ben_vulpes: i'll lose my ase accreditation
ben_vulpes: in other holyshit do i live in drmistan: "call every single person i know to see if i can borrow one (locking lug nut removal tool), and the universal response is 'lol it's not legal for us to sell you one, much less lend them out'"
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-2#175311 << /me very intrigued
ben_vulpes: har
ben_vulpes: are those anynomint/stack overflow archive links dead for anyone besides me?
ben_vulpes: that anonymint feller is really going for the gold in plagiarism
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sure
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do you walk to places in cr? or in circles around the mountaintop of solitude looking for adorable fauna
ben_vulpes: iirc i pulled the whole shebang down with a wget --give-me-everything-no-seriously-recursive-too so it's a big ??? for me
ben_vulpes: phf: i honestly have no idea
ben_vulpes formally embarking on homeorificequest
ben_vulpes: sounds lovely
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how was the retreat?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-2#174580 << zany and interesting; we'll have more to say by next report absolutely
ben_vulpes: remainder sliver is ad tech and masters degree holders pouring cocktails
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not that i dispute that boeing, ms, and ~everything in that neighborhood are no more than imperial outposts
ben_vulpes: mm
ben_vulpes: f1maze: is this steemit thing plagiarizing the logs or what
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: incl. seattle?!
ben_vulpes: pierce county 795k
ben_vulpes: "but mp, half of people work for small companies!!1"
ben_vulpes: what fraction of folks work for operations not on the biggest list?
ben_vulpes: finitemaz: dunno that there's a wrong reason to come to trilema
ben_vulpes: ag3nt_zer0: not desired behavior, no, thanks for pointing it out
ben_vulpes: obvs works in #eulora, #trilema-mod6 etc
ben_vulpes: and ty mircea_popescu for kicking my ass to do it
ben_vulpes: even preserved what little backwards compatibility needed preserving with some feeelthy htmlz
ben_vulpes: !!v BB907D8F4402D2CA377D7BD22CEE31DE112100F6C197A433AA9EEE7F7D88669F
ben_vulpes: !!rate mimisbrunnr 1 a bot of mine
ben_vulpes: dun disagree in the slightest with either point
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i know the number of links pasted to my logger approaches epsilon, but rewriting those few links to the sensible scheme makes me squeamish nevertheless. probably resolved with a "hey doodz, updating my loggers refs, this includes editing lines logged to point to the new schema."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the amending is a point i get stuck on every time i start thinking about using sensible identifiers in my www logs
ben_vulpes: q is in re what makes an A' from an A, not a quote, prime symbol
ben_vulpes: what does a' mean in this context; spending same inputs as a but with eg different fee?
ben_vulpes: wallet dance as rbf i mean
ben_vulpes: dunno why it needed a name
ben_vulpes: this is the "replace by fee" thing?
ben_vulpes: also that
ben_vulpes: i didn't know people were accepting chained transactions
ben_vulpes: yeah, i can do the wallet dance, was curious about this
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh neato
ben_vulpes: so if i send a tx to friend a with no fee, and it gets stuck, the advice is to ask friend a to spend from that address and then miners are in the habit of then including the stuck txn?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: spend from the paying address or paid address?
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: well what i do not understand is what the low/high s bit has to do with its deprioritization in favor of spamola
ben_vulpes: how does this follow?
ben_vulpes: ja
ben_vulpes: ofc i forgot to set a fee for the node, so it's clearly my fault
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sent a transaction, refuses to confirm
ben_vulpes: does anyone have b006b252052c84eb2dba6e59c011215b2e1f6d401f14e655a676537cb651b55b kicking around in a mempool?
ben_vulpes: moo
ben_vulpes: from the peanut gallery, "amid declining relevancy, california community college cuts requirement that students complete a course of study in which there are right and wrong answers"
ben_vulpes still laughing
ben_vulpes: nah it's hilarious
ben_vulpes: escaped groceries lol
ben_vulpes: complete with illustration of confuzzled brown kid poking at ersatz computer
ben_vulpes: hey algebra is racist dontcha know? http://www.npr.org/2017/07/19/538092649/say-goodbye-to-x-y-should-community-colleges-abolish-algebra
ben_vulpes: in other penetratives, i've gotten mild mileage out of topical thc/cbd potions for 'programmer hand' leftover from laptop-on-train days
ben_vulpes: quelle sup
ben_vulpes: zhe had a hard time sleeping!
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: > "I momentarily resented having to misgender myself by attending a women's group ( I'm non-binary ) ..."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: something like that
ben_vulpes: not any more
ben_vulpes: interesting
ben_vulpes: "plink until it pops!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't actually recall his role in the anvin affair
ben_vulpes is regularly surprised at the thickness of derp found in the 'security community'
ben_vulpes: in other boeckisms: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/888-How-I-tricked-Symantec-with-a-Fake-Private-Key.html
ben_vulpes: phrenology, even
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'tis only a stopgap while i deploy rentier's capital
ben_vulpes: subject of mosquitos, BingoBoingo have y'ever fucked with 'octenol'?
ben_vulpes: much less the nursery lol, i am old and nigh to my grave and so spray liberally about myself. but the wee ones? i'm nottabout to pump the kid full of chemicals when i go so far the fuck out of my way to keep them out of his life in the first place.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: makes my lips numb, i don't really want it in the house.
ben_vulpes: well, 'bitching out' perhaps too strong. "you're going to do something right RIGHT?" "uh well yes we should do something!"
ben_vulpes: $girl handled whole thing from duct taping hole shut to bitching out landlord to scheduling exterminators and arranging for bill to arrive at landlord's place
ben_vulpes: in other woman stories, the wasps chewed a hole through the ceiling into the nursery last night
ben_vulpes: ahah this yeah
ben_vulpes: this looks extremely familiar
ben_vulpes: reputation of usg.polizei continues to decline, no longer safe to even approach cops once you've called for help: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/us/minneapolis-australian-woman-killed-by-police/index.html
ben_vulpes: swole wot is bad for fiatcoin, yes
ben_vulpes: in other toxic masculinity news, one of the guys i share the office with brought a set of olympic weights in
ben_vulpes: i'm very recently hamstrung in degrees of freedom by hardware failures, so i won't be terribly responsive for the immediate future. working on it tho.
ben_vulpes: thanks for the debugging input phf, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: and accelerations iirc
ben_vulpes: mm
ben_vulpes: mod6: plenty of great, green, steel gas cans with no idiocy for sale on 'ebay'
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681775 << i'm happy to configure donated hardware to be useful to the republic; if machines need a home i can arrange for that as well
ben_vulpes: shinohai: "thousands of dollars!"
ben_vulpes: gonna hafta think about it, for sure
ben_vulpes: byte arrays to integers for the m+1, m+2, coercions for byte arrays to integers, bit arrays for flipping random bits,
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: slowlybut surely, expanding the horizon of things i understand, taking the time to make sure i understand each part.
ben_vulpes: pretty excellent website
ben_vulpes: yrself?
ben_vulpes: self-administered "remedial binary arthmetic with practical applications" course is very educational; going well
ben_vulpes: ola
ben_vulpes: rainier*
ben_vulpes: whoreticultural trip report: ranier cherries are amazing this year
ben_vulpes: what's wrong with wsdl?!?
ben_vulpes: i have other exciting glyph monstrosities occupying my stack these days like unicode
ben_vulpes: a reasonable daring, my patience for aramaic went the way of my patience for kanji etc
ben_vulpes: sikh*
ben_vulpes: mm
ben_vulpes: i did discover epub-scale sheikh pdfs recently
ben_vulpes: epub?
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i started rereading the old testament on "kindle" this year, have been missing proper talmud for whole sojurn
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: talmud likely five hundred years to early of a comparison
ben_vulpes: basically unsafe to use unix tools without reading manpages exhaustively, and probably source to boot
ben_vulpes: right?
ben_vulpes: "flag for disabling wtf, would you like?"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, found the flag at about the same time i discovered the idiocy
ben_vulpes: hodang hexdump does this as well
ben_vulpes: am i to take from this line in the od manpage that it doesn't actually output faithfully without extra flags?
ben_vulpes: > do not use * to mark line suppression
ben_vulpes: aaand at the crockchain opinion hour: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2017/07/04/seven-signs-of-over-hyped-fintech/
ben_vulpes: confuse everyone
ben_vulpes: heh or just have a dummy cable snake out from under the hood
ben_vulpes: primo spots reserved for charging 'lectrical cars tho, natch
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: outskirts of town have plentiful parking lots even trinque 's truck could fit into
ben_vulpes: it is though, obvious transit welfare for the homeless. "no i don't have id, no i don't have a place of residence, good luck getting the fine out of me"
ben_vulpes: trinque: try riding ~every day, the statistics will catch up to you.
ben_vulpes: because turnstiles are racist or i don't even know what led to the system designed such that anyone can just wander onto the trains
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's a handheld
ben_vulpes: "sorry for the inconvenience sir, you have a good day now. you know they keep saying there's a patch coming that'll improve battery life for these things, but i haven't seen it yet." "heh yeah and i don't beliueve that it'll work."
ben_vulpes: in shitantium lols, i submitted my nfc train fare card for inspection this am. portoscanner a: couldn't read through the leater of my wallet, b: came out of the fare inspector's pocket hung, c: unhung only to die for lack of batteries.
ben_vulpes: phf: illuminating, ty
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679046 << should beat that as well yeah
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679046 << /me studies, + thread
ben_vulpes: nevertheless... http://68.media.tumblr.com/0fa6154fd3f3770ccb627406b0d2b6dd/tumblr_osjazdyYj81s2jikwo1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: not i
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: was otherwise occupied; twas a teep just the teep
ben_vulpes: a merry occupation day to ye, ameritards
ben_vulpes vanishes in cloud of smoke
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: many fiat stocks showing 123.47 as price
ben_vulpes: and yet with the premiums?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: don't those things have internal actuators?
ben_vulpes: just spring for the walk-in, i guess.
ben_vulpes: not refrigerate the drawers themselves
ben_vulpes: well, figured the drawers would slide into and out of a refrigerated cabinet
ben_vulpes: could vinyl slides and drip trays but the complexity begins to mount
ben_vulpes: yeah yeah
ben_vulpes: ah, sad
ben_vulpes: oh, as water comes out of the air, pressure drops and makes opening the thing impossible?
ben_vulpes: oh why
ben_vulpes files this away with the refrigerated drawers for the Someday Kitchen
ben_vulpes: odds that i'll ever buy a fancy brand new stove are pretty low anyways
ben_vulpes: huh, didn't know that
ben_vulpes: pidbox is like 13 bucks on ebay with thermocouple included
ben_vulpes: you know i was just thinking about wiring pids into my electrical unit for precision control!
ben_vulpes: i always figured the electrical stove was just another shitanium knockoff of The Real Thing; in what ways is it so much better than gas?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678277 << electric > gas ??
ben_vulpes: okie dokie
ben_vulpes: no hurry
ben_vulpes: nifty, yes
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: keep 'em coming, experimental design in this space is not my strength
ben_vulpes: going to look at output distribution too
ben_vulpes: once i start collecting data in earnest, yes
ben_vulpes: uniform strings; still setting all this machinery up
ben_vulpes: switch to hex?
ben_vulpes: noted
ben_vulpes: also, was wrong last night, go impl still trouncing
ben_vulpes: 65536/2048 now at wall clock time of 5.5 hrs
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll letcha know after i rerun and capture that
ben_vulpes: and heningerisms: "In this paper we demonstrate a complete break of RSA-1024 as implemented in Libgcrypt." https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/627.pdf
ben_vulpes: in other news, 65536 byte message, 256 bit hash took some 2.47 hrs
ben_vulpes: i will probably just implement the slice that i actually need
ben_vulpes: yes this refrain does ring a few bells
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678507 << "bit-smasher"? came in from ql just fine for me. i only use it as a crutch to beat strings into bit-vectors.
ben_vulpes: but if you'll excuse me, i'm going to go make a hash of breakfast
ben_vulpes: or no, it dates to his prototype
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678500 << possibly artifact of how my first prototype did output; easily changed
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/sinner-/mpfhf-python/blob/master/LICENSE << hey sina ever read http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#selection-75.0-83.128 ?
ben_vulpes: sina if you can get your implementations to print <execution_ms>\n<hash> that'll save me a bit of fiddling
ben_vulpes: a not-great thing about this chart is that hash length is in bits but message length is in bytes: http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/100.png
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ty
ben_vulpes: mulch or compost?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: gotta a grass q for ya
ben_vulpes: well if i time just the hash impl it does squeak in under the go implementation
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: had like five followups, all of which are probably answered by "this is probably one of those things worth doing rigorously"
ben_vulpes: rightright
ben_vulpes: not "unix tool as it may or may not be used in the future"
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: why disregard runtime startup time?
ben_vulpes: you mean start and end of actual hashing routine?
ben_vulpes: sure
ben_vulpes: in other optimizations: https://i.imgur.com/h7WcmU5.gifv
ben_vulpes: i'm well supplied with compute tho, thx
ben_vulpes: no rush
ben_vulpes: mk neato
ben_vulpes: could yeah
ben_vulpes: but i am definitely interested to see how performance plays out on large sets
ben_vulpes: well who knows, who'm i to make guesses like that
ben_vulpes: myeah 'tis what i'm thinking
ben_vulpes: go's some 3-4x faster incl. runtime
ben_vulpes: sina: aye, i did
ben_vulpes: definitely has hooks for disassembling a given function, so it would be nice if it also compiled *to* asm
ben_vulpes: i think
ben_vulpes: sbcl lays down asm?
ben_vulpes: adequately 'apples' from my pov; not particularly interested in imaginary performance comparisons of subsets of compiled programs
ben_vulpes: could, yes
ben_vulpes: ah yeah i thought we'd put that thread to bed with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678389
ben_vulpes: "cython wouldn't know the input type without chasing pointers all over the place"?
ben_vulpes: sina: how does the paste relate to the JIT thread?
ben_vulpes: a stopwatch?
ben_vulpes: buddy how do you think i've been comparing things?
ben_vulpes: dun think that's really in play here
ben_vulpes: faster in steady state runs or faster to compile?
ben_vulpes: but extending from what i know of java's jit (not much), no. the whole file (at least in the tests i'm running) is compiled.
ben_vulpes: i've no idea what you mean by that in this context
ben_vulpes: i wouldn't keep a lisp runtime hanging around just on the offchance i want to hash things
ben_vulpes: lol, well, depends!
ben_vulpes: anything else?
ben_vulpes: aye
ben_vulpes: mk go on, on what does it depend
ben_vulpes: runtime startup is a cost of the program, innit?
ben_vulpes: no i do intend to black box it
ben_vulpes: obvious counterargument is that "don't bother with subsecond executions, dork"
ben_vulpes: something something not great subsecond resolution or so the various reddits say?
ben_vulpes: eg runtime?
ben_vulpes: yes
ben_vulpes: ...
ben_vulpes: why to compare mpfhfhfhfhfhfs!
ben_vulpes: sina: i wouldn't know, is why i'm asking
ben_vulpes: sina: got any better ideas for comparing program runtimes than perf?
ben_vulpes: in re benchmarking, is 'perf' a reasonable thing to use?
ben_vulpes: noches
ben_vulpes: what is this cross-contamination?
ben_vulpes: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/evdd84/10-rich-families-are-paying-their-dollar30000-preschool-tuition-in-bitcoin << let the fleecing begin!
ben_vulpes: shinohai: they don't make keyboards for fingers that large
ben_vulpes: fungible minoridees dontchaknow
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah, but they make up for it with genderswappers
ben_vulpes: learned helplessness
ben_vulpes: to quote #programmer-therapy: "i just sat clicking at a recaptcha for five minutes before it would accept that i'm human."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: quite aware
ben_vulpes: "the guys down the office keep giving us hardons with the homomorphic encryption stuff but every time we sit down to discuss numbers it turns out to be computationally infeasible so uh here's this rest layer over postgres so you don't have to touch the dirty dirty phone numbers yourselves"
ben_vulpes entertained a sales pitch from a seller with some relevant snake oil recently
ben_vulpes off, robosprinklers pointed out the time and suddenly v. tired
ben_vulpes: lol sina he got nabbed by insiders and physical tails what are you on about
ben_vulpes: some not-root root-alike?
ben_vulpes: or, a different set of eyes.
ben_vulpes: cl runs 3-4x longer than the go impl after attending to all the compiler notes i can; probably need a pointer on profiling common lisp code to squeeze much more out of it
ben_vulpes: thing as what tracks cpu time etc
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/an-implementation-of-mircea-popescus-fabulous-hash-function << updated
ben_vulpes: if it runs any shell command, what's to keep it from getting at your monitor?
ben_vulpes: also worth mentioning the feedback loop where a and c get the wrong keys somehow and go talk to b about it
ben_vulpes: i had no idea how shit the tanium was