asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm at the tail end of the necessary cycle, was gonna order the irons this wk, and book the flight -- next, but would first rather find out mp_en_viaje's plan
asciilifeform would rather roll out gossipd, trbi, sane comp irons, etc. ~with~ participation of mp_en_viaje , and with working isp, than w/out. but may have to without, apparently.
asciilifeform: next mp_en_viaje will 'sack' the 30% of piz that snsa owns, an' take smg (the item that functions on proper schedule, like train station, where the employees actually paid and dun slave in saeculum) to heathen isp;
asciilifeform: sooo mp_en_viaje doesn't like running sovok fish counter circa 1991, where there aint any fish. and per the charter, owns in effect 100% of controlling shares, so entirely his decision.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what clues suggest it ?
asciilifeform: lol was maybe 20ln since mp_en_viaje last in
asciilifeform: sovok in the 'rockets & supercomps' sense was born, lived, and died with ~one~ particular physical generation of men
asciilifeform: this model applies moar closely than, i suspect, mp_en_viaje suspects :
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'n1' was built at peak of sovok aeronautics, and on proven tech.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ~0 infiltrants, but plentiful miamiquislings
asciilifeform: among thinking folx in modern ru , 'miami usa' is often derisively referred to as 'valinor' , after the distant land tolkien's elves decamped to when shit hit the fan in their world
asciilifeform: hrusch et al , partook in all of stalin's works, the sexy and the unsexy, and murdered successor, and pinned the 'unsexy' on him, and on the dead emperor, and 'look, western reich, we are civilized folx! let us into miami'
asciilifeform: they believed roughly same thing as such people believe today. that it is possible to do things, and they're worth doing. 'act from principle'(tm)(r)(mp) & so on.
asciilifeform: cuz evidently no one there can design a 1970s-style computer. or even thing about why. why think, why be friends with yer head, when petropayola.
asciilifeform: consider, e.g. the persians. ~gigabux of petroexport, and yet when built fissiles refinery -- it ran on comp from 'siemens' and running winblows 'xp'. why ?
asciilifeform: there might have been people who survived winning lottery, but afaik no empire ever did. 'easy money' -- ruin.
asciilifeform: ( and not merely because of the obvious complication, tho it did not help -- e.g. peter also could not find a second one of himself to put in the throne )
asciilifeform: at the risk of oversimplification -- if not for the corpses, ru today would not be easily distinguishable from india.
asciilifeform: gotta luvv the limba de lemn, as well as the smoke bomb 'ooh it's about broken installations, not factorable moduli, dun listen to terrorists' and 'here's our fix, use our New, Improved, Curated keyserv at ftmea^HH^H^H^Hopenpgp.org' etc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the manticore, was yours, was drawing on your www header, 'mp rides the manticore'
asciilifeform wonders if ordinary hammock too much resembles that rope-and-iron-frames fixator mp_en_viaje described as having built for the pets, and from this can't stomach sitting on it himself
asciilifeform: interesting, esp. for fella who lives in roomtempistan
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: thinking about it, would also like to eventually proclaim the mips tool set as a snsa production. but prolly premature for broadcast.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ch20 ( i expect will wrap on sunday ). and how many ch since last broadcast? 3 i think
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i still recall a time when ~errybody with pc compat 'made' in this sense
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was pretty common for sovok folx, of all stripes such that could afford summer house, to build w/ own hands
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: already 'ended up' . in usa already serious shortage of folx specializing in care of zombies
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mp_en_viaje : incidentally nicotine is iirc muscarinic ~agonist~ , and so suggests that from decline of tobacco comes guess what else
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not the least bit pissed off. simply must point out that to frame as 'they could not stand' is mistake, it aint as if villagers with pitchforks swapped sovok-1 for sovok-2 , or 2 for 3, etc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's rather like to say 'rome couldn't stand what it has built 4 times'.
asciilifeform: i recall at one pt in mp_en_viaje's www there was 'mediocrity -- intelligence wholly consumed by self-preservation' or how it went.
asciilifeform: is how, per mp_en_viaje's norway piece, they end up with 'yesterday's shirts' etc
asciilifeform: they laugh at temp extremes, too.
asciilifeform: afaik the last english periodical for intelligent non-professional who 'friends with his head' , was 'scientific american'. i have a set of these here, 1960-1990. pretty good, but no comparison with e.g. 'kvant'.
asciilifeform: culture-of-literacy was pervasive, and such that is even difficult to describe to the uninitiated today. e.g. virtually ALL manufactured objects of any complexity came with schematics, exactly like e.g. FG today
asciilifeform: admittedly mp_en_viaje grew up in cluj and not in muhosransk. but the general pattern held. in sovok folx collected bottles, newsprint, to trade for buying b00kz.
asciilifeform: they have clubs & all, complete w/ bagpipe
asciilifeform pretty curious whether poland is naodays ~empty-but-for-usg-tank-brigades like baltics, or still populated
asciilifeform: ohai mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that cia selling dope ~in usa~ really is 'employees using office equp. for personal gain', rather than political project. consider, you have fleet of seekrit planes, airstrips, 0 customs inspections, how couldja ~not~ traffic dope )
asciilifeform: it has own idea of 'for where', perhaps. i suspect mp_en_viaje knows moar on subj, might say when wakes up.
asciilifeform: as for the peanut gallery folx, unsurprisingly idjit konsoomer likes to remember 'no jeans' but somehow prefers not to remember the 6 weeks of vacation, rent-free flat, or for that matter the culture of literacy where e.g. publication like 'kvant', with topology, theory of computability, etc. puzzlers , of top quality and for popular! audience
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's approach to sovology is based on simple fact -- we're speaking of folx who ~did things~. and specifically, they (1) went from agrarian shithole, on the level of korea circa 1900s, to industrial power equal to any in europistan ; repelled invasion of ~whole combined 'civilized' world, then built bomb to drive home the lesson for the unteachable (2) ; took concept of space flight from fiction to fact (also largely 2, th
asciilifeform: on top of this, add the fact that sovok was really 4 separate items, as diff. as e.g. roman 'kings' period vs republic vs empire : 1) lenin epoch 2) stalin 3) hrusch 4) 'stagnation' and wrap-up.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc e&y is a carrion-eater, comes to finish off dying corps and feast on corpse
asciilifeform: it'd not surprise asciilifeform if mp_en_viaje said that he still owns acres of buenos aires, on off chance that he ever needs to park some nuke waste somewhere
asciilifeform: simply happens to be a historically popular scheme for shoving packets through a serial line.
asciilifeform: i suspect that 'slip' would suffice for most purposes, and keep the thing simple.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: imho it goes with the 'vhs america'(tm) that these folx moved into, in heads, when moved. and feeding corzine is part and parcel of the 'rent' for living in this fantasy
asciilifeform: and when asciilifeform reminds'em of how they lost most of the pennies they pinched in '90s to jon corzine et al, still dun compute in their crankcases
asciilifeform: iirc mp had a piece re how 'chief erryday biz of socialist state is to dupe subjects into underconsumption'
asciilifeform: ( 'because impressed with his wit' or whatever nonsense )
asciilifeform: ( unlike e.g. mp_en_viaje , wouldn't notice the broken clubs etc )
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje showed up in argentinistan with railcar of green, didn't help any moar than in any other sovok
asciilifeform: appears to be the complete set .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pretty sure you had a piece re how handing out payola to lumpens results in $25 bottle of soda etc
asciilifeform: prolly simple revenge for how folx landing in usa are abused.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my last pass through panama was esp. outrageous, they set up an impromptu baggage & pocket search queue ~on arrival from usa~ for no detectable reason
asciilifeform: naggum actually described, in ~exactly mp_en_viaje's terms
asciilifeform: ohai mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << lol, can't resist to ask, didja file complaint against whole city, for being fulla criminally insane lolcows ?
asciilifeform: nighty night mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i 99% expect it ~will~ get snipped from the asm branch.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom, 'Canonical's decision to cease development of 32-bit libraries in Ubuntu 19.10 "eoan" means it won't support Steam gaming runtime and devs say the Wine compatibility layer for running Windows apps will be little use.'
asciilifeform: afaik it was 'europe's worst shithole' even in 19th c. competed with bucharest.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't resist to ask, why went to oslo ? what's there, other than tomb of naggum ? ( i dun even know where it is, cannot help to either piss on it or to put flower )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may be interested to know that my shell to dulap bumped after 132d. ( for no detectable reason, either on this end or the other )
asciilifeform: rright but who's gonna attempt debug of 50MB closed turd.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: also demanded 'wine', and with in the end same result as mp's 3d card )
asciilifeform: !!up mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919686 << pretty interesting. bvt : i'ma work through these when i finish with keccakism components
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919567 << interestingly, i got his to boot, simply required xor eax, 0x3 where byte addressing used, 1 opcode. (not needed for generic linux built by sane people, but i dun have one yet for mips )
asciilifeform: what can i say, i cannot speak for mircea_popescu , but i have never bought a 'mystery pc' where i have nfi apriori what os to even attempt on it
asciilifeform: notion is to do something about this, rather than simple lament, tho.
asciilifeform: it aint 'ifdefism' if you dun have two incompatible items which purport to inhabit the same vtree.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was able to cut several MB from ye olde gnu mpi (which today lives in diana_coman's 'eucrypt') simply by beheading the #ifdef dec_vax... and #ifdef xenix... etc
asciilifeform: i've seen it, this imperative coad, it consists of 'probe for bug xxxxxx'
asciilifeform: trinque: i gotta say, i cannot picture any legit reason why an ebuild would contain imperative code
asciilifeform: aha, it's moar or less lang-agnostic. but it also is an orc half-implementation of v (attempts to find dependencies, and to check sigs, but for some reason the latter is optional, and the former only quasi-worx)
asciilifeform: otherwise 'all nodes propagate all inputs to all nodes' is a ddos ~amplifier~ .
asciilifeform: afaik 'container' heathenism usually refers to orc attempts at circumventing os lack of static linkage, rather than whole-os in bottle
asciilifeform: empirically easier to work with, when formatted in groups
asciilifeform: ch20 incidentally is 1 of the components for keccak. (after have all of keccak, we have full battlefield rsatron. THAT IS if folx actually bother to read & sign the chs! so far ~no one~ but asciilifeform signed any 2019 ch's... )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919066 i got impression that he was poking stick into anthills, but was not able to discern what stick and what sorta anthill.
asciilifeform: tho even in msdos pc clone era, already 1st 'swallows of spring' of this were visible, i still recall the time of 9000 incompatible sound cards etc
asciilifeform: afaik gcc's 'stack protection' simply consists of extra turd in stack frame, whose presence then is confirmed before a subroutine ret's. microshit, incidentally, has a similar one. BUT iirc they use diff sizes and contents of the turd.
asciilifeform: this gets even lulzier : there is , for instance, 'react os' , an attempt at a full opensores clone of win2k. but does it run even 1 game w/out crashing? guess. cuz 'ohnoez, we won't read leaked' etc, for 9000th time.
asciilifeform: i.e. exact preview of the 2013 'movie', where the nsa radiobugism docs leaked, and yet somehow still 'why wouldja want emshielded comp, paranoiac'. or heartbleed , and then somehow still 'openssl is standard, shuddup and Don't Write Own Crypto(tm)(r), terrorist'
asciilifeform: ( even moar outrageously, the actual msdos 6.22 sores leaked ~fully 20 yrs ago~ and devs of 'dosbox' opensores emulator ~still~ afaik use dr-dos/pc-dos 'mostly' compatible, entirely uninformed from the leak... )
asciilifeform: still req's slave empire. simply, slightly moar evenly distributed.
asciilifeform: sovok vessels in particular were designed with very heavy reliance on cheap manual labour on board. simply to load torpedo took iirc 4 men. and to steer, no fewer than 4, etc.
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, the yacht asciilifeform personally took a ride on (for uninteresting saecular biz reasons) was a 1600 h.p. item.
asciilifeform: esp. in a bananistan where 20-30% import tax on just about anyffin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did it stop being thing ? i went to boatyards, saw ~0 empty spots, lotsa boatism
asciilifeform: incidentally, while on subj -- and i did even try to warn pete -- folx who abuse fg as 'collectible stamp' set themselves up for hurt, unlike patek etc thing is quite deliberately designed to be simple to replicate, lacks any form of serial numeration etc, and the only tests are for mechanical correctness, where all units built to spec pass, whether orig by asciilifeform, or by zimbabwe, or martians.
asciilifeform: oblig typical pete_d_ism, ftr. 'That simply crossing paths with an aristocratic family in my own backyard...' 'this was the heirloom quality family from TLP’s Patek Philippe ads...' etc
asciilifeform: perhaps asciilifeform oversaturates the colours, here, but i blame pete_d and his type for the fact that yes you can buy a diamond-encrusted ipnoje for 200k but you cannot buy a fits-in-head comp even for 200mil.
asciilifeform: quite typical, imho, example of the pathologies described by tlp. 'if i buy this 8th rolex, will finally feel like Troo Elite' etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even ~here~ one has to go to certain places, where the lumpens are found, to see'em.
asciilifeform: grown man burns ~1k/d, iirc, simply breathing.
asciilifeform: incidentally old man solzhenitsin typical, btw, example.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'beetle man' doesn't work to impress, why would he, clitler personally anointed, see, him with the holy oils
asciilifeform: nao otoh last week i saw a slug that was fully 4x the size of his slugbrethren. nao, ~that~ impressive. but this, what is there to be impressed by.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik was simple plug-in replacement for the old relation b/w the royalty and the church
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in dept. of wtf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mpofb/?raw=true
asciilifeform: re upstack >> anyone using one of asciilifeform's kernels can use simple cure : echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_sack
asciilifeform: incidentally imho for almost any non-crypto application like the above, the FG 1GB demo turd would prolly suffice with plenty left over
asciilifeform: it's an actual problem, and incidentally was quite obv. even prior, in ye olde warez-apocalypse days. simply happens that all the would-be 'solvers' gabriel_laddelized their 'solutions'
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is satisfied that the only final pill against http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-17#1918482 is 'gossip' net, approx. as pictured in mircea_popescu's piece & accomp. thrds.
asciilifeform: i dunno where exists this frictionless horse, the market with no entry cost. at the very least one needs working legs (or , in mechanized market, a working comp & net pipe ) neh
asciilifeform: dunno re 'not market' tho, plenty of market require substantial ticket to get in (very same mpex, or the old nasdaq et al etc)
asciilifeform: as described in ye olde mpex thread aha
asciilifeform: so per mircea_popescu's model, problem of 'btc bazar' is 'uci-complete' ?
asciilifeform: only in the sense that e.g. a concrete, particular electron is 'centralized'. but it is readily idempotent with other electrons. and simple board that does 0 moderation or faux-wotism is similarly idempotent.
asciilifeform: that was the meaning of 'centralized' contemplated by asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: timis seemed quite empty of people.
asciilifeform: theoretically, in naked iron variant, can simply translate the mips page tbl into pc's. but this is for much later.
asciilifeform: the only thing to add, possibly for n00bz, is the observation that you can actually use all the machine regs, as pictured above, if you dun have any c or other compiled lang in the proggy
asciilifeform: 1 example of sim-inst, 'branch on less than zero', to give illustration of the moving parts.
asciilifeform: notably, i reject bellard's approach to emuism , where he 'dynamically recompiles' . imho it aint worth the 9000x moar complex clockwork.
asciilifeform: aim is a 'mips 4000' compat. item (for ease of hardwarization, when time comes) if anyone cares. and at some pt will also have to port gnat, cuntoo... to it.
asciilifeform: emulates errything but the page table mechanism, which is somewhat gnarly even on mips (tho miniscule compared to pc's)
asciilifeform: naturally only diana_coman can answer this q. but fwiw asciilifeform has yet to encounter a single case where burning the heathen abstraction to the ground and baking new one didn't make problem substantially simpler in the end.
asciilifeform: ( for folx who did not play this msdos mega-adventure -- thing was implemented on entirely diff school of thought re 3dism than what is generally used today )
asciilifeform: serious 'non-vonneuman' box would have no standalone rams at all, but simply buncha cpu , each with small mipslike item surrounded by die 99% fulla sram.
asciilifeform: there's nothing physically impossible or even especially difficult about making gigantic sram -- you simply need 6 transistors for erry 1 that'd be in the dram yer replacing. simply, no one does.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform out of school was dumb, from chumpatronic pov, as a sack of rocks, got conned into designing for these people a certain iron part, ~in off hours~ from cleaning ducts. it was, as i understand, put into production, with a mit grad's name attached.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: rright, simply must point out, asciilifeform's experience with 'troo 1333337' schools is quite limited, pretty much 100% from archaeology, rather than own skin
asciilifeform: inca fears p2p radio like the proverbial vampire -- crucifix. i'm actually surprised somewhat, that 'ricochet' was even permitted to be built as it were
asciilifeform: it competed with the gsm people, who engineered a corporate 'oops, no money' for it to die on
asciilifeform: there's still a couple 100k of'em, drawing half an amp from light poles all over usa
asciilifeform: to add to this already tall pile o'lulz, per crapple, epoxy aint enuff , power switch (deliberately flimsy) nao includes a cr50-style rsa ic, and not replaceable w/out Official Blessing from vendor (and for good measure, epoxied into the lump)
asciilifeform: in other lulz, reportedly in recent crapple, whole box is fulla epoxy, not only battery compartment
asciilifeform: i dun expect the latter have any bidirectional connection to the former, any moar than the rats which eat mircea_popescu's leftovers in dumpster, have any effect on mircea_popescu's kitchen per se
asciilifeform: it needs veehehery small current, on the order of a coupla microamps
asciilifeform: mechanism, for thread-completeness.
asciilifeform: ... at any rate, 'peh' will continue to use the single-fg eater (as depicted in ch8, it hasn't changed) unless someone shows very good reason why it ought to be made moar complex and eat >1.
asciilifeform: lol not simply 'factory test', but erry other test.
asciilifeform: given that asciilifeform does not buffer fg ( exercise for reader: why not? ) these waits do not happen in parallel with the computation, and by all rights ought to expect that a live-fg test (not yet performed) can be expected to take longer by the above interval, vs. the bottled-entropy test pictured in yest. thrd.
asciilifeform: given room temp fg @ 7.5 kByte/s , this is ~119 and ~105 sec. of fg , respectively, in avg case
asciilifeform: meanwhile, thinking moar re this item : the two tests make roughly comparable demand on rng: 3582 * (2048 / 8) byte == 916992 bytes (single 2048 gcd) ; 3155 * (2048 / 8) == 807680 byte ;
asciilifeform: iirc -- it is possible to run diana_coman's mechanism from a bottle. sadly i dun have enuff hands just nao , to attempt
asciilifeform: for completeness : output from variant with only sections 1 .. 8 of the multiprimorial ; eight 2048bit primes in 4m10.188s .
asciilifeform: for both cases, 'rng' was file of first 1MB from http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.bin .
asciilifeform: primgen_multipart_primorial.peh ; conventional single-shot (equiv. to ch18c example) ; vs all 17 chunks of 32768-bit primorial .
asciilifeform: this will be to determine what is the diminishing-return point (gcd with 1, 2, ... , 17 pieces , for prefilter, and 1st 1MB from fg sample bin on nosuchlabs.com, for deterministic test; see what diff makes to the time needed to gen N primes )
asciilifeform: while on subj : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mg63b/?raw=true << pieces of latest (not yet complete) experiment. when fed to a 32768bit peh run, produces the 32768-bit primorial (i.e. shows that the 17 2048bit cuts actually multiply to it )
asciilifeform: aand for that matter, if you were to put in a random turd instead of the primorial, you will still get valid primes, will simply take longer (i.e. the prefilter won't work)
asciilifeform: ( re upstack, note that primegen.peh can be written without any long constants, i.e. generate primorial at warmup. this simply costs a coupla extra min. )
asciilifeform: i.e. where folx will pay considerably moar than the typical 'market worth' in fiatola, simply to avoid moving fiatola into any box overtly 'bitcoin-labeled'
asciilifeform: sorta like how 'ebay' ~killed the secondhand-comps-for-cash market
asciilifeform: ( obv. this method is NOT fastest means to compute product of 1st n primes; it is not exactly secret what the first coupla mil primes are, and one could compute product in <1s , if taking what they are on faith. but illustrated method does not rely on 'magic #s' )
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness : 16384bit fz : 1st 1386 primes. (took ~10min to compute , on ' asciilifeform's standard tester iron ', using tape shown in ch18 )
asciilifeform: in the didactic tape of ch18, i used strictly a single primorial litmus, with strictly 1st n primes that sit down in given width. but this is solely for simplicity of demo.
asciilifeform: ... unsurprisingly, vast majority of cycles of ch18 prime gen tape are spent on 'first shots' of m-r which return 'is composite'.
asciilifeform: for comparison : a 4096bit fz can hold product of 1st 418 primes ; a 8192bit fz -- the 1st 758 primes.
asciilifeform: ( even aside from the moar obv. examples of what can be jettisoned, e.g. vga )
asciilifeform: largely unrelatedly, but really oughta put in l0gz before it vanishes into the sands : the sim-mips find from other day, i read it when went to bed, and author had vehehery interesting 'muntz' with which he made it short as it was: he dun handle any faults other than page fault. e.g. garbage instruction, div0, etc. simply terminate the sim run.
asciilifeform: 'Understand that all is transient, the software that you write will probably not last your lifetime, and that it is philosophically impossible to write perfect software. It will always eventually begin to die, once the environment shifts enough. '
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness : a vintage ilkkaisms compendium, in the spirit of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.txt
asciilifeform: i suspect bureaucrats, eating kickbacks, keep alive crapple's comp div. e.g. uni of md decade ago actually bought coupla hundred of those g5 crapples (similar price), they sat around and nao sit in the surplus shop, 50bux ea., no one wants
asciilifeform: seems as if the ipnoje thing did not pan out, and what remains of crapple, is attempting a return to 1990s
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz : crapple proclaimed a 6k usd (bare-bones config, ~34k for full!) comp; lcd for it : 5k ; ~leg~ for lcd : 999 $ .
asciilifeform: previously i considered the contemplated method impractical (in re amt of sweat req'd to construct) but from the weight of the heathen example, it begins to seem tractable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem approached, is how to house 9000 heathens on 1 machine. the currently used shared hosting system presumes certain amount of literacy (and cooperation) from the tenants, it is simple unix accts thing.
asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/heathen-mips.tar.gz << for thread-completeness. (most of the ball is a sample linux disk, the sores itself is ~50kB)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917019 << i'ma describe, for the l0gz, the hypothetical. suppose mips emu in asm ( the heathen item in fact compiles to a 30kB elf , not esp. complex, but would want clean rewrite really ). this'd be proggy that takes disk image and it tx/rx raw frames to/from nic, so can have own ip etc. then 1 large amd box can host coupla 100 instances of mips linux from known image. <1s teardown/bringup.
asciilifeform: mips specifically is compact enuff in its definition that one could write a demonstrably-inescapable sim for it. would weigh approx what peh (sans ffa) weighs, i suspect.
asciilifeform: 'I am very unhappy with this interaction, I don't believe I met MP (since I asked for very clear corroboration bur didn't get it), I don't believe Nicole does the work ascribed to her without assistance (rather, a team does) and more to the point I don't get the whole point of the project. Why would this be done since 2018? Please give me a simple answer. (Two examples would be tracking international sex trafficking, or making black
asciilifeform: . whereas when reintroduced, 'cybernetics institutes' were built, and ate good % of budget w/out ~anything~ but mountain of derrida-style crapola to show for it. eventually ending in the 'pdp betrayal' and final death of computing as a field in sovokistan. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916805 << btw , speaking of wiener, asciilifeform has an unfinished mega-piece on subj sitting on hdd for years nao. ( summary -- wiener's 'cybernetics' has ~0 to do with computation of whatever kind, and is exactly the 1950s equiv. of today's 'bayesianisms' etc. and when the crackpottery was , correctly, laughed at in su, actual computers were being built;
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916756 << not only settled this q , but iirc since then we had coupla moar examples of same pathology
asciilifeform: 'Interest in Operating Systems, so long as you don't think about the big picture[0] and notice that the inability to mechanically walk a graph, detect and resolve cycles[1] is indicative of a complete and utter failure of all involved parties' << notbad , even, summary.
asciilifeform: reminds me, apparently asciilifeform is still admin of a 'argentine bdsm' group (empty) in reddit. i dun even recall how this happened.
asciilifeform: afaik was done for games where role of server is mechanically simple ( passing bits b/w players )
asciilifeform has not, never felt compelled to use oddball bindist linuxen just because sewn box with 3dcard
asciilifeform: even has 'ai'-flavoured crackpot rant : 'automated system for producing inventions with aid of computer'.
asciilifeform: [http://www.55522.ru/][even has 'ai'-flavoured crackpot rant.' 'automated system for producing inventions with aid of computer'.
asciilifeform: vertical rudder was found turned 20 degree left. i.e. suggested that vessel had attempted very sharp turn, to avoid obstacle.
asciilifeform: the sailors had done quite a few things, 1st 'standard', then 'nonstandard', e.g. bled air from torpedos to try an' dry out flooded compartments. did not simply sit.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. most compartments not flooded )
asciilifeform: fwiw i have also nonzero muscle in the loop, after all still have mod queue, for when inevitable idjit pumps in 10,000 copies of helloworld
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct. sadly valid assumption, 99.999....% of load reqs are from simple robots.
asciilifeform: ip-banlist filtration imho sucks tho. puts burden on site operator, for no good reason. whereas if erry www keeper made commenters solve even ultra-simple 'reading comprehension' puzzler prior to comment entering queue, ~for so long as said puzzler aint standardized, a la idjit 'captcha'~ -- then spam, at least of the mass-scalable variety, evaporates.
asciilifeform: i thought mpwp spamola trap was 100% based on the clever boobytrap described in earlier thrd, no magic banlists
asciilifeform: i half suspect that it exists simply to make east usa look livable in contrast.
asciilifeform: there is an interesting tradition in ru navy. they open a kingston and fill a lamp cover with sea water; the boat dives, and the green recruits are given to drink, and told : 'this salt water will be the last thing you taste if you fuck up' .
asciilifeform: in 1 recent case, in iirc '07, a diesel boat was sold to india and sailed to purchaser, crewed by ~builders and designers~ (is called 'factory crew'). and there was small fire, during which they ended up pumping halon into wrong compartment.
asciilifeform: nao the conscripts came, as people do, in degrees of stupid. and instead of idle chat they would sometimes do things like rewiring the 'did you check compartment x in 17 places' buttons to those of adjacent compartment, so that the 'yes checked' lamp would light and they could instead sleep. then would be caught, and disciplined the old-fashioned way, with beating.
asciilifeform: in principle a useful os could consist simply of a lisp runtime and nic diddler (dun strictly need fs etc; could store bits on a nfs or the like)
asciilifeform: phf: i once sank good bit of time into attempt to bring up the ubiquitous 'crab nic' (realtek gb) from asm. broke teeth, it needs a working interrupt stack to run (i.e. 'spittoon in 1 strand', need entire os) . since then, found the 'seekrit' datashit, theoretically could do it, but not had time.
asciilifeform: ( comparatively easy to bake fs, scheduler, etc , next to this )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: apparently d00d was kicked out of ro ?
asciilifeform: lumpen?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje ^ see also old lulz re subj.
asciilifeform: broken proggy , more times than not , gets caught in compiler
asciilifeform: the protocol is 'fractally retarded' -- i.e. broken on absolutely erry possible level. starting from where it takes exactly 1 trivially forged packet to close someone's connection, to where 'allcomers' get a substantial chunk of memory allocated , and make ddos trivial , to where it forces 9000x moar complicated design of routing gear, to... could continue but why.
asciilifeform: spyked: not only is the implementation what it is, but tcp per se is massive pile o'shit, where it aint even possible to implement it w/out 9000 tonnes of state machine gnarl
asciilifeform: theoretically if you built with 'dumpblock', can debug this scenario by hand.
asciilifeform: to round out this thrd : asciilifeform suspects that some unknown but nonzero % of 'perma-wedged noad' cases, are accounted for by adhoc attempts to carry out this experiment
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: theoretically even nao 'longest chain is the 1 with highest hash' . problem is that this takes arbitrary space to evaluate.
asciilifeform: therefore there's an intrinsic wot component in noad bringup
asciilifeform: there's no monotonic component in the diff eqn.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i still suspect that safe bringup of a noad where certain blocks are immediately stored in readonly form requires some form of a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865197
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is potentially risky when node is young .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no elaborate massage needed -- simply need 32GB or so hashtable . ( who wants, can dig up old thread with the exact algo, atm asciilifeform's hands somewhat full )
asciilifeform: and mp_en_viaje's napkin figure is correct (and pessimistic, could easily ~day on existing irons if rewritten properly )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: db could be not only parallelized but made O(1) , iirc we had lengthy worked example of just how
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc this is 1st recorded such case ( d00d took the sweat to build trb, note that there ain't a '4lusers' binariola package or anyffin of the kind) but then went and planted it on a lolhost
asciilifeform: 'In 1979, DEC UK, under its American manager, Mr. Darryl Barbé launched a formal campaign known as the "Kill Systime" campaign. He had the full support of the American management. The DEC president, Mr. Ken Olsen, was subsequently overheard leaving a board-level meeting with another company, declaring that he wished to see Systime out of business. Mr. Pier-Carlo Falotti, European vice-president of DEC, said to DEC staff: I want you
asciilifeform: time's management commenced an anti-trust action in which the British Government took an amicus curiae position. DEC drew back and agreed to a partial continuation of supply. Systime appeared to have won a breathing space, but it was only temporary....'
asciilifeform: 'In 1979, Systime's management discovered that it was about 25 per cent. cheaper to buy equipment direct from DEC in the United States than from DEC's subsidiary in the United Kingdom. DEC UK objected to the loss of profit that that implied, and persuaded DEC US to insist that equipment could be bought only from the subsidiary. Subsequently, when DEC US tried to break its contract with the Systime subsidiary in the United States, Sys
asciilifeform: sorta dissipated, afaik, after trump crowned but not resulted in mega-revolutions
asciilifeform: yea dunno why no one does ( i dun buy the lamps, wtf, i have cork-lined steel chassis , where is the lamp to light )
asciilifeform: at 1 time asciilifeform worked in 'cpu-bound' protein modeling racket and salivated over 'possibility of qc' along with 9000 other chumps etc
asciilifeform: in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915351 , remembered infamous example : 'quantum comp' propagandist s. aaronson at one point admitted that he named his www , 'shtetl-optimized' for this
asciilifeform: pnoje is used as a comp substitute, neh, not transport
asciilifeform: 'look how rolexy i am, i paid whole comp's price for disposable pocket shit' etc
asciilifeform: interesting. complete with crapple-style oled panel 'throw out after 2y from crt-style burn'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915314 << for all i know, long ago already bought. reminds me of a fella i knew who compulsively bought old cars ( and garages, all over town, to put'em in, in which for them to rust... )
asciilifeform: a la the old imperial civil service garb
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915310 << certainly cheaper than crapple, who nao charges ~weight-in-gold for their brick. but afaik, both camps of 'smartpnoje wars' are of chinese iron with reich os.
asciilifeform: those empty blocks they mine, is as clear a symptom as any.
asciilifeform: we've seen this film before, sovok also had the notion 'software, eh, unimportant, let the буржуи write it an' we'll crib'
asciilifeform: ( fwiw they're all imported orc hands )
asciilifeform has had the misfortune of reading some of their attempts. ~same flavour as 'india coad' generally.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik all reich designs. near as i can tell, china succumbed to the old sovok disease, where 'let's make reich-compat. chips so that we can use warez'
asciilifeform: some folx have iron eye, stands up to focal length abuse without any complaint
asciilifeform: for asciilifeform at least was pretty simple fix, he wears specs and always has'em coated with uv absorber whenever gets new pair made
asciilifeform: i could've sworn that mp_en_viaje once said he had mutated blue/green cone or what was it.
asciilifeform: 'The ban also appeared to apply to ARM China, the China-based company in which ARM Holdings owns a 49% stake' << lol!
asciilifeform: iirc e.g. 'gimp' also has knob for this, but couldn't recall immediately where
asciilifeform: ( hey mp_en_viaje , which 1 of the knob settings in e.g. https://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator/ were you ? )
asciilifeform gently prods mp_en_viaje , the 1 fella i know to have mutant eye
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje had a piece re how 'not even beelzebub can save the passive from the active' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: there was a time when plebe could 'compound' for 30+yrs , and leave a small fortune that buys a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265005 for each of 3 sons. but this was a historical anomaly imho.
asciilifeform: if they're art experts, i'ma have to take mp_en_viaje's word, asciilifeform is not equipped to evaluate 'world class'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed, and afaik to the point where the rest seems like hardly necessary hypothesis
asciilifeform: somehow, where the 9000 children and trainer with heavy spiked club, and reduced element of chance to the strictly biological, still 1-2 champs and not 9000.
asciilifeform: if brain of kid was infinitely plastic, as implied in the 'no such thing as talent' item, sovok would have eaten the 'civilized' world for lunch, like the neanderthals are thought to have been eaten by modern man. but for some reason nodice.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: related in that it's a restatement of ye olde 'errybody who aint an exact replica of mircea_popescu is a tard and oughta slice lengthwise' leitmotif, imho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje's hypothesis, like other 'freudisms', is 1 of those 'simple and clean' items that stands for just so long as you throw out the contradictory inputs. e.g. folx like that same newton, heaviside, tesla, etc who in so far as anyone knows, couldn't even get their cocks to stand on demand, yet still somehow added up to something, despite not fitting mp_en_viaje's [conception of ubermensch][http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915
asciilifeform: simply variant of soy sausage. 'you can [pretend to self] to do anything' is elementarily true. doesn't have much to do with the q of who can or cannot ~factually~ do sumthing.
asciilifeform: ( there was a fascinating film clip i once saw, where raccoon was shot in the spine, in such a way that only bottom half paralyzed; and he happily attempted to eat own spilled guts. i could not help but remember rms and his 'toe jam'... )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in order to cross street and buy a bag of potato, 'must first lie to yourself and believe that..' a garbage truck with defective brakes could never kill you
asciilifeform: soldier sometimes get home. ( in old ru empire -- after 20ys . ) then -- back to plough