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asciilifeform: the 'day job' thing is more complicated than looks on the surface. a medieval serf, for instance, served for a much smaller fraction of his waking time than i or ben_vulpes do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not accidental. folks who travel from usa to english-speaking (or most western eu in general) aren't actually leaving the empire
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what would be an example of an active investment ?
asciilifeform: say what you like about library of alexandria, but usenet '85-'2000 was home to virtually all of the technically competent folks who exist today.
asciilifeform: i kinda wish i could think myself into the mindset of 'immortal olympian' that way
asciilifeform: for instance, go find peter kogge's 'symbolic computers' on warez.
asciilifeform: not idiot 'winamp playlists' of titles
asciilifeform: PeterL: browsing for me implies instant access to full text
asciilifeform: this is easy with print, difficult with www, but absolutely impossible with www that someone else is cranking for you
asciilifeform: trinque: amd is not 'angelic', it is simply behind the usg schedule because, elementary, smaller market share
asciilifeform: find a real computer
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you might actually have more luck cross-compiling on that box
asciilifeform: 'Apple does not support statically linked binaries on Mac OS X. A statically linked binary assumes binary compatibility at the kernel system call interface, and we do not make any guarantees on that front. Rather, we strive to ensure binary compatibility in each dynamically linked system library and framework.'
asciilifeform: re: bios: every portable computer i've opened in the past decade or so had the system bios stored in an eight-legged spi eeprom. one of the legs is a write-enable. in principle, not so hard to desolder & ground it.
asciilifeform: does this necessarily imply a prediction ?
asciilifeform: or anybody who ever jumped in the middle of x86 instruction
asciilifeform: complicated mechanical clocks, all quite alike, but large enough to admit some sand
asciilifeform: incidentally, my (i don't exclusively claim it..) myelin impedance matching hypothesis - is testable.
asciilifeform: very simple to have an 'off day' for strength
asciilifeform: nubbins` owns the complete r&w 'principia' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have a hidden and unjustified jump here
asciilifeform: ourts and judges to pass laws to forbid everyone around you from killing, lying, enslaving or imprisoning people, and stealing, but make it all legal for you under different names. Congratulations, you have just founded a country,also known as a state! Go to war with other states, to get rid of surplus wealth and attempt to grab more land to tax more people, when you find an opportunity that they are weaker than you. Secret
asciilifeform: b: 'Build your own, so you too can become a state. Then build a prison to house it, and start capturing people, accusing them of shit, and holding them for ransom. Print lots of worthless IOUs and start paying for stuff with them, and extorting money from your neighbors to pay you with your own IOUs every year a tax on their land, or you will imprison and guilotine them. Use your growing wealth to stockpile more and more we
asciilifeform: they could easily go there every day, and simply fail to come out
asciilifeform: suppose a man were disassembled into components, sorted by atomic mass. then, next day, reassembled. answer - a) this cannot be done for Reasons b) he died and was replaced with soul-less copy c) he simply got paused and then resumed, will wonder where the day went but nothing else d) none of the above ?
asciilifeform: or simply picture a card with btc privkey
asciilifeform then remembered that the legend featured american 'thompson' brought on lend-lease
asciilifeform: well there, certainly. but i'd argue that usg implicitly takes ownership of the wild things here
asciilifeform: (typically shaman says that no such thing as the copy could even be attempted, because the gods will drop a piano on your head.)
ascii_field: Shrugged, A New Kind of Science, and then other people chimed in with suggestions for Gray's Anatomy, The Chicago Manual of Style, and the 25-year anniversary edition of Gödel, Escher, Bach, all of them arguing that if I wanted the most important book, I would want their suggestions. I scremed, "Enough!", and space just as suddenly warped back to the bookstore and the very helpful young Muslim woman behind the counter
ascii_field: ' I went to my local bookstore the other day. I wanted to give a beautifully bound Bible to a Christian friend of mine. Suddenly, I felt space around me warp and I was in USENET space. People from comp.lang.scheme offered me a beutifully bound Torah. People from comp.lang.dylan offered me a beautifully bound Koran. People from elsewhere on the Net offered me beautifully bound copies of The Lord of the Rings, Atlas
ascii_field: in the sense that a typical artisan binder would probably react to my laser suggestion the same way my musical friends react to the suggestion of connecting my air compressor to the tuba
ascii_field: !s malice incompetence
ascii_field: lol i live in that campus.
ascii_field recalls learning with alarm as a little boy that there was ever such a thing as a reichsmark. 'couldn't hitler simply order shit done?'
ascii_field: 'you'n me will burn in this here tank, but red army triumphs' (tm) /
ascii_field: but yes, complicated (TM)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: speaking from the chumpatronic jail here, just about any schmuck can get at least 5 digits of loansharkamatic without breaking a sweat
ascii_field: jurov: normally you can tell who are the 'basic' shills by noting their assumptions (of their marks being dumb as shit) - see, e.g., mr moarspam: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014388
ascii_field: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo02.pdf << p. 3 article, 'on importance of tools' << pure gold
ascii_field as an amateur scholar of crackpottery and malignant pseudoscience, owns the complete works of mr lysenko
asciilifeform: in every modern evil empire
asciilifeform: virtually all computer users got vastly more actual 'bang for buck' in 1992 than today
asciilifeform: the folks who are supposed to be buying new computer on microshit's say-so are short a benjie or two for rent this month
asciilifeform: but the blow their fat disposable income on resulting new computer
asciilifeform: which is to say, it is not enough to con chumps, they must also have fat to be rendered for
asciilifeform: intel surrendered to chumpification of the most abject kind, sells severely underclocked dies which temporarily 'turbo' up
asciilifeform: ^ if industrial collapse carries on, it will be difficult to imagine a computer of any description being constructed in 2025 other than out of 'junkyard wars' pieces
asciilifeform: and if you're building computers in the tens or hundreds rather than quajizillions quantities there is no reason not to use germanium, gallium arsenide, doped diamond, etc. chemistries
asciilifeform: thiel (and possibly friends) seed it. the chumpatronium sustains.
asciilifeform: works great to the nearest transformer booth (where you need an active amp)
asciilifeform: his forum housed the largest collection of people who showed symptoms of having a brain which i ever encountered prior to #b-a
asciilifeform: 'phoom' is, in his cosmology, the conflagration resulting from a 'non-friendly' (read: not designed under mr y's tutelage) thinking machine which sets to work improving and crafting copies of self
asciilifeform: decimation: never mind that not one could describe the first thing about building a computer which does not barf regularly
asciilifeform: -zero- actual work on lickliderian or engelbartian 'intelligence amplification' concept from these bozos
asciilifeform: can make a computer out of near-anything
asciilifeform: computer of meat
asciilifeform: one might even say: bureaucracy was the first computer
asciilifeform: simply to be loudly found out and distract from above.
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: in the old thread, that is; it was about a hypothetical clean re-implementation of the whole thing
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: the changes being contemplated involve losing 100% of the original
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: if the usg charlatans want to create a fork with incompatible tx validation rules, they are welcome to.
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: can you give an example of a 'wedge' which could be pounded in to create this fork ?
asciilifeform: yes but why 'leveldb.' say i'd like to use a db which runs on a martian trinary computer and writes bits to miniature dead babies turned in one of two directions
ascii_field: from where this presumption ?
ascii_field: outrageous things such as lowering a general into pederasty, for example
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: slightly misunderstanding example. the ru tanks emboldened the rebels, hastening their deaths
ascii_field: why so certain that this is an impossible or even unlikely scenario ?
asciilifeform: mats: if you desperately need this, the popular hobbyist 'arm' dev board 'beaglebone' features a usb slave controller and comes with code example. wire up on the the gpio pins to a toggle switch and you have your drive.
asciilifeform: ment in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things, seems not even to be underststandable -- they somehow believe that the order they run into them is universalizable and important, that first impressions really tell you everything you need to know about something. I have seen people who have the mental capacity only for the transition from "have not experienced" to "have experienced", and who are unable to ma
asciilifeform: for compact car.
asciilifeform: implication is, sorta, turning down the poverty thermostat on somebody
asciilifeform: убеднение != impoverishment
asciilifeform: 'The authors of a new report from the Boston Foundation, a philanthropic organization that funds local nonprofits, prefer the phrase "millennial villages," dorm-like developments that maximize space by combining smaller living spaces with lots of common areas. Specifically, the report suggests building 10,000 units that make up for cramped living quarters by including shared lounges, health clubs, and shared areas for study, m
asciilifeform: '"chumpatron X debt continues to drag on the young generation, limiting their ability to be milked in chumpatron Y," the analysts said.'
asciilifeform: what's a $300 book compared to the $100k tuition.
asciilifeform: chumper has to register with publisher to do the exercises, yes
asciilifeform: the basic 'zoological' observation here is that there is no such thing as a chumpatron of this size which stays 'single-layered' indefinitely. at a certain point, smaller fleas show up to go on the backs of the fleas, and so ad infinitum
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cared because 'if you don't know precisely who at the table is the chump...'
asciilifeform: mike_c: the other half of that thread was that i had serious doubts re: whether the service offered by mf inc. was actually economically possible as described, and ergo i might be a chump
asciilifeform: mike_c: the tale with the board house was simply a case of 'wunderwaffen' that did not fire to spec
asciilifeform: mike_c: but i'm still empty-handed for C-III
asciilifeform: mats: incidentally, precise packings are not achievable without gcc pragma (or your compiler's equivalent)
asciilifeform: ma and they have taken swift and decisive action in this matter. At their request, the University has committed to provide educational training on diversity and respect for the entire fraternity. The University of Maryland remains committed to our core values of respect for human dignity, diversity, and inclusiveness. We are deeply saddened by the impact this email is having on our community.'
asciilifeform: 'On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, the University of Maryland became aware of an email dated January 2014, 15 months ago. The vulgar language in the email expresses views that are reprehensible to our campus community. We immediately met with the individual involved and a University investigation is currently underway, led by the Office of Civil Rights and Sexual Misconduct. We are in contact with the University chapter of Kappa Sig
asciilifeform: 'sympathy', 'support', esp. of the usg-sponsored very tangible/financial variety is on tap, no questions asked. imagine if insurance worked this way - how many houses would still remain standing ?
asciilifeform: or more pertinent example, the fabricated mega-gang-rapes of recent history
asciilifeform: (5 or so yrs ago, there was 'mass indignation', hastily-cooked mea culpas from virtually all organizations in any way connected with the campus, demonstrations 'of support' for 'the victims' - after a shred of rope was allegedly found hanging on a tree branch.)
asciilifeform: 'What is surprising however is that this still works even with the “Erase data after 10 attempts” configuration setting enabled. Our initial analysis indicates that the IP Box is able to bypass this restriction by connecting directly to the iPhone’s power source and aggressively cutting the power after each failed PIN attempt, but before the attempt has been synchronized to flash memory.' << mega-l0l!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like forged headers (why would the actual 'bitstamp' spam ? wtf is the point)
asciilifeform: decimation: damnably poor idea - easy 'optical tempest' intercept if anyone can see your body move
asciilifeform: decimation: the rf amp is the golden toilet
asciilifeform: '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' -- radio
asciilifeform: same as nuke emp.
asciilifeform: i do a great bit of cross-compilation.
asciilifeform likes various gentoo-specific things like automagic cross-compiler toolchain builder
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gentoo doesn't have systemd? << complicated. if you follow the install described in the Handbook, you will almost certainly end up with systemd
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps my (1980s) multimeter lies. or i'm simply retarded. or, or, or.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: somebody ought to sell these schmucks a simple protein assayer
asciilifeform: incidentally, had i done anything other than what i did - ordering sample rng first - would likely have noticed nothing.
asciilifeform: from macrofab: 'We received your boards today, we expect to have review complete and the boards working as expected tomorrow, I will keep you posted!'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually there are tremendously posh residences, complete with tall walls, here - ones which would not look entirely out of place in brunei
ascii_field: just confessing that it isn't clear to me that such a thing is impossible or even improbable
asciilifeform: imes they don't even bother trying to compile it, much less test it. I wish I was making this up; I wish more that I had made these people go away a long time ago.'
asciilifeform: 'We honestly had (and have) developers who think that changing all the line-ending whitespace was really important. Or that whether there are some "legacy" K&amp;R-style prototypes actually matters. These people go around committing non-functional changes, which makes source management (and specifically patching and merging) really painful, and which, unfortunately, also often breaks things accidentally. What's worse is that somet
asciilifeform: iirc it was short &amp; simple, something like 'yeah i'm an anarchist lawyer. you don't have to like disease to be a doctor, either'
asciilifeform: attempts - yes. but ticket wasn't punched yet.
asciilifeform: rties to contribute back most of their changes--and so what we really got in both cases was a long list of derived but very different, and often incompatible, systems.'
asciilifeform: if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the parlance of folks who actually program computers on occasion - 'blocks of code are a first-class object' is the claim. which is true for all lisp-family
asciilifeform: (no one who actually programs in any lisplike thing whatsoever, will ever write it out that way - the fingers simply won't do it)
asciilifeform: obligatory naggumism: ''It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.''
asciilifeform: ^ example
asciilifeform: (did i mention his 'human-equivalent ai' was to be written in it? this is, of course, before he pronounced fatwa on anyone contemplating such a thing)
asciilifeform: mr y had... a programming language! cooked up in his days of being a self-important kid with just a few dozen cult followers
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: impersonated... << the real one will presumably say something. ergo impostor, if impostor, is doing precisely what real one wishes.
ascii_field: trinque: see old book, 'the human zoo', for a more complete version of this hypothesis
ascii_field: so instead of actually racing, folks start to show off their strength by competing who can walk normally for the longest time with a knapsack full of crap
ascii_field: as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace (too many hills? swamp? use imagination)
ascii_field: because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something << reminds, of course, of:
ascii_field: may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa
ascii_field: mr o incidentally goes nowhere without ambulance, complete with blinkenlights
ascii_field: it is interesting to contemplate what 'cold war' would have looked like if the portable variant had never been built
asciilifeform: it's about 'imperio in imperium'
asciilifeform: 2) -and this is the important one- -- imho these need to eventually run from rom. actual rom. or at least eeprom with the write-enable leg snipped &amp; grounded.
asciilifeform: 1) initialize a new disk without having to use a computer and involving the rotten pc ecosystem in any way
asciilifeform: (my original vision for the 'pogo' experiment wasn't simply to have a cheapo linux box that runs bitcoind, but to have a box where there are only a few MB of weight -total- -- thus making audit into something like a realistic possibility)
asciilifeform: scrip >> obligatory >> 'You load sixteen tons, what do you get? / Another day older and deeper in debt / Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go / I owe my soul to the company store.'
asciilifeform: described to them simple test of board. and they promised to try..
asciilifeform: for example of a trivial case where they cannot:
asciilifeform: incidentally, one more piece of data - i traced the empty board (included with the two populated units) - there were no mask defects
asciilifeform: the software-defined-radio thing going for past few yrs, for example
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that most of what's in the electronics stores now has these 'magical' components of essentially random values
asciilifeform: i have a very impoverished (no nand yet) netbsd on mine
asciilifeform: ('buildroot' builds cross compiler in the process of building, like netbsd does. it also builds minimal userlands with known contents suitable for read-only media. this is the part that is very tricky to achieve by hand)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i spent quite a bit of time simply trying to get a vanilla linux kernel made with 'buildroot' (built for this very purpose - routers) to boot on pogo.
asciilifeform: at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap << do you have a fully-source-based cross-compilator build of debian? if not, it's worthless.
asciilifeform: meanwhile fiat world put 120megabux to organize liquishit pumped from one cistern to another 10,000 times.
asciilifeform: compulsively pulled on one, they all came out
asciilifeform: because originally the thing working at all - was impressive.
asciilifeform: it is important to understand why apparently-intelligent folks ate up the crap
asciilifeform: in all seriousness, 'associative computing : a programming paradigm for massively parallel computers' (j., potter, 1992)
asciilifeform: and if ssd, will get impedance mismatches during write if your db isn't tuned to match the cache
asciilifeform: except that if said disk is mechanical, you will get impedance mismatches
asciilifeform: 'I will ship them back, but I needed working sample units -this week-.
asciilifeform: I will have our reels of 470 Ohm resistors verified first thing in the morning. I'd like to send you a return label in the morning to send the boards back, so that we can review the work on the boards and verify and replace any parts which are not testing at their required values. Additionally, this step would help us to determine what has gone wrong in the assembly and why your components are not operating within specificati
asciilifeform: 'That is very strange indeed. All of the house parts we currently carry are supplied by Digikey and Mouser, and are name-brand parts. At this moment, we only stock and only order parts from US vendors who are authorized vendors for the components we purchase. (This is why our BoM tool will often list parts as unavailable, even if they can be found at non-US or non-authorized dealers.)
asciilifeform also chumped, out of 75 bux. did not really expect the thing to work
asciilifeform: some of the german machines from the '80s, when computer sucked, did this
asciilifeform: now going empty.
asciilifeform: about to manually probe the components under microscope
asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation. gave those idiots the simplest circuit in the world, as test
asciilifeform: it is very easy to find manufacturing service. but mostly impossible to find one that does onesies economically
asciilifeform: ( for folks who missed wtf thread was about - http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have nothing with which to compare the price. nobody else on the planet does qty.1 smt assembly+board with no tooling charge
asciilifeform: one of the bags contains an empty board (souvenir?) - order consisted of two assembled standard rng
asciilifeform: even a free sample board in there.
asciilifeform: phr33 s4mpl3
asciilifeform: just example.
asciilifeform: to the extent something takes place on a known muppet theatre stage, it is not even all that important to go into the supposed 'motivations' of the muppets, when you can plainly see the arms growing out of their arses
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Well... truth is a lot more complicated than that - in many places, in most places really national sovereignity is implemented as "being incredibly stupid in our own special way", which is of course neither "their own" in any sense nor to any degree special. This has to be broken down...' << aha colonization.
asciilifeform: mats or anybody else: if you have the disk diddler sample, post it
asciilifeform: (compare 'physical settlement' in btc to gold, etc)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc
asciilifeform: 'make' simply doesn't react well to being called from 'make'.
asciilifeform was simply too lazy to write a proper 'makefile'
asciilifeform: more or less bug-for-bug compatibility with classical norse
ascii_field: chip is out of print, and next version is quite deliberately incompatible.
ascii_field: just bringing up well-known example of this kind of process
ascii_field: e-ink sucks even compared to teletype
ascii_field: in this discussion i'm making the assumption that you intend to actually work with the machine - rather than, say, using for pgp
ascii_field: the money printer is something like a black hole of 'moral hazard', it has this effect where it is more or less impossible to behave like anything other than a scammer when sufficiently near the event horizon
ascii_field: 'sequencing fraud' << i suppose this is when i attempt to explain 'fiat banks create small-time sp4mz0r fraud' thing
asciilifeform: or rather, not (bank doesn't have much to do with an empty bag)
asciilifeform: (ianal but iirc my state actually imposes penalties on anyone, incl. landlord, who interferes with the display of a standard american flag)
asciilifeform: as in, the compartment where he hides from wife
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's ordinary chumpatronics, where someone at least showed a bit of effort, and there's utter rubbish that falls apart after thinking about it for ten seconds if you've half a clue
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have no idea who the chumpatronicists in question are, or what they charge, but the drawings show that none of it has any relation to physical reality
asciilifeform: complete with massive circa-1920s boilers that didn't work
asciilifeform was not involved in broadcast chumpatronics in any way, even remotely, but ended up having paycheques issued by one such thing by sheer accident
asciilifeform: cuts the fibers individually (they are designed to contain blunt impact, just as silk - the first ballistic vest material - did)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept
asciilifeform: one could literally pierce a tank with a compressed turd
asciilifeform: incidentally, to continue an earlier thread with mircea_popescu et al re: 'jungle bullet' - has anyone ever attempted to militarize the old familiar 'hydrogen cannon' ?
asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't like one could cut through a phalanx of usg stormtroopers and stay legally in the clear simply because the machine is not banned per se
ascii_field: the only thing statal (vs tribal) law ever was, is a '3 ring binder' affair to simplify peasant-herding
ascii_field: 'subspace' >> 'Unfortunately, downloading all messages scales very poorly. In Subspace, we use a filtering technique that allows us to mix our messages with a user-defined subset of the total message space, reducing your bandwidth consumption while preserving your privacy.' >> shitgnomism
asciilifeform: '...we should start with cleaner hardware, then write a cleaner replacement for the JVM (same cross-platform capabilities!?, same performance optimisations!?), as well as all its libraries... we'd be busy at least for another decade and required backing from several large companies.'
asciilifeform: but i seem to be the only one who (publicly) realized that it is the very thing for building dataflow comp.
asciilifeform: my concern because life is short and i want to compute with c-gates.
asciilifeform: not necessarily impossible - but who's to say when.
asciilifeform: compiler-infection is as old as time.
asciilifeform: artificially clamping your memory -> stupider
asciilifeform: i've seen it trotted out as an argument that it is impossible to program in common lisp
asciilifeform: or simply to the fact that straight line of alphabet yes, can unambiguously describe everything. but it takes titanic space for a large class of concepts
asciilifeform: let's suppose they weren't implicit.
asciilifeform: there is a reason why newton and leibniz both came up with new symbols for this example
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simple mapping to the word brutally linearizes the expression
asciilifeform: good abstractions are not only orthogonal and well-chosen, but -compact-
asciilifeform: adlai: if you're curious, i quit the emulator when i realized that even the text output absolutely trivial on a dataflow machine cannot be rendered in real time on a von neumann box (simply attach dependency graph to each rectangle of video buffer ram)
asciilifeform: yet another example of an item for which you absolutely need a moving picture
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't << why not goose quill pen, then
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for me in particular? or asking why difficult to implement correctly
asciilifeform: why this death is notable? did they go down 'in style', taking $maxint of chumpmoney into neverneverland with them ?
asciilifeform: and that no one would stampede over it
ascii_field: because x per se doesn't impose the retardation
ascii_field: i'd argue that these folks -simply don't get to- design cpu any more.
ascii_field: most of all the fact of claiming credit (implicitly) for decades of the work of other, genuinely original folks.
ascii_field: marketing materials promise elaborate, 'smart' cpu crud (branch prediction even more complicated than on extant x86, code that executes even less deterministically, etc.)
ascii_field: dignork: what normally happens in a case like this is - that the hole is sewn shut, but not completely shut - rather like 'infibulated' gurl partz in the middle east
ascii_field: summary for the impatient - arbitrary bit-flips induced from ring3 code on x86
asciilifeform: (these folks are generally preoccupied with the authenticity of the engine, unlike, e.g., the famous cuban mechanics, because that's actually the part they imprinted on as children)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: implementing a programming language of one kind or another is, afaik, still sop as homework
asciilifeform: the kind of lisp undergrads tend to implement
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you're unfamiliar with it - autolisp is a 1970s style lisp (complete with unsolved 'funarg problem' !) similar to emacs elisp
asciilifeform: but my impression is that he's the 'boy stuffing his finger in the flood dike' as in the fairy tale
asciilifeform: bringing it back to the 'tsync' thread, there are two separate questions that the evil dwarves would have us believe are simply one - the technical merit or lack thereof of the 'tsync' mechanism
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: short summary: patch submitted by google chrome devs themselves; supposedly to simplify their sandbox 'jail' mechanism
asciilifeform: 'what do you mean i shouldn't butcher my chumps'
asciilifeform: see the 'tape sorts' featured in the knuth aop centerfolds, for example
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << 'CloudFront attempted to establish a connection with the origin, but either the attempt failed or the origin closed the connection. ' >> ??!?!
asciilifeform: apparently incredibly loved in the harems << amplified the lulz from remembering that the first (and until moving to usa, only) gum i ever chewed on was turkish
asciilifeform: nubbins`: and the vendor is an known, egregious, and unrepentant liar, intent on giving an impression of 'open' for some strange reason
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they are contractually obligated to never fully deblob it on account of mpeg 'license' crapolade
asciilifeform wonders what the rate would have to be to cut off the chump flow
asciilifeform: in, for example, the fact that the 'blob' does not merely initialize the hardware, but actually runs at all times on its own coprocessor
asciilifeform: regarding your intentions to compute rsa funktion
asciilifeform: poor fella arrived just as i was thinking of attempting essay re: specificity-of-diddling
asciilifeform: as it used a miniature rocket (approx. the size of .5 round...) which was fin-stabilized and rotated, it needed only a very simple firing mechanism and low-pressure barrel
asciilifeform: iirc there are 100+ year old examples which still function as rated!
asciilifeform: implies that you can dig up economically
asciilifeform: implies the price going from reasonable to $maxint overnight, or the like
asciilifeform: cazalla: it is worth your while to become acquainted with the actual theory (vs the popular disinfo presentation of it) - rather than 'running out of oil', considerably more complicated (approximately, running out of -economical- oil)
asciilifeform: ^ small 'nas' computer available in usa for < 20 usd; reasonably-well-understood leaked chip docs; reasonable performance
asciilifeform: to make long story short (i am quite uncertain that making it longer will improve the understanding of anyone who does not already grasp the above) -
asciilifeform: though if he can get a real-time covert channel into my unit, he can perhaps accomplish something with a simple 'hidden debug' trick
asciilifeform: if 'secure' but not user-verifiable, the only people against whom it attempts security is: you. the owner.
asciilifeform: i might exaggerate slightly, but at any rate it won't be accomplished by a fella with a day job.
asciilifeform: iirc we spoke re: the sewer pumps here at least once
asciilifeform: you're still thinking in terms of temporary disruptions in 'business as usual'
asciilifeform: trinque: try to remember the substantial differences between the two empires
asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sometimes discussed in historical chumpatronics literature, re: schemes to 'invest in xxxx, and once it tanks, we'll buy it up for firewood we promise'

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