ben_vulpes: can we get the best of both worlds? eg log to standard debug.log if unconfigured, syslog if configured?
ben_vulpes: is disabling logs on the pogo not an adequate solution for you?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: turn it off on the pogo. they're fire and forget, are they not?
ben_vulpes: great big screaming steamer of "i cannot reason about this system"
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the debug.log thing is horrendous imho
ben_vulpes: phf: i'd rather not have compilation involved in configuring logs.
ben_vulpes: wb nubbins`
ben_vulpes: $bizpartner is going to shoop us around in a fiberglass meattube
ben_vulpes is sitting at the glider port
ben_vulpes: had enough of that flavor of chumpatronics, tyvm.
ben_vulpes avoids
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: phf: nifty
ben_vulpes: o nm
ben_vulpes: cutblock wasn't you?
ben_vulpes: just curious to know if you had done something clever to dump the blocks.
ben_vulpes: ascii_modem: forgive the idiocy, i don't see any scriptage around the `dumpblock'ing
ben_vulpes: surely not...
ben_vulpes: we broke email. notrly surprised.
ben_vulpes: it's fine tho i'll just buy a little more rsi :P
ben_vulpes: all of your mails coming through in .txt makes finding your utterances annoying, because i don't index attachments
ben_vulpes: didja now?
ben_vulpes: ?
ben_vulpes nods
ben_vulpes: link plx? ascii_modem
ben_vulpes: hate to interrupt, but ascii_modem did you ever post a hack for speedily dumping all blocks via a -dumpblock analog or am i misremembering?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: shiva indeed
ben_vulpes: k
ben_vulpes: neat trick.
ben_vulpes: ah that's delightfully affordable
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: wipe and slam with dd-wrt?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: "unifi ap"?
ben_vulpes: rallymoad?
ben_vulpes: get outta heah!
ben_vulpes: i have eight people here and this consumer object is falling over
ben_vulpes: certainly, but i'd like something nice-/ish/
ben_vulpes: anyone running dd-wrt have a recommendation on midprice router hardware?
ben_vulpes: I KEEL U
ben_vulpes: shinohai: you up him again...
ben_vulpes: fucking register.
ben_vulpes: SuchWow: get a fucking key.
ben_vulpes: gossip is already a reserved term, sorry.
ben_vulpes: a lol is a "line of log", SuchWow.
ben_vulpes: 1.8klol*
ben_vulpes: it's okay suchwaoender, i'm approximately 1.8lol behind
ben_vulpes: and the real bitcoin for the hackers
ben_vulpes: qntra for the writers
ben_vulpes: see there's eulora for the gamers
ben_vulpes: bitcoingrpg*
ben_vulpes: and giving some random noobs the opportunity to play bitcoinrpb
ben_vulpes: the difference between "fire and forget"
ben_vulpes: but the people setting pogos up is the thing
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> pogo cannot see the sun! << i hazard that pogo is not the thing
ben_vulpes: too heady for you, SuchWow?
ben_vulpes: (that itself is drifting steadily along another axis)
ben_vulpes: but it's not so much the brain as the necessity of linearization of memory for things that travel along a 3-brane
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain << hear hear
ben_vulpes: arbeith macht frei
ben_vulpes: nothing is fun
ben_vulpes: > fun
ben_vulpes: anyways with all this froofraw it'd be nice to have a mining pool that ran 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i want every token << you probably want the serialization insanity as well
ben_vulpes: 271609
ben_vulpes: SuchWow: what's litecoin?
ben_vulpes: GOOD AFTERNOON
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.solrodar.1:898d1835333b88e8a1aeafa9acb92bbad9b839fc1cf4135f8a2ea7ea45bf4c5f
ben_vulpes: !rate solrodar 1 doolb wen
ben_vulpes: (on the use of "torture" in the nyt)
ben_vulpes: decimation: but then people would have to touch it !!111twelve1
ben_vulpes: aha the one where you simply hold difficulty constant and mine a long-ass chain.
ben_vulpes: which variants are cheap?
ben_vulpes: i'm sure you've gone into this in depth, but doesn't the length of the current main chain make that ludicrously expensive?
ben_vulpes: what is a rewind attack?
ben_vulpes: you say that as though there were an option.
ben_vulpes: anyways i don't believe you nobody gets paid to write common lisp lalala i can't hear you
ben_vulpes: braindamage.
ben_vulpes: otoh
ben_vulpes: now on one hand that this thing doesn't give programmers any handles to alter test data is fine, in that it forces one to either work in a js repl or you know /actually write tests/
ben_vulpes: one can configure post-commit hooks in git, but their logic importer a) only works with github and b) only works with public repositories.
ben_vulpes: the suggested way to cram code into their orifices is by pasting it into text fields.
ben_vulpes: it is not configurable in any way.
ben_vulpes: their sandbox provides precisely one map of dummy data.
ben_vulpes: developers working with this service can alter its behavior by providing it 'node' code that it executes on login/registration events
ben_vulpes: there is a SaaS that handles users for people who for whatever reason don't want to stand up their own services and servers.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: let me tell you of the salt mines of my homeworld...
ben_vulpes: not you, gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: oh fuck you srsly
ben_vulpes: 'twas a sovietism
ben_vulpes: ¿de veras? ¿porque?
ben_vulpes: ¿y tu, comrade?
ben_vulpes: muy bien
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
ben_vulpes: balancing of rewards for being mage/barbarian/etc over time
ben_vulpes: players vs. the game. conversation in ars.
ben_vulpes: i think mircea_popescu designed something like that for eulora
ben_vulpes: * williamdunne currently has a neck that looks like Cheetah fur, lovely patterned bruising << furries, asphyxiation...
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> phf: No, not yet. On OpenBSD I'm running an 0.7.2 derivative with LibreSSL 2.0 just to see how it behaves. << how's the libressl build going?
ben_vulpes: vast quantities of braindamage.
ben_vulpes: <trinque> haha holy shit, dxr's "install" method is vagrant << see also gitlab
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: no, u
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> want a fucking WALL POSTER << codebase isn't that bad, should be doable by hand :P
ben_vulpes: and pogo is?
ben_vulpes: and they *can* bless a pogo.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you need a million tyler durdens.
ben_vulpes: myeah, i see that.
ben_vulpes: i'm sure moreso under load
ben_vulpes: well "should" is a strong word
ben_vulpes: you know i'm not even convinced a node *should* be stood up without human intervention.
ben_vulpes: anyways, how do you plan to handle this on pogos?
ben_vulpes: the thing is miserably bad anyways, why would anyone want to use it?
ben_vulpes: alas.
ben_vulpes: made good progress i see
ben_vulpes: sorry, diff adjustments.
ben_vulpes: what?
ben_vulpes: do y'all eventually get to why averaging out umpteen 2016 blocks won't work in place of timekeeping?
ben_vulpes: help i am 1200 lines behind
ben_vulpes: mk
ben_vulpes: > windows
ben_vulpes: http://people.csail.mit.edu/hofma/Assets/Thesis_12_02_2005.pdf << okay now this is cool
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: ah, my mistake
ben_vulpes: and on top of that, his error rate cracking them open is probably zero. small sample size, but...
ben_vulpes: now, as you say, interested parties could find a rate for diddled pogos.
ben_vulpes: well clearly. just making a joke.
ben_vulpes: for lulz as far as i can tell
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> so much as opening pogo and touching inside multiplies the cost of the operation. << and yet mircea_popescu had this done
ben_vulpes: my stator's at 225753, btw
ben_vulpes: <mod6> i seem to remember asciilifeform switching over to -addnode after he got stuck. but let's see what he says about it. i'll probably hit the same issue myself. << i don't think he did
ben_vulpes: i begin to understand.
ben_vulpes: leastaways without a wholesale replacement of sync mechanism plus god only knows what else eventually.
ben_vulpes: punkman: i think i see now
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem. << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189757 << and by "diddle" i mean "use", if that wasn't clear.
ben_vulpes: punkman: i don't understand the point of your gpgdiddling link
ben_vulpes: i must derp my ass down the coast now, however.
ben_vulpes: i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field:-connect means "ultimately trusted".
ben_vulpes: hyu
ben_vulpes: ascii_field:and why no ntp?
ben_vulpes: myeah i'm troubled.
ben_vulpes: wait, wedge is related to version number?
ben_vulpes: 8008135
ben_vulpes: 8007135
ben_vulpes also suspects that alf is holding this patch in abeyance
ben_vulpes: because recompiling bitcoin to set its version number is fucking retarded.
ben_vulpes: configgable patch, that is.
ben_vulpes can barf up this patch sometime this week if not beaten to punch
ben_vulpes: "does a node with version == 0 fail to sync?"
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: actually this bears testing too.
ben_vulpes: hehe turds
ben_vulpes: has nothing to do with our codebase.
ben_vulpes: it is *live on the network*
ben_vulpes: ergo we can only ratchet forward. like evolution.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: there's logic in even the RI codebase that does derpy shit if version numbers are below some critical value.
ben_vulpes: trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested.
ben_vulpes: perhaps should be configgable for stealth in production.
ben_vulpes: i'm coming around.
ben_vulpes: 3 say "fu this shit is wrong and stupid", set version to $maxint
ben_vulpes: 2 be stealthy, advertise whatever "version" is "current" with the shitgnomes
ben_vulpes: 1 be "honest" advertise some "version"
ben_vulpes: imho there are 3 things to be done
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it doesn't make a practical difference, but it pins a pointless magic variable at its "infinity" value, in the zero, one infinity mapping.
ben_vulpes: why advertise version instead of just responding to network messages?
ben_vulpes: i actually think setting version to $maxint is a pretty great idea.
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today << eeeheuhe
ben_vulpes: blee
ben_vulpes: node has been wedged for more than a lunch iirc
ben_vulpes: jesus shit. we'll have to run our own ntp cluster next.
ben_vulpes: blee. so block validation relies on some absolute coordinated time?
ben_vulpes: awut
ben_vulpes: is this a direct result of headers only mining?
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/main.cpp#L1347 << this?
ben_vulpes: "it" << specifically?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: how'd you run it down?
ben_vulpes: there's a whole sig* song and dance.
ben_vulpes: jurov: there's a bit more than that. did you read my subsequent link?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: are blocks from headers-only miners coming out with timestamps too far in the future?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character?
ben_vulpes: ^^ the wot at work. ridiculous numbers aside, we tell stories of heroic deeds performed in service of the papers we sign.
ben_vulpes: "Oh, well, I had the contract, and I had to fill it!" And that was all he said.
ben_vulpes: So it was that C. B. returned to Hazelton afoot, limping into the hotel one snowy night in midwinter, "broke to the wide", but otherwise unconcerned.
ben_vulpes: another to feed the rest, they weakend and died on the trail.
ben_vulpes: Again he started out, this time with a hundred and twenty-eight dogs, and when he came to the place where he had turned back, he was able to feed the dogs on dead horse-meat, and so get through to the cabin where to two men were waiting. But on the return trip, the going was heavy and slow and he found that the worlves had reached the cache of horse-meat and finished it up, so the dogs were short of food and though he killed one after
ben_vulpes: (almost done, ascii_field)
ben_vulpes: Those supplies had to be delivered to the men patiently waiting for them at the far end of the trail, So he cached the supplies, hoiseted as many carcases of the dead horses as possible into trees where the wolves could not get them, and went all the way back to Hazelton to get dog-teams.
ben_vulpes: <photo>
ben_vulpes: Every now and then a horse would miss its footing and go over, sometimes into the rushing river below, to be lost forever. Then it froze, and the going was hopeless. One by one the horses slipped and went down until it was impossible to go onward. C. B. shrugged his shoulders and altered his plans.
ben_vulpes: all next day and the following night without any let-up.
ben_vulpes: So C. B. at once set off north again witha pack-train of sixty-eight horses. He had no very great hope of being able to make his destination before the hard weather came on, but he traveled with all the speed possible, to get over the worst places on the trail before ths first snow fell. But as ill-luck would have it, it began to snow one night just as he came to the rock ledges where the going was bad at the best of times. It snowed
ben_vulpes: supplied -- and it was getting late in the autumn.
ben_vulpes: Story has it that he returned to Hazelton, once, after a trip up the Telegraph Trail, and there he found out that he had missed the farthest cabin of all, over two hundred miles away, and there were two men up there left without supplies for the winter. Either the Government had not made the tale of the cabins clear or C. B. himself had miscalculated. However that may have been, the plain fact remained that these two men had to be
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: fascinating! what gears are failing to mesh here?
ben_vulpes: The little Jap who, laughing up and down his sleeve goes cheerfully about his business in a gas-boat up the coast, or picks out the best small-fruit land in the country; the ubiquitous Chinaman, steadily cornering all the loose cash in the land -- of a surety these two know more of British Columbia than most white men!
ben_vulpes: The Americans come, with plenty of money, and stay at the much-advertised hotels, gulping down the Rockies in predigested doses, thenrace through in a Pullman car to the next big hotel on the coast. And how can they know anything of the province?
ben_vulpes: halls, about "great open spaces" and "the need for a population." But they know nothing of the real British Columbia.
ben_vulpes: "The English come out and travel through, knowing all about everything beforehand, as the English always do; and, having set standards, they compare the Fraser to the Thames (former too wide) and the Selkirks to the Cotswolds (former too high). They get out to spend a day or so at Lake Louise or Jasper, then get into the train again and stay there till they reach Vancouver. Then they go back to England and give vague lectures in town
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if you liked clements tall tales, you might get a kick out of Glynn-Ward's "Glamour of British Columbia"
ben_vulpes: ty
ben_vulpes: neato
ben_vulpes to mu
ben_vulpes: "pogotronic" iirc
ben_vulpes: trinque: is that info missing from asciilifeform's post to the ml?
ben_vulpes: does anyone know at a high level how nginx does the "swap binary while running" trick?
ben_vulpes: but perhaps fashionably so?
ben_vulpes is late to the party. again.
ben_vulpes: stator syncing
ben_vulpes: will
ben_vulpes: take your myip flag - is that automagically a .conf file option as well?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: do cli flags get auto-munged into bitcoin.conf flags?
ben_vulpes: stuck on a particular block, or still syncing?
ben_vulpes: aha.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's your seeder IP again?
ben_vulpes: excellent long term cost reduction strategy imho
ben_vulpes: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html << I don't know why the conservatives with all their hate for welfare programs aren't pro-free-contraception
ben_vulpes bows
ben_vulpes: punkman: shouldn't that be a function of the number of blocks since the last difficulty adjustment?
ben_vulpes: night!
ben_vulpes: <decimation> heh do a few cycles in the gentoo barrel << tomorrow mayhap. tonight, the canadians have interesting ingestibles.
ben_vulpes: where arse those?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> they are exactly the same to me. << and your own zero days?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) << generally just the girls
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (oop systems which aren't clos (or possibly smalltalk's, and generally meta-object-able) are like btc securities exchanges which aren't mpex.) << by virtue of living in the shit your whole life, you'll be able to read it.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ << someone who knows, someone wh doesn't
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it << srsly
ben_vulpes: may you stay long when it's good for you and go short when it's good for you, caz
ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism << witticism, like witty
ben_vulpes: well for as long as nobody here uses shithouse.tv nothing here can be considered actual shitposting.
ben_vulpes: hey i'm an empiricist what do you want
ben_vulpes: mhm.
ben_vulpes: testing this thing is a goddamn nightmare.
ben_vulpes: try herr popescus node or perhaps herr form's
ben_vulpes: so you're not sure if node code, machine host or seed.
ben_vulpes: whose seed?
ben_vulpes: decimation: take a look at binary-types, per asciilifeform's suggestion
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> with a yo ho ho << and a bottle of fun!
ben_vulpes: although a barebones lisp editor is tempting.
ben_vulpes: no time for reimplementing elisp or...emacs even.
ben_vulpes: look i'm just trying to make a mil or 5 over here
ben_vulpes: "poor man's lisp machine"
ben_vulpes: decimation: it's p barbaric
ben_vulpes: caz passes, no idea why.
ben_vulpes: still not a fan.
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years << met another ozzie this wknd
ben_vulpes: RIGHT
ben_vulpes: it's lisp, right?
ben_vulpes: elisp!