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(trilema) ben_vulpes: it *will* happen.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i imagine a steady-state future where people operate gossipd cells in much the same way that ircd's are operated on fleanode.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: forgive the extremely poorly articulated comment.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how does someone relay a message to a cell and from a cell to another cell?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i imagine we'll all be running our own cells initially.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clever, neh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gossipd when
(trilema) ben_vulpes: confession time, i know nothing about the arcana of irc modes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] hitler does know considerably more under the all-signed scenario than alternative. << your sought "morale hit"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: derp, i meant gribble.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't actually care.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you know what?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: when did assbot come back?
(trilema) ben_vulpes stomps foot petulantly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah but how come BingoBoingo gets to !up and not me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wait are we actually using altgribble for auth now?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: someone up mats plz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 100% serious
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] o look, 1k lines by 4 am. ben_vulpes will so much love this. << lord am i
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] i won't argue that wot moves ought to be retained for all eternity; but will say that some automatic caching is necessary << wotchains, perchance?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] probably quite a few folks. but the thing that distinguishes fermat from wot is that wot needs to be at least quasi-'hot' to really work as intended, imho. << strikes me that a series of "rating" messages should be parsed to build a rating history.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bad joke; disregard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's because we're all distracted by the hyperattractor 30d above the horizon and 15 deg port!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not a record of all strings sent to "#b-a", but a record of all strings sent to "#b-a" as seen by the lN of "assbot".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "what matters" << to a keyset though, not "to everyone"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: forgive the dunce cap hanging over my eyes, but i'm entirely failing to see how this makes for an unrepudiable log of the forum.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i was commenting at the point in the discusison at which messages were unsigned. did messages become signed?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: by anyone who cares to transmit with a bogus "from"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah i guess the log only makes sense as maintained by someone in a wot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how does it maintain any sort of relevance, if it can be polluted by...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] that is an ad-hoc, bug-ridden reimplementation of the blockchain! << yeah but only half
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it only works for us, and sort of right now (?!?!?) because once upon a time assbot relied on the "authedness" of users via the "gribble" service.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how to preserve the serenissima log semantics though? if all "chat lines" are wholly deniable, the notion of a public forum in which to do business publically falls apart.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] and if i am in your list and you in mine the same is preserved by gossipd. << means that if you want everything you say on the record, operate a server for your identity.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i like 'unscannable for', not because of any derping re: 'anonymity', but from sheer delight in the morale hit to enemy << this one in particular
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "fun" << myeah something like fun
(trilema) ben_vulpes: much obliged
(trilema) ben_vulpes: matter of fact listening to you and mircea_popescu and artifexed go on has been educational and illuminating in any number of ways
(trilema) ben_vulpes: f'n bril, asciilifeform.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no wavefronts are a thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah that's rich
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've not the mental horsepower to attack this right now. after tango tho.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways! i must off to tango lessons.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i still fail to see how you're going to make a txn that gets included in the large block chain and not the small block chain.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: specifics, though, BingoBoingo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how do you plan to cook up a transaction dumping your coins that's valid on the gavinchain but not the mirceachain?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> heck, if 99% of miners move to the fake chain all the better - lower real diff for a while. << why if 99% of miners move onto that chain, would anyone ever move off?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: all-channel attack, huh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: gitmo, no doubt
(trilema) ben_vulpes: get a cloak toddf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh and now a netsplit?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "Helo" -> "Hello" ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are
(trilema) ben_vulpes: where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Fun: try again, that kind of statement doesn't hold any water with me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: and how would you know if the db'd changed?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fun and how would you know?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pretty impressed that single point of failure went this long without failing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: man how long can we keep this juggling act up?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wah jesus that's a scrollback
(trilema) ben_vulpes is off for a bit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: run 'em in parallel.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i just want more coins plz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you have a thing that works, congrats.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind
(trilema) ben_vulpes: use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr
(trilema) ben_vulpes: don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you could, ofc.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's your quoting logic
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts
(trilema) ben_vulpes: use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations
(trilema) ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control
(trilema) ben_vulpes: are you planning to convert directly to fiat?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s wife material
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gamechanger right there.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you can afford to denominate in btc...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: here's to dedis
(trilema) ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've been digging through https://twitter.com/ipxcore/ (ghetto vps) for uptime gems
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's a shitload of work yow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how've you been?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "the hoplites"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no its horrible
(trilema) ben_vulpes: garter snakes hueeee
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ooh most noble order of the garter
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the peerage?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "shit mp wants built"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: znc is broken flaky hellspawn.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and a bouncer, while we're at it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not i but a good friend.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_modem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i too, read logs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes gents i understand all of this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [] lispm on the block , yes << what does this mean?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i just read cpp and overflow mod6's buffer with bad ideas
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] well done mod6 an ben_vulpes << pshaw i'm entirely tangent; mod6 does all the heavy lifting.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't get it either, ascii_modem. who takes drugs into planes in plainly labled "DRUGS" canisters?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes: translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? << less about the aerodynamic stuff; glider guys are wealthy business owners in yacht/building fabrication (among others businesses) and they're complaining about 5% increase in cost of materials everywhere
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ministry of torrents?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: okay. back in biz.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm going to read logs and then hopefully disconnect all of those errant connections. or just permaban myself! who can ever know with fleanode.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well this is exciting!
(trilema) ben_vulpes takes some time to think
(trilema) ben_vulpes: daily computations of volume?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how'd we do things before the nasdaq?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the point being that one shouldn't be allowed to fire off an order and then immediately its cancellation just to see the market response?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lolno, even my dreams aren't that grand.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: subject of terminals, may i ask what terminal you use, asciilifeform?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal << not to mention at the heart of so many terminals.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aside from experimentally kicking everyone one at a time, logging in and finding the culprit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: t: how would we find out?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: t: any chance you can make freenode autocloak people? i don't see the value in exposing everyone's IPs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pretty simple.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: t: well for a while anyone without a cloak got ddossed.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ascii_modem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you too can slay grues!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's one of the more fun nodes in the bitcoin arg.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mostly cult self-affirmation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whatever one makes of it, t.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cryptoautarky?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: t: cryptoanarchy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clearly google is oppressing you.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !down mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hm mebbe i'm not seeing mode changes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "no u guise seriously i do everything the way lizard hitler insists"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [19:31:50] these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << lol i love this routine
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: amidoinitrong?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up ben_vulpes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/ << purchaser of the contract is nowhere to be found lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: going so far as to build planes and fleets purpose designed to be vulnerable to swarm attacks.,
(trilema) ben_vulpes: usg seems to be going out of its way to avoid anything smart with drones.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unmanned vehicles can pull arbitrary g loads, and be made across the spectrum of capability in a way that the manned vehicles currently aren't (probably couldn't be, due to procurement processes).
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the limit of this curve has some interesting hints for the future of air combat.
(trilema) ben_vulpes is no wwii japanese historian either
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bamboo suicide planes, the stories hold.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: let's not forget the nips.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ha that's an amusing point.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "could it be a UFO, boss?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the point is that "stealth" merely reduces the cross section, doesn't render things invisible.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: come now, the obsession with stealth is a great indicator of how moronic US armsmithing's become.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "that 2x2 thing up at 30kft moving at mach 1.8 couldn't *possibly* be an airplane!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "stealth" aircraft is a straight up retarded concept.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for now, none of my problem domains need modeling with any sort of "objects".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, ascii_modem: i'll get to know it eventually. only now beginning to dabble with McCLIM at gabriel_laddel's suggestion.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: got my hopes up for a second there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [02:37:56] kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum. <<< kako is like our blind slovenly prophet. he knows teh truths! << blind somalian i thot ;)
(trilema) ben_vulpes dreams lightly of litho processes and large gates
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sub hundred.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sub ten dollars.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: block scarcity must be preserved!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hola mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (but also many thanks to our supporters :))
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fwiw, i don't see any need for tracking donors. anonymous charity is best charity.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: thanks!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, with the unspent outputs pool and ones pk's secured elsewhere on disk, a determined and angry bitcoiner should be able to manage their own wallets with a minimum of fuss.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've not found a clever way to encourage "git" to poop "tags" between given commits to STDOUT.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i say "should", as verifying this will entail building and booting an 0.8 or later node.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nominally, returns interesting data about the unspent outputs pool. the output of which one should be able to grep through to find ones own unspent transactions.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pretty horribly named command, though: "gettxoutsetinfo".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: even conformal's implementation doesn't do that.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and gettxoutsetinfo by my (late, addled) research doesn't seem to appear before 0.8 something
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush. gettxoutsetinfo + createrawtransaction + signrawtransaction are pretty close to a minimum viable bitcoind.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and to those following along with the "minimum viable bitcoind" saga at home, while createrawtransaction and signrawtransaction entered ~0.7, gettxoutsetinfo is not included.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "ballmer peak" is kind of misleading. it's more of a surfing phenomenon.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;seen xdotcommer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --currency xau
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: "nigga rigged" << til
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: did you ever actually close on any ru bonds?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: most american POS operators are debit/credit agnostic in my experience.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's the restocking cost for 2 cosco-sized shopping carts?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or has chargebacks, ibid.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's because amex rarely bounces, being a rich person charge card.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel stumpwm it is, although the nomenclature stems from ratpoison unless if i'm doing my archaeology correctly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "they're all wired up. this is cattle country.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "is this one wired up?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes must piss on each and every electric fence.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "banishing" the mouse to the lower left will trigger a dock emergence, and "banishing" the mouse to the upper right will similarly trigger a "menu bar" animation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: further adventures in bending macos to my will: the "menu bar" is hideable via configuring X11 to launch in "presentation mode", but afaik that space is still unusable.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bong and a blince?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and also the increasing difficulty of finding capable labor.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gossip from the glider club: guys in construction (yachts etc) are talking about 5% cogs increases every month for the past 33
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the man goes on vacation and *boom*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so there's a really particularly good argument for tiny blocks.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more like a roach motel.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: zoo implies people want to go there.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've always envisioned NYC style "projects", but with minimal food/water/electricity/internet piped in to keep the denizens complacent.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'd like to know who it is...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ethanol, oil, lisp...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: simple things are beautifully powerful.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: baby doll: "well you see you can call your cc provider up and they'll reverse the transaction for you!"
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