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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They tend to do that. Amazing though on the other side how over time it takes increasing enticements to get them trapped in the first place.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform :]
mod6: let me know how it goes. my full-sync test with the static bin is up to height=273236 currently.
mod6: i'll check back in tomorrow.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00041899 = 6.6619 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: i understand. i think the first objective will be to resolve that issue once we get the milestone "release" bundled up.
mod6: then that'll be another version bump & release in itself.
mod6: ok, im off for a bit. night #b-a!
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 88 @ 0.03401 = 2.9929 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00039309 = 2.0834 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4548 @ 0.00038978 = 1.7727 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19621 @ 0.00040252 = 7.8978 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11906 @ 0.00040472 = 4.8186 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7494 @ 0.00040472 = 3.033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9538 @ 0.00040264 = 3.8404 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00040599 = 6.6785 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 425 @ 0.00474189 = 2.0153 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 243 @ 0.00474063 = 1.152 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20380 @ 0.00039375 = 8.0246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0004039 = 5.493 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00039375 = 4.6659 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00040778 = 8.2372 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00039375 = 7.0481 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24788 @ 0.00037813 = 9.3731 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00037186 = 9.8357 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00036667 = 5.7934 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.0003589 = 4.5042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15972 @ 0.00038039 = 6.0756 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29097 @ 0.00038699 = 11.2602 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: height=253958 vs height=200309 (usb3: height=234842)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20537 @ 0.00040221 = 8.2602 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00038094 = 6.7426 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17171 @ 0.00037164 = 6.3814 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00037067 = 1.3529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8874 @ 0.00037067 = 3.2893 BTC [-]
mod6: up to height=288287 (static build)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40477 @ 0.00037164 = 15.0429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00036961 = 2.2916 BTC [-] {2}
PeterL: does therealbitcoin list have an rss feed?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5514 @ 0.00036719 = 2.0247 BTC [-]
jurov: just register as recipient?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12880 @ 0.00036578 = 4.7112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8720 @ 0.00036578 = 3.1896 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00036386 = 5.5671 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00036474 = 12.3647 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0003605 = 1.3699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6784 @ 0.00035904 = 2.4357 BTC [-] {2}
davout: this kind of stuff will probably happen more and more
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00039092 = 5.8833 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00040972 = 15.4669 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: ^ heh these utorrent forums. "account suspended"
nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders
nubbins`: FWIW canada customs have consistently provided me with the least-pleasant border crossing experiences of any agency
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00041394 = 4.6775 BTC [+]
chetty: only safe place is inside your head, for now
chetty: although I have crossed boarders in last year a few times with no problems, I am always ready
PeterL: you made renters angry?
chetty: and I can't type either :/
danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies?
PeterL: why would people with children be different?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00041633 = 6.4531 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00041863 = 9.2099 BTC [+] {5}
PeterL: deader, unless you are a necrophile
mike_c: they didn't want to make you suspicious so you wouldn't see the people following you.
PeterL: if you had one in your pocket instead of in case, would they have been interested by it?
danielpbarron: PeterL, something's not right with the beginning of the MiniGame paragraph
PeterL: BingoBoingo: the link for s.mg is not closed, could you fix?
PeterL: just needs a >S.MG</a> in there
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.0004136 = 18.7361 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: asciilifeform: average border guard probably says 1) is he brown? 2) did any of our HYPER ADVANCED detectors smell bomb? 3) is he flagged for harassment 4) does he look afraid
trinque: I have a family member that's tagged for harassment at the border for political involvement in the 70s
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9104 @ 0.00042301 = 3.8511 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Possibly. Mentioned by name in the linked TorrentFreak piece.
BingoBoingo: There's been a number of these things. This was actually one of the business's "CoinLab" explored
BingoBoingo: The proposed a guarenteed payment pool for GPU miners where once ASICs arrived the GPUs would be aimed at other computing tasks
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26349 @ 0.0004315 = 11.3696 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10648 @ 0.00043451 = 4.6267 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00039942 = 5.3922 BTC [-] {2}
PeterL: maybe asciilifeform 's desire to make bullet in jungle conditions is more urgent than we thought?
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 17:54:22; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was clear to anyone who gives a fuck that usg would target ammunition, rather than small arms per se, when it 'gets serious'
PeterL: Apparently the government has started changing the rules, then asking for public comment (which they then ignore)
chetty: they even ignore the courts, why bother with the silly 'public'
trinque: I don't see how national-scale weapons control could be implemented in the US
trinque: they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon
chetty: walk softly and carry a big stick won't ever change, at least not the big stick part :)
trinque: asciilifeform: I think people who never leave cities tend to forget how much weaponry is just outside
trinque: and people who actually know how to use them
danielpbarron: perhaps it'll be like with legal weed -- permitted to do bitcoin, or permitted to own a gun. choose one.
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't think things have gotten bad enough yet for them, the rednecks
chetty: yeah, need the bubba effect to kick in
trinque: I could see someone clever turning them into a far-right movement of some kind
trinque: invoke the "end times", etc
chetty: right? left? too the moon might as well be. right and left don't make sense anymore
trinque: asciilifeform: how collapsed are we considering?
trinque: enough for pieces of the military to break off and start fighting for texas?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15425 @ 0.00041173 = 6.3509 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: bitstein: austin resident?
trinque: bitstein: nice! I lived there for years, grew up in houston
danielpbarron: I once visited a false church community in waco, tx (no relation to that other thing) and they seemed capable of sustaining themselves independent of any supply lines. But maybe all the ground tilling was just for show -- I didn't stay there year-round; just for a week for their "harvest festival"
trinque: danielpbarron: my parents have a farm that produces far in surplus of what they need
trinque: the problem being the neighbors of course, in such a situation
PeterL: danielpbarron: I imagine they have to import metal to make their farm implements, or are they doing mining and refining too?
danielpbarron: and come to think of it, a lot of their industry was exporting to outsiders. things like "hand made whatever"
trinque: PeterL: you don't need infinite amounts of tools, once you have them
PeterL: but tools do not last forever
trinque: this idea that people cannot possibly survive without vast supply chains is pretty new...
danielpbarron: i still have those gloves and hat. not gonna say it isn't high quality.
trinque: I mean if we're headed back to the stone age, might as well eat a bullet in that situation
trinque: asciilifeform: were all (former) Soviets growing their own food?
trinque: I'd expect they were living off the state's teat mostly
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2013 17:41:46; asciilifeform: "There's a shift in people's thinking as essential items become scarce. They believe that... hoarders created the shortage... if someone can establish such a link between the crisis and you, you have a problem.'
trinque: of course, yet what, 5% population decline, maybe 10?
trinque: asciilifeform: I would want to know whether that was mostly a reaction after collapse, or something which people had in advance
trinque: actually "in advance" would make sense if there were ongoing shortages
trinque: that sounds like surviving 3 weeks in the woods at most though
trinque: pick a spot far enough that no one hungry is going to wander there on foot
trinque: let the cities burn themselves out
PeterL: wait out collapse, then return to scrounge resources from ruins?
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't mean that I'd return to the city 3wks later
PeterL: I was just trying to finish trinque's idea of hiding in the woods for 3 weeks
danielpbarron: is it foolish to assume that I can bribe my way out of catastrophe?
trinque: I mean the cities wont be a risk to the rural areas after some period of starvation
trinque: asciilifeform: well you at least fight back as the knife's plunged in
danielpbarron: i don't think i'll be rich enough to bribe my way out until -after- it begins
trinque: danielpbarron: someone will just beat the private keys out of you
trinque: asciilifeform: ah, I agree that I'm probably dead
trinque: this is more a question of what to do until then
trinque: no worse than the situation was before though, right?
trinque: I'm as good as dead no matter what I'm doing, given a long enough timeline
trinque: but, one will still try to increase his chances even as lowered into the oil
danielpbarron: i'm probably in the *worst* place to be when this stuff goes down, although asciilifeform's locale doesn't sound very pleasant either
PeterL: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it isn't foolish, but the time to do so is strictly -before- << surviving is dependent on having useful skills and wot connections to others with skills, the time to gain these is also strictly -before-
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:19:50; asciilifeform: speaking of sewage, i recently had occasion to learn the details behind herr orlov's assertion that usa minus mains current will drown in own shit
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 16:54:35; danielpbarron: "Noticed the laptop was 'laggy' and then I saw the mysterious E in the taskbar. Blamed the kids again but then I saw the Utorrent update comments and bingo, me too," Ian notes. << people with children are pirating movies?
cazalla: the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating
trinque: asciilifeform: I'd think there's enough talent right here to escape a gravity well
trinque: that seems foolish, though sure, I'm making my own moves aside from derping here
trinque: a big, profitable company would hurt how?
jurov: what is "nato financial octopus"?
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol
trinque: well not mutual assistance and not an org
trinque: for example if there was a tiny rasp-pi sized lisp machine, I think that'd be sellable
trinque: I don't want help; I have my own businesses
trinque: point being that no matter what's going on in the world at large, there are products to sell
trinque: asciilifeform: your cardano, perfect example
trinque: asciilifeform: sure but that's hyperbolic compared to "I can attach this to a printer, card scanner, whatever, and it does what it is told"
trinque: asciilifeform: sure; yet I think people forget millions can be made owning a chain of car washes
trinque: ehhh, you can still start businesses in the US
trinque: you just have to be willing to starve
trinque: and/or to lower yourself a bit
trinque: plenty of retards out there owning strip clubs, parking garages, snow plow companies
trinque: and also in particular, astoundingly shitty software companies that can be bested without much effort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0003986 = 6.3776 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: along those lines I am really starting to consider moving back to TX
trinque: no state income tax, cheap-as-hell rent
mircea_popescu: ideally you want exactly what ben_vulpes was proposing : a node server with a wallet client
mircea_popescu: but even admitting this were done correctly, the problem still remains of what txn the client should order broadcast.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda how sane people use this : wallet on a system behind a node system in a nat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6085 @ 0.00039974 = 2.4324 BTC [+]
sjsqd: was trying to sign up for your site but it forwards to a blank page
sjsqd: otherwise still also trying to read through 6 months of IRC logs haha
sjsqd: put in my email and 10,000 credits and pressed submit
mircea_popescu: also, make sure you typed the email address correctly.
sjsqd: email address is correct
sjsqd: and I don't think I have redirects disabled
sjsqd: I tried a few different options on my computer but got the same result
mircea_popescu: if you fill in with something other than 10k or with nothing at all it works.
sjsqd: I'm pretty sure I tried another figure but yes you're correct it works now
sjsqd: yes I will I briefly read about it earlier
sjsqd: I've just had quite a few things on at the moment, otherwise I would be a bit more active
sjsqd: but I do find this channel and the websites/sources surrounding it interesting
airgapped: ^ including for reference, may be usefull for someone
mircea_popescu: i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpoise, but it's in teh logs.
airgapped: this one is new, more RAM, so far rock solid
trinque: mystery binary blob drivers are required to run the thing
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron more a case of "there's all these people who got pis because excitement, now have nothing to use them for", i thought,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.03400002 = 1.564 BTC [-] {2}
airgapped: so for me this is also temp solution
mircea_popescu: the pi is currently being worked on as a first example of a fully fits in head machine.
danielpbarron: still a work in progress, see also the root directory of that file
mircea_popescu: airgapped you should prolly get in the wot while at it.
airgapped: danielpbarron: nice, mised it in the logs
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo enjoy :) i didn't end up drinking last night so no issues there
assbot: airgapped is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: if you were in gribble pre 2015, you were imported. otherwise, gotta reg your key with assbot.
mircea_popescu: so then it's halfa minute. yeah, see the link for commands.
airgapped: !register 178BF6EEA4C3A737F70878AC5E40172FEBBA0713
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 178BF6EEA4C3A737F70878AC5E40172FEBBA0713. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key EBBA0713 / "airgapped <airgapped@countermail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.03753703 = 1.0135 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.airgapped.1:b3f7991004a4bbbbd349279c39bb1e5431f940bcc8e103b36d37d3d83b3ae7f6
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: Working on the pogo thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7008 @ 0.00039911 = 2.797 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00040988 = 7.0089 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.airgapped.1:9fdc995fb92b89f46ae90459ad60e2b6c87f4627292744d93d9e0c7c8f3f0be7
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for airgapped with note: New blood
mike_c: heh, i kind of like that better. "janyary"
pete_dushenski: airgapped so are you working in the field currently ? or is this more of a hobby of yours ?
jurov: <mircea_popescu> i don't recall why we didn't like the pi for this purpois << alf proclaimed it as depending on binary turd (that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable), thus unworthy
jurov: oh and mircea_popescu withdrawals pls
airgapped: pete_dushenski: working, I specialize in "secure" microcontrolers
pete_dushenski: i'm under the impression, though hardly an expert, that there isn't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00041098 = 3.5755 BTC [+]
mike_c: you just haven't heard the name. it's the winklevii etf.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:30:18; mircea_popescu: and that is, joining the wot early, and helping set the world on fire. it. strictly it.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 16:31:33; nubbins`: chetty it amazes me that people still carry non-wiped devices over int'l borders
jurov: well... if i wasn't on this chan, i'd easily ended up carrying any to/from canada
jurov: wiping both my ntb and phone would appear completely insane to me
kakobrekla: if you werent on this chan you could actually carry it as well hehe
kakobrekla: well, now you are flagged suspekterorista
danielpbarron: what is to wipe on a phone that they don't already have? It's not like my keys are on the thing
danielpbarron: is that incriminating? could be anything in that bong!
danielpbarron: also, they already have those pictures, presumably
jurov: but really, do they routinely rummage through photos and documents? and when i have virtualbox on desktop, will they ask me to fire all the vms, too?
pete_dushenski: jurov nah, it's just people getting fussed about the theatre
pete_dushenski: it's obvious that airport security is about as meaningfully useful as curtains on a submarine
danielpbarron: what if i'm caught traveling with my private key ascii armored and printed on a sheet of paper? do they even know well enough to ask for a passphrase?
kakobrekla: at this stage they wont check vms as they are pretending to check if device is real device or real bomb only.
jurov: inb4 virtualized bombs
danielpbarron: not that it matters, but telling a passphrase should surely be considered "testifying against yourself"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0003873 = 3.6019 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2015 04:39:24; asciilifeform: decimation: a diddled die of 100 gates in a tiled matrix will do what, exactly ?
pete_dushenski: so the more specific the task of the chip, as is moreso the case with arm then general-purpose cpu, the easier it is to attack
airgapped: asciilifeform: fully agree secure micro does not exists whatever some may claim
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 22:59:43; airgapped: pete_dushenski: working, I specialize in "secure" microcontrolers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9682 @ 0.00040821 = 3.9523 BTC [+]
airgapped: yes they call it secure but I fully agree these are just micros with crypto accelertion
airgapped: trully secure processor does not exists
airgapped: no I have no illusion that secure processor exists
airgapped: the only option is airgapped machine and nothing beyod
airgapped: interest in crypto algorithms and practical implementaitons
airgapped: translating crypto/math into implementaion running on small machines
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2014 22:42:52; asciilifeform: re: raspberry pi: the news item is - a sham
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 21:52:21; asciilifeform: 'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks.
airgapped: asciilifeform: ever looked at VoCore?
airgapped: have one but it also contains bin blobs
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2014 01:19:43; asciilifeform: our friends at ft. meade call this 'NONSTOP'
airgapped: we are running out of options here
airgapped: I have been loking for minimal node for some time but there is no good option it seems
airgapped: what i'm looking for is just a node, wallet is out of scope
airgapped: I'm running it on latest rp but pogo looks like good alternative
airgapped: I will, danielpbarron already pointed out his notes
cazalla: asciilifeform, i read orlov's post soviet lessons.. article last night and my impression is that some of what he predicts relies on suggestion we've passed peak oil, but then i have read elsewhere peak oil has been debunked or that we're not even close to passing it.. can you share thoughts? not much turns up in logs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11515 @ 0.00038955 = 4.4857 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: cazalla it is elementary that if you keep taking out of a sack and never adding, eventually you run out.
mircea_popescu: whetrher you care or not - entirely different discussion.
mircea_popescu: for that matter... it turns out there's not enough rare earths on earth to make an ipad for each person alive.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, whether you care or not would be influenced if you are to run out tomorrow or 100-200 years from now though
mircea_popescu: but once the saudi flood is done, imo that's it, oil will only ever be expensive.
mircea_popescu: you can't run out of carbon, ie, the element. but you can run out of, say, sugar. venus is a fine example.
cazalla: vespene gas actually works well considering what an end game of broodwar looked like once it ran out
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, practically, the peak oil thing is a lot less interesting now that electric cars have been demonstrated than 20 years ago. (dunno if you know, but this has been a fringe theory for > 50, almost 100 years by now)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's not that i'm interested in it (or would understand/appreciate the issue tbh) but it seemed obvious way to poke a hole in orlov's prediction, at least that it might occur in my lifetime anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if you're gonna fuck, might as well make the chick you're fucking in the same go" ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, S.CARS would be pretty cool. a company that a) aspires atmospheric H2, b) fuses it into Li c) which it uses to make car batteries while d) the energy so produced it uses to make the cars and fill them up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not to mention the earth is about 80% nickel and iron by mass.
mircea_popescu: you know, i'd like to read a sf novel which explores a future where technology has re-arranged deep magma of earth into a humongo battery
cazalla: related to running out of something.. techcrunch reports yesterday's bitcoin auction was the last of dpr's coins.. bloomberg quote usms as saying otherwise
mircea_popescu: and the human civilisation is organised around the implicit currency of "Stored joules"
mircea_popescu: cazalla hardest thing for a fraudster is to keep the story straight.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc decade old data, it cost about 2.5-3x as much but obviously you never had to replace anything.
mircea_popescu: people generally went for the "cheaper" solutions that rarely last 5 years
mircea_popescu: some of the cleverer dcs use them bnecause they're so very tolerant. which makes it the best heuristic to evaluate the operational wisdom of any dc.
mircea_popescu: "do you have a basementfull of nife ?" "o yeah! shit rocks" vs "say wut ?"
mircea_popescu: then they run for 4 years and have to replace the batteries, and run for another 2 and there's a lightning strike and have to replace them again. tru story.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be so sure you'll get permits for new development in the us, eithert.
mircea_popescu: and new cars also don't really come with lead batteries.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to imagine the "ban smoking" thing is an isolated incident is naive. no, there's a shitton of these underway, continuously, and generally unreported.
mircea_popescu: "O, you're now advanced enough where you could start some light industry ? fu!"
mircea_popescu: right. the tlp described phenomenon of "oh, this class of medicine is now generic ? guess what, on a review of the data available it turns out it wasn't effective anyway, so we're using Y now instead".
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo that epicscale debacle prolly qntrable.
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mircea_popescu: the demographics of qntra readership as depicted by quantcast never cease to amaze me.
mike_c: apparently we're all asian men 25-34
cazalla: what's behind the push for such things?
cazalla: maybe qntra needs quotas so that 30% of readers are women
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 19:03:35; asciilifeform: 'join our botnet voluntarily, save orphans!'
mircea_popescu: mike_c politically active, politically unafilliated, filthy rich, mostly azn, some caucasian.
mircea_popescu: (in fact it's mostly white with more asian than "normal", which considering the normal is gawker-and-wikipedia dumbternets... )
mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, the demographic that supposedly "doesn'ty exist" and "doesn't matter" and "never wins elections" and so on and so forth.
mike_c: it'll be interesting to see it after another couple 10x bumps
cazalla: what's the other in race demo? jews?
mircea_popescu: but yes, thisd would make sense, with some shitty alt.
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mircea_popescu: btw, anyone put together the "usg will target ammunition rather than small arms" with the "various agencies bought and stored millions of rounds at the beginning of this decade" to come to a "usg will ban ammunition period" thing yet ?
mircea_popescu: as in, they are actually making rounds the future currency ?
mircea_popescu: usg survival plan once shtf ? "well...we got the largest stores of ammo of anyone...so..."
mircea_popescu: apparently the de .5 ap, explosive, incendiary etc rounds are secret on internet.en ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bmg is a machine gun round not a pistol round
mircea_popescu: anyway, the thing is just on the margin : the common "action express" .5 round is generally stopped by a level 3 and always by a level 4 vest.
mircea_popescu: but the ap variant cuts through any practical armor, and generally can be used against lightly armored aircraft as well.
mircea_popescu: it is just about at the tolerance level of a physically elite man.
mircea_popescu: by the time you're shooting this it supposedly no longer matters.
mircea_popescu: anyway, pointless stock. if you can use stocked stuff just get a carbine or something.
mircea_popescu: let's put it the other way : a sharp tungsten tipped .5 round is >20 bux.
mircea_popescu: you can shoot through us style "walls" by ir with it just fine.
mircea_popescu: that trivially ended up pushing against branches etc ?
mircea_popescu: well... once the usd v2.0 pistol rounds thinkg takes form, we can make these :D
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:35:22; trinque: they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:38:28; asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq
mircea_popescu: give it a week and a half of "we can no longer give you free stuff"
mircea_popescu: remember that time when food stamp system ran out of funds, took a three day hiaturs, everyone held their breath ?
trinque: nobody I was talking about collects food stamps
mircea_popescu: that was the equivalent of the mike hearn "let's test bitcoin". the result came out kinda clearly - 9 maybe 10 days. that's it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: would like Francis Underwood if he were a real person.
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assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:41:27; asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i just think you'd admire someone who'd want to completely gut the welfare state
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from boston to nuevo laredo, all the way.
trinque: granted my parents farm might not be the most defensible place, but it *does* produce using about 1850s level tech
trinque: the place even has its own natural gas well, heh
trinque: mircea_popescu: wow, very cool
mircea_popescu: so it may be a case that YOU be thinking of another usa hm ? :D
trinque: mircea_popescu: I want the book on your life someday.
trinque: I'd probably have to learn romanian and read that part of trilema
trinque: asciilifeform: that part does probably rule out the place in particular
trinque: my point was people can produce food
trinque: the gas isn't involved in the food production
trinque: just makes keeping the cows alive easier
trinque: the trucks stop and they still eat, til someone comes for the natural gas
mircea_popescu: thjis idea that the remnants automatically inherit the land is naive. one in ten is my experience.
mircea_popescu: this idea that the remnants automatically inherit a chunk of the future is naive. one in ten is my experience.
mircea_popescu: the reason there even is a remnant in the first place - vz, the collapse - is that they didn't have enough virility in the system.
mircea_popescu: it's not magically sprung up by the end. expect a good half of usg to just lay down and die, just like that.
mircea_popescu: expect the aspirational 20% to murder the rest of the 40% in the process of selecting the half of itself that may go on.
trinque: so the stepdad's ex-mil and well armed/trained
mircea_popescu: and 0% of the "responsibility to govern". if two dukedoms over someone makes clitoris stu, expect nobody to care.
trinque: whatever that's worth in the situation
mircea_popescu: trinque hence "<mircea_popescu> well... maybe his uncle!"
trinque: what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now
mircea_popescu delights in picturing the hordes of "awareness raisers".
trinque: compulsively plugging dead phones into dead outlets over and over
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decimation: asciilifeform: re: gyrojet < lol "recoiless rifle" from your fist? Does the exhaust burn your eye out too?
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:00:46; danielpbarron: i'm probably in the *worst* place to be when this stuff goes down, although asciilifeform's locale doesn't sound very pleasant either
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:10:10; cazalla: the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:24:35; cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:25:02; asciilifeform: trinque: the hypothetical 'mutual assistance' org you suggest would roughly resolve to a 'society for let's we all get filthy rich, and not warren-buffet-usg-rich either, but mircea_popescu-rich'
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:27:52; asciilifeform: i might exaggerate slightly, but at any rate it won't be accomplished by a fella with a day job.
danielpbarron:
http://danielpbarron.com/Avatar_X.txt "On why your comment was removed? Well, you decided to do a slight snide remark and at the same time promote another site. If you had just said: qntra is worth a look. they are more into articles and commentary though. Then you comment would be still there."
danielpbarron: a private thing between me and a moderator of "THE Bitcoin Community on Google+ since 2012"
decimation: danielpbarron: someone uses google+ besides poettering?
danielpbarron: i barely use the thing and i have 1/5 the "views" of Ethereum's page
mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty much dead, goiung the way of te yahoo briefcase or w/e
danielpbarron: if it's dead it's because mods like the one i talked to "remove posts and comments all the time and every single day."
decimation: well, if the numbers above are in the right ballpark, google+ has the population of a county seat in rural kansas
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:26:21; kakobrekla: its anal rape half way only
mircea_popescu: decimation i think you're doing it wrong. ~5mn made posts, of a total > 10bn profiles ?
decimation: yeah upon re-reading the article you are right
mircea_popescu: it just doesn't make sense for g+ to only have a few mn profiles for all the resoureces they poured into it.
decimation: that's around the population of arizona
mircea_popescu: more's the point, even that watsapp spam outfit had 100mn active.
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decimation: yeah but that's a slightly different case right? in the sense that whatsapp enabled cross-platform communications?
decimation has never used whatsapp nor ever plans to
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decimation: but if they are simply piping sms from one network to another, than their 'user count' has the same significance as that which the bum who owns brooklyn bridge can claim
mircea_popescu: their user count has as much significance as princess leia's ex boyfriend count.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:47:26; asciilifeform: if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer.
mircea_popescu: and specifically disused by people serious about their crypto
decimation: asciilifeform: actually you could 'harden' a microcontroller against side channel attacks
decimation: asciilifeform: aye. nor could any amount of 'crypto module software' help
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:55:48; asciilifeform: airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ?
mircea_popescu: i know people who try to write novels. another problem for which the solution can not exist.
mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to behead people after rather than before, you nut you.
mircea_popescu: why then doi you claim to solve a problem through a process through which no solution could be had!
mircea_popescu: explicitly : what is the difference between him making secure crypto arms and you cutting random heads ?
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:41:18; asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 00:01:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments)
decimation: asciilifeform: would you ever voluntarily use a broadcom chip for anything?
decimation: asciilifeform: that's sop in every smartphone that exists
decimation: hopefully one day you will be able to buy your matrix of logic cells from costco to feed into your Mr Fuser
decimation: so prevailing 30 year fixed mortgage rates went from 3.5 to 4.0 in about 2 weeks
decimation: and 10 year treasuries went from %2.1 to %2.25 just today
mircea_popescu: by now every fucking wikipedia entry containing a sum of dollars has to have a "x in 2013 dollars" affixed.
decimation: all this is because usg released a report that said that 30k more people 'have jobs' and wages were flat
mircea_popescu: no, all this because they're not stupid, and would like to not hang.
decimation: which doesn't mean shit for actual economics but means alot for the magic fed decision meter
mircea_popescu: i'm so curious if next mulatoo in chief actually finds a volcker v2.0
decimation: the problem is, if you raise rates to the 18% per annum that real estate prices in new york imply, you quickly find that usg is paying all its tax to debtors
gribble: wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 37 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?
mircea_popescu: but as a theoretical, probably impractical solution. otherwise, 1-2% hikes each quarter for the next 3-5 years would be what a sane cb would do
mircea_popescu: decimation you don;t mega hike it, you put it on a pain plan.
cazalla: mircea_popescu> archive.today thing works fine. <<< i have started to do this
cazalla: well archive.today provides a download of the archive it makes as well
cazalla: (and yes i know that this cannot be 100% trusted)
mircea_popescu: it makes a nice jpg of the page that can be downloaded.
decimation: pay the little people 0% when inflation is well above 10%?
mircea_popescu: when you tell the slavegirl "today, you X this much, and tomorrow X+k, and so forth each day X+nk"
mircea_popescu: "the only thing you know for sure is that tomorrow's going to be worse" = pain plan
decimation: not only will usg be paying all of its tax revenue to debtors, the fed's $4.5 trillion worth of 3% mortgages won't look so good
mircea_popescu: i'm not a miracle worker, i'm a butcher. i don't revive dead cows, i just cut them apart.
decimation: so at 20% rate, usg pays $3.6 trillion in interest per year. current annual tax revenue is $3.1 trillion
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decimation: asciilifeform: now's the time to import euro strange I guess
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation short explanation as to why exactly it can no longer be fixed.
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mircea_popescu: digging up to see which the fuck earl of somerset was pete talking about (i thought that's a duchy), it turns out there's two different 1st earls of somerset : John Beaufort (Gaunt's son, in 1300s) and Robert Carr, in the 1500s.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : the middle german term for a tournament is... butthurt.