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(trilema) diana_coman: also asciilifeform for all you know those who actually died did NOT do the "dictionary speech" while precisely those who survived did
(trilema) diana_coman: doesn't mean they woke up by doing it
(trilema) diana_coman: I would however put forward the fact that a 2 year old is perfectly capable of shooting someone with a pistol
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect that is what asciilifeform prefers to consider
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, beat me to it, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I meant it as broken human, not broken american
(trilema) diana_coman: or rather: at *this* time it isn't acknowledge nor used accordingly
(trilema) diana_coman: the only difference that I see and I was putting on the shoulders of culture is that at that time this kind of broken was acknowledged for what it was and used accordingly
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu> also consider - someone like the young rodger is the result of careful selection over the generations. <- thing is: if ancients were aware of the type, this selection thing is not really that relevant: there probably always was, there always will be
(trilema) diana_coman: dunno if I really buy Nero being the same kind of broken; might need to brush up on it in this light at least out of curiosity
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; why the need to go back so much in time though?
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, haven't really searched this but do you mean that there are similar shootings all other the world? can't really be that this kind of broken is to be found in the us alone
(trilema) diana_coman: the way I read asciilifeform's point of bringing culture in was that it's culture responsible for the outcome of there being a broken kid; not for the fact he was broken, not for the fact he existed in the first place; simply and strictly for he's specific end
(trilema) diana_coman: he was broken to start with (or in a more charitable view one might be inclined maybe to think that some actual interaction when he was tiny etc - but that is a matter of hope rather than anything else)
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, but that was not the point
(trilema) diana_coman: you mean you think that's a biological impossibility for some reason? as otherwise it's still basically a broken culture thing at most and so what asciilifeform said, but not exactly "nothing anyone did or didn't do"
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I did NOT say to teach him anything; precisely my point: nothing to do to make him something else than he was (or rather: wasn't); what I meant by plenty to do starts with NOT pretending he is a fine child like all the rest, let's get him to college, give him a car etc
(trilema) diana_coman: done or not done there rather
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not sure I got that
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that may be, although I suspect it's not true per se: sure, nothing could have been done to make him something else than he was; plenty could have been done to allow him to die happy for instance instead of giving him that responsibility too; moreover there was plenty to be done to help everyone else basically; what asciilifeform says
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, but keeping them alive is one thing, at the end of the day I can keep whatever I want alive in a jar on my windowsill
(trilema) diana_coman: but myeah, I guess that article makes sense
(trilema) diana_coman: the last part I suspect is just that they don't meaningfully talk or actually interact with anybody simply
(trilema) diana_coman: something like that; I find it more damning though that apparently nobody around him either noticed anything of the kind or otherwise take any meaningful action on it
(trilema) diana_coman: for some reason the whole thing did trigger one old memory of a classmate in the 4th grade who shouted through tears: WHY do they all go to congratulate you for winning instead of consoling me for losing; having also observed quite a lot of small children recently, I would be inclined to think this guy was just stuck somewhere around a *very* little age and that is that
(trilema) diana_coman: well, your notes provide good places to stop and read a bit actually: kind of like signposts here, look at THIS shit - a gem of a shit in a tedious shit
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose I don't have the same amount of patience with spiders; and certainly no qualms killing them if they don't get out of the way; I read about half the first part and then really skipped through it and still felt that I lost too much of my time on it
(trilema) diana_coman: tedious is an understatement
(trilema) diana_coman: of boredom reading it?
(trilema) diana_coman: his "writing" can kill more than a bunch for sure
(trilema) diana_coman: is that elliot rodger guy still alive (well, as much as he ever was) - might be about time to get him to join eulora; it has COOL cookies
(trilema) diana_coman: decrypy sounds about right, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: though there was ofc the "the fox got them *again*" eternal story re chicken I think
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose "they" being the neighbours who also cut veal etc dunno about locking up
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently as a result of trips from the countryside with the pig carcass
(trilema) diana_coman still recalls playing a "police game" which consisted roughly in driving the car across a small figuring and shouting: got another policeman!
(trilema) diana_coman: re meat though in the countryside everybody grew their own meat iirc
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, tapioca mainly
(trilema) diana_coman used to like watching them curl in hot oil ; not eating them though
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, deedbot handed me 2 broomsticks before handing the OTP link (in the third try)
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, sounds cool
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll search the logs to find phf's pointer and have a look at it
(trilema) diana_coman: phf mircea_popescu I think that was probably before my time really
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, it doesn't have to be ubuntu you know
(trilema) diana_coman: hi mod6 how's that eulora-box thing going? :D
(trilema) diana_coman: guess I'll go and check that
(trilema) diana_coman: but actually why pairwise only? iirc you can mix up to 16 in one go using a table, no? (if it wasn't complicated enough )
(trilema) diana_coman: ha, and I was just suggesting that in eulora, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: $key DarkSonic1338
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds ok to me at this stage, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, this is without chat stuff indeed
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, kind of hard to say before having done at least some sort of concrete start on this; at this moment I'd say half more as a guess than an estimate
(trilema) diana_coman: aha; might be worth mentioning too that average can be dubious, since you'll get more likely spikes when lots of things happen where you are and otherwise some very low regular exchanges
(trilema) diana_coman: from the server to the client mainly; the other way around is much less, below 10
(trilema) diana_coman: about 50kbps
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform currently eulora messages exchanged between client and server are between 43 and 2048 bytes (really upper limit and rarely seen); this being said, the current system of messages/ exchanges between eulora client and server is quite a mess from many points of view, so it's set to be changed too
(trilema) diana_coman: what can I say: it wouldn't even be the first time I saw someone as the best version they could be rather than what they actually really were
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, in that case basically mircea_popescu has a point anyway and there isn't anywhere to go otherwise; I read it to mean what I said above (so no, not the best etc) - maybe I was just so tolerant as to miss the bullshit entirely
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, what, the dwarfs are now bad in there? (I am all open to seeing this in any other way - I did not grow up with it or something of the kind - but I can't say I see this in there at all)
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hm, as far as I recall they are not great fighters at all for one thing
(trilema) diana_coman: phf, fit for some tasks, not for all tasks, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> really, byzantine fiction (currently known as the vulgate) is much better. but i don't think much more of the people who regard the bible as "great writing" than of the tolkien fans. <- fans, lol; out of curiosity: an example as to "much better"?
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, precisely
(trilema) diana_coman: I find it actually quite interesting that it's perceived as saying "britain the isolated , small, insignifiant by now island actually matters/is mighty/hero/whatevs" when I read it quite the opposite: as long as they are happy in their own world, they don't matter/contribute nothing/and if they are not interested in the world, the world at some point will be interested in them - and with a big stick at that
(trilema) diana_coman: as to length that indeed I can agree it is a big fault of tolkien - at times he rambles because apparently he's just too much in love with the landscape basically
(trilema) diana_coman: doesn't mean they have no responsibility for the current shit in the world
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513051 - it seems to me that you are taking what I said to mean what you meant; called to do something and responsible in some way does not mean everybody is the same/has same effect or some other such nonsense; the peasant in the hut won't save the world no matter what they do, but this doesn't mean they should do nothing/whatever; similarly, the same peasant may not have "done bad" but this
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, those people have loads of things for that purpose; will move onto something else fast enough
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll add only the message that considered to be "what Tolkien had to say" (even though he did it through "not-real-life universe") namely that all and everyone (yeah, the ordinary and no, they are not made anything by gandalf quite pointedly not made anything by him) is in some way responsible /called to do something when shit hits the fan; that is all I guess
(trilema) diana_coman: hm; so far we established we agree (and apparently this wasn't in fact disputed although it seemed so) that tolkien's writing is not reflecting "real life" nor intended to really; this makes it crud in your view I gather
(trilema) diana_coman: if it's not "real life" it's not literature, but copywriting; is this it?
(trilema) diana_coman: if it is copywriting hence the point is to get paid for the length, she did better by a wide margin , no?
(trilema) diana_coman: well, she got paid a lot more for sure
(trilema) diana_coman: in these terms you would rank harry potter higher then
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, he wasn't; didn't even write it for that
(trilema) diana_coman: what is copywriting to you?
(trilema) diana_coman: maybe; guess I need to revisit bouvard&pecuchet
(trilema) diana_coman: but how does that make him crud I don't get
(trilema) diana_coman: Tolkien made his universe as a place to experiment with his language; I can fully see and agree with the point that it is "not real life" - I read him very late and therefore I knew this already, I never for a second considered it as "real life" or reflection of it or whatever; I guess that's where the whole thing comes from
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, funnily enough I did love Sadoveanu as a kid but got over it somewhere in the teens
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, what is not part? (it was pretty much all the way from Paris to Lyon at least)
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu> this activity, not just "tolkien" but generally "reading", is very much subverted in the anglotard world. have yo useen this, whole carloads of white, quiet, mousy people "reading a book" on their commute <- actually I saw this in FRANCE
(trilema) diana_coman: well, fwiw tolkien as far as I know did NOT consider himself a writer
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, "there's no errect penis in tolkien's book" - is this a correct description of the main fault you find?
(trilema) diana_coman: keep aspies away from tolkien you say? so keep them, whatevs
(trilema) diana_coman: still nothing to do with butter
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, pure and proper obesity is a thing; if one gorges on butter only without exercising/doing anything/actually cooking with it, they become morbidly something; how is that the fault of butter now though?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, absolutely; I can't compute it atm at all, not even enough to spit out something meaningful on it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't get it
(trilema) diana_coman: well, as long as it "makes" them, it's the same thing
(trilema) diana_coman: now you are basically in the camp of hysterical wives with "violence in video games makes kids murderers"
(trilema) diana_coman: other than that I don't see any link to either immersive universes or Gandalf or Tolkien or whatever else
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo, I think that teens who want to wait for someone to make them special will find something to justify it
(trilema) diana_coman: guess not since I don't see the link
(trilema) diana_coman: what divine poetry lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: exactly because they are not special
(trilema) diana_coman: what point? that hobbits were special? they are meant to be exactly not-special, that's why I suspect BingoBoingo perceives them as boring in the first place
(trilema) diana_coman: lol BingoBoingo seriously
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, what worlds where people are special BingoBoingo ? as far as I know Tolkien's point was quite the opposite of this really
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't follow where the magical artefact came from; fwiw I fully agree that a book's a mechanism, true; I still can't fully grasp where you say this particular mechanism is broken/not even one ; I'll go through the old threads again, maybe I get it
(trilema) diana_coman: so basically that's what you are asking for: translate tolkien for me so that I can see what is worth in there for in the current language I can't see it
(trilema) diana_coman: I followed your simile, what can I do
(trilema) diana_coman: maybe closer procedural vs functional
(trilema) diana_coman: I think the language here is not the key
(trilema) diana_coman: one can say python is crud, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: thing is: if you give gcc some python code, it won't be bothered to read it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, thing is that what people can or cannot be bothered to read has to do with them, not with what is written really; so it's kind of circular: he writes "crud" because I can't be bothered to read it
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, sounds more like "after reading result of grep -r "fuck" :D
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform was faster than me on tolkien; it sounds to me that mircea_popescu's objection to Tolkien is that he did not tackle the right problem(s)
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, depending on where you are looking from, nothing can be distinguished from anything else on Earth really
(trilema) diana_coman: don't know where he is on that, but harry potter is a shit from what I saw and no way to compare it to tolkien
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm with asciilifeform on this one re Tolkien
(trilema) diana_coman: then again, how far does this clear thing go in the end
(trilema) diana_coman: truth be told I did not realise it but it might be better to add to the notes probably, to make this clear
(trilema) diana_coman: I read it that that was precisely the point, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, quite interesting the 2 decades thing in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506234
(trilema) diana_coman is not much into graphics but has heard more of Inkscape than Gimp
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, as far as I know it should be able to pin the part/shape based on position+pressure and then I don't see indeed why wouldn't it be able to react to turning the pen - maybe it's a precision thing?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, quite
(trilema) diana_coman: at least this worked with linux, must add
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, I just played around a bit with it kind of tried all sorts from some basic drawing to handwriting (it was supposedly to be useful for some remote discussions kind of stuff) to mouse replacement
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm?
(trilema) diana_coman: this was however a tablet so not a display in itself
(trilema) diana_coman: it *can* be used if one needs to in the sense that yes, one can get some job done with it, but otherwise control is rather poor, have to scroll/move hand awkwardly to cover all the screen, pen is not even very comfortable to use/grip (at least not for my hand) etc
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503266 <- I *tried* to use a small wacom tablet & pen thing and it was quite atrocious really
(trilema) diana_coman: as opposed to ...floating around whatever
(trilema) diana_coman: I really had no idea of what I wanted to be or even do; maybe what you mean is that people have basically some sort of personal ethics and they stick to them come what may
(trilema) diana_coman: I only had a very clear idea of what I do NOT want really; at least when presented with the thing
(trilema) diana_coman: there, difference quite clear I'd say
(trilema) diana_coman: me: I do NOT WANT TO GET USED TO IT
(trilema) diana_coman: them: why make a fuss? you'll get used to it
(trilema) diana_coman: discussion afterwards with co-workers
(trilema) diana_coman: well, my first experience as an employee, while still studying: something goes wrong and I'm the only one to make a fuss about it
(trilema) diana_coman: in my experience chumps do not want to escape
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, I guess I'm saying the same thing as mircea_popescu there
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't think so; it's from being a chump maybe?
(trilema) diana_coman: well, maybe understand its outputs, but not the actual code surely, what heresy is this
(trilema) diana_coman: but why is anyone trying to understand it! they should just bang it into shape , not understand it ffs!!!
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahah, the advantage of mircea_popescu's favourite approach: there will always be tons of garbage to clean off since a cake eaten is at least eaten, but crappy code is rarely totally obliterated
(trilema) diana_coman: it's a bugbear/bare of mine, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: quite intentional, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, women care more because they bare the costs mainly and mostly
(trilema) diana_coman: that was not about helplessness though, but about the fact that a cake which is a cake only when you look at it from a certain angle, in a certain light, is NOT A CAKE
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, they got beaten (once), corrected punctually etc so they are just learning
(trilema) diana_coman: that thing when it *works* as in...now, this particular thing, don't change anything or it might all fall down
(trilema) diana_coman: thing is: the results were atrocious really
(trilema) diana_coman: by this model, I'd say that those poor students I failed were actually trying to apply exactly mircea_popescu 's approach!
(trilema) diana_coman: I guess the thing is that if one abandons this ideal of always true, the question that arises immediately is why then not train actual people in the first place instead of building something else to..train like people
(trilema) diana_coman: the rule-based thing is an atrocity and prolog urgh
(trilema) diana_coman: it's actually part of why I quickly became disenchanted with the whole AI school (well, all of them really): I don't get why the focus on *always right* when no living intelligence (which is supposedly the model in any case) is *always* right
(trilema) diana_coman: so that last part might be the trouble, true
(trilema) diana_coman: imo you are on to something else there; computers at the moment are tools, hence programmed like tools and this is not something one can solve at programming level (hey, let's start training computers now and they will learn!)
(trilema) diana_coman: that's how it came across at least then
(trilema) diana_coman: I never quite got what you had so much against eminovici really
(trilema) diana_coman: if that's what you mean
(trilema) diana_coman: have code editors, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't quite follow your analogy there I think
(trilema) diana_coman: leave the GUI to the team, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: sure, but they did not touch the core
(trilema) diana_coman: add to that the fact that the equivalent would be not exactly trying to maintain the work, but rather trying to maintain some layers of slime built on top of the work
(trilema) diana_coman: in same vein, a team is not able to maintain the body of work of respected past intellectual, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: rence there is that "team of individuals" is pointedly not the original author
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu> nothing actionable or useful that i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes. <- fwiw the diffe
(trilema) diana_coman: I was just stating that I actually applied my definition, it's not just some random thing I came up with now
(trilema) diana_coman: but I don't consider it a solution, no
(trilema) diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> damn i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail. <- myeah, I know; thing is also: they shouldn't have gotten that high to fail basically, not that many
(trilema) diana_coman: in my days at uni I failed students precisely because of trying that idea
(trilema) diana_coman: that might very well be
(trilema) diana_coman: not monkeys pressing levers until the light turns on or whatever
(trilema) diana_coman: in my book programmers are exactly those who write code as a rational creation
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform> other reason is that most programmers don't write code in the sense that, e.g., mircea_popescu writes essays. instead, they take a shit, and strip away elements of the shit until the compiler is happy and the 'tests' pass. <- fwiw I don't think that those are programmers
(trilema) diana_coman: I think it might even be illegal in the US if I'm not mistaking? (kid alone in the street coming/going to school)
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, it's omg almost abuse
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu> lol. "on the plus side, i have my own kitchen. on the minus side, let's go eat out." <- that's the full story of uni dorms really
(trilema) diana_coman: no door to push for the bathroom, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: no, in the room!
(trilema) diana_coman: I take the carpet away to discover that they had put it on top of all the bits and pieces of walls and whatnot they had gotten down to change the window frames
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, and on the first day after the renovation thing I get into the room by pushing on the door with all my might and then I notice that the floor is bulging all over the place
(trilema) diana_coman: so on the plus side we had our "own" bathroom, on the minus side it had no door
(trilema) diana_coman: more like stall door - we lived in a kind of 2 rooms/2 bathrooms thing (4 girls in each room)
(trilema) diana_coman: we even lived at some point without a toilet door for about 2-3 months (they were renovating the faculty dorm building and somehow the start of the uni year had taken them by surprise) but there would have been a riot if there was no net for 1 day
(trilema) diana_coman: ascii_deadfiber> (heat in the winter, water, toilets, etc. - failed. net - never.) <- same in my uni dorms for the very simple reason that the network was made and maintained by us, students living there
(trilema) diana_coman: lol, I don't think they actually had any idea what they wanted (or meant for that matter)
(trilema) diana_coman: ha, quite; didn't know it though, thanks
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I don't think I know it
(trilema) diana_coman: could do without
(trilema) diana_coman: heh; truth be told men in the south were exactly like fat, ugly spiders: round, small, hairy and basically creeping around the corners at any given time
(trilema) diana_coman: and excellent cars in the North really - or at any rate they used to make
(trilema) diana_coman: they make excellent pizza in the south...
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ever been in traffic in Naples? quite curious what you'd make of it
(trilema) diana_coman: $v 22C0C9ACD2803BFDF649765D343E0635BEF88579DB1F9029D08B33E3DE1C16AE
(trilema) diana_coman: $rate vtheimpaler 1 New to Eulora.
(trilema) diana_coman: $rate vtheimpaler_ 1 New to Eulora.
(trilema) diana_coman: $rated vtheimpaler_
(trilema) diana_coman: I meant the *content* of the old books does not become useless all of a sudden; reading it and/or extracting it and transferring it (or not) to the new medium becomes a different occupation, much akin to reading ancient Greek basically;
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform> but this is not enough, you actually need the old books. <- this was not contested really; the fact that books are dead doesn't mean that old books are all useless all of a sudden
(trilema) diana_coman: life costs quite a lot in itself and the more elaborate you make it basically, the higher the cost, of course
(trilema) diana_coman: no such assumption, no
(trilema) diana_coman: well, rats do what rats do, what else
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, question is: are they able to take over or do they get their tails burnt
(trilema) diana_coman: certainly, my point was not that cleanliness is a way of exterminating rats but rather that cleanliness is a very good indicator of whether you find rats there or not, hence whether worth bothering with some output from there or not
(trilema) diana_coman: my experience so far though has been time and time again that rats simply do not enjoy/survive areas /groups /vicinity of too many people who are clean basically
(trilema) diana_coman: I think rats will also find it increasingly hard economically to do much on the net
(trilema) diana_coman: well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess
(trilema) diana_coman: like any sane person I suppose
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, I found tons of shit on old pages too, maybe I just read too much through my grand parents' old books or something
(trilema) diana_coman: the gist of it being that rats basically do not *want* to comment on trilema for too long because they find it...very uncomfortable; so yes, they have full liberty to come and shit there and be slapped with a hammer in return, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, there was this discussion which might perhaps be interesting to you re freedom on trilema vs censorship of comments on public forums etc
(trilema) diana_coman: they dampen anything where they thrive, that's why they are rats, no?
(trilema) diana_coman: so either you imply that one should use something else because of rats or otherwise no, online is perfectly good, just kill the rats
(trilema) diana_coman: but you started from "online is not good" and then got onto " because rats"
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, not enough filters + too many idiots -> overwhelmed , certainly
(trilema) diana_coman: I mean: if I choose to write on paper because I like it or whatever I'm in love with paper, fine; but if I do it because of rats than all is lost already
(trilema) diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats
(trilema) diana_coman: in other words: the only solution to *that* is to..not feed /starve the rats
(trilema) diana_coman: well, sewer rats is basically what I was calling the "mountain of idiots" and that is a generic problem, unrelated to books or writing as such
(trilema) diana_coman: plus it's probably not really all that cheap to have your own blog as in truly nobody can bring it down etc
(trilema) diana_coman: in any case, I suppose you can argue it the other way: the current cheapness of keeping a blog is not necessarily here to stay
(trilema) diana_coman: to me this sounds more like a personal matter really, not sure I'm buying it as anything more than that
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, that links to me to some authors' observation that writing digitally destroys the quality of the writing because you can modify more easily what you write, hence they'd rather use a typewriter /write in ink as it "forces" them to think it through before writing it down
(trilema) diana_coman: dunno, maybe it all even started with the printing press then along those lines
(trilema) diana_coman: well, that's already going into the reason why books are dead, so in any case you accept then that yes, books certainly ARE dead and that was the original point of the article as I read it really
(trilema) diana_coman: plenty of "self-published" grand authors successes etc
(trilema) diana_coman: well, it's not really
(trilema) diana_coman: with mutilated copy of anything
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, so what, every derp can (and DOES) print his own books of shit
(trilema) diana_coman: then it's not your blog basically...
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, every derp can modify *your* blog?
(trilema) diana_coman: basically it's a statement of facts: books are dead people, so if you want all the good and pretty to survive, best move it already
(trilema) diana_coman: well, then it should better be/be brought ?
(trilema) diana_coman: I think I took it also very literally at that time (and myeah, I was *very* fond of books)
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, don't know; fwiw I was (I think it's still there even) arguing against the original article in Romanian along your current lines really
(trilema) diana_coman: hence content is still there, kids can still learn just as previous kids learnt
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I think the point was that *content* of books worth saving is saved through inclusion/discussion on blogs
(trilema) diana_coman: it's not that books were dead 15 years ago but that they are dead now
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, my understanding is that this will however not be the case in 10 years or less basically
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, ancient mp-ism already, could be, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, that is broadly "just as *you* never knew ancient greek, don't come and tell *me* that you still read books" - with the very clear point that the author can and might read books just as they can and might read ancient Greek, but that's not to say anything about the general public who won't read one just as they can't/won't read the other
(trilema) diana_coman: $v 4F358166B773E6D29BAAEADBEE58925B4407969DC9A83E8A6CA58EB0AEC2BA29
(trilema) diana_coman: $rate Mafroz 1 New Euloran
(trilema) diana_coman: towns plenty, way better than Bucharest too, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh <- ahahaa, in that Bucharest is the only *city* as such...
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