea_popescu: but perhaps now you earn some respect for my bottled mouse!
asciilifeform: we're talking of deterministic machine, neh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in point of fact i dealt with mice for years and have plenty of respect.
mircea_popescu: in the sense computer "is deterministic machine", so is human brain. "oh OF COURSE he'll get out of rain, what!"
mircea_popescu: "except when he doesn't" "well yeah."
asciilifeform: ( it was surprising in vs . mice! not in the absolute. rodents are pretty interesting imho. )
mircea_popescu: oldest mammal line.
mircea_popescu: point of fact, they prolly made it for longer than humans will.
mircea_popescu: (this is not necessarily speaking of catastrophe -- humans are much more likely to progressively mutilate themselves into unrecognizability than to just extinct)
asciilifeform: possible that already.
asciilifeform: ( speaking of squirrel, apparently just about everything has a www 'fandom'. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BQmuW03-g8 << BingoBoingo ! )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646126 << this, incidentally, is SHOCKINGLY false. when polling the rat in the box, his clue as to how the empire is being run is very very nil. i get this is counterintuitive, but get this : romanians thought the same "common sense" nonsense and ended up with http://trilema.com/2011/procesul-ceausescu/
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 16:14 asciilifeform: to an extent
mircea_popescu: ie, in tl;dr terms : shooting for an inexistent crime the only politician who provably did not engage in it this century.
asciilifeform: the alternative is what, exactly ? bow and to suck the cock of his holiness obummer ?
asciilifeform: i ain't gonna. period.
asciilifeform: just as mircea_popescu didn't care to bow to brezhnev. ( regardless of how fragmentary was his picture of how -- precisely -- brezhnev's palace decisionmaking conveyor worked. )
asciilifeform: incidentally this was the very substance of , iirc, nixon's argument to somebody re why he ought to bow. 'you don't have access to the mega-seekritz, how can you know that i am scum'
asciilifeform: it, as mircea_popescu likes to say, 'does not prevail!111'
asciilifeform: because assessing scummitude -- of man, or entire empire -- does not require 'eating the whole egg'.
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing you should do anything. i am pointing out a mechanism you describe is a) part dreamdust and b) not workyirl.
asciilifeform: i dun need to know what lincoln had for breakfast every day of his life, to say 'scum'.
mircea_popescu: this without prejudice or anything.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: in related news, Last night I saw a baby bunny hopping through the yard adorably darting in and out of cover. This morning I find bits of baby bunny fur scattered in a narrow open area between structures. Cat 1 Breeders 0
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/twin-suicides-grip-usian-psyche/ << Qntra - Twin Suicides Grip USian Psyche
asciilifeform: i gotta borrow this d00d's cat
asciilifeform: i have half dozen living in the underbrush here and they dun seem to make any palpable dent in the tree rat problem
asciilifeform: ( then again, i have no accurate idea, perhaps without cats it would be wholly unmanageable )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't seen cat since last year. Crediting kill to cat based on there being parts not eaten.
asciilifeform: why would cat not eat'em
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because cats are spree killers whose thrill hunger exceeds their food hunger
BingoBoingo: Owl on the other hand eats fur and all
BingoBoingo: Anyways perhaps the alf vermin problem is filthy neighbors rather than lazy cats?
asciilifeform: how's that
BingoBoingo: they just produce too much food for the breeding vermin and cats simply lack time, or scale of vermin problem is bad for cat morale?
asciilifeform: them squirrels aren't eating rubbish, no.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps you haven't landscaped in enough ambushes and other tactical features for cats to enjoy.
asciilifeform: not landscaped, but place came with a bunch
mod6: Alright asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, et. al. Here's the 3rd run of the dh & ent against the third collection of ~1.1Gb of entropy. http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.dieharder_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg1.ent_run3.txt
asciilifeform: looks pretty typical ^
asciilifeform: ( 'weakness lottery' in the 'hungrier' stats. )
asciilifeform: speaking of which, any answer from dh author ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 ^ ?
Framedragger: mod6: just fyi, your `dd if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg3.bin` doesn't look to include that padding flag?
mod6: Framedragger: alf's discovery of the padding flag wasn't found until after i had started this collection.
mod6: I'm doing that test next.
Framedragger: mod6: ah ah, gotcha! :)
Framedragger: ah yeah, timing's mixed up in ma head
asciilifeform: '8.000000 bits per byte ... randomlyerror 0.00 percent ...
asciilifeform: would exceed this value 50.00 percent of the times.
asciilifeform: ' << neato
asciilifeform: (hm, that paste got munged)
asciilifeform: but still
mod6: will collect like: `dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg4.bin`
asciilifeform: in other noose, i have a quote from chinese crystal grower, 3x3x10mm LYSO crystals @ ~8 usd ea.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, 8.000000's everytime from ent.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not landscaped, but place came with a bunch << Catnip is a perenial herb, gets respectable size...
mod6: ok, collecting another ~1Gb, this time using iflag=fullblock
mod6: will report back in ~1 day
Framedragger will move ass time permitting and collect his 1gb, too
jurov: can fuckgoat be overclocked?
asciilifeform: jurov: sorta
asciilifeform: jurov: put it near something warm.
asciilifeform: ( a few %+ )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's actuyally cheap
asciilifeform: i was floored
mircea_popescu: last time i looked at this it wouldn've been 1k+
mircea_popescu: and that's 90s dollars.
asciilifeform: and each one is good for, by my current reckoning, a coupla MB/s of entropy.
asciilifeform: just sittin' there.
asciilifeform: (no external gamma source)
asciilifeform: possibly a few 100Mb/s.
mircea_popescu: well, 6.023e23 rite.
asciilifeform: quite possibly we have usg/ru/etc. Official nyook-paranoia (detectors everywhere) mania to thank for the cheap lyso.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the ultimate rng pump. "We have this array of matter -- think memory stick. at every given tick, each either decays or doesn't. tick here has no physical meaning, it can be shorter than measurable irrespective of measuring mechanism"
asciilifeform: the straightest way to rngize decay is to count ticks (shorter -- better) between decays, and then vonneumannize.
asciilifeform: traditional geiger tubes, i rejected for this ( they 1) wear out quickly 2) require ~1kV dc, which has to come out of an oscillating boost converter 3) need very energetic photon to work, which means collecting radioactive crud locally, you typically won't be able to post it )
asciilifeform: that leaves semiconductors (pin diode) and semiconductor+scintillator combo.
asciilifeform: one of the items on asciilifeform's back burner recently has been to properly test various variants of this.
mircea_popescu: nah, just make ram stick with lyso instead of doped si, then read it normally.
asciilifeform: you don't want to zap the deterministic parts.
mircea_popescu: anti-ecc ram. "we guarantee no bits can be read as they were stored!"
asciilifeform: (debiaser, serial encoder, etc.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that can be done in software
asciilifeform: software ~on what~
mircea_popescu: i hear drupal has a library for it.
asciilifeform: at any rate you don't want mEv photons hitting your die.
asciilifeform: from inside, or outside.
asciilifeform: the holes are often permanent.
mircea_popescu: so ? PERSONALIZED!
asciilifeform: it 'goes blind'
asciilifeform: same reason, i found, using ZnS is a mistake
asciilifeform: it degenerates over ~decade
mircea_popescu: anyway, run it at 70 C or so, i expect electron cloud will just eat it up, no crystal lattice deffects induced
mircea_popescu: then again i did no math for this expect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~whole point of gamma rng is to divorce from electronic effects.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: electronic one -- we have already !
mircea_popescu: pity, the anti-ram stick had such great sci-fi power.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is why sci-fi is pulp rather than literature.
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu oughta have gotten his already, btw, or at least any day nao )
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15D8D6376893F358B6A33931E8A2B035898FEFF90F8899F073C4E8680037D620 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1370...6437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (188x134x96x26.static-business.iz.ertelecom.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15D8D6376893F358B6A33931E8A2B035898FEFF90F8899F073C4E8680037D620 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1502...5959 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (188x134x96x26.static-business.iz.ertelecom.ru. RU)
mircea_popescu: at odds with reality.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one point we had a thread with d00d who sold 'sram as rng' iirc.
asciilifeform: can't seem to unearth it nao.
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, http://scintillator.lbl.gov << Official!111 american list of scintillators, with lit. citations.
asciilifeform: ^ the numberz which refer to commercially-available items -- seem to agree with the vendors'.
asciilifeform: HfO2 << lol, where do i buy.
asciilifeform: anyway in this application it ain't 'the best' scintillator that wins, but specifically lyso -- because it is own gamma source.
asciilifeform: (high self-noise floor, which in any other application is a downer. but in this one -- not.)
asciilifeform: bonus: your rng also doubles as a radio-shenanigans detector!111
asciilifeform: (if count is substantially above the expected count -- ring the bells, yes )
asciilifeform: in other lulz (sequel to earlier film) -- https://topspb.tv/news/2017/04/19/v-moskve-zaderzhali-brata-vozmozhnogo-organizatora-terakta-v-metro-peterburga .
jhvh1: Scintillating conversation!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm really enjoying the notes from scintillator quest
ben_vulpes: extremely educational
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: many lulzy finds. for instance, anthracene ( from coal ) is still the all-time champ. BUT you can't buy it in proper crystal, other than su-manufactured on 'ebay' !
ben_vulpes: oh interesting
asciilifeform: (why ? i have nfi. maybe americans never learned how to grow it..? srsly? 19th c. process )
ben_vulpes: san francisco no es un pais pobre: http://68.media.tumblr.com/d10d40d189e246943eefd0a39cc0078c/tumblr_oon71r8Ttw1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg (from bruces)
asciilifeform: or, for instance, PET/PETE plastic (as in 'soda' bottle) is a pretty good one
asciilifeform: but go and buy a brick of it.
asciilifeform: the immense difficulty of 'human' getting small qty. of just about anything that doesn't live in lolmart, is why i piss on people who piss on 'ebay' etc.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/f1FVJ << somebody doing 'god's own work', fleecing blueblood idiots
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646279 << these are found in every 'chinatown'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 19:44 ben_vulpes: san francisco no es un pais pobre: http://68.media.tumblr.com/d10d40d189e246943eefd0a39cc0078c/tumblr_oon71r8Ttw1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg (from bruces)
asciilifeform: but normally labeled in chinese, not english
phf: fwiw, it's socially acceptable to cook cicadas in maryland, every 9 or whatever years that they come out
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes crickets are supposedly delicacy, yoiu can get them chocolate covered or with nuts.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646282 << you can get feeder plastic, what.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 19:45 asciilifeform: but go and buy a brick of it.
ben_vulpes: silly me
mircea_popescu: sold by the 100k ballots.
ben_vulpes: here i was thinking that rooting around in the dirt for grubs was for teh poors
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, it rained so densely here antennas couldn't see each other half mile away.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know how truffles are made ?
ben_vulpes: found by trained pigs, no?
mircea_popescu: in where ?
ben_vulpes: "trees", but to answer the first question i suppose a resounding "no"
mircea_popescu: in mud, what.
mircea_popescu: "trees" in the sense that at the root of certain oak trees.
ben_vulpes: at least there's a trained pig involved, that sounds like some sort of capital investment.
ben_vulpes: also truffles are hard to find, aren't crickets farmed? or was that cockroaches
mircea_popescu: i've no idea, not much of a fan
mircea_popescu: azn stuff afaik
ben_vulpes: this concludes the #trilema daily episode of ben_vulpes is wrong about everything
mircea_popescu: see you tomorro!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646293 << didja miss the part re 'humans' ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 20:01 mircea_popescu: sold by the 100k ballots.
asciilifeform: you can buy ~anything at all, if you're willing to invest in megatonne of it.
mircea_popescu: dude, pet is like 50 bucks a ton, buy a ton.
asciilifeform: i dun have a 100K$ injection mold.
asciilifeform: nor place to put it, etc.
mircea_popescu: you might be able to buy pre-made bricks on chinazon
asciilifeform: they dun do qty1. of anything.
asciilifeform: it's simply not +ev for'em.
asciilifeform: we had this thread, in re pogo's marvell cpu.
mircea_popescu: alibaba ?!
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/X8zty/?raw=true << in embedded shitware noose.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in titillation today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d60bb13709bf3c22d64d7701da9e0d40/tumblr_oogy83tEbk1sh9c67o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: aaaahahaha, guess who was invovled! http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SPLC/SPLC-IR.html << our good friends at state-funded kgb outreach!
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646262 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756992
a111: Logged on 2014-07-15 20:17 Rassah: asciilifeform: Atmel SAM4L series running the software, with random number being generated only from SRAM, in combinaton with other things we're considering, like a salt you can add in a TXT file
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 17:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one point we had a thread with d00d who sold 'sram as rng' iirc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwat, involved where
mircea_popescu: all in all, the whole conway/bailey pile of shenanigans is a fine de-facto blueprint of "activism" of the ilk every idle nobody and her star-sister's trying to engage in.
asciilifeform: oh hey ty danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's funny how there's always a "we" ; and it's also funny the thing's always structured in the same manner. brings to mind say http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-i-discuss-things-i-have-no-idea-about/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as per link, "RAGE ON THE RIGHT A rage is growing on the right. Before it is done, untold numbers of men and women may have to die, casualties in America's ongoing culture wars. By Mark Potok, Editor, SPLC Intelligence Report".
mircea_popescu: cca 2003.
asciilifeform: splc is ~the~ 'j00z-hunting-crimethinkers-by-whatever-means' org in usa.
asciilifeform: they, e.g., got the heimbach d00d (see logz) thrown out of school, various folks - from wherever they worked, etc.
mircea_popescu: no i know.
mircea_popescu: i was just observing that intel dug out stuff in your linkpile making my earlier position that less tenable.
mircea_popescu: "what kgb ?!" "the poverty law center dorks" "oh."
danielpbarron: http://i.imgur.com/aaRxUD1h.jpg << for asciilifeform, i snapped this yesterday near Williamsburg MA. also possibly interesting to BingoBoingo (can you identify the vehicle i was driving)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what am i looking at
danielpbarron: the sign
asciilifeform: iirc it is at&t euphemism for usg bugwagens ,
asciilifeform: for whom parking spot is always reserved at telco stations.
asciilifeform: the house in the background doesn't look like a telco tho, no bars on 2nd story windows
danielpbarron: i just watched Brazil the other night, maybe the reference is not as obvious as i thought
asciilifeform: it was in my head, but eclipsed by reality, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly ~now~ you can picture why asciilifeform's picture of conway switched , at that time, from 'hmm, but vlsi!' to 'i wonder where conway stole the credit for vlsi'
mircea_popescu: a lust fo powa will do strange things to habitually powerless people.
asciilifeform: hence vavilov, aha
asciilifeform: i'd imagine at this point in the neverending 20th c. it'd be obvious at least to literate folx, that this type of 'power grab' is about as great an idea as grabbing live hv cable .
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other-asian-cuisine, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bda5a1b8b2a9f884b1d07f2b1b0cb6d1/tumblr_ooep7c4QRN1ust2lpo1_1280.jpg
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-19#1646329 << relatedly: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ldvN5/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2017-04-19 20:24 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's funny how there's always a "we" ; and it's also funny the thing's always structured in the same manner. brings to mind say http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-i-discuss-things-i-have-no-idea-about/
asciilifeform: lol. straight to oven.
danielpbarron: http://i.imgur.com/VnfAvHih.jpg << text linked above came from this
asciilifeform: that tattoo is really sumthn
ben_vulpes: wow reads like an ebonics student
ben_vulpes: > mothin fuckin uhhhh
ben_vulpes: great scenery though. walls all the same color the landlord left 'em in.
asciilifeform: what colour ben_vulpes's walls ?
ben_vulpes: a few black, a few a dark green, kiddo's room is blue
ben_vulpes: off-white above eye-level, colors below
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does not twiddle living space aesthetics?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't have much exposed wall !
asciilifeform: wall is this slot where you put b00kcase.
ben_vulpes: nobody said anything about now much exposed
asciilifeform: or lcd grids, etc
asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't see much wall paint.
ben_vulpes: guitars, but yes
asciilifeform: guitars, sitars, swords, whichever.
ben_vulpes: part of a balanced interior decoration diet.
mircea_popescu: lol da fuck is this.
mircea_popescu: anyway, random chav or w/e you call the plebs where you live. what's notable ?
ben_vulpes: nothing, was being sarcastic
Framedragger: re. bitbet (unsigned), http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/csimk/?raw=true (from https://bitbet.us/bet/1361/alphago-to-beat-ke-jie-in-april/#c7085 - archive.is failing to archive this as of now)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-18#1645407
a111: Logged on 2017-04-18 04:36 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 0 word re where it was for ~2wks << "BitBet Mod 17-04-17 at 14:49 Dear BitBet users, Our apologies for the extended downtime. We underwent a ddos attack, motivated by a rather base extortion attempt (the 4th or 5th this year, but this one was unusually large). We have taken steps with our ISP to buy additional ddos protection capacity and are back to normal operations. All funds under our
Framedragger: oh, thanks. not been a diligent reader of logs for last coupla days.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/ << Trilema - FUCKGOATS, unboxing of ~
asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey.
mod6: pretty awesome :]
Framedragger: that address is hella prustian
mircea_popescu: innit though!
ben_vulpes: in other news, portland fashioning itself as a testbed for robocar experiments
ben_vulpes: *urban* robocar experiments!
ben_vulpes: by which i mean a testbed for hooligans with GPUs, bad attitudes, and a cursory interest in adversarial image generation.
mod6: do some magic, make every destination river
asciilifeform: or the river -- a destination...
mod6: AWS: Account has been closed.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that actually sounds pretty cool.
ben_vulpes: pedalpalooza's coming up
ben_vulpes: might be fun to distribute large fabric squares to bike scum that say something like "THIS PATCH HACKS ROBOCARS" with a nonsense illustration below
mircea_popescu: and in other vintage, https://68.media.tumblr.com/59dee5b0fa46082499c5aea2a0dee150/tumblr_omaxhcNpvk1vvow1po1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1205.16, vol: 6172.59109839 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1210.999, vol: 6126.70945 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1265.2, vol: 7570.22494824 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1030.21, vol: 4136.78500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1212.778, vol: 2144.25208046 | Volume-weighted last average: 1196.85786652
BingoBoingo: very stabilitit
asciilifeform in other noose, now has a pretty clean 'transparently mmapize arbitrary object to disk' ada thing.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, color of paint is secondary or even tertiary concern. Promary purpose of paint is as protective coating