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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i drove the hog to the forest & turned it loose there. found it interesting how the beast had to be shaken out of the trap, wouldn't simply leave on its own
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They tend to do that. Amazing though on the other side how over time it takes increasing enticements to get them trapped in the first place.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform :]
mod6: let me know how it goes. my full-sync test with the static bin is up to height=273236 currently.
mod6: i'll check back in tomorrow.
asciilifeform: i confess that i can't bring myself to run the thing that eats infinite memory, any more
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mod6: i understand. i think the first objective will be to resolve that issue once we get the milestone "release" bundled up.
mod6: then that'll be another version bump & release in itself.
mod6: ok, im off for a bit. night #b-a!
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assbot: malvina reynolds - little boxes - YouTube ... ( )
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danielpbarron: height=253958 vs height=200309 (usb3: height=234842)
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mod6: up to height=288287 (static build)
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PeterL: does therealbitcoin list have an rss feed?
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jurov: no
jurov: just register as recipient?
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davout: this kind of stuff will probably happen more and more
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jurov: ^ heh these utorrent forums. "account suspended"
nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders
nubbins`: FWIW canada customs have consistently provided me with the least-pleasant border crossing experiences of any agency
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chetty: only safe place is inside your head, for now
chetty: although I have crossed boarders in last year a few times with no problems, I am always ready
PeterL: you made renters angry?
chetty: and I can't type either :/
danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies?
PeterL: why would people with children be different?
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thestringpuller: dead as fuck in here today
PeterL: no kidding
PeterL: deader, unless you are a necrophile
thestringpuller: Everyone has meatspace things to do!
asciilifeform: re: border searches - interestingly, if your cargo doesn't look like consumer electronics, the inspectors tend to ignore it (granted that it doesn't pattern-match 't3rr0r1s7!!!111')
PeterL: example?
asciilifeform: PeterL: when i went to mircea_popescu's conference-2, had an attache of rng samples, which nobody at any of the borders was interested in so much as opening much less demanding to know how to plug them in
asciilifeform: i found this odd enough to still wonder why
mike_c: they didn't want to make you suspicious so you wouldn't see the people following you.
asciilifeform: might have to do with 'lottery' system for inspections
PeterL: if you had one in your pocket instead of in case, would they have been interested by it?
asciilifeform: generally you have to 'win' the 'lottery' to get the full-bore arse search
danielpbarron: PeterL, something's not right with the beginning of the MiniGame paragraph
PeterL: BingoBoingo: the link for is not closed, could you fix?
PeterL: just needs a >S.MG</a> in there
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trinque: asciilifeform: average border guard probably says 1) is he brown? 2) did any of our HYPER ADVANCED detectors smell bomb? 3) is he flagged for harassment 4) does he look afraid
trinque: I have a family member that's tagged for harassment at the border for political involvement in the 70s
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: << the spamatronic 'cpu broker' used in the crapware described in recent qntra piece
assbot: Epic Scale ... ( )
asciilifeform: worth a mention somewhere?
asciilifeform: this one has a 'charity' flavour
asciilifeform: 'join our botnet voluntarily, save orphans!'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Possibly. Mentioned by name in the linked TorrentFreak piece.
asciilifeform: but the sheer lameness, worth a discussion
asciilifeform: evidently they ran short of chumps dumb enough to install the thing voluntarily
asciilifeform: and had to try something new
BingoBoingo: There's been a number of these things. This was actually one of the business's "CoinLab" explored
BingoBoingo: The proposed a guarenteed payment pool for GPU miners where once ASICs arrived the GPUs would be aimed at other computing tasks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this type of chumpatron has a name, though i'm blanking on what it was
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sometimes discussed in historical chumpatronics literature, re: schemes to 'invest in xxxx, and once it tanks, we'll buy it up for firewood we promise'
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mats: AAPL joins DJI
mats: replacing AT&T
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assbot: ATF Trying to Ban AR-15 Ammo Under Guise of "Law Enforcement Safety" - Katie Pavlich ... ( )
PeterL: maybe asciilifeform 's desire to make bullet in jungle conditions is more urgent than we thought?
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 17:54:22; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
PeterL: Apparently the government has started changing the rules, then asking for public comment (which they then ignore)
asciilifeform: PeterL: small nuance here, also. the 'jungle shells' don't have to actually be made to work, in a sense. think about how the 'gavin fork' thing, which died - or at least went into hibernation - merely from knowing that response is ready
asciilifeform: sorta like the logic of nuke war
chetty: they even ignore the courts, why bother with the silly 'public'
trinque: I don't see how national-scale weapons control could be implemented in the US
trinque: they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon
asciilifeform: trinque: it mostly was in '68
chetty: walk softly and carry a big stick won't ever change, at least not the big stick part :)
trinque: asciilifeform: I think people who never leave cities tend to forget how much weaponry is just outside
trinque: and people who actually know how to use them
asciilifeform: the 'hordes' are dealt with in the same way as anarchists 100 years ago - moles, stoolies, provocateurs, and, if these fail, massed attack with costly 20th c. armour/aviation
asciilifeform: (today's substitute for the maxim gun of the pinkertons, you could say)
asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq
asciilifeform: it doesn't. ergo, there isn't.
danielpbarron: perhaps it'll be like with legal weed -- permitted to do bitcoin, or permitted to own a gun. choose one.
asciilifeform: wai wat
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't think things have gotten bad enough yet for them, the rednecks
chetty: yeah, need the bubba effect to kick in
trinque: I could see someone clever turning them into a far-right movement of some kind
trinque: invoke the "end times", etc
asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc.
chetty: right? left? too the moon might as well be. right and left don't make sense anymore
asciilifeform: washington doesn't need to 'waco' them - just to stop sending the trucks (command economy, recall?)
asciilifeform: what's more, the would-be mutineers mostly know this.
trinque: asciilifeform: how collapsed are we considering?
asciilifeform: when they go to the forest and blast away at bull's eyes, it's really a psychological release
trinque: enough for pieces of the military to break off and start fighting for texas?
asciilifeform: trinque: usa is what anthropologists call a 'palace economy'
asciilifeform: what are the folks 'fighting for texas' eating?
trinque: mexicans?
trinque: lol, just kidding
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bitstein: asciilifeform: bbq of course,
assbot: Franklin Barbecue ... ( )
trinque: bitstein: austin resident?
asciilifeform: is this roughly analogous to marie antoinette's cake ?
bitstein: trinque: yep
trinque: bitstein: nice! I lived there for years, grew up in houston
danielpbarron: I once visited a false church community in waco, tx (no relation to that other thing) and they seemed capable of sustaining themselves independent of any supply lines. But maybe all the ground tilling was just for show -- I didn't stay there year-round; just for a week for their "harvest festival"
trinque: danielpbarron: my parents have a farm that produces far in surplus of what they need
trinque: the problem being the neighbors of course, in such a situation
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 100% closed cycle? no one taking modern pharma products of any kind? no electrical devices ? lit with candles, made of animal fat ? etc
danielpbarron: a lot of them had iPhones
PeterL: danielpbarron: I imagine they have to import metal to make their farm implements, or are they doing mining and refining too?
danielpbarron: and come to think of it, a lot of their industry was exporting to outsiders. things like "hand made whatever"
trinque: PeterL: you don't need infinite amounts of tools, once you have them
trinque: and enough spare parts
PeterL: but tools do not last forever
trinque: this idea that people cannot possibly survive without vast supply chains is pretty new...
danielpbarron: i still have those gloves and hat. not gonna say it isn't high quality.
trinque: I mean if we're headed back to the stone age, might as well eat a bullet in that situation
trinque: asciilifeform: were all (former) Soviets growing their own food?
trinque: I'd expect they were living off the state's teat mostly
trinque: but could be way off
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2013 17:41:46; asciilifeform: "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'
trinque: of course, yet what, 5% population decline, maybe 10?
asciilifeform: trinque: accurate data is hard to come by, but at one point something like 80% of the calories consumed came from amateur gardens
trinque: asciilifeform: I would want to know whether that was mostly a reaction after collapse, or something which people had in advance
asciilifeform: trinque: try to remember the substantial differences between the two empires
trinque: actually "in advance" would make sense if there were ongoing shortages
asciilifeform: no one in ussr could be evicted from their income suddenly zeroing;
asciilifeform: major cities did not have populations of orcs ready to riot and burn;
asciilifeform: the heat - mostly stayed on; etc
trinque: that sounds like surviving 3 weeks in the woods at most though
trinque: pick a spot far enough that no one hungry is going to wander there on foot
trinque: let the cities burn themselves out
asciilifeform: and live there for the rest of your life ?
asciilifeform: you're still thinking in terms of temporary disruptions in 'business as usual'
PeterL: wait out collapse, then return to scrounge resources from ruins?
asciilifeform: even in a very optimistic scenario like ussr, the disappearance of 'business as usual' could last for decades.
asciilifeform: PeterL: only in hollywood films do burned out husks of cities contain anything you would like to pick up - vs. corpses and unexploded ordnance
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't mean that I'd return to the city 3wks later
PeterL: I was just trying to finish trinque's idea of hiding in the woods for 3 weeks
danielpbarron: is it foolish to assume that I can bribe my way out of catastrophe?
PeterL: danielpbarron: yes
trinque: I mean the cities wont be a risk to the rural areas after some period of starvation
asciilifeform: somehow everybody (at least every adult male) thinks that he's the clever bugger who will notice the things everyone else has overlooked, survive catastrophes that put the rest of the area to bed for good, etc.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before-
asciilifeform: when the planes are still flying
trinque: asciilifeform: well you at least fight back as the knife's plunged in
danielpbarron: i don't think i'll be rich enough to bribe my way out until -after- it begins
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm specifically addressing the fantasies of 'survive' rather than 'die with honour' (there'll be death of every kind available to all-comers, then)
trinque: danielpbarron: someone will just beat the private keys out of you
trinque: asciilifeform: ah, I agree that I'm probably dead
trinque: this is more a question of what to do until then
trinque: no worse than the situation was before though, right?
trinque: I'm as good as dead no matter what I'm doing, given a long enough timeline
trinque: but, one will still try to increase his chances even as lowered into the oil
danielpbarron: i'm probably in the *worst* place to be when this stuff goes down, although asciilifeform's locale doesn't sound very pleasant either
PeterL: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before- << surviving is dependent on having useful skills and wot connections to others with skills, the time to gain these is also strictly -before-
asciilifeform: iirc we spoke re: the sewer pumps here at least once
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:19:50; asciilifeform: speaking of sewage, i recently had occasion to learn the details behind herr orlov's assertion that usa minus mains current will drown in own shit
asciilifeform: ^ thread
cazalla: danielpbarron, <<< i've managed to watch maybe 2-3 movies from start to end since son was born.. maybe the guy's kids are older but that just seems to take even more free time away
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 16:54:35; danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies?
cazalla: the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating
trinque: asciilifeform: I'd think there's enough talent right here to escape a gravity well
asciilifeform: trinque: escape from gravity well is the most personal matter imaginable
asciilifeform: trinque: something each of us must solve entirely on his own
trinque: that seems foolish, though sure, I'm making my own moves aside from derping here
trinque: a big, profitable company would hurt how?
asciilifeform: trinque: there's a reason i used rocketry as the analogy
asciilifeform: getting just one person (not even talking about family, friends, pets, possessions, etc) permanently out of not only usa but the nato financial octopus - is probably more expensive than launching it into orbit
asciilifeform: if you -actually- tally up the costs, realistically
asciilifeform: and i am specifically not speaking of mircea_popescu's favourite 'rescue animals', young gurlz
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: speaking of everything -else-
asciilifeform: other lifeforms that don't have a zoo ready to house them gratis
jurov: what is "nato financial octopus"?
asciilifeform: jurov: the loose set of all banks that play ball with usg, all locales where there isn't an icbm battery between you and usg, etc
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol
asciilifeform: trinque: the hypothetical 'mutual assistance' org you suggest would roughly resolve to a 'society for let's we all get filthy rich, and not warren-buffet-usg-rich either, but mircea_popescu-rich'
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I missed that window
asciilifeform: which is generally not how it works.
trinque: well not mutual assistance and not an org
asciilifeform: anyone who offers to 'help you get rich' in specifically these terms is either a imbecile or sc4mz0r
trinque: for example if there was a tiny rasp-pi sized lisp machine, I think that'd be sellable
trinque: I don't want help; I have my own businesses
trinque: point being that no matter what's going on in the world at large, there are products to sell
asciilifeform: trinque: a pocket-sized fission power plant would also be 'sellable'
trinque: asciilifeform: your cardano, perfect example
trinque: asciilifeform: sure but that's hyperbolic compared to "I can attach this to a printer, card scanner, whatever, and it does what it is told"
asciilifeform: trinque: if you don't understand that this costs ~$trillion and requires a sovereign country in your pocket, you have not thought the matter through.
asciilifeform: i might exaggerate slightly, but at any rate it won't be accomplished by a fella with a day job.
trinque: asciilifeform: sure; yet I think people forget millions can be made owning a chain of car washes
trinque: geniuses especially
asciilifeform: trinque: 'millions can be made' doing nothing but snorting coke
asciilifeform: if you're a u.s. blue-blood
trinque: ehhh, you can still start businesses in the US
trinque: you just have to be willing to starve
trinque: and/or to lower yourself a bit
trinque: plenty of retards out there owning strip clubs, parking garages, snow plow companies
trinque: and also in particular, astoundingly shitty software companies that can be bested without much effort
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trinque: along those lines I am really starting to consider moving back to TX
trinque: no state income tax, cheap-as-hell rent
trinque: *booming* economy
asciilifeform: trinque: i'll be the last to disagree that it's still possible, today, to squeeze out a 'living' doing something in usa. question is how long it will remain true, for one's particular profession, for particular locale (do you like drilling for oil?), etc
asciilifeform: trinque: also understand that even if you get 'usa-rich' it does not automatically translate to freeworld-rich.
asciilifeform: (see the numerous old 'exit tax' threads here and elsewhere)
assbot: A sjsqd walks into a pub... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like PeterL's suggestion
mircea_popescu: it's not bad.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: though i still insist that 'red' cryptomaterial should not touch the networked box
asciilifeform: that is, the extant wallet&node combo kitchen-toilet is pure lunacy
mircea_popescu: ideally you want exactly what ben_vulpes was proposing : a node server with a wallet client
asciilifeform: every node is already a 'wallet client'
mircea_popescu: but even admitting this were done correctly, the problem still remains of what txn the client should order broadcast.
asciilifeform: (in that it can swallow a tx if fed)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda how sane people use this : wallet on a system behind a node system in a nat.
mircea_popescu: !up sjsqd
sjsqd: hi
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sjsqd: was trying to sign up for your site but it forwards to a blank page
mircea_popescu: what exactly did you do ?
sjsqd: otherwise still also trying to read through 6 months of IRC logs haha
sjsqd: put in my email and 10,000 credits and pressed submit
mircea_popescu: hm. that's odd, it shouldn't do that.
assbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: do you have redirects disabled maybe ?
mircea_popescu: also, make sure you typed the email address correctly.
assbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
assbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
sjsqd: email address is correct
sjsqd: and I don't think I have redirects disabled
sjsqd: I tried a few different options on my computer but got the same result
mircea_popescu: ahahaha you found a bug
mircea_popescu: if you fill in with something other than 10k or with nothing at all it works.
mircea_popescu: if however you explicitly specify the default...
sjsqd: haha
sjsqd: I'm pretty sure I tried another figure but yes you're correct it works now
mircea_popescu: sjsqd also, get in the wot.
sjsqd: yes I will I briefly read about it earlier
sjsqd: I've just had quite a few things on at the moment, otherwise I would be a bit more active
sjsqd: but I do find this channel and the websites/sources surrounding it interesting
mircea_popescu: !up airgapped
airgapped: mircea_popescu: thanks
assbot: Building Bitcoin node on Raspberry Pi 2 | Airgapped ... ( )
airgapped: ^ including for reference, may be usefull for someone
mircea_popescu: i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpoise, but it's in teh logs.
trinque: paging asciilifeform
airgapped: this one is new, more RAM, so far rock solid
mircea_popescu: how much ram does it have now ? 4g ?
danielpbarron: looks like it's just more expensive
trinque: mystery binary blob drivers are required to run the thing
danielpbarron: the pogo is < 20 USD
airgapped: working on pogo as we speak
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron more a case of "there's all these people who got pis because excitement, now have nothing to use them for", i thought,
mircea_popescu: so in that sense, it costs zero.
airgapped: yes, the blob is there
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's what it was.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.03400002 = 1.564 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: airgapped, you might be intrested in this ->
airgapped: so for me this is also temp solution
mircea_popescu: the pi is currently being worked on as a first example of a fully fits in head machine.
mircea_popescu: sorry i mean the pogo not the pi
airgapped: thanks will look at it
danielpbarron: still a work in progress, see also the root directory of that file
airgapped: also on my desk VoCore
airgapped: next in line
mircea_popescu: airgapped you should prolly get in the wot while at it.
airgapped: danielpbarron: nice, mised it in the logs
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo enjoy :) i didn't end up drinking last night so no issues there
gribble: The operation succeeded.
airgapped: I'm in the wot
danielpbarron: airgapped, the WoT forked
mircea_popescu: !gettrust airgapped
assbot: airgapped is not registered in WoT.
airgapped: OK, so I need some help
mircea_popescu: <airgapped> I'm in the wot < since when ?
airgapped: registered few days ago
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( )
danielpbarron: he did it the gribble way
mircea_popescu: if you were in gribble pre 2015, you were imported. otherwise, gotta reg your key with assbot.
airgapped: have registered it with gribble
airgapped: should do the same with assbot?
mircea_popescu: so then it's halfa minute. yeah, see the link for commands.
airgapped: thanks, will do
assbot: Signing a shoe is the same as signing the papers. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
airgapped: !register 178BF6EEA4C3A737F70878AC5E40172FEBBA0713
assbot: Searching for key with fingerprint: 178BF6EEA4C3A737F70878AC5E40172FEBBA0713. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key EBBA0713 / "airgapped <>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.03753703 = 1.0135 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: airgapped i'm guessing is you ?
assbot: Airgapped (@airgapped) | Twitter ... ( )
airgapped: pete_dushenski: yes
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.airgapped.1:b3f7991004a4bbbbd349279c39bb1e5431f940bcc8e103b36d37d3d83b3ae7f6
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: Working on the pogo thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7008 @ 0.00039911 = 2.797 BTC [-]
airgapped: danielpbarron: thanks
pete_dushenski: airgapped cool.
pete_dushenski: airgapped so what's your background ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00040988 = 7.0089 BTC [+] {4}
airgapped: embedded, crypto
pete_dushenski: crypto i get, but what's 'embedded' ?
airgapped: embedded microcontrolers
airgapped: ARM based mostly
mircea_popescu: !rate airgapped 1 New blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
pete_dushenski: ah neat.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.airgapped.1:9fdc995fb92b89f46ae90459ad60e2b6c87f4627292744d93d9e0c7c8f3f0be7
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: New blood
assbot: F.DERP Janyary - February 2015 Combined Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: heh, i kind of like that better. "janyary"
pete_dushenski: airgapped so are you working in the field currently ? or is this more of a hobby of yours ?
jurov: <mircea_popescu> i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpois << alf proclaimed it as depending on binary turd (that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable), thus unworthy
jurov: oh and mircea_popescu withdrawals pls
airgapped: pete_dushenski: working, I specialize in "secure" microcontrolers
pete_dushenski: is there such a thing as 'secure' arm ?
pete_dushenski: i'm under the impression, though hardly an expert, that there isn't.
assbot: 14 Bidders 34 Bids In Latest USMS Bitcoin Auction | ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00041098 = 3.5755 BTC [+]
mike_c: you just haven't heard the name. it's the winklevii etf.
pete_dushenski: o that's right.
pete_dushenski: lol kinda even funnier now
mike_c: yeah :)
pete_dushenski: i thought it was some white-list or something
pete_dushenski: or other 2.0 thing
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:30:18; mircea_popescu: and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it.
thestringpuller: its a canadian eh?
pete_dushenski: lol hey man.
pete_dushenski: << this is no surprise, people watch tv, eat at mcd's, etc.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 16:31:33; nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders
pete_dushenski: 'people'
jurov: well... if i wasn't on this chan, i'd easily ended up carrying any to/from canada
jurov: wiping both my ntb and phone would appear completely insane to me
kakobrekla: if you werent on this chan you could actually carry it as well hehe
jurov: wut?
pete_dushenski: are you calling him a fat desk-jockey ?
kakobrekla: well, now you are flagged suspekterorista
danielpbarron: what is to wipe on a phone that they don't already have? It's not like my keys are on the thing
pete_dushenski: pictures of yourself ripping bongs ?
danielpbarron: is that incriminating? could be anything in that bong!
danielpbarron: also, they already have those pictures, presumably
pete_dushenski: i'm pretty sure traveling is incriminating
jurov: but really, do they routinely rummage through photos and documents? and when i have virtualbox on desktop, will they ask me to fire all the vms, too?
pete_dushenski: 'you're going to join isis! i know it!'
pete_dushenski: jurov nah, it's just people getting fussed about the theatre
pete_dushenski: it's obvious that airport security is about as meaningfully useful as curtains on a submarine
danielpbarron: what if i'm caught traveling with my private key ascii armored and printed on a sheet of paper? do they even know well enough to ask for a passphrase?
kakobrekla: at this stage they wont check vms as they are pretending to check if device is real device or real bomb only.
jurov: inb4 virtualized bombs
kakobrekla: its anal rape half way only
kakobrekla: !s enemy half
assbot: 5 results for 'enemy half' :
kakobrekla: its there
danielpbarron: not that it matters, but telling a passphrase should surely be considered "testifying against yourself"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00039911 = 2.3348 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00039765 = 3.6186 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: "secure" microcontrolers << ugh
pete_dushenski: my impression as well, if based on your impression ;)
asciilifeform: no srsly, not much special expertise needed to see why this is an Intrinsically Bad Idea (TM)
asciilifeform: if 'secure' but not user-verifiable, the only people against whom it attempts security is: you. the owner.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8893 @ 0.00038911 = 3.4604 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: and are arm inherently not user verifiable ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ic is inherently nonverifiable
asciilifeform: if you own electron microscope and have a couple of years free, and wish to do nothing else - then yes, possibly verifiable.
asciilifeform: doesn't matter if 'arm' or whatever.
asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0003873 = 3.6019 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: decimation: a diddled die of 100 gates in a tiled matrix will do what, exactly ?
asciilifeform: for the benefit of n00bs, i will briefly elaborate
asciilifeform: say the enemy is baking custom silicon -just to slip into my supply lines-
asciilifeform: say he can design anything, within reason, just in time
kakobrekla: !up airgapped
asciilifeform: his options depend on what i (think i am) buying
asciilifeform: if i'm buying a general-purpose cpu, and he does not have a precise bitwise knowledge of what i intend to run on it, his options are rather limited
airgapped: kakobrekla: thanks
asciilifeform: though if he can get a real-time covert channel into my unit, he can perhaps accomplish something with a simple 'hidden debug' trick
asciilifeform: if i'm buying 'fpga', and he doesn't have the exact bitstream, he's more or less shit out of luck
asciilifeform: but let's reverse course and suppose that i'm buying a very specific crypto asic
asciilifeform: that, say, cranks 8192-bit rsa.
asciilifeform: and nothing else.
asciilifeform: or, better yet, generates keys for such.
asciilifeform: then the question of what changes he ought to slip into the masks at the fab becomes absolutely trivial
asciilifeform: as in, undergrad-level problem.
asciilifeform: because he is no longer firing at a 'moving target' but a bull's eye, so to speak.
asciilifeform: to make long story short (i am quite uncertain that making it longer will improve the understanding of anyone who does not already grasp the above) -
asciilifeform: if you're buying dedicated 'crypto' silicon, on your own free will - you are a moron;
pete_dushenski: so the more specific the task of the chip, as is moreso the case with arm then general-purpose cpu, the easier it is to attack
asciilifeform: if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer.
asciilifeform: if you are neither of these things, it is still useful to know who is one of these two things.
airgapped: asciilifeform: fully agree secure micro does not exists whatever some may claim
asciilifeform: airgapped: not merely 'not exists'
asciilifeform: is -intrinsic- snake oil
asciilifeform: like perpetuum mobile
asciilifeform: or 'free energy machine' as they tend to be called now
airgapped: yes, you ar eright
asciilifeform: airgapped: and yet you introduced this as your line of work? care to justify ?
asciilifeform: if somebody walks in and 'i drop screaming nuns out of helicopters for their insurance money' there'd better be a good story at least.
airgapped: working with microcontrolers
airgapped: adding crypto blocks/accelerators
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 22:59:43; airgapped: pete_dushenski: working, I specialize in "secure" microcontrolers
asciilifeform: airgapped: and it never once occurred to you that it was not an entirely honest line of work ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9682 @ 0.00040821 = 3.9523 BTC [+]
airgapped: yes they call it secure but I fully agree these are just micros with crypto accelertion
airgapped: trully secure processor does not exists
asciilifeform: airgapped: you still appear to be talking about it as something that could exist in essentially the same form pushed by scammers
asciilifeform: rather than an object that -categorically- does not exist, like a box inside which 1 == 2.
airgapped: no I have no illusion that secure processor exists
asciilifeform: airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ?
airgapped: the only option is airgapped machine and nothing beyod
asciilifeform: ^ doesn't answer my question
airgapped: interest in crypto algorithms and practical implementaitons
airgapped: translating crypto/math into implementaion running on small machines
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'raspberry pi' << terrible machine for the money, plus long history of disinformation and hype bordering on outright fraud: >> etc
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2014 22:42:52; asciilifeform: re: raspberry pi: the news item is - a sham
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 21:52:21; asciilifeform: 'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments)
asciilifeform: jurov: ...that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable << i never suggested any specific channel.
asciilifeform: jurov: recall mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not towards purpose' heuristic? it applies here
airgapped: asciilifeform: ever looked at VoCore?
asciilifeform: jurov: we don't need to know -precisely- what kind of rape broadcom intends for us
asciilifeform: jurov: for all we know, ver.1 doesn't even come with a raper
asciilifeform: jurov: just built to get us in the rape pens quicker.
asciilifeform: !s vocore
assbot: 3 results for 'vocore' :
asciilifeform: ^ was discussed here before
asciilifeform: airgapped: if you want to carry out crypto on a chip with built-in radio, be my guest
asciilifeform: i'll pass.
airgapped: have one but it also contains bin blobs
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2014 01:19:43; asciilifeform: our friends at ft. meade call this 'NONSTOP'
asciilifeform: in this case it doesn't even matter whether there are blobs
asciilifeform: thing's a 'submarine with screen door'
asciilifeform: doesn't even matter if the radio is switched on
asciilifeform: and if you went to school and they didn't teach why this is, go and get your money back
airgapped: we are running out of options here
airgapped: I have been loking for minimal node for some time but there is no good option it seems
asciilifeform: !s pogo
assbot: 194 results for 'pogo' :
asciilifeform: ^ small 'nas' computer available in usa for < 20 usd; reasonably-well-understood leaked chip docs; reasonable performance
asciilifeform: not perfect by any means, but a number of folks here are experimenting with it
airgapped: yes, will try this one
asciilifeform: for the lack of a clearly superior 'bang for the buck' elsewhere
asciilifeform: !up airgapped
asciilifeform: there is some conflation of unrelated things here
asciilifeform: bitcoin node is not really a cryptographically-sensitive device
asciilifeform: (assuming one does not partake in the braindamage of using a node as a wallet)
mircea_popescu: janyary my foot! omg! I GOT BUGS! THEY'RE MULTYPLYYNG
mircea_popescu: an' i'm losing control...
airgapped: what i'm looking for is just a node, wallet is out of scope
airgapped: I'm running it on latest rp but pogo looks like good alternative
asciilifeform: airgapped: read the #b-a logs, there is a wealth of material on the subject
airgapped: I will, danielpbarron already pointed out his notes
cazalla: asciilifeform, i read orlov's post soviet lessons.. article last night and my impression is that some of what he predicts relies on suggestion we've passed peak oil, but then i have read elsewhere peak oil has been debunked or that we're not even close to passing it.. can you share thoughts? not much turns up in logs
asciilifeform: cazalla: the 'debunkings' are crude sham jobs to put the plebes to sleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11515 @ 0.00038955 = 4.4857 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: cazalla it is elementary that if you keep taking out of a sack and never adding, eventually you run out.
asciilifeform: cazalla: it is worth your while to become acquainted with the actual theory (vs the popular disinfo presentation of it) - rather than 'running out of oil', considerably more complicated (approximately, running out of -economical- oil)
mircea_popescu: whetrher you care or not - entirely different discussion.
asciilifeform: likewise, 'running out' is a broad stroke
asciilifeform: implies the price going from reasonable to $maxint overnight, or the like
asciilifeform: actual reality of nonrewables exhaustion is considerably more interesting
mircea_popescu: for that matter... it turns out there's not enough rare earths on earth to make an ipad for each person alive.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, whether you care or not would be influenced if you are to run out tomorrow or 100-200 years from now though
asciilifeform: (price spike - not necessarily large, economic convulsions leading to 'demand destruction', price drops, useless mouths resume proliferating, etc. rinse&repeat)
asciilifeform: cazalla: again, 'run out' is a dodge concept
mircea_popescu: cazalla this decade is out of the question.
asciilifeform: no mineral 'runs out' like the air in a diver's tank
mircea_popescu: but once the saudi flood is done, imo that's it, oil will only ever be expensive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oil is not a mineral in this sense tho.
mircea_popescu: you can't run out of carbon, ie, the element. but you can run out of, say, sugar. venus is a fine example.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'mineral - wrong word, yes. meant 'полезные ископаемые' in general
asciilifeform: approx. 'useful shit to dig up'
asciilifeform: implies that you can dig up economically
mircea_popescu: vespene gas
cazalla: vespene gas actually works well considering what an end game of broodwar looked like once it ran out
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, practically, the peak oil thing is a lot less interesting now that electric cars have been demonstrated than 20 years ago. (dunno if you know, but this has been a fringe theory for > 50, almost 100 years by now)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moves the mineral question to the storage battery
mircea_popescu: yes, but that is considerably less explored a space.
asciilifeform: (as well as the rest of the electro-junk in there)
mircea_popescu: also, lithium, blessfully, is a lowly element.
asciilifeform: Li isn't especially abundant in economically recoverable form
mircea_popescu: that can change.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's not that i'm interested in it (or would understand/appreciate the issue tbh) but it seemed obvious way to poke a hole in orlov's prediction, at least that it might occur in my lifetime anyway
asciilifeform: if gonna fuse H to get it, may as well do it right in the car...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if you're gonna fuck, might as well make the chick you're fucking in the same go" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know how, then yes!
asciilifeform: cazalla: most of orlov's mechanics apply to any kind of anglo world collapse, not necessarily 'petro-flavoured'
asciilifeform: incidentally
asciilifeform: the (very old!) nickel-iron battery is superior to Li (and all other extant chemistries) in all respects but energy density
asciilifeform: virtually indestructible
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, S.CARS would be pretty cool. a company that a) aspires atmospheric H2, b) fuses it into Li c) which it uses to make car batteries while d) the energy so produced it uses to make the cars and fill them up.
asciilifeform: iirc there are 100+ year old examples which still function as rated!
mircea_popescu: prolly not even cost a trillion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not to mention the earth is about 80% nickel and iron by mass.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it also laughs at deep-cycling, overcharging, heat, vibration...
asciilifeform: but as ancient tech, for some reason not of interest to any existing manufacturer outside of china
asciilifeform: (where it is used in farm equipment, iirc)
mircea_popescu: you know, i'd like to read a sf novel which explores a future where technology has re-arranged deep magma of earth into a humongo battery
cazalla: related to running out of something.. techcrunch reports yesterday's bitcoin auction was the last of dpr's coins.. bloomberg quote usms as saying otherwise
mircea_popescu: and the human civilisation is organised around the implicit currency of "Stored joules"
mircea_popescu: cazalla hardest thing for a fraudster is to keep the story straight.
asciilifeform: ;;google nickel-iron battery
gribble: nickel iron battery information: <>; Nickel–iron battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Nickel-Iron NiFe batteries by Iron Edison: <>
asciilifeform: ^ lol, is that an american firm?!
asciilifeform: wonder what they charge.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc decade old data, it cost about 2.5-3x as much but obviously you never had to replace anything.
asciilifeform: like mercedes.
mircea_popescu: people generally went for the "cheaper" solutions that rarely last 5 years
asciilifeform: same story as the rest of technocivilization
asciilifeform: thing wants new electrolyte every 2-3 decades, but it costs pennies
mircea_popescu: some of the cleverer dcs use them bnecause they're so very tolerant. which makes it the best heuristic to evaluate the operational wisdom of any dc.
mircea_popescu: "do you have a basementfull of nife ?" "o yeah! shit rocks" vs "say wut ?"
mircea_popescu: then they run for 4 years and have to replace the batteries, and run for another 2 and there's a lightning strike and have to replace them again. tru story.
asciilifeform: standard Pb cells are good for 2-3 tops
asciilifeform: (less if actually put to use)
mircea_popescu: i don't think you may use pb anymore.
asciilifeform: pretty much the only remaining use permitted worldwide is battery
mircea_popescu: mno, actually being phased out, for years now.
asciilifeform: hm must be eu thing
asciilifeform: what did they decree? NiMH?
mircea_popescu: im not really that up to date. prolly.
asciilifeform: (in usa, cars, trucks, 'ups' - ~100% Pb)
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be so sure you'll get permits for new development in the us, eithert.
mircea_popescu: this is a different discussion.
asciilifeform: every ups vendor i know of is shipping chinese cells
mircea_popescu: and new cars also don't really come with lead batteries.
asciilifeform: haven't seen an auto shop yet that stocks anything but Pb battery
asciilifeform: and was in one not long ago
mircea_popescu: aftermarket diff story
asciilifeform: possibly
asciilifeform not diligent scholar of the subject
mircea_popescu: anyway, to imagine the "ban smoking" thing is an isolated incident is naive. no, there's a shitton of these underway, continuously, and generally unreported.
asciilifeform: one of the most famous idiocies was the light bulb thing
asciilifeform: there is always some joker standing ready to take over from whatever widget is up for the ban hammer
mircea_popescu: 3rd world killer basically.
mircea_popescu: "O, you're now advanced enough where you could start some light industry ? fu!"
asciilifeform: they're permitted industry, just under very... different terms
asciilifeform: more belgian-rubber.
mircea_popescu: right. the tlp described phenomenon of "oh, this class of medicine is now generic ? guess what, on a review of the data available it turns out it wasn't effective anyway, so we're using Y now instead".
asciilifeform: pharma sop
mircea_popescu: it's not just medicine. it's pretty much everything.
asciilifeform: i'll add that virtually 100% of r&d investment by extant pharma firms is precisely this and only this
asciilifeform: 'find a place to stick an extra methyl where it won't matter but now patentable'
mircea_popescu: << holy shit this is the stupidest thing ever. srsly, cpu mining ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo that epicscale debacle prolly qntrable.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's on qntra alrady
asciilifeform: *already
mircea_popescu: ah nm :)
assbot: Crapware Still Bundles Mining Software | ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7931 @ 0.00038574 = 3.0593 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3661 @ 0.00038574 = 1.4122 BTC [-]
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2942 @ 0.00038508 = 1.1329 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the demographics of qntra readership as depicted by quantcast never cease to amaze me.
mike_c: apparently we're all asian men 25-34
cazalla: what's behind the push for such things?
cazalla: maybe qntra needs quotas so that 30% of readers are women
mircea_popescu: << it's so appalingly dumb tho. cpu bitcoin miner would barely make any satoshi.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 19:03:35; asciilifeform: 'join our botnet voluntarily, save orphans!'
mircea_popescu: mike_c politically active, politically unafilliated, filthy rich, mostly azn, some caucasian.
mircea_popescu: (in fact it's mostly white with more asian than "normal", which considering the normal is gawker-and-wikipedia dumbternets... )
mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, the demographic that supposedly "doesn'ty exist" and "doesn't matter" and "never wins elections" and so on and so forth.
mike_c: it'll be interesting to see it after another couple 10x bumps
cazalla: what's the other in race demo? jews?
mircea_popescu: prolly, judging by how it looks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cpu bitcoin miner would barely make any satoshi << cargocult
mircea_popescu: i dun get it, honest.
asciilifeform: also - until we hear otherwise - safe to assume that it was mining a crackpot alt
asciilifeform: (they typically do nowadays)
mircea_popescu: they specifically said bitcoin tho
mircea_popescu: but yes, thisd would make sense, with some shitty alt.
asciilifeform: then unadulterated idiocy
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mircea_popescu: btw, anyone put together the "usg will target ammunition rather than small arms" with the "various agencies bought and stored millions of rounds at the beginning of this decade" to come to a "usg will ban ammunition period" thing yet ?
mircea_popescu: as in, they are actually making rounds the future currency ?
asciilifeform: lol not deliberately
mircea_popescu: usg survival plan once shtf ? "well...we got the largest stores of ammo of"
asciilifeform: even to have it happen by accident would require some sort of standardization
mircea_popescu: why ? they banned smoking alright
mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of smokers.
asciilifeform: iirc most of the famous stockpile is '.40', a caliber unpopular outside of usg afaik
asciilifeform: (pistol round)
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd have stored .5 AP
asciilifeform: ^ center
asciilifeform: was, iirc, designed specially for usg
mircea_popescu: except the thing pictured is not a proper ap round.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: are you sure you were thinking of -this- .50 ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's what wikipedia had.
asciilifeform: rather than what is called .50 bmg in usa
asciilifeform: (the one found worldwide, actually used in everything from light aircraft to sniper)
mircea_popescu: apparently the de .5 ap, explosive, incendiary etc rounds are secret on internet.en ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bmg is a machine gun round not a pistol round
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english-speaking world 'weirdo' rounds (explode, flechette, etc.) are generally made for '12' shotgun
mircea_popescu: anyway, the thing is just on the margin : the common "action express" .5 round is generally stopped by a level 3 and always by a level 4 vest.
mircea_popescu: but the ap variant cuts through any practical armor, and generally can be used against lightly armored aircraft as well.
asciilifeform: fire at aircraft from pistol barrel, lol!
asciilifeform: where, at the airfield ?
asciilifeform: walk up to it?
mircea_popescu: urban warfare baby.
asciilifeform: the .5 pistol is considered a 'crackpot' curio in usa
asciilifeform: (not sure about elsewhere)
mircea_popescu: it's hard to fire for womenz.
asciilifeform: sorta reminiscent of the late-medieval 'hand cannone'
mircea_popescu: it is just about at the tolerance level of a physically elite man.
asciilifeform: why not at least give it a wooden folding stock like the old 'mauser'
asciilifeform: even 'elite' pistolero has wrists, they aren't made of stone
mircea_popescu: by the time you're shooting this it supposedly no longer matters.
mircea_popescu: anyway, pointless stock. if you can use stocked stuff just get a carbine or something.
asciilifeform: invented - unsurprisingly - in jp
mircea_popescu: let's put it the other way : a sharp tungsten tipped .5 round is >20 bux.
mircea_popescu: you can shoot through us style "walls" by ir with it just fine.
mircea_popescu: now... how many wrists does 20 bux a round buy ?
asciilifeform: you can shoot through u.s. 'walls' with almost anything
asciilifeform: probably even arbalest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of small arms, are you familiar with (historic) 'gyrojet' ?
asciilifeform: famous failed product (no one seems to agree precisely why failed) but very instructive re: yesterday's thread
mircea_popescu: lol arbalest guerilla regiment. gastraphetes!
asciilifeform: as it used a miniature rocket (approx. the size of .5 round...) which was fin-stabilized and rotated, it needed only a very simple firing mechanism and low-pressure barrel
asciilifeform: (smooth of course)
mircea_popescu: is this the french "rocket" fired from small arm ?
asciilifeform: but functioned otherwise like a regular pistol
asciilifeform: american
mircea_popescu: that trivially ended up pushing against branches etc ?
asciilifeform: after a metre or so, went at same speed as regular round
asciilifeform: so no good for shooting a fella in the head directly. but otherwise worked
asciilifeform: today (and for some decades) it is a museum rarity (r. reagan, famously, owned one)
asciilifeform: but i bring it up because of the 'low-tech small arms' thread
asciilifeform: needs only very basic metallurgy
asciilifeform: and can be scaled up arbitrarily
asciilifeform: (being a rocket rather than cannon)
assbot: Modern Firearms - Gyrojet ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ basic summary
mircea_popescu: well... once the usd v2.0 pistol rounds thinkg takes form, we can make these :D
mircea_popescu: << note that there weren't nearly as many of these in 1995.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:35:22; trinque: they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon
mircea_popescu: in a sense, the trying causes it.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:38:28; asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq
asciilifeform: (looks like i misremembered re: fins)
mircea_popescu: give it a week and a half of "we can no longer give you free stuff"
mircea_popescu: remember that time when food stamp system ran out of funds, took a three day hiaturs, everyone held their breath ?
trinque: nobody I was talking about collects food stamps
mircea_popescu: that was the equivalent of the mike hearn "let's test bitcoin". the result came out kinda clearly - 9 maybe 10 days. that's it.
mircea_popescu: trinque sure. but they're not the problem, either.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: would like Francis Underwood if he were a real person.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud Francis Underwood
gribble: | Representative Francis J. “Frank” Underwood (born July 26, 1959) is the House Majority Whip and anti-hero of the hit Netflix original "House of Cards". He is, on ...
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mircea_popescu: << i think you grossly misunderstand it. yes, they'd love to be left alone, yes all of them could grow with no deliveries of anything.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:41:27; asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you must be thinking of another usa on another alternate planet earth
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i just think you'd admire someone who'd want to completely gut the welfare state
mircea_popescu: recall, i actually spent months walking that place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where ?
thestringpuller: s/admire/respect
asciilifeform: appalachia ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from boston to nuevo laredo, all the way.
trinque: granted my parents farm might not be the most defensible place, but it *does* produce using about 1850s level tech
asciilifeform: or perhaps where the amish are found ?
asciilifeform: there are a few places with 'living fossils' yes
mircea_popescu: i spent months going from town to town by bus.
trinque: the place even has its own natural gas well, heh
trinque: mircea_popescu: wow, very cool
mircea_popescu: so it may be a case that YOU be thinking of another usa hm ? :D
asciilifeform: trinque: the place even has its own natural gas well << realize that it turns the place into a non-negotiable military objective - read: target - rather than survival haven
mircea_popescu: i thoughjt the discussion was "left alone"
mircea_popescu: trinque chetty was with me!
trinque: mircea_popescu: I want the book on your life someday.
trinque: I'd probably have to learn romanian and read that part of trilema
asciilifeform: my understanding (by no means perfect) is that the 'can produce and feed selves with 1850 tech' and 'armed for civil war' crowds are disjoint sets in usa
mircea_popescu: lol. that'd work.
trinque: asciilifeform: that part does probably rule out the place in particular
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform used to be, 20 years ago.
mircea_popescu: they broadly merged.
trinque: my point was people can produce food
trinque: the gas isn't involved in the food production
trinque: just makes keeping the cows alive easier
asciilifeform: trinque: the gas makes the spot a strategic objective for anyone with pretensions of keeping some basic tech going and any kind of army whatsoever
trinque: no no, I concede that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the scenario was "stop the trucks!"
asciilifeform: (most likely whatever the largest and nearest usg fragment is)
trinque: the trucks stop and they still eat, til someone comes for the natural gas
mircea_popescu: well... maybe his uncle!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the short-term picture? sure
mircea_popescu: thjis idea that the remnants automatically inherit the land is naive. one in ten is my experience.
asciilifeform: usg doesn't need 'the land' (again ru-1917 thinking pattern) for much. only the gas wells, etc., industry, fields, slaves
mircea_popescu: this idea that the remnants automatically inherit a chunk of the future is naive. one in ten is my experience.
asciilifeform: probably not automatic, no
mircea_popescu: the reason there even is a remnant in the first place - vz, the collapse - is that they didn't have enough virility in the system.
mircea_popescu: it's not magically sprung up by the end. expect a good half of usg to just lay down and die, just like that.
asciilifeform: but the folks with actual mil training (plus shoulder-launched antitank rockets, real-time satellite view, other goodies) will have a 'fair' fight with the others over it.
mircea_popescu: expect the aspirational 20% to murder the rest of the 40% in the process of selecting the half of itself that may go on.
mircea_popescu: right. so... one in ten.
trinque: so the stepdad's ex-mil and well armed/trained
mircea_popescu: and 0% of the "responsibility to govern". if two dukedoms over someone makes clitoris stu, expect nobody to care.
trinque: whatever that's worth in the situation
mircea_popescu: trinque hence "<mircea_popescu> well... maybe his uncle!"
trinque: what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now
mircea_popescu: that'd be the gist of it.
asciilifeform: if two dukedoms over someone makes clitoris stu, expect nobody to care << the whole notion that someone must care, is a bizarre creation of the patients in usg asylum
mircea_popescu: unlike at... no point in history, lol.
trinque: heh, yeah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aye.
mircea_popescu delights in picturing the hordes of "awareness raisers".
mircea_popescu: "have you raised any awareness today, brother ?"
trinque: compulsively plugging dead phones into dead outlets over and over
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asciilifeform: has anyone here managed to get adacore's 'gps' to run on anything other than winblows ?
asciilifeform: (or so much as tried)
decimation: re: batteries < I've never heard of a non-Pb car battery
assbot: Safety Data Sheets (SDS) | Interstate Batteries, Inc. ... ( )
decimation: asciilifeform: re: gyrojet < lol "recoiless rifle" from your fist? Does the exhaust burn your eye out too?
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:00:46; danielpbarron: i'm probably in the *worst* place to be when this stuff goes down, although asciilifeform's locale doesn't sound very pleasant either
mircea_popescu: location's really a secondary concern.
mircea_popescu: <<< fwiw, i watch films made in the past 20 years <1% of the time.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:10:10; cazalla: the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating
mircea_popescu: talk about a scavenger cult
mircea_popescu: << prolly good idea to make this policy now. archive and screenshot EVERYTHING.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:24:35; cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol
mircea_popescu: thing works fine.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:25:02; asciilifeform: trinque: the hypothetical 'mutual assistance' org you suggest would roughly resolve to a 'society for let's we all get filthy rich, and not warren-buffet-usg-rich either, but mircea_popescu-rich'
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:27:52; asciilifeform: i might exaggerate slightly, but at any rate it won't be accomplished by a fella with a day job.
danielpbarron: "On why your comment was removed? Well, you decided to do a slight snide remark and at the same time promote another site. If you had just said: qntra is worth a look. they are more into articles and commentary though. Then you comment would be still there."
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
danielpbarron: a private thing between me and a moderator of "THE Bitcoin Community on Google+ since 2012"
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: wallowing with the eagles again, eh ?
decimation: danielpbarron: someone uses google+ besides poettering?
danielpbarron: i was surprised too, decimation
mircea_popescu: there was a fetlife "btc" fetish group
mircea_popescu: dead since... i dunno, 2013ish
danielpbarron: i barely use the thing and i have 1/5 the "views" of Ethereum's page
decimation: I came upon a google+ stat awhile ago in the logs:
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 04:54:20; decimation: lol " In other words, 0.2-0.3% of all G+ profiles, about 4-6 million users, have made public posts in 2015. "
mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty much dead, goiung the way of te yahoo briefcase or w/e
decimation: ;;calc 0.003*6000000
gribble: 18000
asciilifeform: counting supposed users is pure spamatronics anyway
danielpbarron: if it's dead it's because mods like the one i talked to "remove posts and comments all the time and every single day."
decimation: well, if the numbers above are in the right ballpark, google+ has the population of a county seat in rural kansas
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:26:21; kakobrekla: its anal rape half way only
mircea_popescu: decimation i think you're doing it wrong. ~5mn made posts, of a total > 10bn profiles ?
decimation: possibly, I read it the other way
decimation: yeah upon re-reading the article you are right
mircea_popescu: it just doesn't make sense for g+ to only have a few mn profiles for all the resoureces they poured into it.
decimation: that's around the population of arizona
mircea_popescu: more's the point, even that watsapp spam outfit had 100mn active.
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decimation: yeah but that's a slightly different case right? in the sense that whatsapp enabled cross-platform communications?
decimation has never used whatsapp nor ever plans to
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mircea_popescu: it's mostly a thirld world thing i gather.
asciilifeform is just barely aware of what it was/is, and doesn't think he knows anyone who has seen much less used it
decimation: but if they are simply piping sms from one network to another, than their 'user count' has the same significance as that which the bum who owns brooklyn bridge can claim
mircea_popescu: it's an app.
mircea_popescu: their user count has as much significance as princess leia's ex boyfriend count.
mircea_popescu: not like anyone's marrying her anyway.
mircea_popescu: << arm is not actually "purpose built silicone".
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:47:26; asciilifeform: if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer.
decimation: jabba the hut has a purpose for her
mircea_popescu: does he wear a hoodie ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he specifically mentioned cryptoaccelerator modules
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (these are often included as coprocessor 'cores' on conventional cpu)
mircea_popescu: and specifically disused by people serious about their crypto
asciilifeform: the chip found in 'pogo', incidentally, has a somewhat dusty one
decimation: asciilifeform: actually you could 'harden' a microcontroller against side channel attacks
asciilifeform: and yes specifically disused
asciilifeform: decimation: the manufacturer can claim to harden against attack. can even do so, to an extent. you - buyer - have no way to distinguish; not to learn what else is - or is not - inside
asciilifeform: i seriously didn't imagine this being such a hard concept for folks to grasp
decimation: asciilifeform: aye. nor could any amount of 'crypto module software' help
mircea_popescu: lol alf giving airgapped guy an incredibly hard time
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:55:48; asciilifeform: airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ?
mircea_popescu: i know people who try to write novels. another problem for which the solution can not exist.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've no idea who he is, but he fit my expected pattern for the inevitably next mr yetmoarspam far too well
mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to behead people after rather than before, you nut you.
mircea_popescu: give love a chance!
asciilifeform: if fella's any good he'll snap that head back on & rejoin
mircea_popescu: if he's any bad, also.
asciilifeform: probably.
mircea_popescu: why then doi you claim to solve a problem through a process through which no solution could be had!
mircea_popescu: explicitly : what is the difference between him making secure crypto arms and you cutting random heads ?
asciilifeform: wouldn't dream of trying to solve the particular problem in that thread
asciilifeform: poor fella arrived just as i was thinking of attempting essay re: specificity-of-diddling
asciilifeform: and ended up it
mircea_popescu: happens.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:41:18; asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling.
asciilifeform: to borrow mircea_popescu's terminology, buying a dedicated, e.g., rsa silicon, communicates information to enemy which he has no business learning
asciilifeform: regarding your intentions to compute rsa funktion
mircea_popescu: << this is sadly such sop, i doubt most derps even register there's anything wrong with it.,
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 00:01:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments)
asciilifeform: 'raspberry' is egregious and famously so even among the other horrors
asciilifeform: in, for example, the fact that the 'blob' does not merely initialize the hardware, but actually runs at all times on its own coprocessor
decimation: asciilifeform: would you ever voluntarily use a broadcom chip for anything?
decimation: asciilifeform: that's sop in every smartphone that exists
decimation: can't even examine the blob
asciilifeform: decimation: can't say that i would
asciilifeform: 'from cause rather than from principle'
asciilifeform: folks ask me questions like this in meatspace and i end up explaining that no, i do not necessarily know of a specific sin for that specific part number
asciilifeform: but 'fruit of poison tree'
asciilifeform: *rather than purpose
asciilifeform: cause rather than purpose.
decimation: yeah I get your point
asciilifeform: now, i happen to have a large collection of hard (and soft) ware that i consider questionable. but it is kept around specifically for abusive experimentation rather than 'use' in the usual sense.
decimation: hopefully one day you will be able to buy your matrix of logic cells from costco to feed into your Mr Fuser
asciilifeform wishes he could name someone other than himself who is working on this problem, but cannot
decimation: so prevailing 30 year fixed mortgage rates went from 3.5 to 4.0 in about 2 weeks
mircea_popescu: clearly desperate bid to reign in inflation
decimation: and 10 year treasuries went from %2.1 to %2.25 just today
mircea_popescu: by now every fucking wikipedia entry containing a sum of dollars has to have a "x in 2013 dollars" affixed.
decimation: all this is because usg released a report that said that 30k more people 'have jobs' and wages were flat
mircea_popescu: no, all this because they're not stupid, and would like to not hang.
decimation: which doesn't mean shit for actual economics but means alot for the magic fed decision meter
mircea_popescu: i'm so curious if next mulatoo in chief actually finds a volcker v2.0
asciilifeform wonders what the rate would have to be to cut off the chump flow
decimation: the problem is, if you raise rates to the 18% per annum that real estate prices in new york imply, you quickly find that usg is paying all its tax to debtors
mircea_popescu: nah, my guess atm is 32.
mircea_popescu: !up ponzi
ponzi: ;;seen wences
gribble: wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 37 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?
mircea_popescu: but as a theoretical, probably impractical solution. otherwise, 1-2% hikes each quarter for the next 3-5 years would be what a sane cb would do
mircea_popescu: decimation you don;t mega hike it, you put it on a pain plan.
cazalla: mircea_popescu> thing works fine. <<< i have started to do this
asciilifeform: ideally the mirror would be a genuine #b-a-affiliated box, no ?
asciilifeform: would suck to lose all the mirrored pages in one shot if is taken out
mircea_popescu: well... yes.
mircea_popescu: nothing beats a local copy, obviously
mircea_popescu: really important stuff can also be deedbot-'d
cazalla: well provides a download of the archive it makes as well
cazalla: (and yes i know that this cannot be 100% trusted)
mircea_popescu: it makes a nice jpg of the page that can be downloaded.
decimation: what's a 'pain plan'?
decimation: pay the little people 0% when inflation is well above 10%?
mircea_popescu: when you tell the slavegirl "today, you X this much, and tomorrow X+k, and so forth each day X+nk"
mircea_popescu: "the only thing you know for sure is that tomorrow's going to be worse" = pain plan
mircea_popescu: pretty much every good computer game ever.
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: not only will usg be paying all of its tax revenue to debtors, the fed's $4.5 trillion worth of 3% mortgages won't look so good
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
mircea_popescu: i'm not a miracle worker, i'm a butcher. i don't revive dead cows, i just cut them apart.
decimation: ;;calc 18000000000*0.2
gribble: 3600000000
decimation: so at 20% rate, usg pays $3.6 trillion in interest per year. current annual tax revenue is $3.1 trillion
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decimation: heh EUR/USD fell to $1.08 from $1.10
asciilifeform: now kakobrekla can buy pogo!
decimation: asciilifeform: now's the time to import euro strange I guess
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation short explanation as to why exactly it can no longer be fixed.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mircea_popescu: digging up to see which the fuck earl of somerset was pete talking about (i thought that's a duchy), it turns out there's two different 1st earls of somerset : John Beaufort (Gaunt's son, in 1300s) and Robert Carr, in the 1500s.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: ;)
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : the middle german term for a tournament is... butthurt.
mircea_popescu: bouhourt in french.
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