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(ossasepia) diana_coman: you've been around for a lot of time but most of it you've been so elusive that overall there's surprisingly little all that clear from you, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: cool; do you have something more concrete/detailed in mind re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-08#1012295 ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so update those tasks and do something with that bot too; it'll make for more interesting review too, anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not some artefact to worship-but-not-touch, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yes and moreover *standing up* trinque's bot too; read the code, annotate it, but ALSO stand it up after that, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter in general, why so carefully-theoretic-only about all of it really; sure, theory is fine and useful but only if put to practice too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: isn't that best done when you can already ...do it though? I mean what, you look at them now and then by the time you finally get the parts you forgot anyway most of it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh if it's worth spending 4 hours reading, then it's by the same logic worth spending another half hour summarizing and publishing it; but I have a rather hard time imagining what you get out of just-theory-reading, it's a practical skill after all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what exactly are you going to read though for 4 hours on this??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do you have all the computer components now?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and the "inevitable", "who could have predicted" result of it, too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: well yes, it's the telltale sign of the whole pretense.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: well, how is he a narcissist if he cares that much about... his father's opinion of him rather than, you know, about himself?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion_road: just pay more attention to word-changes, that's all; it's ...surprising and in this context boring is better really; (you did once before too).
(trilema) diana_coman: dorion_road: you switched from guidelines/expectations to qualifications and best practices and they are not the same thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: any more spinning?
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, also #saracdarcinstit !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: for next week's plan, list separately all those things that end up eating your days; it's getting rather tedious to keep searching in there for something other than saltmines, running around and various others really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, you are right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ah, right you are, I had it on some zoom, right.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hah, I was just admiring your photos (and how the bar overlaps some of them, too).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: why not write anything on your blog about all those things that went on, anyway? even "hey, I'm in Vancouver, hoooray!" or something ("I'm alive" works too, lol)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: btw re school, what they did wrong from what you say is precisely that they let you get away with that "passively resented"; here something for ref: http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: well, writing and reading more would possibly be more straightforward really, especially if you do it around people who actively and routinely give feedback, as it happens here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, now as an adult it might be worth perhaps revisiting the various acquired habits and deciding to keep/not keep and develop if needed what works best rather than what you happened to end up with; just saying here, not like I stand to gain anything by it either way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: what did the school do so horribly re reading?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you do realise though that what this "audio but NOT text to speech" means is precisely *not* differently wired.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, it's the abstract part that is less practiced, I see.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and you'd be surprised how many are known around here though possibly not quite in the way you expect, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: ie why produce video if you need to *listen*, it doesn't quite follow anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, you can always simply have a software read the text to you, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: brain is quite a malleable thing, much more than most imagine; ie habits can easily mean you are currently better with one form than with another but that doesn't mean it is to your advantage overall to keep with it, nor that you "can't the other because differently wired" .
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: eh, go easy on him, he's in the thick of it there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so yes, it might be "only 24 minutes" but what I get for spending those 24 minutes that way is significantly less than what I get for spending 24 minutes reading a properly written text, that's the rub (and what you get out of it is similary less, too).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: just for a tiny thing: say I want to reference one specific sentence (or even just a part of it!) from your audio there; how exactly do I reference it precisely? while with text, look here: http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/?b=absolutely&e=#select
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: both formats have *their uses*, sure, nobody denies that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I get the absorb (if you mean with those readers that double/triple the speed) but you lose on interaction and linking with others.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: it's not really that irc self-selects, it's the other way around ie we are on irc because text is better.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh hey, not even that big gap, I'm 38.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: would you mind terribly if I ask you how old you are?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: seriously now, writing is the superior format from ~all points of view.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: people around here can read and that's more than 10 times faster than watching videos so ..uhm, thank you but no; do you have a transcript?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you followed the links in those articles you read around here, you might have noticed that there are plenty of *relevant* comments AND links to pretty much all the articles around; it's neither by chance this, nor something to discard, quite the opposite.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: why not make yourself your own blog and write there why exactly you think segwit is a good decision, anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but no, the fact that it can't take over (that's what you are saying there with "can coexist") is not "part of segwit", no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but it's true, it's not on my back as it were, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: I doubt that part with "nobody gets hurt" really; they do, namely the naive and the noobs and so on; just like they have been doing with in all other scams etc; there's plenty history of this "nobody gets hurt" except...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but at any rate: if something can be fully ignored -> it does *not* do anything so ....what exactly is there to even talk about?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: how do you mean?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: for one thing I don't tend to receive btc just from anyone so there is that double layer of ignoring (ie I ignore also people-on-segwit really, not just segwit, I suppose).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: but honestly, do yourself a favour and don't eat that pressed cardboard they sell as food at mcdonalds, ffs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: heh, so why not pics and blog about it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: uhm, how do you reckon I can't ignore it? you know, I also ignore a WHOLE lot of other equally "majority use" stuff and with the same sort of happy benefits (eg https! javascript! windows!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I can't say I see any downside to this either, only positives really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: in a nutshell, I fully ignore segwit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-11#1012578 - money does flow a certain way, yes; but this doesn't mean that those people were really important to start with, they were just as inconsequential in the beginning really; think of it this way: if you give tomorrow a fortune to a pig, does that make the pig's values important all of a sudden, you reckon?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: yes but do you see the link with your earlier statement re vouching for segwit ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: I mean to say that what many people and moreover what generic, undistinguishable (ie yes, unimportant) people hallucinate that they value does *not matter* really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so how's Vancouver?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: I don't know much about your background to put this in a way that speaks more easily to you but no, the argument does not hold like that, ever; there is no power in just numbers (hey, they are MANY and therefore IMPORTANT).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: note I did not say "nobody", that's your addition; do you see the difference ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the important divide there is really that - people are not just interchangeable, equal, the same, how you want to call it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I care exactly 0 if the general "other" values my bitcoin (or my looks for that matter or my anything).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: no, not generally like that; people are not just numbers, you know? ie my bitcoins are worth something if *those I care to trade with* value them; not if "others" in general value it, fuck them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: the point is: there's no "secure" based on "majority agrees"; fuck "majority" with a sharp stick.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: for sure; I suppose you might want to read the take on universal franchise + consensus too, speaking of "majority consensus"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: even "what I perceive as majority" really.
(trilema) diana_coman: it didn't seem like it because it's a statement, not an explanation really; onth it doesn't link it either and supposedly it should, if it can be found and so on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: oh hey, not bad at all; and why wait, anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: so you vouch for something based, essentially, on "the majority agrees (for now) it's so" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: there's the statement as such that positive loops are just another name for death
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: mind giving an update as to where you are with the job hunt/change? or would you rather wait until after Christmas?
(trilema) diana_coman: well, supporting idiocy I'd say, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman looks at blender
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how's it going, shrysr ?
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I wanted to add precisely ^ .
(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah, this sort of thing has to be punishment rather than tax.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dunno, set yourself some idiocy tax : one satoshi per minute of "worry" and see for how long you can afford it, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but myeah, you always leave for yourself pleeeenty of slack because why not, all the time in the world and pura vida and all that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the point is to do something where you can't *afford* to be distracted.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: in fairness, an even better solution is to have something more serious to be worried about at least, if you must, there is that too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the best method to stop it is to DO something and preferably something difficult enough to not leave much space for idles worries.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: every time you start worrying about anything, do me a favour and tell yourself you're being an idiot.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, if you "find it best" then you don't "worry"; and no, I'd rather not fill the channel with any of this either but that starts with not wasting time "worrying".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if only stupidity was more painful while indulging in it than when admitting it after the fact.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and good that it's painful because seriously, worrying about, gah.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: why worries to start with? ie want to see her, call her/go, wtf.
(trilema) diana_coman: it is really because that's the start but then it gets discussed and the different values talked about and so on; so yes, I for one would very much prefer to have an article as ref.
(trilema) diana_coman: now I see it; I read depedent on ~my~ wot and I didn't get it was just moving the centre but keeping the l2 as well, hm.
(trilema) diana_coman: if that's the case, then there is no problem indeed since yes, they would still be able to self-voice for sure; in my mind it was that only your l1 can self-voice, hm.
(trilema) diana_coman goes to re-read the new self-voice model, maybe missed something.
(trilema) diana_coman: or at any rate, those rated by you.
(trilema) diana_coman: what do you want me to rate them as?
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ugh, what??? the new model is that only those rated by you with 9 can self-voice, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: rather than 30 minutes thing.
(trilema) diana_coman: alternatively I suppose the !!up could be perhaps permanent ie until a !!down
(trilema) diana_coman: they won't be able to self-voice and then what, someone has to voice them every hour or they end up kicked to one of the other chans?
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the only potential trouble I see with your proposed model is when the new voice model is implemented since my pageboys will not be able to hang around here at all anymore.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't mind it or anything; tbh only the other day I had a look at the list of names and picked RubenSomsen to pm & he got at least in #ossasepia, presumably still reading now through the mountain of links he ended up hit with.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahaha; and designer overalls, lmao; the exquisite sheep worming attiree.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954893 - heh, my first line on hearing of the training they give their clients was precisely how long until they find their way to here
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: and...why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yeah; still better on own shelf :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and sure, plenty of masochistic exercises available, don't worry of any lack there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: aha; note that centos 6 is a. last one without systemd b. set to vanish next March iirc ie get everything you need for it offline.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: last time I had a gentoo all graphics and bells and whistles and all that, it was horribly stinky (though I didn't bother to try and clean it, it was going to be stinky and that was that)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the first is a text with all words starting with f - you can read it too as it's the previous article there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: hm, in that case it's not all that clear if it's worth it really; tbh on my eulora-client-has-to-have-everything I ended up setting centos 6 because no idea wtf else is even remotely sufferable currently otherwise
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: well, it's a ... workout, lolz; how much did you use gentoo so far?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: behind the scenes, people ask for the recordings so here are the 2 rather poor recordings - first 2 links as the rest (other people reading same text) meanwhile vanished, gah.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, jfw for your ro-practice, here's from fain days: http://ossasepia.com/2010/07/20/versuri-si-traduceri/ answering the request from http://trilema.com/2010/cateva-versuri/ (and in turn the PS + some comments answer mine, as it happens).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no but it's based on gentoo so in principle if you can get it to bring in the whole x stack you'll end up with...gentoo, I suppose.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what do you mean? cuntoo does not have the x stack, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the logs since I brought up fain, this is the end announcement, when it was auctioned but nobody wanted to take it on and keep it alive.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: makes sense; but maybe first build that computer and get it running.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: perhaps not as much "harder" as missing one part, ie less content than the author provided, which is indeed precisely what it is: cut something out and you'll have less than it was (that being said and pushing this to the absolute ideal, even pics ca have textual descriptions to convey precisely what they are there for but let's not get too carried away).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, well, what's "harder" going to do though? ie all sorts of reasons for "harder" otherwise anyway; but yes, pics should not be mandatory for making sense of text, really now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, if no graphics then no pics, obv; if all the article is nonsense without seeing the pics, then shame on the author really :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: are you *reading* photos now?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, for eulora if not for anything else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: for reading blogs you wouldn't need graphics absolutely, no; that being said though, you DO need ONE station with graphics, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ah, no, sadly it's not alive anymore; I linked it for reference as to what it was, though probably I should have linked some trilema articles on it (eg http://trilema.com/2011/sa-desenam-cu-fain/); but the recordings are on blogs, there was some poem reading/translating, hm
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: re installation attempts, give Gales a spin at least; at any rate, if you want graphics though, you'll still need something else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: well yes, but what, after 8 hours of saltmines you are so tired that you can't read for 2 hours??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you know, I just realised that there are even some old voice recordings from old [fain.polimedia.us][fain] days, ha.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so then why so planned and eating out of the time for work, I don't get it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's also simply overall; also, reading is not work ffs, it's meant to be enjoyable; the way you plan the reading it's like a chore; is it that horrid for you or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: aha, servers rollin' for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hah; so... are you going to publish a recording too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie I can't spend too much time on photos or I'll throw all of them to the bin, so...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re photo tools, I'm probably not the best person to advise; I used all sorts, gimp, ristretto, feh, imagemagick; I think it's more a matter of figuring out the process that works best for you and then fitting the tools into it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it is, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, next time I'll have a go then "why no text!!!" :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: why no pics!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so good you asked then, at least it got clarified.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: take this week's plan for instance.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I mean for any week; look at % of time you spend and on what sort of things.
(trilema) diana_coman: and now I hope I won't have to cut & clean blender too, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: see if you're happy with it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: look though at your plan as well as a whole and figure out what % you are where.
(trilema) diana_coman: there are 1001 pythons in fact and at some point it used to be a half-decent quick-prototype/plaything tool; I'd say it got then pushed forwards & "adopted" and all that, because "easy".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: can you add the younghands.club feed to feedbot in here?
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: there is certainly something there in that CrystalSpace tries to be essentially a sort of OS all by itself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if after all that you can't find the rest on your own steam, it's unlikely anyone can help really so I'll leave it at that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: it's all there and here and in the logs - it just needs reading really; and maybe realising that "x years in bitcoin" might mean quite a different thing from what you thought it did.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-10#1012393 - ahaha, now this is quite something; a bit like saying "oh, that sun seems to be a little glowworm that got a lucky break.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-10#1012391 - without any haha really, you should make your own website and own everything you did/do, yes; it's quite basic personhood at that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: why not give the links above when I asked about you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh huh, "Prof. Ruben Somsen" too; this will be fun.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: have you been organising this ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: yw
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, now I snowed you in with links and all that, I'll let you chew through them; I'll bbl.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: re keys and exploring the wot, see wot.deedbot.org eg. this is me
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the WoT article I linked earlier should help explain "why" on this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: btw, you should register a key with deedbot if you want that there is at all any "you" around here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-10#1012374 - meant "when the keys were created", no idea what/how I messed that up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: do you know what this chan here is for/about?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, for as long as you are still able to actually evaluate and re-evaluate things as you find them out, everything is still open; it's just when you are done re-evaluating anything that there's nothing left really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re timing, you know you can for starters perhaps look at the keys of people around and where were they created, might give some hint, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: from those links you gave, I get the impression that you are very much in with the popular crowd, segwit and all that; correct?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do you know this thing that being wrong about something means that you are talking at least close enough to the topic as it were.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you are ...how to put this, not even close enough to be ...wrong, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so that I get some idea where you are at.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: mind giving me a brief summary as to what you made of trilema so far?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: ahahah
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, where to start you from since it's not exactly a small topic; I'd say for basics and at least useful in more ways than one: personal sovereignty, the WoT, the V manual genesis
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, RubenSomsen did you stumble on trilema.com on any of the several articles touching on identity and how it works?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that might fit you, if you say so, but it's not a universal nor a mandatory way-it-works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: how would that even work if *all* labels were necessarily part of your ego, good god, it'd be all contradictions in there, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not by default, no; the way I see it, labels are simply ...offered as potential clues; you have a look at them and may choose /decide if you care at all, anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: what are you working on those days? do you publish anything somewhere I can have a look at? (if you don't mind me looking at it...)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, labels are stuck by others, what are they to you otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: are you a cypherpunk too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman searches for some old photo where she had blue fingernails and all that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and do they run away if I go and say hi?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: oh huh, where do those cypherpunks hang around those days anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw, TMSR is the thing I'm part of; it does/did start with Trilema but it's not quite ~same thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: anyways; so what did those friends say that got you to have a look in the first place?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, I do this thing on occasion, inviting people to talk but I might be rather ...rare in this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: the point is that holes don't ever react, no; it's always and only people that might *act*; if you just wait until someone taps you on the shoulder, you might end up waiting for ever, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz; do you take *me* for a rabbit hole?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: RubenSomsen: ^
(ossasepia) diana_coman: has it? how's that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh hey, welcome RubenSomsen
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: get yourself all the sources that trinque published and make a plan to chew through them; they are mainly lisp too and you wanted that so hopefully you won't take ages on it either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: good to hear all went well; looking forward to the article too!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: on the bright side, good for looking ahead; on the murky side, if saltmines are indeed the single most important thing to you, then you are screwed already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyway, all right, we'll talk this Thursday at 8pm utc then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, meant to ask if it's utc-5 so yes, est; that seems to leave indeed only that sort of odd weekday evening or otherwise some weekend time, hm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: what hours are you on irc otherwise anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: Thursday 8pm can work, yes; Friday is really not much of an option (ie it tends to not work, on most weeks)
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well, with age and lock-up knees, it might indeed be quite impossible she kneels for you, there is also that.
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, maybe he'll just be seasick and ...very productive at it!
(trilema) diana_coman: I had more fun with the "how to make a movement" , "going under cover" and all the "we are very serious(ly playing) here"
(trilema) diana_coman: dorion_road: ^ so you can !!up yourself at least while the old voice model is still around.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v EFA5B4EC77E9EA76D606034E512BF9ACBF5847CE756A6297D71C3B932A58B2C4
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-08#1012295 - sure; does 7pm UTC work for you on some day of the week?
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, it should be hieroglyphics too, pfft.
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha; but yes, what's with all those hierogliphs anyway, slash and a bended sword!!
(trilema) diana_coman: history is quite an expensive thing to have anyway.
(trilema) diana_coman: well sure, how else
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I always wanted to do that rather than anything else, what can I tell you.
(trilema) diana_coman: that's *also* retirement!
(trilema) diana_coman: basically not realising that "not my time anymore" -> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-08#1954575
(trilema) diana_coman: iirc he also died quite soon after that so he was truly done anyway, there is that.
(trilema) diana_coman: whatever, his keeping the title or something.
(trilema) diana_coman: but yes, essentially not being surprised, indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: presumably his pension, nothing more.
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, the bridge was his folly in that he should have retired while not yet "the old one, it's time for us"?
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, that certainly (for both successful for 20 years and the gilkes part, sure)
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I took 9 years from 1870 (bridge building started in 1871) to 1879 (bridge collapsed one year after opening)
(trilema) diana_coman: hm; kind of got from young to old in 9 years though
(trilema) diana_coman: or it gets pushed first and it becomes the new fashion, "was there any other way??"
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, they moved the boats on that? I thought they had some part to flood for the purpose or something (because yes, isthmus is landmass)
(trilema) diana_coman: basically code literacy has still quite a way to go or something.
(trilema) diana_coman: maybe; to my eye there is also the annoying layer of "oh, I'm too busy writing about MY stuff to read (as in properly review and/or sign) other people's stuff.
(trilema) diana_coman: by now I have stuff to write up, down and every other way really.
(trilema) diana_coman: it's the first time I manage to crash nano like this but I suppose it won't be the last time.
(trilema) diana_coman: but yeah, talking of editors...
(trilema) diana_coman: opened up a vpatch from a dir eg nano -wF patches/some.vpatch and then from inside attempted to open another vpatch that was however in dir "a" - apparently it crashes; I did not yet spend more time to find out exactly why/where/how.
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, let me hereby inform the forum that in my current investigations of v-tronicity, I have managed therefore to crash (repeatedly!) the nano editor! with SIGFPE, arithmetic exception!
(trilema) diana_coman: the \t thing is at times annoying because the key is also mapped to other stuff but that is arguably a matter of "set the workbench so it's not"
(trilema) diana_coman: or a problem at all really.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't know re that as such; ie I don't mind it either way, whether \t or space, I don't see it as a huge problem.
(trilema) diana_coman: ... too much silence.
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah; honestly, reviewing the whole V-stuff, the part that bugs me most turns around exactly this sort of thing: the core idea as I see it was that "code is text" and therefore it should be discussed and read and undersigned and referenced and all that intertextuality and context and all; in practice there are the vtools providing some of the mechanics, there's a spread of discussions going every which way and otherwise there's rather ...
(trilema) diana_coman: indeed, \t or space, no other option exists really.
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, ofc.
(trilema) diana_coman: some people space code with \t precisely in the idea that you can set it to whatever you want it to be; others with spaces; and looking back through those discussions it seems to go one way and then the other and overall I have no idea if there was some conclusion to this or it remained up to each vpatch author or whatevers.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do you mean the vpatch should contain literally "\s" or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all right, go to it.
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