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mircea_popescu: btw, did we do the "you too can be novelist, buy our narrative card deck and kit" 1800s us entrepreneurialism ?
mircea_popescu: idiots genuinely had this deck, you'd shuffle, deal, and there's another hollywood film.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828452 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828567 <-- aite, I'ma post a signed tarball (scheduling this for sunday), along with some comments on the implementation. apologies for the huge delay.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 21:10 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828348 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736830 << I see the discussion threads, but didn't find the post on thetarpit.org
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 02:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828378 << distinctions like that are often subtle and a matter of taste, but as long as the overal approach is informed now might be a good time to paste what you have.
asciilifeform: !!up KimuSan^
deedbot: KimuSan^ voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: hello ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828645 << iirc great 17th c jesuit crackpot athanasius kircher invented this. he had one for music composition also.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 04:08 mircea_popescu: btw, did we do the "you too can be novelist, buy our narrative card deck and kit" 1800s us entrepreneurialism ?
Mocky: This much is obvious to anyone who has worked with code and has half a brain. The lack of this is a good way to spot those with less than half a brain. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828036
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 15:33 asciilifeform: Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. )
Mocky: I've never had an any involvement with foss project, haven't seen this dynamic. but I don't doubt it. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828318
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 18:26 mircea_popescu: Mocky it's not much, superficially, but it has a lot of downstream. because this is the ~fundamental~ rot of "foss" : that impotent dweebs latch on to it not because of the lofty theoretical goals, but strictly because of the very direct if unspoken power equation, "if i be friends with these guys then girls will be forced ot insert my penis in their vagina by themselves".
KimuSan^: Hi all
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: who might you be ?
KimuSan^: Name's Kim, and I am just another fellow geek, advocate of free speech and liberation of the internet.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: and what brings you to #trilema ?
KimuSan^: Well I came across a mention of this place when looking for how well anonymous hosting worked these days... As in paid with (mostly) untraceable crypto and hosted without any mention of ownership etc.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: you may have been misinformed, nobody here is particularly enthusiastic about anonymity
asciilifeform: if anything, quite the opposite
KimuSan^: Then came across a great article on looper-os and decided to see if there were more interesting stuff in here.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: do you have a www pg? anywhere where it can be read, what exactly do you advocate ?
KimuSan^: Well you can find me on many sites and all fully public. Disconnected.tech, Schulz.kim Schulz.dk and the trails from there.
asciilifeform: ( 'i am an advocate of x and y' implies having written something? or do you advocate it at the local pub )
asciilifeform: hm ok
asciilifeform: i dun see any writing in these links, only a half meg of javascript (ugh) and what loox like empty blog template
KimuSan^: Writen is mostly in print or in letters to local politicians. Besides this I help university students in my spare time and spread my word there..
asciilifeform: !!up KimuSan^
deedbot: KimuSan^ voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: i recommend to read the chan log, http://btcbase.org/log/ , and make use of the search.
KimuSan^: Thanks.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: what do you do with the students ?
KimuSan^: Low level programming. Mostly for arm based arch.
asciilifeform closes eyes and sees a distinct https://www.oglaf.com/humans/
KimuSan^: A bit of crypto help from time to time.
asciilifeform: 'You can always get my key via keybase.io (I can highly recommend this)'
asciilifeform: !#s keybase
a111: 253 results for "keybase", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=keybase
asciilifeform: KimuSan^ ^ see also
KimuSan^: Already using keybase
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: consider reading the log
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: after which you can perhaps try to explain, why did you park your privkey with nsa-operated honeypot
KimuSan^: I place A privkey there.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: and why would you do this, or encourage 'privacy'/'anonymity' aficionados to do it ?
KimuSan^: Interestingly I have yet to find proof of you NSA honeypot claim, but I hope to find that in your log as it seems like you have such Proof.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: lol! bear trap that asks you to share privkey with 3rd party, is not proofy enuff?
KimuSan^: Actually my privkey is in my hardware key on my body. What I have I keybase is what I need in order to communicate with others. I see keybase as a good gateway drug to actually get people to start encrypting and signing coo. S
KimuSan^: .. Comms
asciilifeform: why would you host even pubkey on keybase.
asciilifeform: gateway drug to idiocy.
diana_coman: KimuSan^, why do you think that those biting such "gateway drug" (let alone needing that much baiting and so on) *should* "start encrypting" or have anything to do with signing anything?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: normally it takes longer, but asciilifeform's dosimeter already maxed out. this one's all yours.
asciilifeform: 'looper-os' for fuckxssake.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ahahah, loopety loop
KimuSan^: Well don't know about you, but I prefer my communication to be private if needed. Telling that to my old father is close to impossible. Getting him on keybase actually thaught him a lot about why and how. These days we encrypt all communication - even if it is just via a key he uploaded to keybase.
KimuSan^: asciilifeform: why wouldn't I. I have my pub key in many places.
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: how , precisely , does keybase differ from the key escrow db clinton tried to make mandatory ?
diana_coman: KimuSan^, you are effectively saying "I want my father to get X but he can't or won't so I feed him something that *looks* like X and that's great because reasons"
diana_coman: and at any rate you haven't actually answered the question: why ?
KimuSan^: diana_coman: it's called baby steps.
KimuSan^: Why what?
diana_coman: KimuSan^, mno, it's called many things and none of them any good
diana_coman: why should they start encrypting if they don't understand much about it
KimuSan^: Because we are getting to a point ve
KimuSan^: Where it will be needed
KimuSan^: Well have to run off now. I can try to explain more at a later point if you let me.
diana_coman: baby steps is when baby tries to walk for real - with all the bumps and crying that happens; it's not when baby "walks" by having parent holding it in the air and moving its legs as if it was walking, all the time saying for good measure "you are walking baby, yeee"
asciilifeform: lol 'baby steps' where keybase dossiers the plaintexts
asciilifeform: KimuSan^: i recommend to read log for 6 months, then come back , supposing you've learned anything.
asciilifeform: !!down KimuSan^
diana_coman: KimuSan^, better write your explanation on your blog
diana_coman: possibly several times until it stops going in a loop among other things
diana_coman: !!key KimuSan^
asciilifeform: these used to be at least entertaining, sometimes. nowadays simply sad.
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/15165D813671452D7E59303D074E93D9645FC9DD.asc
diana_coman: o.O he can at least come back, there is that
asciilifeform: oh hey lol
asciilifeform: this means...
asciilifeform: !!rate KimuSan^ -1 i am to understand that usg has control of this privkey.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0fe5f/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v 3E7CFBF1CAC286324946443FE6AFE0FA9D8651BC20F537DA2E9C00EAFC3D4E7F
deedbot: asciilifeform rated KimuSan^ -1 << i am to understand that usg has control of this privkey.
asciilifeform: convenient.
asciilifeform: maybe, once in an asteroid chance, d00d learns something from this.
asciilifeform bbl,tea
mircea_popescu: lmao he's here to drink tea and kick ass, and the tea levels running low...
mod6: :D
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: gotta be the most spectacular speshul-olympics champion logged to date.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the old legend where man buys a watch at flea market, 'it ticks, worx', goes home and there is a little beetle inside, 'ticking' ?
asciilifeform: when beelzebub created the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828612 chix, he still had beetles in stock. nao, seems, ran out...
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 03:29 mircea_popescu: d consider having as my mentor at an actual event in person. Anything else is extra. Otherwise, you can reread my profile. I'm not to be tamed and I am not taking in any submissives.
mircea_popescu: i've not read zee log yet!
asciilifeform: lolk
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828477 << ack, ty for letting me know. I'll try sshing in tonight to rule out webserver failure before I flag down BB to check out the situation manually. (I must say, it is a good feeling knowing that nowhere in this troubleshooting cycle will I need to interface with orcs.)
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 22:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828460 << nor from here. lobbes i suspect that your box is down
BingoBoingo running around trying to finish the tramite that gets a door with a lock
ben_vulpes: noice
BingoBoingo: Well, mostly this involves running back and forth fixing sloppy Uruguayo paperwork.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828640 << literally, "Christ, you are as dumb as a sack of dead cats. You&#39;re nothing more than an idiotic little boy with his dick in his hand. How about you drop your dick, because it&#39;s as limp as your sense of humour I&#39;d rather set myself on fire and die screaming than have you touch me...but I&#39;m sure other women have told you that Everything you enjoy, everything you think
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 03:42 phf: well for one, they all talk like the doms they've seen on tv, "i bore me now" "run along little pet" i mean what's next "beg, worm"?
mircea_popescu: is good, every part of who you are and what you do isn&#39;t worth a moment of my time. So how about you move out of your mother&#39;s spare room and grow a pair Oh and fuck off."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828661 << uh oh.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 14:06 KimuSan^: Name's Kim, and I am just another fellow geek, advocate of free speech and liberation of the internet.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, nobody noticed this puzzler, so i'ma put it in the l0gz : https://archive.li/i7BRf << cr50 magic rsa keys; the montgomery multiplier etc uses hardcoded constant, 96 word ( i.e. 3072 bit ) for the mults, but the keyblobs are 97 , for some strange reason, in size...
asciilifeform: and , for fyooyoor ref :
asciilifeform: LOADERKEY_A : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/659235CAB1D5C2D6AB2819BD8648B0D5012182DD568D4BE8B222BB7152C5888B
asciilifeform: LOADERKEY_B : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/620344B54A5B77C0D59A9A430097097B0A13758B9902F0593BBF0C7929F4F857
asciilifeform: ^ the 3072 bits that actually get rsa'd on
asciilifeform: nao we'll see if the schmucks actually generated 3104-bit key and procrusted it...
asciilifeform: ( or , alternatively, they tacked on 32bits of ??? just for lulz ?? )
asciilifeform: static const uint32_t LOADERKEY_A[RSA_NUM_WORDS + 1] = { ...blah... } where #define RSA_NUM_WORDS 96 ...
mircea_popescu: maybe 1's.
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: unused wrds , from the sores, 0x7a8ee958 and 0x5ec138fd respectively.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/getting-your-messages-out-of-the-shitpile-called-fetlife/ << Trilema - Getting your messages out of the shitpile called Fetlife.
mircea_popescu: lmao this log.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, so dood has a pubkey on whatever, satan's pastebin. what of it ?
mircea_popescu: if i feel like it i can put your pubkey on keybase, asciilifeform ; what then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sin is not that his otherwise healthy pubkey got snarfed by kb
asciilifeform: but walks around spreading plague.
mircea_popescu: !!up KimuSan^
deedbot: KimuSan^ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, he's nobody on a stick. how's he even supposed to know what anything is or how it works or why ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you feel like ministering to his damned soul, go ahead, who am i to say.
mircea_popescu: not the point. the point is that you're attempting to apply a stick to a donkey that's not even there.
mircea_popescu: beating works in the harem, applied to women ~that love you~. can't go around beating perfect strangers, can you ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mean ~shouldn't~. i literally mean, can not.
asciilifeform: 'fellow geeks', 'anonymity', 'keybase', 3 kilometres of js in 3 empty blogs...
mircea_popescu: ya well. so he ain't got much to show for himself.
mircea_popescu: unlike about 7bn of them, he's on the cusp of becoming aware.
asciilifeform: what he oughta begin with, is to make new ( what'll he lose ) pub, and try ~not~ sending the priv to clinto.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824857 << recall I said this, but didn't negrate
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 02:09 asciilifeform: '14 year old cunt routine' to uninvested intelligent n00b is not so diff. but watever.
asciilifeform: then can proceed with building identity.
asciilifeform: ( my verdict was based strictly on the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828688 utterance. and it ain't even clear whether d00d knows what is priv vs pub... )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 14:20 KimuSan^: I place A privkey there.
asciilifeform: this is rather like being unclear on which end of pistol the bullet goes out of. danger to self and others.
mircea_popescu: i don't get what harm you see in pubkey diffusion.
mircea_popescu: it's supposed to be in enemy hands, as part and parcel of what rsa asym cipher is.
asciilifeform: pub ? none. but when d00d proclaims that his priv is public -- then what.
trinque: well, dood said "privkey"
asciilifeform: wouldja rate a phuctored key, that literally anybody can sign with ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where did this happen ?
asciilifeform: y'know, like in http://btcbase.org/log/2013-01-17#-161063
a111: Logged on 2013-01-17 00:32 mircea_popescu: ;;rate rg -1 from what I understand person no longer has sole control of private key.
mircea_popescu: this is circular. where did it ~happen~, not where you reported it happening ?
asciilifeform: d00d himself, in linked line, reported, neh
asciilifeform: why should i not believe him ?
phf: mircea_popescu: keybase can also be used to store private keys, it's my understanding that the person in question put his private key on keybase http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828688
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 14:20 KimuSan^: I place A privkey there.
mircea_popescu: oh.
asciilifeform: that's how i read it.
mircea_popescu: i just automaticvally read "pubkey"
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: i see!
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a significant difference between rg you link and this. at the time i did that, "rg" was well known, the measure was protective.
asciilifeform: could defensibly argue that my rating wastes space on trinque's disk
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between saying "alf lost his privkey" and "nobody lost privkey"
asciilifeform: but i can't picture posrating a hitler-escrowed key.
mircea_popescu: comes right back to, "you wasted prime whip leather on what might have been a beetle"
asciilifeform: motivation described in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828729 .
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 14:40 asciilifeform: maybe, once in an asteroid chance, d00d learns something from this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never played those old amiga games with limited ammo counts ?
asciilifeform: sure did
asciilifeform: d00d should be honoured, that precious bullet was spent on him.
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: aaanyways.
mircea_popescu: KimuSan^ come back later/whatever with a diff key, and don't say things you shouldn't say which you can't possibly know in advance hence the "read logs" thing.
mircea_popescu: our highly in-group culture DEMANDS IT!111
asciilifeform: d00d who doesn't know not to escrow his priv with clitler, has a bit of study to do before he can graduate into kindergarten.
mircea_popescu: what'd be your definition of "technonomad" ?
asciilifeform: nfi
mircea_popescu: for my own needs i go with "neet who '''learned things''' from websites". there's a significant contingent of these, and they all behave the exact same way because they never were in school and so they don't have reflexivity in their toolbox. you propose to just ban the whole class ?
asciilifeform: not ban as such. but gotta have ~some~ minimal notion of hygiene to be fit even for remedial schooling.
asciilifeform: d00d is welcome to come back with new key.
mircea_popescu: alright, this is perfectly reasonable. but is this hygiene to be implemented as "mentions keybase, dead" sorta "has fleas, firing squad" ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in wooden musical instruments with strings, https://78.media.tumblr.com/9d953edcfa63aef3f8f8a95d903e4000/tumblr_p4jw7uwJ2F1ty964ho1_400.gif
mod6: the wooden hammer fountain
asciilifeform: !!up KimuSan^
deedbot: KimuSan^ voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: motherfucker, localbitcoins uses multisig deposit addresses
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it has a centralized escrow box, or how ?
ben_vulpes: yup
asciilifeform: so it's more or less ~= shitpay ? sux
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes will end up trading mocky 3coins for proper 1coins etc ?
asciilifeform: would have to be vice-versa neh
asciilifeform: proper for 3heathen
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in bioengineering, https://78.media.tumblr.com/95e44d2f64bd9ce360b91720c794faae/tumblr_n4nx1bjRPb1qlg3fvo1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: once one has the 3coin, it's a single transaction to transmute into a 1coin iirc? or did we settle on "anything with a 3 in the transactionhistory is badshit"
mircea_popescu: not afaik
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: trb is happy to ~eat~ anyonecanspendolade, just won't shit it
asciilifeform: different matter is how many block's worth of confirm you want to wait to cover the horror with, before carrying on
mircea_popescu: ^
ben_vulpes: right
mircea_popescu: to review this : 3address bitcoin can be spent to proper 1address bitcoin by ~anyone~, at ~any time~. in practice these anyone and any time variables will be set by the miner cartel that finally pulls the plug on the 3address shitshow.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile 1address bitcoin that was in a 3address at any point can be spent by the above anyone, but not at any time. at only such a time as he's willing and capable to replace the chain with an alt chain.
mircea_popescu: leaving the will aside, this is only feasible for short time intervals.
asciilifeform: once it's been sent to a 1actualbitcoinaddr, the usual dynamics (e.g. traditional '6 conf') apply
mircea_popescu: moreover, considering the sums involved here, you can simply not gas.
mircea_popescu: nobody's leting fenrir off the chain simply to steal your coupla grand or what is it.
ben_vulpes: suresure
asciilifeform: considering tho that bbet was torpedoes over a quite comparable (weighed in orcbux, at least) sum -- not so sure
mircea_popescu: technically different items tho. but anyway, worth finding out >,<
asciilifeform: surely
asciilifeform: 'reconnaissance by fire'
mircea_popescu: well... by luscious nude virgins, as the case may be, but yes.
mircea_popescu: or, in recent quotes, "I don't believe that I am the right person to join your lifestyle. Especially since I am very new to this side. I don't have experience and your lifestyle seems a bit intimidating for me, as a beginner."
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu's reply , 'practice with a road cone for 6mo, come back'
mircea_popescu: lol. you know you'r make a terrible mp-on-fet ?
asciilifeform: prolly
asciilifeform: ( terrible violinist, too, while we're at it )
mircea_popescu: you mean with the hammer or in general ?
asciilifeform: with violin
mircea_popescu thinks he makes great violinist, though no violin professor ever agreed.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: was speaking of self strictly.
mircea_popescu: admittedly my violining guidebook is both shorter and significantly different from the commonly held.
asciilifeform: haa
mircea_popescu: a) better be LOUD and b) if no strings snap you're doing it wrongly.
asciilifeform: this, now this standard, can meet!
ben_vulpes: black sabbath violin aha
mircea_popescu: see alf ? just a matter of perspective!
asciilifeform: practiced lotsa with saw !
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: you know the 90s pantsuit story about "black kid practiced for president with" uh no sorry, the other one
mircea_popescu: "kid in africa practiced olympic jumps on cardboard pile"
asciilifeform: btw iirc at one time saw was a popular 'hipster' musical (yes) instrument
asciilifeform: wonder where it disappeared to
mircea_popescu: if jew harp is jew harp therefore saw is polak mandolin ?
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSXJlwjGzHU << apparently still exists!
phf: asciilifeform: it's still around, in new orleans and such you can see crust punks playing it in "old timey" bands
phf: also washboard
asciilifeform: i guess if a thing can hold a standing wave, it's instrument for ~somebody~ somewhere
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: iirc you've used lbtc in living memory, what heathen abortion did you use to send to the 3addr?
mircea_popescu: washboard is very much ozarks.
mircea_popescu personally met "soap hands" old lady.
ben_vulpes: dang, teh crashing
mircea_popescu: o look at that, sub 6k btc!
mircea_popescu: and o look, hardware theremin!
asciilifeform: exactly
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt, leo theremin joined kpss in... 1991. asked why, 'i promised my friend, lenin' )
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: iirc you've used lbtc in living memory, what heathen abortion did you use to send to the 3addr? << I used my 0.7 fork
ben_vulpes: ah
mircea_popescu: "This is the 3d fucking time I’ve deleted this shit, but I keep coming back. I don’t know what sex(s) I like yet, so I feel like if I keep labeling my self as something I’m not that’s not really fair to the person fucking w/ me."
mircea_popescu: penned by "fatkittyvslogic", if it wasn't directly evident.
ben_vulpes: well this is a fuckin doozy; i'm trying to get trb to cough up a transaction that spends 0.00420032 to one address, 6.65784110 to another address, and spends 0.00021850 in fees, all of which my arithmetic pad shows summing to 6.66225992 btc, but trb complains of "insufficient funds". can someone doublecheck my maffs?
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 0.00420032+ 0.00021850+6.65784110
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 6.66225992
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes odds are you're either not setting the fee correctly, or else the inputs are so numerous it won't send with the fee you set.
ben_vulpes: "paytxfee" : 0.00021850,
ben_vulpes: and afaik only spending a single output
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, fee in satoshi / 4 / (count of inputs + count of outputs ) should come over w/e value 100 or w/e it is.
ben_vulpes: next thing i'm going to try is manually walk the spend-to-self down by 100 satoshis until this trb shits a tx out and then look at what it produces
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 3467 is the value i get with that algo
mircea_popescu: is this trb ?
ben_vulpes: this is trb
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes current fees per byte are more in the 50k satoshi range you're aware. it kinda jumped, https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-transactionfees.html#3m
ben_vulpes: i wasn't aware that it was 50ksat/byte, no, but nevertheless trb shouldn't even be aware of that. orthogonal issue, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: that algo's per kb not per byte.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, it's orthogonal, yes.
mod6: trb should just shit out a tx
mircea_popescu: mod6 unless he set up a minimum fee somewhere, though i don't recall how exactly that all works.
mod6: whether it gets picked up quickly or not, depends on the fee.
ben_vulpes: bitcoinfees.earn.com suggests cutoff around ~50 sat/byte, but still, orthogonal
mod6: are you trying to empty the wallet and are somehow off by a few satoshi?
mircea_popescu: if you try to send it with a lower fee than the level you set it to use it'll throw an error ; the rule for trb is to throw useless incomprehensible if not outright misguiding errors.
ben_vulpes: mod6: see that's why i asked for a spot check on the maths
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's either a) dust inputs you don't know about or b) min fee config conflict.
ben_vulpes: pretty confident that there's no dust at play, so i'll look for this min fee config
ben_vulpes: alternatively, recompile with useful need/have numbers in http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp?v=makefiles#0914
asciilifeform: in other noose.....
asciilifeform: ...on second thought i'ma double- and triple- check this before i end up pons-and-fleischmanning this.
asciilifeform: ( attentive log readers prolly guessed already, what asciilifeform might have seen just nao )
ben_vulpes hoping for a garbokey
ben_vulpes: but shitting in other hand
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: gotta verify that it really is garbo, rather than endian trick on my end or the like
mircea_popescu: edges of our seats.
mircea_popescu: actually, nevermind seats ; ima sit down on a human back for this one.
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: phf or anybody with a free hand or 2, plox to review http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828750 , see if i am missing sumthing
a111: Logged on 2018-06-22 18:03 asciilifeform: in other lulz, nobody noticed this puzzler, so i'ma put it in the l0gz : https://archive.li/i7BRf << cr50 magic rsa keys; the montgomery multiplier etc uses hardcoded constant, 96 word ( i.e. 3072 bit ) for the mults, but the keyblobs are 97 , for some strange reason, in size...
asciilifeform: the perplexing thing, supposing there is no eggog in my toolchain, that the mod dun have a multiplicative inverse, it is unclear to me how the fuckers could've signed with it
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/659235CAB1D5C2D6AB2819BD8648B0D5012182DD568D4BE8B222BB7152C5888B << subj.
asciilifeform: if nobody finds obvious mistake, i guess i'ma have to pull an actual enemy signature out of the binariola, and see wtf
asciilifeform: ( erry cr50 fw upgrade bin has no fewer than 2 such sigs )
asciilifeform: for all i know, actual mod in the livefire fw is entirely diff, and this one is a cheap lultrap
mircea_popescu: i would actually say go for it.
mircea_popescu: the cheap lultrap dun seem directed at you.
asciilifeform: yea only 1 way to settle this.
asciilifeform: well actually there's an obvious 2nd.
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "i have nfi how this game is played", https://78.media.tumblr.com/86a15e945803ef886f2686209efa7dc5/tumblr_od2ygdgPdj1r1ds4io1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: how they managed to waste all the rooks with most of the pawns still in the way is an exercise left to the specialists.
mircea_popescu: culture of superficial witnits, why not set down the famous fischer-panno or something of kasparov's or w/e.
asciilifeform: btw to complete the lulz, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F60619EE250B3A56C6676CEBA8260E8AF057DE12446829A25BA36B638174A2ED
mircea_popescu: awww
mircea_popescu: and in other unexpected bitcoin, https://archive.is/xLJBg#selection-881.15-881.22
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: correct as always http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=makefiles#0035
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://cansecwest.com/slides/2017/CSW2017_Enrico_Branca_What_if_encrypted_communications_are_not_as_secure.pdf << yet another faux phuctor
mircea_popescu: there you go.
asciilifeform: 'Mozilla Security Team'
mircea_popescu: im not curling some pdf, fuck 'em, let them learn how to use the web if they want to spread their drivel.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the bit i have yet to unravel is why it thinks there's change to generate
mircea_popescu: it just defaults to thinking that, because satoshi.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ge2OC/?raw=true << the txt crapola, for entomologists strictly
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : same snoar as all other pseudophuctors, no actual keyz posted )
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp?v=makefiles#0957 << next to look at
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile in "i have nfi how this game is played", https://78.media.tumblr.com/86a15e945803ef886f2686209efa7dc5/tumblr_od2ygdgPdj1r1ds4io1_1280.jpg << Maybe massive trade to kill the queens in the G column
mircea_popescu: yeah, or maybe the aliens.
mircea_popescu: or you know, https://78.media.tumblr.com/f512ca3dc8f8a6b99f0b48f7d536f9bf/tumblr_p25df9gLLK1wk5h0ko1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: swamp girl did it.
BingoBoingo: That is a distinct possibilitit
BingoBoingo: In other news the venezolana is back to Venezuala for 3.5 weeks starting tomorrow to take care of her now late father's affairs
BingoBoingo: Looking like I might end up trying Cervantes sooner
mircea_popescu: o noes.
BingoBoingo: Or Portugues
mircea_popescu: and in other oldies, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTgXAxKlEy0
ben_vulpes: i'm out of time on this particular trbism, bbl
BingoBoingo: With the apartment key scheduled to monday and the friend girl gone, this could be a very stressful period of time for the Peruana
ben_vulpes: how's that?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 2nd key ( http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/620344B54A5B77C0D59A9A430097097B0A13758B9902F0593BBF0C7929F4F857 ) stood. i therefore suspect that i did not make any mistake in conversion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it remains to be determined exactly how to go about signing with a key that doesn't have a mult inv. i suspect that in this puzzler also lies the answer to how the infamous 'mirrored' mods were fired in the field.
asciilifeform: ( and whether this actually requires finding ~all~ of the prime factors , or not )
mircea_popescu: as an obvious possibly : there's some error that creates a functional inverse out of an unrelated numbar.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: this would then equally afflict phuctored and unphuctored key
mircea_popescu: "hey guys, did you know your key has mathematically unsound but computably useful pseudoinverse ?"
asciilifeform: it'd afflict 'soup instead of primes' keys as a class
mircea_popescu: conceivably, all keys.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cuz he plans of fucking her in all holes at once 24/7.
mircea_popescu: he's got tentaclepeni.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, did you have the common decency of introducing them ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo btw, did you have the common decency of introducing them ? << Was scheduled for next week
mircea_popescu: maybe she ran away then!
BingoBoingo: The venezolana has a special friend she ran away to Uruguay with. She lives with the friend's family and the two girls share a bed.
mircea_popescu: that sounds sweet.
BingoBoingo: And the Peruana absolutely adores me and does bed and bathroom well, but... she can be very boring
BingoBoingo: From what I understand the Venezolana's special friend is staying here for the duration.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in other twists, not only is neither key in the cr50 fw image i have, but the verification routine does not correspond to the 'open' sores.
asciilifeform: ( mega-surprise )
BingoBoingo: Blog the details. It's friday night. Two and a half days to SEO it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: details will take a while to pry out.
BingoBoingo: This feeds, what is commonly called a series. Sometimes they go exciting places... Sometimes they don't
BingoBoingo has doubts the venezolana is running away for keeps, because she keeps asking how alf is doing
asciilifeform: lolwaat
BingoBoingo: Girl thinks alf is a cool dood and does interestin work
mod6: :]
BingoBoingo: brb
mod6: k
mircea_popescu: haha. they all think this before they meet him :D
asciilifeform: so, meanwhile : finds : key id's seen in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt , lead to pay dirt,
asciilifeform: 1) the pubs thrown earlier in phuctor ( seen in e.g. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/cr50_v3.4/chip/g/loader/verify.c#17 ) dun appear anywhere in fw 3.4
asciilifeform: 2) the RW key, corresponding to 'RW keyid: 0xde88588d(prod)' , appears , and is identical to what lives in https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/cr50_v3.4/util/signer/cr50_RW-prod.pem.pub
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t16fl/?raw=true << dump of RW key
asciilifeform: this in turn , is found in 4 places in the rom , http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dqhNR/?raw=true ( labels mine , offsets preserved )
asciilifeform: ( there's a rw and ro piece in each of the 2 redundant sections of the rom , and each contains a copy of rw key -- why? ask'em, not me )
asciilifeform: however, after this, gets moar interesting:
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/corod/?raw=true << the RO pubkey. (labels mine, offsets original). does not appear to be posted publicly anywhere.
asciilifeform: stored in presumably same bass-ackwards form as the RW.
asciilifeform: the last bit of wtf, is that there dun appear to be anyffing corresponding to the published loader
asciilifeform: in particular, the '0xcafebabe' magicturd in https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/b9f5a3d6baae84950f5ff0c4f7c588e55944818a/chip/g/loader/main.c#L102 , dun appear at all in the bin
asciilifeform: it remains possible that the loader crapola lives in some part of the rom that doesn't get updated and thereby not part of my bin image.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/b9f5a3d6baae84950f5ff0c4f7c588e55944818a/chip/g/config_chip.h#L135 >>
asciilifeform: 'Note: early versions of the SoC would let us build and manually sign our own bootloaders, and the RW images could be self-signed. Production SoCs require officially-signed binary blobs to use for the RO bootloader(s), and the RW images that we build must be manually signed. So even though we generate RO firmware images, they may not be useful.'
asciilifeform: for today this'll be all.
asciilifeform: oh , for compleeetness, http://loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/cr50.bin.prod << the 0.3.4 cr50 fw currently installed in my box. ( the offsets above, are valid for it)
phf: the later is a guess though right, that it's currently installed?
asciilifeform: phf: nein, i flashed it in earlier, recall
asciilifeform: overwrote factory 0.3.3
phf: oh oh of course, you can still flash official ones in
asciilifeform: so as to get a known turd
phf slow
asciilifeform: https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/48d6891db8b5b2b0825136f6f9013a110b2a98da/util/signer/create_released_image.sh << moar re the layout of the fw. apologies for l0gz clutter.
phf: what's the executable substrate? i mean it's an fpga carrying its own architecture, what's it compiled with?
asciilifeform: phf: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/cr50_v3.4/chip/g/build.mk#10 << see
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : CFLAGS_CPU+=-march=armv7-m -mcpu=cortex-m3 )
asciilifeform: it's an arm7 m3 with a few custom i/o regs and some iron for crypto accel ( strictly hashing & symmetric , all else in soft )
asciilifeform bbl
phf: ty

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