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(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: the terms are public in smg's reports, so that's not news
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: out of curiosity - do you include me in there too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to what do I do, the condensed list would be: eulora; family & friends & assorted personal interests. Does this answer your question?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: heh, well spotted.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: all right; hopefully a Sunday review does happen though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: figure out if you can find a solution or not as the sooner you decide (on significant grounds) either way, the better for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, I'll be back in the evening and looking forward to talking to you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if it's any help, there are plenty of documented cases even of me and MP seemingly disagreeing most strongly on something - to only turn out after quite a heated conversation that no, we actually agree about the core of whatever it was.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: in short, I think we actually agree on fundamentals but we have interacted and communicated directly so precious little and so fragmented that it's very easy to end up in disagreements just for lack of clear shared terms (or clear understanding of one another's terms)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-14#1021192 - while I call it differently for good reasons, I have already said that there's a need for a full re-think; it might not have been obvious, but that includes exactly your point there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-14#1021188 - that is a most reasonable condition indeed; can you spell out for me your other major conditions?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-14#1021186 - I get it that it's not joint; I further have to infer though that it is secret; the reason why I asked is so that I get some idea re what you have most interest in, not so that there's some forced join of any sort; does this make any sense to you? can you at least clarify for me the reason for secrecy?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this evening I'll be around from 8pm UTC most likely, instead of the usual 7pm.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: is there some day & time when you can set aside some time-window so there is some predictable way to interact with you? I understand that you have very little time available and so a fixed and known-upfront window would make the most of it, I'd say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ... description], I was expecting a *discussion of how V enters the picture*, followed by a summary and a spec. It's clear that something's not clearly expressed or at least not clearly enough for me - why does a discussion of how V enters the picture require an agreement of position re only-busybox-or-not? and furthermore, why would a discussion of V-in-OS depend on such a choice?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-13#1021064 - trinque , I confess that my perception doesn't fully match your stated perception here; for one thing I don't get at all how is that 4th piece now a matter of busybox-as-entire-userland position/decision, when according to your own [http://trinque.org/2020/01/20/a-republican-os-part-3/#comment-155][previous ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: the more important point to take home re Qntra's current lack of economic activity and market value is that you have to aim specifically and work so that the future qntra DOES have such wonders or you might as well burry it now and save some time; you said you plan to run it as a business - the very meaning of that IS economic activity and market value.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-13#1021050 - trinque, what are you working on? after all this time I still don't have any clear idea at all, really.
(trinque) diana_coman: trinque: I probably do want it; I'm still not clear on what it does though; how is the multi-channel voice meant to work?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, I need to go away from keyboard for now; I might be able to check in briefly in a few hours if that's of any help; in any case, I'll surely be back tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: for one thing now it's offline signer rather than offline wallet and any change of words should be at least justified explicitly; for another thing, your problem seems to be that you don't use the definition when you get to bigger/fuzzier questions eg at "what is an attack vector relevant for this and what isn't"; all of a sudden on those you forget the boundaries the definition provides and go as wide as you can see, or so it ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: maybe start from there really; try to figure out proper definitions for what you are trying to do (recall, a definition serves basically to neatly separate the thing out of the huge soup of ~everything, in the end) and then work from them - it might make for more self-assurance too for that matter.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: o.O how do you jump now to that? an offline wallet is rather clearly defined (though now I recall one of the issues coming to light as a result of the attempt with MP was precisely that you didn't have quite a clear definition there to start with ...)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the correct way to do it can be known - it stems from the task so why wouldn't it be possible to know? and note that it's not some mathematically proved absolute best we are talking about, yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha; plenty of huhs and hms and mhms to ponder :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that "don't seem to push back much on anything but price" is one the very obvious clues (and otherwise very much what I guessed without being there, because it's an effect not a cause)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and to wrap it up, as you might notice even in the wording above, it all comes back to the old and oft-repeated points of don't exam take in ANY form, no matter how light and focus on causes, never on purposes because you can NOT know the future.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw I do have a sneaking suspicion that your "business prospects" there are a very...interesting sort, let's say, but that'll be for another day; nevertheless, ^^^
(ossasepia) diana_coman: does it make more sense to you if I call the opportunity one to "showcase your offline wallet as a working business tool"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: is that something you'd do to a business prospect?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and in being a live test of what you aim for business, you should have approached exactly like a business prospect in the end; because the 2nd point is that an opportunity (with the right people) is not pre-bounded ie how much comes out of it/as a result of it is limited only by your performance really, not by whatever you might initially perceive as "the purpose" or anything of the sort.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ok; MP gave you this opportunity of a *live test with useful audience* essentially; and in this I suspect is the first point to take home - by the sounds of it you really focused more on guessing/aiming for MP's needs than on the basic task(s) at hand first and foremost.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: it's not that I'm looking for anyone to guess/match/identify, at all; it's simply that the *viability* of at least some directions depend a lot on what people want to do and which ways they want (or don't) to go; so for this reason, I really want to hear everyone who cares to go forwards in any way, really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the OS for sure; the scheme interpreter I'd gather; you tell me specifically what/if anything else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: sticking to what you know most on, namely your own stuff: you had just published/promised an offline wallet of your own making on top of previously published software that is the very core of your business; is this correct so far?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so what sort of needs then? and ask to clarify then
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-13#1020990 - now I curse in Russian for lack of proper whatfor vs whyfrom; your answer looks at my "how come" as a "to what end"; my question asked "where from" - with a view to help you figure out also how to come with better questions at all times.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: were there some follow-up questions you had?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: there's more than one .
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: a chance to what? and were those specific-MP needs?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: tsk, let him struggle, what; it's good for him; and he knows anyway that he won't get away with just that for an answer :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: heh, how come I keep coming with questions to struggle with?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: your review aims for the most important differences you can make right now on your side, so no worries there at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so that first step done, the next: what does/did the situation mean for you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: perhaps leave to the side for a moment the attempt to evaluate MP's capabilities -since mhm, perhaps you don't quite have enough data there, you know?- and focus on the situation itself and what it meant/could mean for you, how about that? after all, it's your own position in any given situation that is possibly both best known to you and of most interest, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that's a very silly way of looking at it and moreover, if you also use it (as it sounds) so that you basically ignore the feedback, it falls further than silly on that side.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you are conflating there *his options* with *his decision* (and possibly with your own role in all of it, huh)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: today I'll need to go away from keyboard in about half an hour from now, so if there's something that is better discussed today than tomorrow, the sooner the better.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what is the surprise in there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: surprises are where learning happens - IF you pester those surprises with questions!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: in your review on yh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-13#1020936 - bvt, glad to hear this; what do you make/think of the situation otherwise?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-13#1020915 - to my mind, each has a vested interest in *others'* work&struggle to succeed and on wider grounds really but I don't know if this even makes any sense or to whom - unless each speaks their mind, on this as on anything else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hi jfw, how's the bellow of the blast & growling of the gale looking today?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-13#1020902 - I would add that operations should continue *in a different way*; not just the passive "things will be different"; and I'd be quite interested in hearing what each of you thinks on this "different how" , too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw the lot happening seamingly at the same time/all at once tends to be how things go; the unsaid part being though that ~none of what "happens" just appears out of nowhere and so it's not mandatory to end up totally surprised by everything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-13#1020891 - there's a bit more he says in there; what do you make of the reason?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-13#1020881 - true, it's the healthier option I learnt with time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: that "or something like that" is quite the hedging.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: sure; and as previously said - there is time that *has to* be taken properly, none of this will get sorted in a day.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: if you want, it's yet another version of that "get over yourself" - funnily enough getting over yourself is actually ...helping precisely yourself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it's a very...practical thing, let's say; because how/whether you are concerned or not does decide in the end what you do and esp what you don't do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: among other things, yes; for starters even to be one even not all that concerned about dieing; not in the suicidal sense but in the very simple sense that "if it gets there, so be it"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's way past that point in a sense so there is now at least the obligation (and luxury, all in one) of taking the time to figure out what is and moreover what lasts past the initial rush.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: despite what it might seem, it's *not* an emergency.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: one thing to get fully at this point though is that *nothing good will happen in a hurry*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I can't quite tell as such; it can be either that or exactly true as stated; it will take some time to tell.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: sure; and as you very well know, questions are better asked, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and eulora is the flagship game, not a tmsr-something anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: yes, s.mg is a business on mpex, so why wouldn't it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but this is part of what I was saying at the very start today, that what you make of it moving forwards is entirely your choice.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: indeed, not quite the same thing, since the tmsr- part of it is no more as such.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: to the extent that you want to do that, it can be, why not; but do realise that there's as always a whole context to it and as such, it will still need some re-think and some discussion and some wider planning.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what does it mean "to continue with tmsr os"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: there's fun in everything!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: well, resonate is one thing, esp when with past version of self; the question is -and can only be- re current & future.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that's surely one sort of can&did, yes; not the only sort, but works as one example, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: each picks their own "horrifying" - are there any horrifying for you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: getting back to the "fully fit", how about this?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yes, that's exactly what it was; my hometown is/was an industrial town (petrol refineries, plural as in 4+) so lots of experience with residences being disconnected because unimportant.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: no worries, I just didn't have any idea those happened there, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, it's not the old-ro-commie version of industry-first but the more modern version of maintenance-what-maintenance?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: but what, literally blackouts in panama now?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: now I wonder if you even glimpsed anywhere near *how much* there is to the example in terms of "can & did", huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and appeal has nothing to do with it really; again, not like being able to do something means you have to do it all the time or even frequently or whatever.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what's the "thin ice"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: a consensual beating as in what, a signed statement/recorded message/what exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the question is not that; the question is quite simple though admiteddly difficult to answer without actual practice: can you do X? (and note that no, can do does not mean one will always do it but it does mean that one has the option to do it and *exercises a choice* each time when does/doesn't do it)
(ossasepia) diana_coman is ready to believe that, if stated.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: are you telling me that 30+ years you practiced ~exclusively the...prediction mode?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: dunno, beating women?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the reason I'm not providing you with "the definition" is that I doubt it will be any help if the detailed, documented and interacted-with live example can't help.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and take some of the more "outrageous" acts, whichever seem that way to you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so take him as best example (and well documented, at that) of his definition, what's wrong with that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ofc it will backfire and not even because of "so far behind" but precisely because of being an idiotic approach to start with; it IS the very essence of exam-taking after all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: why the fuck would you focus on *prediction* of other peoples' reasoning instead of focusing on what you are trying to *do*, ffs
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, the tough questions that need to be asked & answered though; such is the very meaning of significant changes, after all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion did I block you there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: it's not about "mp will let me" ffs; for that matter, do you have the impression that he's either a toddler who just wants to throw toys out of the pram or an idiot who makes decisions randomly and therefore can't be convinced of anything, or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-12#1020778 - that may very well be; understand that as long as you can't find *any* sort of drive of your own and no focus on what you *can* control as opposed to what you can't, you won't be able to run a business because how and on what is it exactly supposed to run? on its own power and drive, are you aiming to prove yet again that perpetuum mobile can somehow be made or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, the full definition might not even be needed, since the "fully fit" hard test comes with the convenience of being very easy to reject at least; so take some of the most uneasy/horrifying parts and check first on those.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if the answer given there matches *reality*, regardless of which of the two possible answers it is, you can go ahead and build on it and you stand a chance to succeed at the direction thus chosen precisely because it fits reality; if however the answer given does not match, you'll go the way that is ~guaranteed to result in failure as it's hallucinated rather than real.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and note that the point is to look exactly at what is; there's no "should be/should not be" answer there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: key words in the question above being *fully fit*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I guess it would help you to have a think at the question above ^ too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-12#1020706 - tying this back in (because it does tie back in and we only took the detour to have it all in sight precisely to be able finally to put it together): jfw, do you understand MP's definition of man and do you actually want to fully fit that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not sure what do you get exactly out of that because the way you say it, it doesn't seem to be something you are all that clear on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-12#1020729a - note also that what it includes is anyway indicative of the lord's *limitations* rather than of "what he can get away with"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: transplanting* (though trans-splatting might give some idea as to how it works in practice, lolz)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: in short, culture is essentially a sum-result; sure, it can be transmitted but within the environment that grew it basically, not transplanted (and the transplating approach has been tried over and over again with the same fail each and every time)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: it's certainly a better question indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, there are also mad people in the world and at times you can literally meet them, right? not like it didn't or can't happen.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: nobody said that madness is extinct or something, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you do realise that there's a difference between that madman ringing at your door and your earlier lord who can get away with bloody murder
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: does it seem to you happening as in focused/aimed/meaningful somewhere?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: but you touch on the point in that you got in there the "authorized"already
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it's not even about saying that though I can see how/why you could package it that way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-12#1020729 - jfw , quite a significant part of the closure is precisely the conclusion that ...no, there aren't really anymore such people in the world, nor likely there will be as such.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, the republic did not stand on its own feet, it withered rather; this is the situation that is and while I see ways forwards, none of them are "we are still tmsr".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: it's deeper than that even.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at any rate, laters, no worries.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: at the grass roots life goes on the same, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: it's not a matter of inclination but one of decisive action (to say perhaps more than decision+action); and one that requires a certain approach + resources; at any rate, if you want to make it a business, you are certainly best off retaining MP as manager if at all possible; and so perhaps start from making sure *that* is possible, I have no idea.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (well, some can be argued to be worse than others too, sure, but that's not all that significant compared to the deeper and bigger problem)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the trouble with that enforce this and make the problems go away is that the very core aka the approach itself is nonsense, not that one set of rules/recipes are worse than another.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: one important bit in there is that nobody just "implements" a culture like that; it's never the case that anything works by means of applying a set of recipes to whatever is out there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: well vehicle and all that, the question though is whether it's going to be a business or a hobby or what exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: why does that come to mind or how?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what is that culture to be implemented?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: do those include any of the horrific bits you mentioned?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: yes, you could have certainly done better; not only you for that matter; and yes, it's worth learning from it ALL you can and fast, esp since it sucks that much that possibly you really don't want similar suck in the future; there is *also* the important fact that what you failed to do NEVER invalidates what you DID do well, despite a very common tendency to think/feel that way
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, what *do* you have for it? you know, you can't set reality on hold until you come up with definitions for it, it's not how things work in practice ever.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ok, what was his envisioned republic?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: that's not answering at all what's your plan for qntra; for one thing, may I remind you that you have a board for qntra and I'm not even on it, right? for the other, may I also remind you that Qntra is even now branded as ~"tmsr herald"- which is hardly a fit *after tmsr*, yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: right; so for starters, what's your understanding of the "closure" anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: the collection of evidence accumulates as time passes; what's that to do with it though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what's the meaning you took from the text?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: and for starters, it's unclear if you are being too hard on yourself or too full of yourself to really think *you broke* the whole thing; but even beyond this, I'll tell you: no, it's not your doing as such.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: I can set your mind at rest on that score - no, it was not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ave1, billymg, BingoBoingo, bvt, dorion, lobbes, spyked, trinque, whaack - do you care to say your mind on this, at all?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and atm the silence on this is rather ...loud.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-12#1020643 - it makes sense it will take time indeed; it'll probably take less if there is some conversation
(ossasepia) diana_coman: moving on to the end of tmsr - hopefully it is clear that moving forwards is possible but not without significant changes, since it can't be "the same thing" by any definition
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thanks are one thing, learning from it is even better :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: obv, you should have at least some idea as to what you can have ready by when
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for that matter, if it were me, I'd probably have *both* options on the table.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: sanely, you should talk to MP and agree on a deadline for next attempt really; then plan your way accordingly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: heh, the trouble is really in how you use it ie ...I can't answer that as stated really; on one hand, being able to drop gnat entirely can be a huge plus; otoh you are moving at the last minute from a known-to-work solution to an ad-hoc put-together so ...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: any further questions re that test-run/preparing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: for that matter mod6 documented v.pl extremely well and it's *that* the reason I stuck with it (even though I am no fan of perl, at all)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: heh, see?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the first step is to gather the list of what is needed, anyway; hm, I think for starters there was a list of pre-requisites (from trb perhaps?) and re v.pl I don't recall it having a problem on any perl version; you can say "tested on this and that", it's not the absurd "I can now point to the full list of versions of the software (and combinations since environment!!) and say on which it works and on which it doesn't"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: fwiw, CS itself pretty much ends up an OS and for similar reasons, yes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yes, that's basically the missing complete republican computer
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you *can* have a list of pre-requisites, you know? just like you said e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959149
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: what's your plan re Qntra now?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: not only v-sloppiness, no; because it's obviously not limited to that (it's not even all that clear that it *can* be limited that narrowly, ever)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, I'll be back at 7pm as usual.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I kind of have an inkling that if I attended one of those events in Panama, I'd be laughing a *lot*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but you see, stuff like this comes out of interactions only; and the fact that it was lacking betrays precisely "been working only alone and/or with close/same-mind friends"...
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there's a big gap between implicit ("I know I'm able to do it and it will work") and explicit ("here are the steps and I can tell you at which why and how and what are prerequisites + results & where to look if something goes wrong)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not just about "make sure it works" but also having in detail the *explicit* knowledge of what the process is *in practice*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: certainly in a fresh environment, taking note of what is required and what the concrete steps are; obv, you are talking to a literate (and computer literate too) person so you will adjust your *guidance* accordingly, but that comes *after* having done the test run fully so that you can *pick* any level of detail needed (and even adjust higher/lower on the fly, as/if needed)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: is it clear what I'm saying there re test-run?
(trilema) diana_coman: jfw: no, it wouldn't solve the problem at hand, indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: jfw: listen, you do a full test-run of everything so that you can properly guide someone step by step and you know 200% what is required and at what point.
(trilema) diana_coman: it does at that; and my "starter" thing there is precisely a stopgap; that comes...miraculously handy at times but still apparently not worth checking upfront or something, huh.
(trilema) diana_coman: jfw: why don't you take the zip, do the test run and then you know and can tell ?
(trilema) diana_coman: I think it states quite clearly what it presses to; is that not enough for what you need?
(trilema) diana_coman: jfw: hm, which fix?
(trilema) diana_coman: jfw: does the above mean that the "offline" part includes trb?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: perhaps one way to see this is that here's a mighty wall, after all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw and for as long as there is a use to it that I can see, I'll still be here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and in that, there is no "don't stand a chance" that matters really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion jfw the situation is what it is; what you make of it though, going further is your choice entirely
(trilema) diana_coman: dorion: ah, initially it was I guess because of blender; but meanwhile blender will not get to do much/be supported anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: useful collaboration pushes all parties for growth really, otherwise if it's all that narrow it's possibly a training machine rather than a collaboration; and for that matter you have been collaborating with dorion , obviously.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "is that a talent" refers to "knowing more than JS"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: ahaha, is that a talent?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: anyways, I'm asking those questions because it doesn't seem that they got ever asked and I think the answers matter to you; but other than that, it's not really that *I* need the answers or anything of the sort, so I'm not even going to chase this or anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, first of all I'd struggle to quite define "top programming talent" and second I have serious doubts I totally want to meet those from what I have know/met already, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: is the junto open doors/changing people all that frequently? I thought it was more of a relatively stable group of friends meeting.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, the good parts are always enjoyable, sure; the only question is -as always- re the not-good parts; whether you even considered them to start with and whether they were/are indeed what you want or not, that's pretty much all there can ever possibly be from a practical point of view.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: that's the key word indeed; but now you answered it like that - do I take it that the coinapult situation was anyway the only time when you even attempted as such to work on programming with *someone else* at all?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: other than what the client needs, it would be only mysql really for the server; on the server the list of deps is to be smaller anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ok, thanks for the update.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: for that matter, since I never got around to even ask such totally unexpected question - didn't you ever find other actual people to program with?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: sure; anyway, my shock or lack of it can only do stuff for me, not much for anyone else, for better or for worse.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dependencies* page
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: is that tmsr os page stuck/finished/where?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: cool then; and huh, I thought it has been way more than a week on that tbh but possibly I'm not all that up to date with all the pushes of that schedule.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, it will most likely remain like that unless something is terribly wrong and it starts burning, I guess.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, I see (and no, I didn't think of that at all, lolz).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what do you mean by "user-level" ? (from "ignum.scm: A user-level unsigned bignum arithmetic library")
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: is article planned for today too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw dorion do I take it correctly that today was some emergency-tmsr-os-day?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's more of a brief ref than textbook, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: quite; recursive contextualization ftw!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: of course; but so your problem is that you are not used to keeping different contexts in mind or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yes,yes but on all those days when "could not write anything!!!"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you know, why didn't you publish that on your blog?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie if you want the character they represent rather than their interpretation in whatever context
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: special characters are simply escaped, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: oh, huh; why /what's tripping about .?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: more than filters it would be some data that I'd like to see, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: how are those scripts/crawler/filters coming up? when is your eta for something concrete out of them?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: the alternative is really to *force* your slowdown but it doesn't sound like the sort of think to focus on atm, there are plenty others way more important so use the spell checker you need, make sure you read *slowly* and literally word by word; at this stage you don't even want to focus on the meaning but on the spelling.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: well, if it's only on occasion, you clearly just don't focus on that level of detail enough; so for starters and as it's meant to be published, I guess you need a spell checker - not to rely on it but as a safety net you require currently
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: for that matter this proofreading thing is something you really need to get the hang of, too; iirc I suggested already you use a spellchecker since it seems you really need one, but - are you using it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: do you spot mistakes at times *after* publishing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I understand the difference at editing stage, sure but proofreading is the same check for everyone really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: uhm, why would the proofreading process be different for your pieces vs someone else's anyway? it doesn't seem to be worth making the difference at *proofreading* stage
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: well, what have you been doing so far and why/where is it not working?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: to the extreme I suppose you can even simply use that approach on purpose ie make sure you have high stakes on precisely what you are aiming for otherwise but it sounds rather stressful/not all that healthy to me.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ok but how /what exactly do you have in mind?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: to expand on http://younghands.club/2020/03/09/jfw-review-week-of-2-mar-2020/#comment-560 - your priorities for this week are easy to pick /quite clear so I suspect you'd have done exactly what you say whether explicitly set out or not; and the clarity there comes really from what you perceive to be at stake, which is just another way of saying ...firefighting really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: while yes, can live with it, it's still both ugly and unnecessary really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: seriously, BingoBoingo, you should also fix once and for all your proofreading process re qntra as I think there's almost ~always some typos making it in.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: to my mind there wasn't anything new/unknown/controversial in there really; (or I'd have moved it to #t earlier anyway).
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959326 - for a moment I thought this was re the graphics work, keks.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: eh, read the whole, approx spelling is not a virtue, no; neither is a disqualifier esp online
(trilema) diana_coman: bvt: that looks good indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: dorion is right though, that #select is borked
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what a great #o log to start the day to! BingoBoingo draft looks good, I'd probably just add a comma after "to take shape"; and congrats to jfw on a straight-to-the-point quote!
(trilema) diana_coman: meh, wrong chan, sorry.
(trilema) diana_coman: what a great #o log to start the day to! BingoBoingo draft looks good, I'd probably just add a comma after "to take shape"; and congrats to jfw on a straight-to-the-point quote!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, not to say to not do it, it's your choice; just to consider if and whether it's worth the bother of yet another key.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I can see the point; it's still a V signature though, if with another key, heh; and still using them.
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