asciilifeform: check out the 'tempest' psu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:fork the chain or maintain the historical copy. << third option: make new apparatus, prove idempotence.
asciilifeform: this has more immediate implications than commandeering mere jet factory.
asciilifeform: the tests are a chump tax charged on folks peddling turdware to usg and friends
asciilifeform: which is why that human turd jon callas kept going on and on about how 'real security patches, even against user's will, because updates are the most important thing in security'
asciilifeform: with nothing fancy or crosscompilatory whatsoever.
asciilifeform: note that it died a mostly silent death, buried beneath a torrent of barf from other compiles
asciilifeform: then objdump.
asciilifeform: (NO I WILL NOT manually trim the line lengths of the compiler barf.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the recipe consists of attempting to build it on either of my boxes after patched to fix the integer thing
asciilifeform: ^ this is why i don't get nubbbins` presenting bohemians as mega-example to learn from
ascii_field: as in 'find a use for, assuming they can eat tree bark and build own computer from mud'
ascii_field: perhaps he meant the old meaning of word 'employ'
ascii_field: going purely based on historical example here.
ascii_field: because when hitler says 'funkenstein_ does not get to eat any more, anyone found feeding him will be fed to lampreys' what will funkenstein_ reply ?
ascii_field: nubbins`: but even something like living in a dwelling without the company of strangers is a titanically expensive luxury in most of the world
ascii_field: because rat is as pleased with dumpster as a man would be with sultan of brunei's palaces
ascii_field: nubbins`: understand, i do not know them personally. though i used to keep the company of some people who -ate- from dumpsters
ascii_field: nubbins`: i can name, if i want, a hundred people who live in dumpsters.
ascii_field: trinque: the implications are unsurprising. merely a friendly reminder from usg that anyone in range is fair game to it to rape with a telephone pole, and that - unless you're mircea_popescu, putin, or one of a hundred other folks who can say 'no' and make it stick, all you can do is to wait your turn.
ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred' << their favourite thing is not only to steal lands, houses (who even has these any more) but to freeze bank account and then have fun staying out of the street and the morgue, much less paying attorney
ascii_field: 'I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of
ascii_field: 'any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have engaged in, directly or indirectly, cyber-enabled activities originating from, or directed by persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a
ascii_field: the real solution is iron standard and impalements for violators
ascii_field: and the plague is ancient. it is how usg ended up with its attempts to standardize cpu
ascii_field: but the devil lives in the details. i have on my desk, for example, two nominally-identical microcontrollers which behave - differently.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: think for a minute. not suggesting to run battlefield apparatus -on- emulator. but a place to standardize imaginary machine for cross-compilators.
ascii_field: as in, disk image with compilators, etc ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: compositions ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the result of attempting to build the latest static 0.5.3 on my boxes.
ascii_field: wtf is a 'compassion club'
ascii_field: error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options.
asciilifeform: trinque: the only possible point of comparison is the swiss army knife aspect
asciilifeform: <hanbot> ... it's very pleasant to watch it chew without complaining << half the addiction potential of gentoo right there
asciilifeform: (even if no order. if the complete list can be found anywhere)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... dacha is kinda designed for man wife and girlfriend. << complicated. 'dacha' literally means '[that which is] given.' as in, granted as reward by the king. in soviet times, it was of course not 'given' (except to officials, but even then was not their personal property but more like obama's car.) but for normal folks, the standard was an unheated cabin and the regulation 100 sq. metres of garden.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... kicking around enemy's severed head competition. << aztecs have stone patent.
asciilifeform: often there is even compression.
asciilifeform: it's quite complicated.
asciilifeform: because it's as computronic as any wired protocol
ascii_field: it's a computerized gadget, like pogo
ascii_field: he doesn't belong in any discussion of computer security.
ascii_field: Chillum: why on earth would you spin the gramophone attached to a computer with no os loaded ?
ascii_field: with examples.
ascii_field: and ask yourself the question, when contemplating whether a piece of hardware could have been boobytrapped - what would you, in the place of the enemy, place as the payload ?
ascii_field: Chillum: re: tampered keyboard adapters: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044644 << mandatory reading
ascii_field: (and if you don't have a ps/2 jack you don't have a computer, sorry)
ascii_field: nubbins`: and this is everyone's loss, because i was gonna attempt a proper fix for the orphans thing tonight
ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need a cpu.
ascii_field: Chillum: If one could have cheap hardware with a built in hardware assist qr reader << this is one of the things i disagree with mircea_popescu about. i do not like qr codes. they require a surprising amount of algorithmic complexity and consequently cpu horsepower to decode.
ascii_field: a virginal gentoo box is imho presently the gold standard of non-retarded computing (at least on linux. could argue with openbsd, etc)
ascii_field: 'Recently a retired US general went on television to declare that what's needed to turn around the situation in the Ukraine is to simply “start killing Russians.” The Russians listened to that, marveled at his idiocy, and then went ahead and opened a criminal case against him. Now this general will be unable to travel to an ever-increasing number of countries around the world for fear of getting arrested and depor
ascii_field: in other 'news', week straight of scouring the net for traces of anything even roughly comparable to 'pogo' still being in production -
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this may be necessary if changing compiler type
asciilifeform: last i heard (years ago) there was a court order compelling them to stop chopping
asciilifeform: but because of the implicit transformation from 'item' to 'fabric'
asciilifeform: compared to pilot
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except that the error does not compound.
asciilifeform: this is simpler than it sounds because they are traditionally built in such a way that operator sets desired angle and motors 'bang-bang' with pde dampening until it is achieved
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive << wai wat, was this in-channel? iirc this person simply vanished into thin air without so much as a squeak
asciilifeform: timestamp of the latest incoming bitcoin transation ought to determine the clock time << this promises to be very gnarly and even non-monotonic unless we're very careful
asciilifeform: nanddump is also there
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: these are descriptors for the folks who happily buy faux death rays from feds and imprisoned for life, or ram a gate because the voices commanded it
ascii_field: mircea_popescu, i think it was, had a term, 'pornwatchingcomputer'
ascii_field: i will confess that upon first coming to #b-a i was greatly surprised that any of the folks involved with something called 'bitcoin assets' might have any doubts as to the necessity of ecc given that correct computation of a certain answer -actually means your arse-
asciilifeform: (what's a 'zebra hitler' ? it is this kind of 'historical' work. as exemplified by http://www.pbfcomics.com/209 )
asciilifeform: 'I have had a chance to observe quite a few companies in the U.S. from the inside, and have spotted a certain constancy in the staffing profile. At the top, there is a group of highly compensated senior lunch-eaters. They tend to spend all of their time pleasing each other in various ways, big and small. They often hold advanced degrees in disciplines such as Technical Schmoozing and Relativistic Bean-counting. They are obsess
asciilifeform: Chillum: we routinely 'argue with recordings' of one another. this is how #b-a folk handle the fact that not everyone lives at his computer
asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the uboot fw_xxxx tools are very simple:
asciilifeform: the traditional bitcoind (see code) asked a peer to attempt connect-back on 8333
asciilifeform: because it needs to know when it must attempt upnp and when not
asciilifeform: thing is, this is a little more complicated than appears
asciilifeform: (small machine, example, http://www.hootoo.com/hootoo-tripmate-nano-ht-tm02-wireless-portable-router.html )
asciilifeform: Linux therealbitcoin 3.18.1-therealbitcoin.org #2 PREEMPT Sat Mar 28 22:09:20 EDT 2015 armv5tel GNU/Linux
asciilifeform: and custom si doesn't imply 'set in stone' necessarily
asciilifeform: or dos port would have been simple.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: missing any kind of i/o scheduler, or, more importantly, task slicer
asciilifeform: doesn't nuke the compiler though, iirc
asciilifeform: incl. compilers.
asciilifeform: 'heavy metal case' is not the same as 'tempest shield' regardless of appearances
asciilifeform: vs the bizarre kabuki thing that i never imprinted on
asciilifeform: enormous compared to the tiny jeweler's saw i'm accustomed to
ascii_modem: but yeah for uniquely impoverished archs there is mmuless linux
asciilifeform: deadly simple
asciilifeform: my understanding is that 'read-disturb' is largely temporary.
asciilifeform: other than 'it exists' and 'commercial nand flash controllers compensate in proprietary ways' (l0l yes)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read measures charge. high-impedance circuit, so 'bubble' isn't moving
asciilifeform: http://www.kandbnews.co.uk/bathrooms/just-out/saniflointroduceslim-linemaceratorpump#.VRb5NnW9_fs
asciilifeform: nubbins`: please consider using a real computer, or if you must crapple - a vm
asciilifeform: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Bathroom-Anywhere-Macerator-Pump-120-Volt-38724-0/202217665 << l0l!! >> 'Ideal for basements, man-caves,...'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: interesting observation is that the 'friedcat algorithm' only worked because miners can be let secretly to sit and mine, amplifying the proceeds of that scam
asciilifeform: because it isn't turing-complete
asciilifeform: Chillum: reliable computing is somewhat more than parity calculations. ('voting' protocols, heterogeneous cpus calculating same problem, etc)
asciilifeform: it's either consumer 50 or else spend 5mn. exactly like wines. << mircea_popescu probably did not intend this double meaning, but it is EXACTLY like wines at this point. because the 5mn computer you can get today is not actually any but a cosmetic 'golden toilet' improvement over the 50.
asciilifeform: arm is notoriously fragmented into incompatible turddoms
asciilifeform: trinque: by all means build cross-compiler for your system, but when i put the buildroot thing up it will carry its own
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: old buggered mechanical satas aren't quite as nice, but certainly usable. the thing definitely sources sufficient amps for them
asciilifeform: Chillum: pretty much everyone reading this has fiber to the grounds and a crate of small computers, just as happenstance
asciilifeform: Chillum: even this - improvement. because you control the keys.
asciilifeform: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solutions/Markets-Products/Residential/Safety-Security_Window_Films << the 'break-in attempt' film is a mega-l0l
asciilifeform: in the linked example, no one had to even build a second box - original opened and closed undamaged.
asciilifeform: make them secret << the only tamper-evident concept worth anything is the kind only evident to the intended recipient.
asciilifeform: you get a 'goodyear blimp'
asciilifeform: ultimately doesn't need to be any more complicated than a typical 'pNohe'
asciilifeform: in the end, products like this will have to ship either 1) by charter courier and/or 2) with tamper-sensitive omnidirectional video/audio/gps/inertial nav recorder
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it is intended for pretty much anything -but- mpex
asciilifeform: <Chillum> ... Can they be hooked to a serial port? << if you are thinking of the rng discussed in last week's thread (a component of cardano, not yet released machine) it is an analogue device with a ttl schmidt trigger out
asciilifeform: http://upstart.bizjournals.com/companies/media/2015/03/12/guardian-takes-back-claims-news-report-on-whisper.html << slightly out-of-date mega-l0l. 'guardian' forced to retract piece exposing egregious chumpatron
ascii_field: danielpbarron: aside from the nondeterminism and potential for random db corruption, the bastards thing makes it entirely impossible to use the otherwise perfectly adequate 32M machines
ascii_field: i, for example, only need to cycle power to the 'pogo' to test a newly-built turdel.
ascii_field: and how to read the pushbutton and toggle the lamp
asciilifeform: the collaborationists were amply supplied, even with caviar, almost until the end.
asciilifeform: if you start conducting anti-usg commerce there, your immediate vicinity will eventually get slightly less empty.
asciilifeform: the absolute innermost circle of hell is the company of other -poor people-
asciilifeform: (just as example)
asciilifeform: the output is a kernel and a rootfs (in 'turdel', deliberately baked into one binary to simplify testing)
asciilifeform: decimation: this will make, e.g., setting static ip, impossible
asciilifeform: normal box has at least the entropic component of cpu vs real time clock frequency drift.
asciilifeform: decimation: depends what is meant by 'employees'
asciilifeform: decimation: and afaik he never followed any analogue of 'ascii_field can talk and i will say if it was an impostor yesterday' principle
asciilifeform: i don't see the fear component here
asciilifeform: the damage from tsarnavev & tsarnaev was roughly comparable to a small 'pile up' wreck on the highway.
asciilifeform: i mean, sachs thinks they're part of the same chumpatron, yes
asciilifeform: of bitcoind, for example.
asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ?
asciilifeform: (i don't like dhcp myself, for example)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not unlike the 'playstation' supercomputing clusters and sony's response
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'll summarize for the impatient. according to sachs, snowden heap was lifted. but under cia (his original and actual employer) direction. and then carefully selected.
asciilifeform: and that details of -specific- compromises, clearly apparent from context in some of the docs, were scrubbed
asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile to real dissidents. For example, Assange grossly insults anyone who does not believe the absurd US gov story about 11 Sep 2001 - which no serious person believes. Assange insults the thousands of architects, engineers, US military and intelligence veterans, who continually describe how the 'official story' is a fraud. '
asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)
asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist.
asciilifeform: ity. The central role of the US judge-lawyer mafia, is the reason over 1 million Americans have become lawyers in what is the developed world's most abusive, corrupt legal system. Though many American lawyers are now unemployed or low-income, they often became lawyers in the first place, because they hoped for at least a junior role in the US courtroom mafia, with a licence to steal the wealth of others.'
asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'
asciilifeform: this simply means the bicolor is on
asciilifeform: but that normally doesn't get you past the kernel jump-in
asciilifeform: (not as simple as merely disabling it in config, 'buildroot' is very particular re: how it reads layers of configs)
asciilifeform: a 'rembrandt' here is simply an analogue bitcoin.
asciilifeform: (and no, it is not available in any format other than pdf, nor is it remotely readable if put through garbage compactor and turned into text, fucking deal with it)
asciilifeform: not sure if the test was ever attempted in a 'serious' wine country
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i guess some folks don't own vacuum pumps ?
ascii_field can probably implement it in less time than building linux 3.18 took
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get this. but we're dealing with a fundamental case of amplification attack.
ascii_field: 'We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them. Due to some business changes, we want to move the machines around the shop floor to reconfigure our machining cell however as we've done more research, we've found that there is a small board in the electrical panel of the machine that houses a gyroscope so that if the machine is moved/tilted,
ascii_field: 'my targeting computer was programmed not to fire at usg'
ascii_field: but simply 'we can move these at zero cost to us and ours if we want to, so don't bother shooting at them'
ascii_field: nubbins`: i proposed a very simple one
ascii_field: this is a very bad assumption
ascii_field: implies that these can be told apart from others
ascii_field: and where mircea_popescu wakes up and says 'now the machine is 1000x more complex, needs to know what wot is'
ascii_field: or emplacing own turd there
ascii_field: likewise physical delivery is expensive. (witness kakobrekla's attempt to buy so much as one pogo and still have it 'feel disposable')
ascii_field: (the vendor is selling a loss-leader, hoping to attract chumps to its 5/mo. 'cloud' crapolade)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the implication is that various internals are accessible, and flow can be stopped
asciilifeform: (i for one will happily jump with the parachute i packed for self. but my carcass isn't worth especially much)
asciilifeform: that is, one which (or, even better, its subcomponents) can be ran in lockstep with another nominally-equivalent program
asciilifeform: that is, the same crosscompiler it builds, that builds kernel etc. will also build bitcoind and its deps
asciilifeform: 'buildroot' is this mega-automaton for building cross-compiled os for routers and the like
asciilifeform: thought yours might have had a button under the lamp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall how it has a gigantic seedlist consisting of mostly corpses, compiled in ?
asciilifeform: it is also of great importance to blink the correct colour led!
asciilifeform: the one ingredient that is still needed, that i have not attempted at all, is the formatter
asciilifeform: this is amply enough to work from
asciilifeform: ... and promptly panics
asciilifeform: (the extra mass in the config was actually from building every possible module. which went into the rootfs and had no impact on the kernel proper)
asciilifeform: must use cross-compiler
asciilifeform: hangs on jump into kernel.
asciilifeform: building for arm922t which, as far as i can tell, marvell is compatible with.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: specified toolchain for possible cross-compilation
asciilifeform: now trying to find which of the 5 supported marvells is actually compatible with kirkwood
asciilifeform: 'This might be unduly harsh, but if Atomwise can do what they say, why are they on Ycombinator? Pull up to a big pharma, ask for some minimally proprietary data, and let the computers go to work. It'd be like printing winning lottery tickets.'
asciilifeform: 'Withstanding zero-day attacks in userspace' << by definition impossible
asciilifeform: hint to others: NEVER 'make clean' on a working buildroot cross-compilation tree
asciilifeform: lol, CONFIG_SERIAL_MPSC_CONSOLE
asciilifeform: <jurov> these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening << jurov has it, unfortunately. we are in the jungle still.
ascii_field: transmitted a few bytes with small variations in surface temp
ascii_field: nubbins`: them's chumps paying
ascii_field: doesn't cost any less than a normal computer
ascii_field: judging only by the photo, the electronic components are in
ascii_field: 'It is my aim to set a new high-water mark for transparency in parameter generation. To that end, all of these values are nothing-up-my-sleeve numbers which I generated by singing the Bohemian Rhapsody backward with my dog barking in the background, digitizing the audio as an MP3 at a bitrate of 192kbit/s, and taking every 17th byte of the result. Their integrity can easily be verified by repeating this procedure.'
ascii_field: 'Shows how this backdoor can completely pervert the security guarantees provided by the TLS protocol... even the presence of a single CA certificate with a secretly embedded backdoor in the certificate store would render the entire TLS security fictional...'
ascii_field: 'Provides a working implementation of a backdoor embedded into the RSA modulus of a Certification Authority public-key certificate and the code for a minimalistic client and server communicating over a TLS channel:'
ascii_field: used as part of an implementation of IPSec over IPv6 in a resource constrained IP stack. In such a case, under normal operation the library will perform properly, interoperating with other IPSec aes-ctr hosts. But when it is triggered by a forged ICMPv6 packet it will lead to a full plaintext reveal. Another forged ICMP packet will restore the conforming behavior so that normal packet retries will mask the improper
ascii_field: 'The library implements the AES block cipher in CTR mode and for the most part behaves as it is described in almost all circumstances it would normally be used in. Notably it passes all the FIPS and RFC test vectors for AES encoding and can interoperate with openssl. The library can be used in most any application where AES is needed and will behave appropriately. The library becomes exploitable specifically when it gets
ascii_field: even something as simple as dram is not, in practice, usable without the 'hard' blocks
ascii_field: mats: the way the story normally ends is that the reversed fpga becomes quasi-usable nearly the same time it goes out of print and replaced with incompatible version...
ascii_field: nubbins`: very different from the populist chumpatron, though
ascii_field: 'Recent revelations show that the situation has gotten so bad that today there are only approximately 3000 apps profitable enough to support a median income of $50k for their developer. It is also important to note that not all apps are built by one developer, many work as a team. So it follows that there are many fewer than 3000 developers sustainably doing independent development.'
ascii_field: mats: your phrase 'avoid all crypto standards' is very much -not- the inevitable implication of dismissing usg crapolade
asciilifeform: i'll emphasize that it isn't a 'won't work in the cold' so much as 'entropy relying on sram effects degrades ungracefully'
asciilifeform: and then i will question the loyalty and competence of the torturer.
asciilifeform: mats: let's put another example. if you are found holding a smoking pistol, with $famouspolitican in a bloody heap on the floor where he was not long ago giving a speech - do you suppose the judge would believe that you drew the pistol and pulled the trigger by accident, while reaching for another object in your pocket ?
asciilifeform: it has to do with the impossibility of knowing intent
asciilifeform: once you amputate your vestigial 'this can't be true' organ, you are left with only your understanding of the physical world to go on
asciilifeform: mats: see the old thread re: malice and incompetence
asciilifeform: from anywhere in the usg empire.
asciilifeform: in the sense that if you kidnapped a generic american undergrad, chained him in a cellar, and didn't let him out until he reads the snowden dumps and craps out a deck of 'plausible' canadian slides, the result is likely to be something like the above.
asciilifeform: (i don't knowingly participate in chumpatrons and hence haven't and won't be buying fiat stocks at 10-20bux/trade)
asciilifeform: y or implicitly, that one should side with the big man against the little man. Most of what is now written about foreign policy is simply an embroidery on this theme...'
asciilifeform: 'No wonder foreign husbands often complain about Japanese women suddenly transforming from sweet and cute girlfriends into shufu professional housewives emotionally and physically distant from their husbands and fully devoted to their children and home.' << dependopotamus (TM) !
asciilifeform: the 'correct' solution is probably ir lamp.
asciilifeform: (appears in one of the photos linked earlier, displaying supply voltage and current consumption of rng)
asciilifeform: Adlai: anyway, what i was saying was that it was once not uncommon for components to be measured before placement. but guess what, in modern world this is 'unnecessary' we're told.
asciilifeform: (for those innocent of the thing - it was simply a box with battery, and tipped with a small carboniferous fork. stick the fork on solder ball, it melts...)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but -looks- impressive, yes
asciilifeform: just wondered why computing gets the treatment.
ascii_modem: brb buying compressor hose (srsly)
ascii_modem: waveform composited onto signal
ascii_modem: somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY. << ample precedent, e.g., 'macrovision'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i formed this impression because i do not know the actual truth of the extent of collaboration between gavin et al and satoshi pre-phoundation
ascii_field: resistant to solvents, oils, and temp up to 400C
ascii_field: 'the goal or problem is not stinking of shit, without having to use a toilet, without having to wear diapers, just plain and simple not stinking of shit'
ascii_field: Adlai: diddling a single routine to always return false << only if the implementers were morons
ascii_field: danielpbarron: well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP << only half the story. before long, it won't print on printer, or even display on display.
ascii_field: Adlai: http://nosuchlabs.com/prod << the maths engine is actually using boring old gmp -- same as gpg's
asciilifeform: of them have explained exactly how it works or what information is conveyed. No law requires printer companies to help track printer users this way, and no law prevents them from stopping this practice or giving customers a solution to avoid being tracked.'
asciilifeform: (re: 'images that fool computer vision')
asciilifeform: are the legal 'hempseeds' found in hippy foods somehow inactivated ?
asciilifeform: hence you can use pre-tempered whatevers (car axles, etc.) and go straight to $weaponpart
asciilifeform: electrolysis doesn't give a flying fuck about temper
asciilifeform: and good post-metalwork process (temper)
asciilifeform: those - imported.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100% same as afghan campaign '03-present
asciilifeform: it is worth asking what usg would be trying to accomplish with fedcoin
asciilifeform: the people I would trust to keep my money for me are...well..not likeable at all << obligatory: my original review of MPEx.
asciilifeform: 'In fact, I rather suspect that GPG will fade away as other implementations gain currency. It's old, crusty, built from barely readable source code, license terms inhibited, and maintained by people with a pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy (e.g. API and UI design)' << mega-l0l. thing is, in a way the fool is right, it 'faded away' the same way common lisp did. which is t
asciilifeform: other than, arguably, satoshi, which is WHY his disappearance is so important << what would a picture with a living satoshi look like ?
ascii_modem: import live and shoot stateside, skin.
asciilifeform: is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zuse's computer
asciilifeform: wasn't trying to describe a management method, but simply banal observation that kepler's day job (forget mine) is to be counted on the -sad- part of the ledger
asciilifeform: this is why trying to show more objective example
asciilifeform: so they didn't really need computer.
asciilifeform: guess herr zuse didn't know how to both invent first computer -and- self-support
asciilifeform: but going back in archives, i am perpetually astonished at what was accomplished by men who never saw not only computer but plastic bag.
asciilifeform: didn't say computer was entirely useless
asciilifeform: the occasional impalement also helps