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ascii_field: exes were sinking kingdoms and empires since t=-inf
ascii_field: and then the holes in the implementations...
ascii_field: why mircea_popescu so impatient.
asciilifeform: the current item was the simplest/most-kalashnikov
asciilifeform: (idea was that scarcely anyone survived, and so would-be miscreants were tempted with reduced terms with proviso that if they return, they get to kill somebody)
asciilifeform: cazalla: was to be a complicated l0l re: 'red' indians
asciilifeform: because was under the impression that mircea_popescu lacked for desperadoes, good shootouts, etc. in b-a rather than gurlz
asciilifeform was also under the impression that mircea_popescu already flies in females as necessary for terraforming martian colony
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm still puzzled as to how importing female ua would replenish the missing supply of (somehow) necessary orcs
asciilifeform: decimation: and the nearer to d.c. swamp, the more so, yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: import ukraina l0l
asciilifeform: competent robbers go where there is something to steal ?
asciilifeform for example lives in 90+% south american street
asciilifeform: in the general case, both - predictable. like the example of orlov's bridge falling into the river. (eventually the whole thing is underwater. but when?)
asciilifeform: which will, naturally, follow 'federal equal opportunity employment' etc.
asciilifeform: mega-posh campus, incidentally
asciilifeform: luded nautical charts and drawings showing the route to be followed in laying the cable. The War Department issued its permit Number 2845 on September 8, 1930. Thereafter, United States Customs advised that inspections of the cable tank buildings, additional permits and the payment of duties were required in addition to a warehouse bond for the importation and storage of surplus cable.'
asciilifeform: 'President Hoover signed a permit to lay cable in the territorial waters of the United States on June 17, 1930. The Cuban-American Telephone and Telegraph Company, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Bell Telephone Company, accepted responsibility for the work under this permit and filed it with the State Department in Washington D.C. The Division Attorney applied for a War Department Permit on August 9, 1930. The application inc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%A6%D0%A1%D0%A2-R1000 << mega-l0l. claimed to be employed in ru missile &amp; crypto gear. sparc v9 clone. manufactured 'in small parties of a few tens of examples per month.'
asciilifeform: i must note that the firm has a lengthy history of chumpatronic shenanigans
asciilifeform attempts to find the docs, turns up nothing but marketing crud
asciilifeform: it is how they dump inventory
asciilifeform: gotta want 100,000 examples of it.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm merely trying to divine whether they export these buggers after all, or - as i suspect - the examples turning up in ru were hand-carried to the street market
asciilifeform: goatfuckers with chinese imports by the gigatonne. hence question.
asciilifeform: unless intel pulls a microshit-apple and keeps it on life support as token competitor
asciilifeform: but what i see is the complexity buck being passed
asciilifeform: one of 1,001 flavours of lipstick folks attempted to make the unix pig fuckable with.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://rumpkernel.org << see for yourself.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: more broadly, the removal of complexity layers
asciilifeform: this is a prime example of mircea_popescu's 'death by meta'
asciilifeform: !s rump kernel
asciilifeform: also we did 'rump kernel' here
asciilifeform enjoyed the original erlang book, but did not enjoy attempting to write in it
ascii_field: trinque: tx imports nothing from rest of usa ?
ascii_field: trinque: it also means that if you're on the throne, you gotta pander to derps to some extent - because this is implicit in ruling a naturally-occurring herd containing both halves of the 'bell curve'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'year zero' where there isn't maxint lines of existing legacy crud that spews ten quintillion profiler errors - is why the 'culture' thing is less impressive than it sounds
asciilifeform: because came up with it in the dark, used chewing gum, knife, remains of his parachute straps, and bones of travelling companion to build it.
asciilifeform: (not really problem, as such, unless one made catastrophic mistake in empetting)
asciilifeform: they built phree charging garages in key chump habitats in usa
asciilifeform: so far it seems to add up to a 80% re-implementation of the proper wot out of toothpicks and tape.
asciilifeform: try to answer this one compactly, it should be answerable. who composes the whitelist ?
asciilifeform: whitelist composed by whom? kim jong un ?
asciilifeform: in the sese that random schmuck driving 'uber' has no paperwork, no pensions, no unemployment insurances, cannot sue for anything, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu> sort-of like impromptu dentistry << big business in the turd world (of which usa is properly considered - a part)
ascii_field: it is so that idiots can use 1,001 incompatible encodings for their hieroglyphs
ascii_field: many interesting observations could be written re: the echonomy; taxonomy of chumps (free-range vs corralled, etc.) and the like
ascii_field: again, this is a very preliminary thing. i strongly encourage others to attempt replication.
ascii_field: it is 95% amputation
ascii_field: mod6: now, as far as i can tell, it doesn't jam up the attempted static build
ascii_field: 'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter". The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others. There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains. If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you might get the impression that they
ascii_field: i will add, for interested readers, that mccarthy's garbage collection (and other items) 'did not count' for the same precise reason why mpex 'does not count' to american muppets, and in general why the annoying kid who 'throws the curve' and sends entire classroom of imbeciles to the bottom of the sea, is decreed to 'not count.'
ascii_field: the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building
ascii_field: cn never really invented 'history' in the euro sense (of at least attempting de-mythologized recordkeeping)
ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
ascii_field: u.s. became the kind of inscrutable and thoroughly-dysfunctional beast we know today partly through the '50-'60s preoccupation with mindgames and 'programmatory' psychochumpatronics, where 'they must not realize they are servile' was the mandatory algo
ascii_field: then rewrote with gmp (what gpg uses)
asciilifeform: ' President Perón envisioned that a benefit of setting up an aviation factory in Argentina would be to introduce production standards comparable to world-class manufacturing facilities. However, Tank realized that production tools and jigs were not feasible at this stage and relied instead on essentially hand-built examples.' (pediwikian l0l)
asciilifeform: <decimation> asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request? << the sks servs dump, but in this mega-blob format where you get ~25MB of continuous gpg binary packet
asciilifeform: https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current << l0l, apparently there is a real-time one.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you gotta restart it for the changes to take. you can also make a spare copy of it to run locally, it is simple enough.
asciilifeform: the academia racket does create a superficial chumpatronic appearance that some folks are 'paid to think'
asciilifeform: for the record, when i first encountered green ('07 ?) i definitely had sympathy for the 'someone ought to pay me to think, fuck the world' thing, until i figure out what she intended to 'think' -about-
asciilifeform: tbh weizenbaum is in no sense the originator of the 'mega-computerized bureaucracy will crush all souls' meme
asciilifeform: ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason'
asciilifeform: decimation: the realization that software and computing in general as it exists is deeply and profoundly retarded, dawned on many people
asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all
asciilifeform: how about a simple 'we don't have it, but you can get it from .... ' ?
asciilifeform: but it is important to remember that 'keys' (in the customary sense) are indexed by the (garbage) hash of the -whole key- rather than fp - because it is actually subkeys that have fp's, rather than 'keys' (as in, what folks typically paste in)
ascii_field: danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0
ascii_field: simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use.
ascii_field: ^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all.
asciilifeform: t. dalrymple (see logs) had many wonderful stories of his patients (he was a prison shrink for some years) who saw police, judges, etc. as malevolent martians persecuting them 'for no reason at all'
asciilifeform: to chimp (of whatever colour upholstery) his surroundings merely 'happen' to him, they are 'given', yes.
asciilifeform: j. carter promised to 'reveal' aliens at 'area-51' in his campaign.
asciilifeform: i consider a box without ecc and some level of redundant storage - a toy, not computer
asciilifeform: any more than an expert swimmer is by implication a boat.
asciilifeform: sure, but that's a trivial example
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some time, i've wondered about earliest surviving example of shannonizer
asciilifeform: 'voluntary-compulsory', to borrow a sovietism
asciilifeform: but afaik most veblenism comes from misguided attempts to sate #1-4.
asciilifeform: why ben_vulpes is sitting in an empty shop ?
ascii_field: unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each
ascii_field: probably sikorsky is better example
ascii_field: except - sometimes, the sane - to the camps.
ascii_field: ashtrays, lampshades, aha
ascii_field doesn't expect to be taken prisoner alive, but wishes mircea_popescu a jolly good meinkampfing
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ... consider rewriting the history of the world from the only sane perspective : as the endless "interplay" between two types of people : the sane, and the imperceptibly mentally ill << nietzsche, or, far better, limonov
ascii_field: imperceptibly ?! l0l
ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too
ascii_field: my fave abuse: самшит (Buxus sempervirens) ~= 'someshit'
ascii_field: but, for example, ebay may well become the only practical source for amd cpu where i live, once amd finally sinks
ascii_field: esp. when the rare things in question are not 'collectible' idiocies but obscure components
ascii_field: ebay was an improvement on the latter.
asciilifeform: decimation> asciilifeform: more on ada: http://www.adacore.com/academia/universities/ < the list of us universities has a conspicuous absence of 'popular' tech schools << 'where used' is by far the least appealing aspect of ada. as for 'where taught', the answer is largely nowhere. the kind of thinking implied by ada is a -culture- that has to be imparted.
ascii_field: considering that previously, this thing wasn't even on a computer in the usual sense - this is a major step forward.
ascii_field: incompatibility b/w 2.7 and 2.6
ascii_field: and naturally will dump db in
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: when i pump it in!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> the computer's job is NOT to be the fucking master, and make its own decisions a la windows. the computer's job is NOT to be a solipsistic retarded geek and just do its own thing like anal children do ... the computer's job is to be a most humbly abject slave, perpetually and consumatedly on its knees following you around, with the dedication and unwavering insistence no dog can summon << obligatory http://ww
asciilifeform: computing collapsed under own weight.
asciilifeform: not that computing wasn't invaded, but this is rather like the popular ru explanation for fall of ussr
asciilifeform: <Adlai> never trust a man with no last name << there's a fella in '80s theoretical comp sci, worked on parallel systems iirc, who was known as simply 'arvind'
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> the problem here is that we're regressing to the past (srsly, the varnish adventure is so reminiscent of "dos utilities" scene it bleeds) but with much more powerful tools and with much more societal dependency on them. << lamport's article on brokenness+helplessness leading to return to 'voodoo' methods (electronic homeopathy, sympathetic magic, all the way to prayer healing)
asciilifeform: TomServo: check out the pogoplug netbsd saga for one example.
asciilifeform prescribes a dose of 'computer defender' ( http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/compdef.png )
asciilifeform: on normal computer.
asciilifeform: simplest possible thing
ascii_field: and more importantly, wtf should i have to care
ascii_field: trinque: my opposition to git et al as canonical representations is because they have -any- 'behind the scenes' components.
ascii_field: (diff does not offer a simple way to say 'deleted whole file')
ascii_field: why? because we have a little problem with vermin, in computing
ascii_field: davout: if uncompressed - very much so
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: one way to look at it is that division of labour never really happened in computing. to the useful point where you can actually safely hand something off to a pro. instead, we're all in a situation not unlike that ru doctor in the polar expedition who had to self-appendectomy
ascii_field once wrote a forth to brainfuck compiler
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there is probably enough accumulated anger of this kind among computer users for two or three classy genocides
ascii_field: guess based on samples i collect personally
asciilifeform: anyone who reads the code will probably lean to agreeing with my take on this, which is that this is one of the 1,001 things which is not happening as a simple patch
asciilifeform: and other thing is, clients have tremendous incentive to drop mempool tx that is an obvious non-candidate for block
asciilifeform: mempool is a fart in the wind
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm crapping out a rhymetranslation just for you, compadre
ascii_field: presumably the 'unit cost' is what the components actually cost. rather than the usual amortized nre, etc. which honest people include in such a figure.
ascii_field: [4] https://goodcrypto.com/redirect-offsite/https://eternally[SNIPPED]/wget.exe << l0l re: idiots serving up winblows exe to chumperz
ascii_field: because they are mainly concerned with simple internal cattle management
ascii_field: 'When we tried wget, it detected errors, retried, and finally succeeded. It said the error was a bad length field in a TLS packet. That didn't make sense at first because we thought TLS packets were error corrected by TCP.' << incidentally, i am not certain that i agree with the author's conclusion ('reverse heartbleed'.) it may very well be an attempt to exploit other braindamage in http stack
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the thread concerned a conversation we had at c3 about a hypothetical profession of 'computer sommelier'
asciilifeform: attempted to solve, even.
asciilifeform: <jurov> maybe the only difference is computer science was constructed from mathematical (or not very mathematical, like strings) ideas ... << the notion that computing machines, as presently constructed, have some direct connection with what maths folks did in the 1930s is nebulous at best. even if commonly believed
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> other than that, aglass of water is a computational machine << in the same sense as a fart, or even two electrons whizzing by in vacuum, are a computing machine. us earthlings are interested, for this reason, in -programmable- computators.
asciilifeform: aha context must've been a comparison with fiat?
asciilifeform: and "anyone and everyone being able to have a bitcoin wallet" << l0l, no computer needed, aha
asciilifeform: ^ speaking of which, is anyone going to splatter out the c3 conversation re: computational sommeliers here ?
asciilifeform: rather than computers
asciilifeform: partly because perl proggies tend to be 'throw-aways' and absolve the author of the burden of actually carrying anything through to completion or (horror) supporting
asciilifeform: seems like we've achieved a great many of these, in the computer...
asciilifeform: as per l. lamport's essay
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure the example you cited is immunological
asciilifeform: ea how far into the process you got or how much of an incomplete task was actually performed. in my view, serious programmers don't deal with tools that _force_ them to hope everything works.' -- herr naggum who else
asciilifeform: (will note, for completeness, that this won't fly on, e.g., embedded chip with 32kB. but most of the usual suspects aren't stuck on one such)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: concept alluded to was 'fits in head.' i suppose this is a good time and place to note that it can be accomplished in three basic ways: a) small system b) big head c) powerful hydraulic press
asciilifeform: the vacuum pumps (all stages) appeared to be built into the cabinet, however.
asciilifeform: (if computing is any guide of the quantity and sheer vomitrous power of fecalia people can be persuaded to swallow)
asciilifeform: (their local version of nsa is so impoverished that '80s-grade castrato keys must be used. the only way to achieve this is custom winblows code, rather than microshit's normal crypto api even. hence activex/exploder mandate.)
asciilifeform: said: 'you should have attempted them'
ascii_panama: it isn't simply about this particular instance of resistance though
ascii_panama: these differences are not unimportant.
ascii_launchpad: (from when it was mostly clear, to dijkstra et al that -this- would come, to, well, when the symptoms became impossible to ignore for anyone half awake)
ascii_launchpad: because it is not physically possible to breed and teach needleworkers fast enough to keep up with a complexity collapse.
ascii_launchpad: 'artist' was going for 'look&amp;feel' compat
ascii_launchpad: 'To build Apache Bigtop, you apparently first have to install puppet3. Let it download magic data from the internet. Then it tries to run sudo puppet to enable the NSA backdoors (for example, it will download and install an outdated precompiled JDK, because it considers you too stupid to install Java.) And then hope the gradle build doesn't throw a 200 line useless backtrace.' << when do we set the biodiesel boilers
ascii_launchpad: 'Consider for example Hadoop. Nobody seems to know how to build Hadoop from scratch.' << no one knows how to recreate a turd 'from scratch' either. though, there was this one 'art installation' fella who tried. had whole synthetic digestion apparatus, looked sorta like a small pharma pilot plant
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes this especially is written for you ^ compadre.
ascii_lander: but important to keep a handle on the picture.
ascii_lander: properly speaking, most of it is a ruin as it is. simply, an inhabited one.
ascii_lander: but scarcely anywhere else among the camps
ascii_lander: ones not 'permissible' - are, to date, impregnable
ascii_lander: !s dumplings
ascii_lander: i would like the ability to shoot them, for example, at any age
ascii_lander: that wall would still be standing if there weren't a 'pepsi' competing reich to poke at it
ascii_lander: it wasn't a public impalement in the proper eurasian tradition
ascii_lander: and that attempting them elsewhere may disappoint, like trying to create doped diamond semiconductor in edison's lab
ascii_lander: williamdunne: pot shots at the police are not compatible with glass-house civilization.
ascii_lander: williamdunne: … if they think they will be met with a chestful of lead they are going to want a little more compensation for doing their job.. << this is part of the process of how we got the 'no-knock warrant.' the next step is, of course, the 'shoot-first' warrant.
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: 'lazy' is not quite the word. imagine you grew up without ever interacting with cars in any way other than jumping out from under the wheels of a speeding semi every other day.
ascii_lander: ben_vulpes: only pointing out that i, for example, would rather eat nagant than raise offspring
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: the one where women in differing parts of cycle were attracted to proximate histocompatibility-pattern males (prefers 'related' during pregnancy) and distant mhc. during ovulation (prefers 'unrelated' to avoid recessive zap)
ascii_lander contemplates the tech level of the junk stores. grew up an orc, yes, but i never touched a fucking gramophone
ascii_lander sat for a while in the tango place after mircea_popescu and hanbot went home, and reread favourite parts in ben_vulpes's copy of 'asylum', and contemplated lessons thereof
ascii_lander: best computerz.
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: whatchatalkingabout, works great. just like the 'noncomputers' running my knives, forks, shoes work great.
ascii_lander: *simply
ascii_lander: cheapest infanticide is simpy: not making'em in the first place
ascii_lander: hence the importance, to the buggers, of nailing down 'no, you don't get to examine or change the fw'
ascii_lander: implications would make for a good yarn
ascii_lander: jurov: that thing is a ru example of the kind of 'public health' idiocy piece often found in usa papers
ascii_lander: 'in the past year we encountered a phenomenon where a well-known synthetic dope was augmented with a new radical, a fluoride group, and the dope acquired the qualities of a chemical warfare compound, which caused an epidemic of deaths (in ru.), said ivanov.'
ascii_lander: did we ever do 'programmer does what prgmogres can, feats quite impossible for man...
ascii_lander witnessed the unheard-of and seemingly impossible, right next to $hotel - a female scrap-hunter
ascii_lander: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-04-2015#1104215 << this is absolutely the complete theory. the thing was garbage, but the only extant illustration of the concept permitted in usaschwitz (possibly for that reason)
ascii_lander: who build the computer you are sitting on? gods?
ascii_lander: and implications thereof
ascii_on_tour: i only even took cab because happily waltzed into opposite compass direction from what was given
ascii_bolivia: specially saved for such occasions, apple box, with contempt
ascii_bolivia: i am almost disappointed at the lack of 'massage' in the airport - even brought special computer, holding no secrets, expecting it to be imaged at the conveyor
ascii_modem: there are 'places' to which usg - while exists as such - simply will -not- go, and where the question can only be re: -which- specific set of sophistries will be made use of to avoid going there
ascii_field: you know, the computer mircea_popescu uses
ascii_field: lobbes: the context is important here
ascii_field: 'The former security director "was 'obsessed' with root kits, a type of computer program that can be installed quickly, set to do just about anything, and then self-destruct without a trace," prosecutors wrote. They went on to say a witness would testify at trial that Tipton told him before December 2010 that he had a self-destructing rootkit.' << 'hands off the specialist toolz, plebe'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but to answer question, my meatspace idiocy filter is simply not as strong as the conceptual one. to ask 'why' is like asking why my legs are not as long as mircea_popescu's
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> and YET you protest the hyena << so i had a quiet and physically clean upbringing. this is who i am. i get that it gives me a short life expectancy, yes. but jumping from cliffs doesn't grow wings, no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: implies a woman-generator that will produce replacement
asciilifeform: to comprehend what nubbins` meant.
asciilifeform: did i misunderstand the implication
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the long-term question is 'can i do something with it and continue to eat.' if fiat world turns sufficiently hostile, the answer, simply based on my pre-existing work here, may be a 'no.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because nubbins` has this incomplete thread with me, re: 'you too can learn to be me'
asciilifeform: much less really contemplated factories
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't even envisioned solution to the problem of escaping the event horizon of the black hole resulting from the idiot's implosion
asciilifeform: and cannot be compared to closed system
asciilifeform: they are supplied externally by mega-empire(s)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fact is, not everyone has the biography, talents, and education of a self-funding deep-cover operative; and physical sovereignty has its uses. it would not take very many 'don dunphy'ings to make #b-a very empty other than for mircea_popescu..
asciilifeform: (yes, aware that we had the 'semiconductor cuckoldry' discussion. it is nonsense if you are contemplating making something genuinely unique)
asciilifeform: example - semiconductor plant
asciilifeform: the fella i'm renting from now, lives on opposite end of continent, and never comes here. he will only bill for holes etc. if next tenant complains about them
asciilifeform: decimation: very easy, actually, but most contracts around here demand that you give 'improvements' to the landlord for free
asciilifeform: i cannot personally jump with that particular parachute from any kind of meaningful height
asciilifeform: when using serious crypto, i employ only rng constructed personally
asciilifeform: mentioned that 'computers were stolen, no sign of break-in, perhaps insider'
asciilifeform: the house across from mine, was emptied by burglars last night.
asciilifeform: which attempts to extract energy from nothing
asciilifeform: felipelalli: you are labouring under the presumption that the ultimate arbiter of truth is that piece of paper
asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate a kind of incorruptible god
asciilifeform: you complain to $official. he says 'fuck you'
asciilifeform: 3) was to be the massive uptake by miscreant chumps, 4 - ???, and 5 - the proverbial 'profit!!11!!'
ascii_field: ^ and yes this doesn't exist because it is not physically possible to implement it as a hard guarantee (why is an exercise for the reader)
ascii_field: it is mostly worthless as presently implemented
ascii_field: funkenstein_> for example, i could check your pubkey and send you coin << you can do that now. create addr, fill it, send over proper pgp
ascii_field will one day complete his mars lander and see alive what 'rich people do'
ascii_field: http://www.linear.com/solutions/5153 << further examples from that vendor. there are others, and it is entirely possible to achieve the effect with discrete components
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: parasitronic thread: http://www.linear.com/solutions/1218 << example
asciilifeform: ru empire was governed this way, since at least peter 1
asciilifeform: decimation: there is a popular anecdote where stalin is said to have visited his elderly mother, who tried to comprehend what he does 'for a living'
asciilifeform: by and large the pretence was an elaborate and - to the amateur, scarcely-comprehensible - mega-kabuki
asciilifeform: chumps had something to pawn, imagine!
asciilifeform: (how is chump supposed to borrow $xxxxxx to fund chumpup if not by pawning house)
asciilifeform: even if this, if chump cashes in his house, usg can seize
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> guy declared "golden helicopter" << i bet savages do believe that an airplane flies on account of some compact talisman contained therein
asciilifeform: but incomplete picture.
asciilifeform: as in, gadget that directly links two machines over simple radio
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a largely complete design for this and 5 other similar items, will confess.
asciilifeform: (for one thing, it is unclear who, precisely owns them, and the contract for their emplacement - iirc - was perpetual, somehow)
asciilifeform: ~50MHz 32-bit (oddball architecture) cpu, tcp/ip implemented in hardware, can address via spi (as in sd card) external eeprom.
asciilifeform: complete with 3d films
asciilifeform: which muppet wrote what - is approximately as interesting, imho, as which nigerian spammer penned which particular spam template.
asciilifeform always feels temptation to snip a letter, 'pubic intellectual'
asciilifeform: everything else re: whores may as well be at nsa in the vaults, as far as my incomplete education is concerned.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i live, at least to the 'street computer shop' level of apprehension, a whore is an abject and usually physically revolting creature who fellates what may well be gorillas for a hit of 'crack'
asciilifeform: so, much as 'software' to naggum et al means something quite other than what it means to the schmuck who goes to the 'computer shop' to buy antivirus etc.;
asciilifeform: http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=815 << original, afaik, example of the principle.
asciilifeform: sorta like the monks who copied geometric tracts without any comprehension at all, or any regard for the actual content
asciilifeform: the 'digital vellum' think is maddening precisely because of the idiot scholasticism implied
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, there was a pretty useful and fairly complete snapshot in the ice. and now i look in the cryostat and find rotting gibblets and alive with flies.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's been introduced to not ever knowing chemistry. << a more or less complete description of most american 'education' on most-any subject today.
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