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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the episode with your burned out water pump ?
asciilifeform: if folx continue to operate 27 pointlessly incompatible platforms, and burn their lives fiddling with otherwise healthy coad to make it go on'em, what can i say, the gods have cursed'em and it is not in my power to uncurse
asciilifeform: braincase that worx ok for walking around and not crashing into trees, is of limited use for moar complicated/abstract work, whod'vethunkit
asciilifeform: consider why asciilifeform removed the #ifdefolade ( and consequently, ALL asm inlines ) from mpi.
asciilifeform: this is entirely troo. in the simplest case, consider, comments
asciilifeform: it's as simple as that
asciilifeform: it is for this reason that asciilifeform cut most ( unfortunately not all, there is room for improvement! ) ifdefolade, out of trb.
asciilifeform: phf: if the support is implemented with #ifdef's, then it really gotta go imho
asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to refute this hypothesis with data available to him
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830123 >> 'Seizure of nearly 2,000 Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies ... Bitcoin mining devices, computer equipment' << waterfall is well-fed this summer
asciilifeform: i'm actually impressed that you folx managed to build any of it on a human compiler
asciilifeform assumed that ben_vulpes simply duncare re moving up in the gassing queue
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829972 << pnojeism is a much larger problem than merely crapple, and is really an entire constellation of dysfunctions enabled not by the turdalicious gadgets themselves but, as iirc mircea_popescu pointed out repeatedly, by issuing pseudo-comps to folx who ought to be operating plows and oxcarts fulltime
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right. ( keep in mind, currently asciilifeform knows very little re subj, aside from diana_coman's mpi works )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829932 << was contemplating 'wallet' in the sense of 'iron which actually signs', rather than mere bottle for keyz that get copied elsewhere to be arithmetized over
asciilifeform: the only reason is that wallet dun need the same horsepower as 'general' comp, can be 8bit cpu etc
asciilifeform: nothing of any import will ever be 'credit card' form factor, go an audit the whatever-nm chip
asciilifeform: conceivably rng is separable, can simply be rs232 jack in which e.g. FG goes.
asciilifeform: not really analogues, afaik in the contemplated new v you still need the history, to press
asciilifeform: the 'mongols' also 'aint waht they used to be', can you picture tamerlane sitting in 'refugee camp' and filing lawsuits re the welfarola cheques bouncing ?
asciilifeform: the picture, at least from my perch, doesn't match 'mongols come and the folx on the ramparts pretend not to notice and play cards' model; eurorasts organized, deliberately bring in the boats. what's the logic there ?
asciilifeform: sorta late to 'worry', current v of euro civ was spiffy and chromed, then wrapped around a telephone pole and repaired with junkyard parts no less than twice, stayed on the road for astonishingly long time, before bumpers , floor, coming off
asciilifeform: civilizations live, die, i suppose to immortal olympians it isn't even particularly interesting process
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at one time i tried to implement more or less same item you're making, and did the shiva thing, and in the end thought that whoever it was ( mircea_popescu ? ) who suggested that trb should simply eat ( and prompt to sign ) raw tx, generated externally via scripts, was right
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomology dept, https://archive.li/IAUet >> orlol,'Barbarians Rampage through Europe's Cemetery'
asciilifeform: this completes the set of extant (afaik) cr50 fritz keys , on phuctor .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sometimes goes to place exactly like-that, complete with old man
asciilifeform: spyked: prolly i oughta elaborate re the item in your 4th footnote. a compact lisptron has no particular reason to have any notions of parsing baked in; all it needs is 1) a basic i/o mechanism 2) a way to load an initial pre-built s-expression into the working memory and immediately evaluate it.
asciilifeform: 10 per 2M ?! this is about bmore level ! i thought brazil were a world champ , what is this
asciilifeform: ( btw, this does not appear to be in the l0gz as-such, so asciilifeform will note : c was an evil thing from ~birth~. on machines so impoverished that 'c is necessary', oughta be writing in asm; on machines where not necessary -- well, obvious )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: funnily enuff, ~this very item~ is how asciilifeform got mired in attempt to bolt a lisp onto trb
asciilifeform: or some other name, but idea being that it must be 1) impossible to confuse it with old 2) keywords ~named~, no order dependency plox
asciilifeform: nao this is imho hard to swallow ('submarine with screen door') and so currently i'm assuming that i simply missed something. will have to test, at any rate.
asciilifeform: btw i did figure out the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828757 matter -- their key format reserves 1st 4bytes for 'keyid' . but the lulzimplementation pictured in the (useless, doesn't seem to occur in the bin) published 'loader', treats the key as starting there . as i currently understand, couldn't actually work as written, barring some mathematical curio
asciilifeform: pretty great lolcow, btw, that d00d. spilled what he thought was a carefully incomplete pile of beans to 'get asciilifeform to waste months making debug cable', i suspect, didn't quite expect us to get a working one in 1wk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for comparison : the last time i reset 'zoolag' was to change ps. and the time before that -- to swap in the 'aggression' build
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform has not suffered this problem in many yrs, for box on uninterruptible power ( and resist the temptation to fiddle! no it ain't 'stuck', it stands up again by itself in coupla hrs ) -- no bitrot
asciilifeform: oh , for compleeetness, http://loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/cr50.bin.prod << the 0.3.4 cr50 fw currently installed in my box. ( the offsets above, are valid for it)
asciilifeform: considering tho that bbet was torpedoes over a quite comparable (weighed in orcbux, at least) sum -- not so sure
asciilifeform: 'fellow geeks', 'anonymity', 'keybase', 3 kilometres of js in 3 empty blogs...
asciilifeform: gotta be the most spectacular speshul-olympics champion logged to date.
asciilifeform: these used to be at least entertaining, sometimes. nowadays simply sad.
asciilifeform: i dun see any writing in these links, only a half meg of javascript (ugh) and what loox like empty blog template
asciilifeform: ( 'i am an advocate of x and y' implies having written something? or do you advocate it at the local pub )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828645 << iirc great 17th c jesuit crackpot athanasius kircher invented this. he had one for music composition also.
asciilifeform: 'tis much better imho to include some handsewn 'bytecode' in an array init value, that'd implement the parsing, than the ts-style procedural approach
asciilifeform: ( or arrested, confused for emplacers )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet is working through learning ru, and periodically succumbs to temptation of google translate as 'learning tool', with predictably lulzy result
asciilifeform: compared to, e.g., trb reactor dismantlement and rod replacement , re-creating the useful part of emacs is light work.
asciilifeform: trinque: really, i can't think of any genuine reason to keep initramfs; if box needs e.g. raid card driver, it oughta be compiled in kernel
asciilifeform: 'st peter, you can't take me, for i can't go, i owe my soul to the company store'(tm)(r)(1890s amerischwitz) i dun think they necessarily confuse it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doubt that it's so specific; afaik they see it as simply a large underground bag into which they've driven errything with even half a ball remaining, 'could do anyffing!1'
asciilifeform: iirc subj d00d specifically counterexample, had multiple rehearsals, prepared.
asciilifeform: not clear why he didn't simply do a proper auto mod. 'hang for sheep as well as lamb'
asciilifeform: in current-day gringolandia, 'dealer' is no longer interesting connector to the world, but rather some d00d with two flower pots and fluorescent lamp in his cellar
asciilifeform: Mocky: for motorbike road is 'always empty' neh.
asciilifeform: i'm not really surprised that bananistan has flooding ramps. oxcarts dun particularly care about water.
asciilifeform recalls when bumpers were made of rubber, and ~never needed swap
asciilifeform: twist : http://www.dukw.com/dkramp.gif is mircea_popescu's car
asciilifeform: Mocky: and the best 'intro course', is still to write, as exercise, your own implementation.
asciilifeform: Mocky: v rejects the traditional concept of 'merge'. therefore in order for a patch to continue through time, it must be not only correct, and simple not only to understand but to manually reintegrate ( see l0gz re 'regrind' ) .
asciilifeform: fella had enthusiasm, even some talent, but could not grasp the essential idea that a patch gotta be compact and touch a strict and justifiable minimum count of moving parts
asciilifeform: Mocky: trb , roughly speaking , is a legacy item, in the same way as the icbm targeting comp and similar. i.e. a museum piece that gotta be kept in working order, rather than 'sexy, new' thing bubbling with development
asciilifeform: it is my understanding that trinque has a quite complete list of what worx and what -- not; ping him when he wakes.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you were making simply a musltronic version of euloratron, it could be done rotor-style (buildroot env) . but sounds like you want cuntoo straight away.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827977 << 're-emerge' seems to imply systemwide ? you're more or less guaranteed a borked box, muslism has to be done either rotor-style (i.e. 100% user-local build of 1 proggy at a time) or systemwide ( trinque's cuntoo ), on account of the impossibility of cleanly linking glibc libs to musl proggy or vice versa
asciilifeform: a complete dos toolchain would rock unspeakably.
asciilifeform: ( dun have to run ~on~ msdos, tho that would be pure gold; but at least crosscompile to it )
asciilifeform: on hashtables implemented by opentards at any rate
asciilifeform: !!up LordMPofTMSR
asciilifeform: 'Unix doesn't specify an order in which readdir() and listdir() should return the contents of a directory, so components can get built in an unpredictable order' << this is gonna need a cure.
asciilifeform: btw as soon as ave1 fully pins down his gnat, 1st order of biznis is the burning out with hot irons of all timestampism and misc crapola emitted into binaries
asciilifeform: full musl implies cuntoo, hence asciilifeform's initial confusion
asciilifeform: i tested his latest builder on x64 and arm64, both perform like champs.
asciilifeform: which then run on , theoretically, any linux of compatible cpu.
asciilifeform: easy chump pickings ? that's three doors down
asciilifeform: FundsAreSafuh: lol, so accomplice of famous bamboozler, living off spoils ??
asciilifeform: the interesting twist is, even on comparatively deadly simple artificial comp, with 0 pretenses to 'conscious' anyffing, the notion that the soft is fully separable from the iron substrate, is poppycock.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this item is similar to the last gasp of su comp makers, the iskra 286 , 100% orc except for the intel chip ( last su-indigenous clone was afaik 8086 )
asciilifeform: ideal cryptotron would have simply empty socket, bring yer own z80, specificityofdiddling, hah.
asciilifeform: http://www.vaxman.de/projects/Z80_mini/overall.jpg << example minimal z80 made by current-day fanatic
asciilifeform: ( for some conceivable applications, z80 remains more than adequate, and will remain so 50y from nao -- e.g. otp crypto, lamport, potentially -- btc walleting, etc )
asciilifeform: folx would write, on paper, what was initially an impossible-to-run 300-500 bytes, then work, whittle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very tellingly, there were afaik 0 great gamez made for mk-85 , despite the latter featuring a pdp11-compat chipset ( in, forfuckssake, a pocket calc!! runinng on , what, 20 milliamp ) and rom basic
asciilifeform: the fabric makes trooly sane design of os, editor, i/o, ~impossible
asciilifeform: asciilifeform even nao still, believe, trying to accomplish something on it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, mk61 was a troo breakthrough, a computer (of sorts) that could be actually mass-produced in orcistan. buncha folx did their physics dissertation models on the thing, even
asciilifeform: the current alternative, tho, is not a luxury liner appearing out of nowhere from the sky, but simply no plank, and watery grave.
asciilifeform: e.g. graphical emacses, complete with frames, arbitrary windowshape, and orcograms, running on other end of planet and displaying in arbitrarily-shaped windows on my console.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827214 << this is merely tip of iceberg, dun forget the multiple impedance-mismatched memory allocators, gc, etc
asciilifeform: ( tho i can picture a hypothetical commonlisp-emacs that doesn't ever need to socket , because has compiler inside, like ye olde borland )
asciilifeform: ( and, just how much loss of load speed are we talking about, if it is thrown out entirely, and emacs gets to compile ~all~ of its elisp erry time it loads ? )
asciilifeform: ( granted, a defective 'replacement for trb' will give you a reactor meltdown, whereas a climacs-like abortion will simply create grumbling would-be users who revert back to emacsism )
asciilifeform: theoretically no good reason to keep it. aside from the fact that current body of emacs is largely composed ~of~ it.
asciilifeform: worse yet, climacs was afaik never properly finished ( the redraw is glacial, even on a heavy comp, and various pieces to this day broken ) because nobody could be arisen to properly finish it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: emacs is a 'modal' system, i.e. every programming language gets a mode, implemented as a set of elisp proggies, that completely changes the behaviour of the editor to (ideally) make it entirely suited to writing that particular form of text
asciilifeform: this one's more complicated.
asciilifeform: i jump because it became clear that he stabbed himself on such a nail and ran off screaming
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the best object of comparison is imho trb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they had an ok time for a spell, with unofficial cartel ( jd from nomenklatura schools, e.g. harvard, were auto-employed ) but as i understand this train has left
asciilifeform: douchebag: when you got your saecular gig, didja simply walk in and ask ? or didja do something to convince'em
asciilifeform: the ~employed~ juris doctor folx -- inca officials.
asciilifeform: His personal computer, federal prosecutors alleged, held more than 10,000 images and videos of such material, protected under three layers of passwords.'
asciilifeform: was it simply the basic 'us -- them, or they -- us ' ?
asciilifeform: ( rfc2440, aka 'openpgp', classically usgological turd, complete with null ciphers etc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the root lul, of course, 'pass, the Simple Password Store, is a shell script to use GnuPG for password management. Each password is stored in a separate file, encrypted with one or multiple GnuPG encryption keys.' << didja know this were 'needed'.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other koch gpg2isms : https://archive.li/FWdDD >> '...signature verification routine parses the output of GnuPG with an incomplete regular expression, which allows remote attackers to spoof file signatures on configuration files and extensions scripts. Modifying the configuration file allows the attacker to inject additional encryption keys under their control, thereby disclosing passwords to the attacker. Modifying the
asciilifeform: ( at some later point we can contemplate such luxuries as depythonization, say. )
asciilifeform: 'Outgoing Harvard University president Drew Gilpin Faust tried to pre-empt the news in an e-mail sent to Harvard alumni and “friends”: In the weeks and months ahead, a lawsuit aimed to compromise Harvard’s ability to compose a diverse student body will move forward in the courts and in the media. As the case proceeds, an organization called Students for Fair Admissions—formed in part to oppose Harvard’s commitment to divers
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826418 << pretty lulzy , '...the inclusion of a “personality” component in evaluating applicants... ...traits included in “personality” were: “humor, sensitivity, grit, leadership, integrity, helpfulness, courage, kindness and many other qualities.”'
asciilifeform: somehow it never occurs to the lulznovice to contemplate what the 'monastery' would be like if it were to actually do this, to 'adapt to' whatever is in each new dumb kid's cockroach basket he walks in with
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826591 << i almost then went 'so why not they simply drink hfcs + caffeine' then remembered 'coca cola' etc
asciilifeform: phf: re 'it's watery' , iirc we had a related thread about how prohibition turned usa into a country of rotgut drinkers, for whom the ~only important bit is 'strong', with sugars etc added as required
asciilifeform: see also, the use of refrigeration ( plus ultra-pasteurization, see the milk thread ) as substitute for hygiene. tell an american that his ancestors did not need to refrigerate eggs, he'll laugh in your face, 'impossible'
asciilifeform: cargo cult output makes 0 sense other than in light of the picture of the orig subject of imitation, airplane, brit empire, etc
asciilifeform: upstack, italy et al were , as i understand, fucking around with cargo cult version of 'we too want british empire', sorta how 500yr earlier HRE derped with 'we want roman empire'
asciilifeform: possibly in the new,improved!11,mohammedo-europiliphate, has another shot.
asciilifeform: blair, just possibly, actually grasped it, 'All three of the great dictators have enhanced their power by imposing intolerable burdens on their peoples. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.'
asciilifeform: btw one pheature of lenin & co that gets vehehery little press these days , when folx like to point out 'he didn't overthrow , other factions did all the work' : lenin & co refused, out of principle, to participate in any 'temporary government' derpage at all.
asciilifeform: from that point the pharma thrust became 'how do we do this and still have usable factory etc slaves, rather than simply vegetables'
asciilifeform: '[Global Notice] On June 20th, the Legal Committee of the European Parliament will decide on a copyright reform that could radically change copyright laws throughout the EU and have an impact on open source software. If you're in the EU please see https://savetheinternet.info/ and https://blog.github.com/2018-03-14-eu-proposal-upload-filters-code/ for more information'
asciilifeform: summary : su made a pdp-11 that 1) ran on 20 milliampere 2) included such things as a... supercapacitor ( i had nfi that even 1 of these was ever made in su ) that powers the sram ( yes ) for ~15 minutes~ during batt swap.
asciilifeform: the noteworthy bit, is that the unit -- stamped 1991 -- has the original factory seal. and on account of the design of the box, can show that: ~original~ 1991 batteries, still function.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in oldies, asciilifeform recently acquired a specimen of the famous http://mk90.blogspot.com/2009/09/85.html pocket comp ( was made, from late-perestroika psychosis, in chassic copied from a jp calculator ) . pdp11 (!) compatible box.
asciilifeform: one time i remember writing to kako, asked 'so what great things you accomplished since', answer was hissy fit
asciilifeform: upstack, pete_d might qualify as example. i still have nfi what his problem was.
asciilifeform: this approach is only attractive/economical compared to linear accelerator.
asciilifeform: enemy didn't set out to make impossible wall; simply tall enuff that the headache far exceeds what anybody's willing to bother with. and to date seems to have succeeded.
asciilifeform: the satellite folx have largely given up on making logic impervious to particles, they moved to tandemism instead
asciilifeform: how d00d managed to avoid impregnating anyffing in 1900s -- is indeed good q. ( perhaps -- magic!111 )
asciilifeform: it isn't a particularly impressive feat of keep-straight
asciilifeform: pretty simple algo, take a 100 $ and a camwhore site, who wants -- can replicate
asciilifeform: there might somewhere exist a 'i build emp probe on mondays and read reddit on tuesdays' fella. but i haven't met one yet.
asciilifeform: witness the 'mysterious' lack of randos logging in and 'hey i heard something about btc, i can build an emp rig!11' etc
asciilifeform surveyed what remains of shortwave , it's mostly empty, and what remains is largely these derps, 'texas can you hear me' 'this is utah, we can hear you' etc etc
asciilifeform: (i.e. it is not in fact necessary to glitch the rsa check, but would entirely suffice to glitch the unlock command conditional jump)
asciilifeform: for cr50 in particular, a continuous (e.g. xray) rather than intermittent (emp shooter) glitcher might be preferable, as the thing has a convenient unlock command that you can fire via the uart continuously, then , theoretically, irradiate until it happens to skip the right instruction
asciilifeform: focused emp , apparently , is a pretty good glitching method, but needs somewhat complicated instrument
asciilifeform: dun in the literature last night re chip 'glitching' . for some reason everybody, to date, focuses on glitching ~specific~ instruction, rather than scrambling sram bluntly. ( to be fair, the blunt approach is only of any conceivable use if you can pre-emplace the nop slide, as is apparently possible on cr50 ) ; state of the open lit art seems to be the 'xbox 360' pill demonstrated in 2015
asciilifeform: dumping ground market ( while they've got anything to spend ) for rubbish that even ru folx won't buy
asciilifeform: 2 freshly-unemployed , seems, engineers.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a great deal of 'inside wank' in re mechanics of urkdom; for instance, a number of sov-era factories, producing e.g. rocketry gear, were stranded on wrong side of the border on independence day; and it took a rather long time to complete (afaik, it's largely complete) the process of replacing their goodies with ru-local production
asciilifeform: it's rather like asking hiroshima surviver to complete in olympiad
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has lengthy personal history of traveling expensive, painful dead ends, and hence somewhat sympathetic to figures like dutch
asciilifeform: ( to complete the lulzpic earlier -- by the time asciilifeform figured out how to pump in candidate-headers and pump out solved nonce strictly via the intact jtag header , diff was already up in the sky )
asciilifeform: trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation)
asciilifeform: ( i can name example, but curious re what mircea_popescu has in mind )
asciilifeform: nao i simply gotta ask, unassednick , where exactly is it
asciilifeform: turbo pascal ( 4 versions!111 ) . nintendo games. peter norton complete works. roms for circa 1990s pcs. mirrors of long-dead ??? sites. ;
asciilifeform: for quick emplacement, would like to have 320x132 then
asciilifeform: hey, it isn't as if the academitards don't always create 'new' 'paper' via same foo | bar | baz template spammers use ( as posted in mircea_popescu's www on at least 1 occasion )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: moar of a 'we're about to dump a bit moar stolen coin on the waterfall so here's some smoke screen'
asciilifeform: point was, the matte people prepare their leaves the same, compl with stems.
asciilifeform: dunno, box was labeled simply 'matte'
asciilifeform: likewise, with a popped unit it will be possible to take multi-GB samples of the onboard rng, and examine this.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824918 << eh U in the sea is ~plentiful~ in comparison !
asciilifeform: i have 0 complaint re deedbot.
asciilifeform: trinque: cut the fella a bit of slack, he doesn't yet grasp that he's come to olympus, thinks he's in village pub still
asciilifeform: cnomad: idea of contest, i found appealing because 1) inexpensive 2) simple , relatively, to administer, and does not require 'teams' of jobsworths.
asciilifeform: thing is more or less guaranteed to get some attention in enemy camp.
asciilifeform: we're contemplating a 4 wk marriage, of sorts, i guess.
asciilifeform: formulated simply as 'to get other half of prize, it will be the case that vendor update month from submission day, does not contain patch for hole'
asciilifeform: phf: it is impossible to make the receipt of the 2nd half of prize fully in the hands of the player, this is entirely correct.
asciilifeform: but the problem of making it impossible ~mechanically~ is unsolvable in the general case. and cannot be done in any contest, this or other.
asciilifeform: pretty simple test.
asciilifeform: but asciilifeform has NO desire to simply pile btc on top of google's 500k or whatver, bounty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the cost on my end , to buy and transport, was about 300bux. now you can prolly turn this into a few grand, if you compare against 'keep coin in pocket' , sure
asciilifeform: there's a finite, currently large but monotonically dwindling, number of non-nsa comps.
asciilifeform: there's oldcrap, and there's simply old.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supply of clean comps will become valuable as the resource dries up, which it shows every sign of heading to do.
asciilifeform: really ideally somebody outside of usa , so they can't simply break down the door
asciilifeform: simple , neh
asciilifeform: it is to be computed as follows : at the end of the elapsed period, i go to a shop and buy a box, and let it vendor-update
asciilifeform: phf: the way i'm thinking of doing it: i'ma write up and sign a statement describing the competition; you will create a special-occasion key, e.g. 'cr50contest', rate it e.g. +1 cr50 , and i will drop a coin into it.
asciilifeform: douchebag: i'm not aware of a component known by name of 'motor compressor' anywhere in or near subj
asciilifeform: test jig was simply a variant of the stock fw, and it gets rewritten by the 'prod' fw prior to retail sale.
asciilifeform: these were purchased, in exactly the manner contemplated.
asciilifeform: all i got is historical examples, buying keys worked for kgb and gru
asciilifeform: maybe not best example, i have nfi whether d00d has the spark of life or not
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypothetically it'd be a contest with very simple mechanical judgement of winner. but i can picture why no one might want to be the referee.
asciilifeform: notion was to pay for completed work
asciilifeform: simply must point out, if as side effect of the break, the user-loaded data is nulled, this is not a problem for us.
asciilifeform: cnomad: there is a www front-end for the wot; this , for example : http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.html is me.
asciilifeform: so, for example, i am considering declaring a btc bounty for cr50 break. but it will only be available to folks in the wot, for the very obvious reason .
asciilifeform: nor will anyone attempt to communicate in confidence with you, without gpg pubkey.
asciilifeform: you do not have to use your meatspace name, or anything of the kind. simply need gpg key, one that you won't lose.
asciilifeform: cpp specifically attracts the worst of the worst, in re complexity cancer, this was obvious long enuff ago that naggum noted it
asciilifeform: or simply swims to where the food is.
asciilifeform: academic, there's no simple way to get to most of'em
asciilifeform: far even from computer.
asciilifeform: the rest of the box is pretty simple matter, in comparison
asciilifeform: well 'whitelabel arm' implies a proper physical one with the engraving sanded off. which i suspect this one is emphatically not.
asciilifeform: ( picture, an imp of satan actually reading and learning sumthin' )
asciilifeform: they're exactly like eichmann, perfect little marvels of industrious compartmental schizoid
asciilifeform: the nonseekrit -- with the bulk of the implementation detail.
asciilifeform: ( and there is no known complexity class pindown of factoring. )
asciilifeform: at any rate there does not currently exist ANY usable crypto algo, of any purpose, for which a complexity class reduction to any class is known.
asciilifeform: let's take an example of trustworthy iron : K573RF4 ( https://eandc.ru/pdf/mikroskhema/k573rf4.pdf )
asciilifeform: this is physically ~impossible with e.g. 60nm
asciilifeform: if i cannot audit the contents of the device, it is impossible to prove the nonexistence of magic key.
asciilifeform: this is the fundamental fallacy that resulted in a market empty of honest iron.
asciilifeform: my 'root of trust' is iron that i assembled with own hands, out of soviet components, and sealed with glitter polish. fuck fritz tpm.
asciilifeform: tell me again why i would want 'tpm' if i have an airgapped 1990s machine for all computations on secrets.
asciilifeform: it is not difficult to design a usable cpu, if you don't need bincompatibility with anything
asciilifeform: ( and by the total unavailability, other than as antique, of actual computer )
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: i personally am more annoyed at rubbish masquerading as computer, than by general-purpose rubbish
asciilifeform: ( if you know of a counter-example, please link )
asciilifeform: i have already identified all of the major components
asciilifeform: given as it is a tpm/drm crock of shit, i fully expect false metal masks and the other joys of 'tamper resistence'
asciilifeform: got example of a successful public reversing of any recent (i.e. post-1995) crystal ?
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: given your introduction ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822589 ) i assume you may be interested in verifying fact that cr50 is not a subfunctionality of the ordinary (i.e. kept in winbond spi ) bootrom or the EC controller ('nuvoton' arm , visible in right hand of photo ). this is very simple to do:
asciilifeform: ( i cannot rule out the possibility that it was built in cooperation with, or at the facility of , infineon; it is stamped 'TWN' so this is at least theoretically hinted )
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: to complete the picture, my initial interest in cr50 was in the debug functionality; the thing can override #WP signal and rewrite the EC and boot roms , via usb snake. so it'd be quite convenient to have access. however the factory firmware locks it.
asciilifeform: i also have a sample fw blob
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: i actually started with attempt to port generic coreboot to c101pa, and ended up finding the cr50 by accident
asciilifeform: ( if you simply lift it, there'll be no signals, board doesn't come up )
asciilifeform: however this approach is expensive, in manual labour, and its cost borders on that of simply making new machines from 0
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: even simple xray would give you basic info, such as the number of balls in the bga, and possibly the routes of the test pads (it ain't a very crowded pcb)
asciilifeform: you will get a (very limited, pretty much all you can do is to read version strings and gpio voltages) command prompt
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: if you want to talk to the cr50 in your unit, all you need is the simple cable in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 article
asciilifeform: nah , moar of a 'wumpus'
asciilifeform: i recall when it was fashionable to make 'car comp'
asciilifeform: ye olde mk61 is moar of computer. even tho poor orcistan never even invented soldermask, pcb was bare, like if i made it here in my kitchen.
asciilifeform: the calculators, bk0010 ( tiny little pdp clone ! ), etc. is a sunken atlantis. it was all forgotten almost immediately when imported pc was carted in in qty
asciilifeform: complete with reference oscillograms. if yours dies (and not infrequently, it would) you were expected to repair.
asciilifeform: compared to life with this orc box, mircea_popescu was tsar and god with his z80 . but , behold, even in 100bytes you can do things.
asciilifeform: ( legendarily, soyuz actually carried mk-52, reportedly, on board, a sort of mk-61 with i/o connector, as backup to main comp )
asciilifeform: that were in effect EXACTLY 'reactor control', but instead of sodium pump litres/sec, probability of runaway, etc. it was 'fucks per day', 'probability of VD', 'prob. of arrest', etc.
asciilifeform: one of these was 'reactor control' , with realistic constants, you had to ramp up reactor, control the rods and the sodium pump etc, object was to get max power but avoid meltdown
asciilifeform: but as the '90s marched on, the thing did not, apparently, immediately fade away and die ( troo comps remained expensive, rare, until '93-'94ish ); so folx continued to write and circulate samizdat gamez : http://lordbss.pp.ru/pmk.html
asciilifeform: here's a historical lul that mircea_popescu might find stimulating. asciilifeform ( and his brother, and a whole generation of folx ) grew up with a certain orc '100 bytes of ram, but hey it's fucking programmable' little box, http://www.alfredklomp.com/technology/mk-61 . and the Official b00k for it ( http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/G/GAYSHTUT_Aleksandr_Grigor'evich/_Gayshtut_A.G..html ) had various games (typically you had to draw on g
asciilifeform: ( the 'rma unlock' 32byte turd, is simply rng output )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a break of the rng would also do the job. ( admittedly , tall order , but listed for completeness. )
asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing
asciilifeform: for completeness, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_top.jpg + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/mb_btm.jpg ( apologies for the sad photos, they came out of a flatbed, evidently not ideal tool for this job )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the entomological pit : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFritz-chip >> 'I've deleted most of the article. The information here is already presented in a more up-to-date fashion at Trusted Computing, which is the correct title for the technology. "Fritz-chip" was never more than a moniker used by critics of the technology put forth by Sen. Hollings. The article now represents this fact. Warrens 23:24, 29 April 2006 (
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: revisiting upstack -- i suspect that the decerebrated folx, are not aware of any such famine. google made the perfect fuffle for'em, the dildonic 'open comp' that offers 'fetish of power', go ahead and install linux etc.
asciilifeform: it is probably impossible to educate the willingly thick, however, who ~actually~ see a box with NOBUS master keys as 'moar secure than with no keys'. these, will only wake up when they're sitting in kangaroo court , and confessing to 'child porn'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822031 << phf keep in mind that the resistors gotta be, iirc, accurate within 5%. hence why i used trimpots.
asciilifeform: i can already picture, 'why complain, cr50 100% opensores!'
asciilifeform: even in usa hq, they make use of ample coolie labour
asciilifeform: ( complete with own ebuilds, etc )
asciilifeform: far upstack, re the 'cr50' thread -- asciilifeform woke up today and realized that we can simply cut #wp track on spi rom ( naturally after filling it with e.g. uboot )
asciilifeform: but -- has width... numpad, arrows.
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