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(ossasepia) diana_coman: not exactly a surprise by now, is it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for that matter, you should not choose words at random either; that would be piling even more idiocy on top of the stupidity, indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: words are NOT chosen at random around those parts! if you want random-words, go to the shannonizing crowd.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: for that matter, it's not even the first time you do this stupid morphing to the more convenient - see the very first delivery vs the actual requirement and even stated (by you!) work that was supposed to be done.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and esp out of re-reading it :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, I doubt you said all you can get out of reading it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what is this, the soviet shop, we'll give you what-we-have-no-matter-what-you-asked-for? and be happy too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's always fine to write more / + something else, sure; it's NEVER fine to SILENTLY switch something for something else, wtf.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that's fine and nice but it's not a review :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yeah, it does sound a lot like a projection first of all; for one thing, note the "" in the text on both hypocrisy and narcissist; and for the other, read the damned text, not your own inner script unless you really want to avoid at all costs actually learning something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: btw, is this meant to be the review of An Outpost of Progress?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it takes several passes to make links and the more passes for the more far-reaching links really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie that require re-reads because you can't possibly quite get it at first read since at first read you barely get what is said in just that text really eg you might perhaps piece together just what it was exactly this "what I want in a friend", if even that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's the contrast between those 2 and the consequences of it that comes to light.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to the last sentence, think of who in there would "discover hypocrisy" and then be all butthurt about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as in this case that sharp contrast between what Caragiale himself wanted in a friend vs what he obviously wanted in a son (some years later too!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at some point though and *only upon re-reading* as in layer upon layer of peelings of meaning and of making connections and of integrating and you-name-it-what-else, something alltogether new may come to light for you
(ossasepia) diana_coman: arguably you could get some things from Mateiu's letter too (though I admit I can barely stand reading his whining but anyways).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie at first (and even several subsequent) read(s) of Caragiale's description of meeting Eminescu, you might get all sorts, there's plenty just in that alone.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/?b=successive&e=#select + "in this vein" -> it's the whole process there, not just a pedestrian "example = here's what I found".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: works as a very simplified version, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: as I ended up doing a long log-crawl on v-matters because it's still bugging me, I found several discussions on spaces vs tabs but overall I can't tell what the current conclusion is on this: does anyone know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the EOD reports are fine and good but they are just that: reports; do you get the difference between report and review?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: at some point you'll have to review those plans too overall, in one of the weekly reviews, it's not *all* just "how I changed".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: does that mean all the tasks for this week got done?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, jfw finds out he likes destroying things too, not only making them?
(trilema) diana_coman: hello mp_en_viaje
(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah, it's a mess for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in truth, themes should rather be branches on the mp-wp common trunk, the way I see it but this is again not entirely possible without friction atm and so the tension there + getting them mixed in, ugh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what that is, is the pain that signals to you that either you are doing something stupid or otherwise the rest of people around are doing something stupid.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's unclear to me how do you pick out of the list and/or whether you have any defined way to pick really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: you know, by now you can probably append there a whole list of stuff that fell by the wayside.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no, it's not a drawback to having a manifest file, ugh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: note that if you go the route of own local v-branch, you'll need to keep regrinding all future vpatches; if that's worth it, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: useful pain on both options there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, you are then quite stuck on either porting all vpatches to some local vtree branch or otherwise making all further changes manually
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: applying code manually would not be a problem in itself (it's code and you are supposed to read & get it therefore be able to deploy it yourself!); the problem there though is from your changes: if they are useful fixes, why didn't you v-pack and publish them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: glad to hear it and enjoy your time there!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: safe travels and have fun in Uruguay jfw !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-06#1012195 - heh, your feelings are out to save you this time!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: most welcome :)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-06#1012185 - or simply the fact that any change is by definition more costly than no change; resistance of the medium applies when yourself are the medium too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman will go to admire more closely how English attempts at winter failed yet again; will bbl.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's certainly a reflection of the fact that you find it important, yes; and so indeed you should certainly write about it; note that this doesn't mean that every tiny detail is just as important ie you aim for truthful (if, inevitably, subjective since it's your own lens) not some "objectively complete" nonsense.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: and for that matter, in general, stop trying to control other people's reactions, it's silly bordering on stupid really because there's no real benefit from it but it comes with a very real cost.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: understand this: if you take the time to write something, it's because *that something* is worth writing about; that's it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: when you write something, you *should* be concerned with reflecting as truthfully as you can whatever it is you are writing about but that's where it stops really; the "effect" is entirely out of your control and it will always be so.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: why exactly should you be concerned "with the effect"? it's anyway a quite impossible "concern" and yes, it will inevitably send you spinning precisely because it is...impossible to fix.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: interconnected/linked does not mean at all pause to everyone; but there's no imminent danger of that so not much point worrying about it now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: as your latest plan was made only up to today, does this mean you are publishing the next plan today or are you keeping the weekends out of the plan or what?
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: I'd like first to have yggradsil.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as if you could anyway figure out the effect upfront; how are you going exactly to know the effect it will have and on whom, pray tell?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: certainly; for starters: why are you concerned with the effect?
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: yeah, the problem that is easier to solve (for bonus points it also allows for a very elegant solution, yay); true.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: myeah, except here the bottleneck is people signing, not "too many sigs"; arguably at some point we get to too many sigs but I don't see it there yet.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what do you over-think there anyway?
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: maybe; I don't really know why would I go about uploading my sig to someone else's site.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: sure, can automate the process further.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I don't see that problem; what I sign I put on my code shelf where it belongs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so it's your spinning taking 10hrs+, not the writing; make a decision and stick by it, what; if you can't decide, then you get to write ALL variants (and if that doesn't make you decide next time faster, it's at least some writing practice for all that spent time).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the cost of running it*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: if you end up looking for a dehumidifier make sure you calculate the cost too, esp if you run it in a sieve-house that you end up trying to dehumidify the jungle or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: indices can make quite a difference indeed; so according to the not-so-optimistic schedule, when do you plan to be done with the wallet?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: sounds good; how's the work on the wallet going otherwise?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-06#1012127 - now this should better end up as some chronicles of tico adventures since I can't quite figure out what else can take 10hours+.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-05#1012117 - you know, it depends on what you have running and for how long the UPS can keep it running, in principle; if you don't care, you are better off just turning everything off anyway for the night and there's no problem at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-05#1012113 - ha! not a moment too soon to have sorted those out, is it; for beeping elucidation -> rtfm?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I suppose you can equally visit BingoBoingo while he is still in Uruguay.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: otherwise why... run, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman vaguely hopes whaack does border runs on some proper motorbike at least.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sounds sensible indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: kind of weird the sort of uncertainties you choose to live with :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: do you have your dates for the Dec/Jan holidays?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: better indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: please do, yes; it's anyway less pain now before anyone else signed it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I think that and similars will get clarified only as the thing finally gets moving towards that yggdrasil; so yes, not clear yet and it's been stuck for ages too.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: he also has a business to develop.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: anyways, now you basically give people a lot of work to do to catch up with your code that's finally published; I suppose that balances at least the writing-pain of sorts but I still feel like poking you in the eye for keeping silent for so long.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, they have actually developed a partnership that works, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, it is not very clear and moreover it's also a bit old by now so some things have changed, most notably - yes - the manifest part.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: anyway, I'm not complaining re my deeds at all; I just wish others would stop being so blocked really.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: oh, you mean they came because of my vpatch signs?? I rather doubt it.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: for all the good that does to me, myeah.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie not literally "genesis-hash" but "root1Name-its-hash" of sorts.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the way I read that is that a v-press from a leaf that has several possible roots should end up in as many dirs as you have roots - ie as many presses effectively - with each dir named based on the hash of the corresponding root (admiteddly I didn't go back fully to see maybe there's more I don't recall on that older convo)
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: and yes, it's possibly precisely one of those things that end up doing more harm than good; and keep people petrified because omg, not All Those Capital Letters Yet.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: then that Truly Eaten is up there with The Holy Gospel and all that.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: is that you on eucrypt?
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: the part where "read but don't/didn't sign" is starting to get also positively insulting in my books.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: I don't quite think so; laziness surely interferes with signing other people's patches and I expect it interferes with reading more deeply other people's code too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, it is; partly because parts are still missing (most glaringly moving files)
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: that is anyway a given.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I can't figure out which discussion you are referencing there, hm; but even as you state it there, that would be something done from outside *with* a patch considered "genesis"; basically any vpatch has a hash anyway, could equally well use that to identify the (sub-)trees that start from it, no?
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: maybe, but note that "hater" is *your* addition, at all times here, this is exactly what I'm saying.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: isn't it easy to just let people make their own mind as it shows through their actions? anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: just change it in there to make it clearer, not an issue.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: gah, would you stop with the berlin wall and fatwas and whatnots.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: this para is not very clear at all if one doesn't import already quite a lot; just re-phrase it really.
(asciilifeform) diana_coman: asciilifeform: is that v-tree different than the trb one or what do you mean?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, not a priority atm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so then possibly a recompile + change of server IP is all it takes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do you have a eulora account already?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that sounds like some mismatch there ie you have it compiled with something other than you have running on the machine currently.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up dorion_road
(ossasepia) diana_coman: iirc there is no incompatibility problem as such ie at most you need to update the server IP.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eulora is more of "figure out how to hold on long enough & make the most of it"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the game server is up ; the webpage is not up though; do you have the client?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so ...plan that trip? you do have quite a lot of stuff to sort out first though, iirc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: quoth Eulora: can't have it all - where would you put it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: !!up done.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ha, can't have it all?
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up dorion_road
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-05#1012033 - this is pretty much the core trouble - there is no clear proof of "this is indeed more secure than that"; you can pick and choose various criteria, sure, but what they mean exactly is not that clearcut.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: sounds like a normal saltmines working day,huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how do you reason anyway re similarity genesis-main/makefile? because "genesis" is whatever vpatch is the root of a tree but not really substantially different in any way from another vpatch otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: eh, re genesis vs main/makefile - don't mix stuff there really; the idea with V overall is of building yggdrasil not just having tree-stumps all over the place (and all of them starting at genesis because ofc!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and it does look like the one I was searching for there, indeed, thank you; will see if it's the one MP had in mind too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: why not; extreme heat is way more...festering, anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman was seriously looking around for places-with-snow-to-go-to-already-ffs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cool then; (hopefully with some snow soon too :P ).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re think it through, know that it's not just that/here; it struck me that you have quite the trouble processing the not-so-sunny side of things really and that's most likely the actual cause of your long deep-freeze too; but that can perhaps wait.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: any further questions re planning? does it all make sense/fit somewhere?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hah; /me had school kill all basketball enjoyment, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, ruining your fitness then, I see.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and now: what part of your plan did I mess up with this long discussion today? :p
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that doesn't mean they'd help you; figure out what/if it helps you, don't just reach for whatever is around; if you say it helps you, then go ahead but do think it through, ok?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: plan for the unplanned; double the unknowns; DO adjust it if/when/as needed rather than keeping quiet like a mouse yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you do know more than you think and then at the same time you think you know more than you do :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha! now to next week planning: how are you going to go about it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I can quite more-than-believe it, yes :)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, the point is not that it should take 4 hours or something but simply that whatever you do gets its proper time and attention, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and then the coffee break!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, a 24 old me avoided French for lunch because with them it would take 1 hour ffs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you don't really do humble all that well, do you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it might seem "not productive" but that's not true.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: you also clearly need and benefit from time to process things; don't just discard/ignore that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and honestly, if anyone started planning my time on meals, I'd go nuts.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: overall, the plan (and especially the initial plan) is really meant to be a roadmap, not a straightjacket (and I seriously think it would hinder rather than help you if you make it all that rigid); so plan it as a flexible thing to start with: a guide to make sure you don't waste time, but not something so fixed that it can't/shouldn't adapt to significant changes as they happen.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: which makes you extremely pleasant to work with in first instance, granted, but doesn't help you otherwise a lot.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: the other significant part is that you really seem to plan more on the "I'd love to do this" than "it'll take this much", lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw you have a broken link on "update" in #o on Wed in there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically this lack of space for the unplanned is what threw off your week starting with Monday there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the learning/new part simply means that you double/triple/whatever your estimate because you clearly can't possibly estimate it correctly when you are not even sure wtf that thing is; then there is the above and the expecting-the-unexpected that comes on top and yes, it's more of a perspective shift indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, have "time permitting" stuff in the queue to fill those buffers should the world turn incredibly tame that day, but that's an unexpected piece of good fortune, not the expected turn of events.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie do NOT plan every hour of your day; because if you plan it ALL, you will inevitably end up snowballing stuff at the first unplanned event.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw, this was mentioned before (if perhaps not all that clearly in this respect): http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-13#1010216
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how was it, failing to plan is planning to fail; but - adds diana - so is too-rigidly planning the unknown future.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because that's just planning to fail really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so, good plans are *not* extremely rigid and to-the-second-known-upfront
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but even if you did, that was just luck :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I don't know if this is because until joining here you found reality way more ..predictable or something (hah, did you?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, back to your plan and review there: first thing is that unplanned stuff is a given really but you failed to make any provision for it, to start with.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: you know, part of the reason why I asked you re past experience with planning is that otherwise you don't strike me as very... how to even say it, easily planned/plan-fitted; you clearly are/can be disciplined, yes but that's a different thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not everything is really worth (and even effective) planning at the same level of detail either;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: not necessarily; it's simply that there's planning and planning; ie "at all costs" means one thing and that thing is mainly: ~everything else gets cut to the bone, until the main thing is done; the "within this/that" means that the plan will be itself more leniently made.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: getting back to your review of the planning, on Thursday there's the "I had originally planned to have the JWRD article drafted and ready for Jacob to review here. I didn't manage that" - what happened there? ie was it just not enough time or did you get sidetracked or what exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: glad to hear it :)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha; was she correct at least?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "I want to see done" is incomplete as such; there's "I want to see done at ANY COST" and "I want to see done within this/that cost"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that for sure but there's more to it there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: hm; and do you enjoy that "everything you have to do has to be considered, like when and for how long you spend time eating" ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'd rather think that has more to do with reflection than with plans :P but good for you anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: through your experience making plans.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or hm, did you ever check that? lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: private wouldn't be a problem in itself; the question is to what extent the events fit the plans.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: mind giving me a summary as to what you've got/learn from that experience? there are quite a few things I see there but it helps to know where you're coming from on this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (similarly aka to same level of detail)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: did you ever plan similarly your time before?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: with those days previews/reviews, it sounded like you actually already had some experience with planning but now it's not that clear - was it only since coming here that you did this sort of thing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: otherwise though, those deadlines were clearly not enough/not well chosen; which of those?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you mean it would have been otherwise even worse, I can see it, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: to what extent did the "specify deadline" approach work to improve anything there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: you have some unclose footnotes /other tags in your review and so half of it ends up as a footnote; will you fix it so I can have a proper look at it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that "genesis.vpatch" is a horribly-chosen name.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: hah, certainly makes for less tense reading! can confirm too that it builds and matches expected hashes; further than that, the code will require some pen-and-paper reading though; re "as secure as SHA3", do you have some sort of "how secure" measurement at all?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (which is not as surprising as it might seem to the naive)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: by the time all problems are actually addressed, whaack will build his own house in CR :D
(trilema) diana_coman: well, tbh I saw way worse from others ie not-packing-at-all, literally left as an overflowing mess; it's still funny though, certainly.
(trilema) diana_coman: they half-heartedly shove it all back in again ie they didn't steal anything but didn't really pack it either; one of the drive bays' clamp was sticking out of the box even; I took some pics for the lolz but not sure when/if I get around to publish them.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: found them (ie 1 bag), yes; on the other side, even the corner of the metal case is bent, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: did you get yourself a multimeter too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you clearly get nudged to pay your basic electronics debts :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I rather expect the wiring is a mess there and that's what's wrong but yes, you'll need to look at it, certainly.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo_: the server finally arrived (and rather surprisingly, since the tracking page had no mention of any delivery date even this morning), thank you; it's been thoroughly pawed and decorated with "border force" tape but they can't hold a candle to you when it comes to packing, clearly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: plan it like that then, with 2 passes and see how it goes, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically your "final review" was more like first revision really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the other, if you end up with major revision, then yes, it will need another pass, it's a sort of back-to-step-2 indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: for starters, it needs a time gap because otherwise you won't see as much as you could after a break.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-03#1011822 - ahem, did you do the re-read properly before this stage that was supposed to be just final review?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well then, if it helps, I'd rather read the recovered history than no history too, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: alternatively, you can of course just... admit and live with that, as "not worth recovering" or something, I suppose; your call, either way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, you are there your own historian so you get the double pleasure of cursing those imbecilles who didn't document properly + being cursed :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as in keeping to the one perspective that matches anyway; for one thing it helps by reducing (or getting rid of) that tension anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie focus on your actions ie tell it from your perspective since that's how it was developed anyway + simply add footnotes/references when/where you used the logs/blogs/whatevers since that's how they played in anyway, isn't it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yes, include it but precisely as what it was - a reference only.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ahahah, it takes a sort-of-riot to ...empty the bins? lmao.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: going to India too? :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you don't *have to* write it as if it was already part of the forum or anything; you are bringing it forwards now and people want to see it, yes, but the history is what it is, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, the debt there has also the lack of your own writings to rely on otherwise; but more to the point, why not simply write it as what it was aka "I worked on this on my own (but reading the logs/this/that)"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yes; other than that, the added trouble you are having there is the silence-gap that you are effectively trying to bridge while writing but inevitably retro-actively and so you get both the split and the resulting tension between "I'm talking of my work that I did alone" vs "but I *was* reading the logs and informed by it"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: were the recollections enough to write the text though? ie could have written it first and then time the reference-digging separately; and yes, it's an ever growing pain to find refs around here though I expect in your cases here you had it even harder as it wasn't all that fresh in memory, hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, do you mean it was time consuming finding the exact references there? (ie you knew what you wanted /that they existed but just had to spend time to find them?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what was that digging for/in/about?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: aha; it even read a bit like "he's not FULLY decided on which way to go and which way to not go"; hence my question; hmm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: is this keccak background the result of 1.5 hours + 0.5hrs planning?
(trilema) diana_coman: but I found it increasingly apt to describe those, as I grew up, indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, I always ever heard it spoken only (strabunica apriga dixit, ofc.) so ...always wondered really.
(trilema) diana_coman: neah, just capu' lui mai fu-se la un cur de baba.
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, such men that get all bogged down that it's all "old women's fault".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: enjoy!
(trilema) diana_coman goes back to cs+eulora client
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: makes sense; atm though there's still a lot of "posts" all over mp-wp and it's annoying because it makes me trip over and go "post" when I mean article, myeah; a lot of cleaning left to do on that but irc billymg was on it so I shall refrain currently from further trespassing :P
(trilema) diana_coman: yeah, would give some idea as to what it is; given I took out any check on email field now anyway, I'd really want a screenshot if it happens again! lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: was that email address less than 6 chars in total? that and/or no '@' would have failed the check.
(trilema) diana_coman: hanbot: iirc there was some issue if one messed up something in that additional spam filtering change because it touches indeed the same file and it's ~easy to make a mistake so it just kills all comments; but then it kills all really so hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack dorion_road you might want to increase the number of comments and posts shown in the sidebar, as 5 is rather little when there's quite the discussion going on; it's an easy change too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do apply that mp-wp fix to keep trackbacks out of comments
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the backup sounds finally fine; re writing heh, keep that in mind at next "estimate" of timing, you know?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-02#1954082 - no changes really; on looking at it, that error was thrown on too-short/missing email/name so possibly that's what happened? At any rate, since I don't care about email really, I took the check on email out so please try again and let me know if it's still missbehaving (my testing comments all went through fine, from different machines & IPs).
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up dorion_road
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw jfw dorion_road (when you get back to your key, obv) you should at least rate one another really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, it is easier for sure so that part I can see, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: or are you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yeah, I quite think you are not very fond of reporting otherwise :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whether you did them more for yourself or not, only you can tell really; my suggestion here was simply to point out to you that ultimately they are meant to be of most use to you really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yes, they were certainly more actively reviewing, you know? it might be that you simply left this one so late + rushed it so much that there was no time & inclination to review anything but that's the effect already, not the root cause.
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