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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29010 @ 0.00047489 = 13.7766 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.125 = 1.375 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up lolhash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.125 = 2.625 BTC [+]
PeterL: Asicminer seems to be picking up today (up 25%), did they release some good news or something?
BingoBoingo: Maybe it is the post-Burnside bust bump?
BingoBoingo: I don't understand the nerve of people who won't contest shit at all.
mats: it falls
mats: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 348.29, Best ask: 348.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 348.99, 24 hour volume: 16064.42343601, 24 hour low: 346.15, 24 hour high: 375.51, 24 hour vwap: 364.222355025
mats: i wonder if i can get pink eye giving myself a dutch oven
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21349 @ 0.00047315 = 10.1013 BTC [-]
PeterL: ;;ud dutch oven
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch+oven | Jonas nearly crapped his Underoos preparing a Dutch Oven for his special lady! by Lution Stackridge Esquire August 14, 2003. 8196 3870. Shop. 3. Dutch Oven.
mats: ;;ud dutch oven 3
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch+oven | 3. Dutch Oven. when you are laying in bed with a "significant other" and you fart then hold her head under the blanket. girl: what did you get me for valentines ...
assbot: Rapid Agent Restores Pleasure Seeking Ahead of Other Antidepressant Action | Neuroscience News Research Articles | Neuroscience Social Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYB7pA )
BingoBoingo: !up MiningBuddy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 140 @ 0.13926563 = 19.4972 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00047489 = 11.1599 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 906 @ 0.00117766 = 1.067 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.001295 = 1.295 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00047315 = 1.656 BTC [-]
cazalla: anyone have a somethingawful account?
cazalla: actually, no matter, got behind stupid wall with google cache
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00047856 = 8.0398 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29778 @ 0.00048315 = 14.3872 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00048847 = 26.3285 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: you guys the social security administration website keeps office hours: https://secure.ssa.gov/ICON/main.jsp
assbot: SSA Office Locator Social Security Office Locator, Social Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1ItekHm )
assbot: At the corner of University Ave. and Eighth. /hashtag/berkeleyprotests?src=hash http://t.co/5MoNmviExN
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice how nobody mentions the "fix your bdb max nodes thing"
mircea_popescu: everyone just knows the upgrade mantra.
mircea_popescu: because itnernet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.0004906 = 8.2421 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <undata> this idea that you can get dumb people to do smart things if only you find a way to put smart behind a single button mouse is a terrible religion << dude so true.
mircea_popescu: mats nothing like post-pregnancy scare celebration sex << her first threesome will top it.
mircea_popescu: !up lolhash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00049118 = 13.753 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00048639 = 5.788 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1050 @ 0.0012195 = 1.2805 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00047375 = 18.0973 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00046554 = 24.3477 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.00047939 = 41.5631 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19487 @ 0.00048982 = 9.5451 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.14201659 = 5.1126 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049093 = 6.4312 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12500101 = 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14672 @ 0.00049142 = 7.2101 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29799 @ 0.00049275 = 14.6835 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home | Closed ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8QgV8 )
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user danieldaniel has been recorded.
danielpbarron: !up iang
danielpbarron: are you the "gpg sucks" guy?
punkman: !s financialcryptography.com
assbot: 3 results for 'financialcryptography.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=financialcryptography.com
punkman: iang: does anybody use Ricardo these days?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00048944 = 20.6544 BTC [-] {2}
TomServo: !up iang
iang: punkman: just my company, small use
iang: danielpbarron: not really. I might be the “pgp sucks” guy tho
fluffypony: punkman: I use Riccardo
fluffypony: don't be a dick about us Riccardo's
fluffypony: we're great
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0004936 = 4.0969 BTC [+]
iang: fluffypony: link ?
fluffypony: iang: my name is Riccardo, it's a joke
iang: you might be talking about a different Ricardo :)
fluffypony: isn't OpenBizarre (pun) supposed to add support for Ricardian Contracts eventually?
assbot: China bans wordplay in attempt at pun control | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1qpoYch )
iang: lol… ok. I’m not sure how far along OpenBizzaro is with Riccys.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6474 @ 0.0004936 = 3.1956 BTC [+]
iang: manpunk, you are fof lolly
fluffypony: fof lolly?
fluffypony: u wot m8?
iang: lol funny … wordplay, too bad to ban
iang: so, why does this channel use gpg authentication to filter traffic?
punkman: it was already there because of gribble and #bitcoin-otc
cazalla: i loves me some ransomware
punkman: and it's a good idea
fluffypony: taking a step back
fluffypony: in the beginning when OTC (over the counter) trades with Bitcoin were more prevalent than crappy / scammy exchanges there was a need for an expression of trust relationships
fluffypony: so nanotube, bless his shiny metal heart, created gribble
fluffypony: a bot that allows any registered IRC user to further register with the Bitcoin-OTC WoT
punkman: gribble exists before otc I think
fluffypony: either using Bitcoin message signing
fluffypony: or using GPG
fluffypony: the WoT is a separate entity to the GPG WoT, of course
fluffypony: and GPG is purely used for identify verification
fluffypony: this channel has taken the WoT and used it for a purpose beyond OTC trades
fluffypony: and that is: to vastly increase the SNR by only allowing those in an extended trust network (up to level 2 from the point of origin, that is assbot's level 1 trust group) to talk
fluffypony: of course, those that aren't in that trust group can be given the privilege of temporary voice (30 minutes) by anyone within the trust group
iang: hmm OTC trading, ok, that makes sense.
assbot: Rating Details for User 'fluffypony' ... ( http://bit.ly/12mMXhi )
fluffypony: or from IRC -
fluffypony: ;;gettrust fluffypony danielpbarron
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
iang: ah, so is this channel about the discussion of various asset classes?
assbot: 3 results for 'iang.org' - #bitcoin-assets search
iang: Perhaps I had erroneously assumed the channel is about tech to do with assets
cazalla: iang, anything and everything is discussed here
jurov: the chan does not have enforced topic
iang: punkman: interesting selection
punkman: click on date and it takes you to the logs
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: thestringpuller, i've seen pete's face everywhere today lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00049154 = 16.2208 BTC [-]
iang: I think you’re right, anything and everything gets discussed here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26276 @ 0.00049319 = 12.9591 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: !up iang
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23756 @ 0.00049846 = 11.8414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7430 @ 0.00048157 = 3.5781 BTC [-]
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << still b0rk3d ? << will work after you finally submit more patches and signatures.
jurov: if you want from me to test first with all conceivable smtp/mime oddities, filenames, etc... then that'd be vey long wait
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7442 @ 0.00049846 = 3.7095 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1600 @ 0.00121864 = 1.9498 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59727 @ 0.00048042 = 28.694 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1200 @ 0.00121949 = 1.4634 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5197 @ 0.00049374 = 2.566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43260 @ 0.00047589 = 20.587 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2841 @ 0.00046432 = 1.3191 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00049539 = 5.2759 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1237 @ 0.00122742 = 1.5183 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14199997 = 1.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2400 @ 0.00123919 = 2.9741 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00048045 = 9.7531 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00046504 = 2.5577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22064 @ 0.0004873 = 10.7518 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24076 @ 0.00049302 = 11.8699 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14199998 = 1.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00046504 = 11.6725 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16373 @ 0.00049466 = 8.0991 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18831 @ 0.00049892 = 9.3952 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00047606 = 8.8071 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: don't be a dick about us Riccardo's << what do you use him for ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: gribble exists before otc I think << yea was born in #bitcoin iirc, 2010s
mircea_popescu: iang:I think you’re right, anything and everything gets discussed here << http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zK66Vt )
mircea_popescu: whoa danieldaniel still exists ?!
mircea_popescu: that's some endurance right there.
hanbot: mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2oga48/buttcoin_is_sooo_big_in_argentina/cmpoq3j << could be a default trilema noob comment lol
mircea_popescu: hanbot lol!
mircea_popescu: is it yours ?
hanbot: nah
mircea_popescu: vpred libertard lmao.
assbot: The Senate Just Released the CIA Torture Report. Read the Full Document. | Mother Jones ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKcDiS )
mats: embedded doc, though...
TomServo: full pdf available on cryptome.org
mircea_popescu: zese peoplez an zeir pdfeez
TomServo: Sorry for having to ask but: would 'rectal feeding' actually allow you ingest some nutrients? or what would be the point?
punkman: TomServo: of course
punkman: can't just stick a banana up your ass though
mats: nobody suggested that
mircea_popescu: TomServo yeah.
mircea_popescu: it would suck on the long term unless very carefully formulated, but otherwise...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00050023 = 17.458 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: Dumb question I suppose; hoped an asciilifeform joke made it into the report. arse/mouth etc.
mircea_popescu: TomServo best way to loosen up neurotic sort of chick is half white wine / half warm water enema.
mircea_popescu: demi bouteille of that an' she's giggling like god meant woman to giggle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14775 @ 0.00049507 = 7.3147 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: what does the warm water enema achieve?
mircea_popescu: dilutes and doesn't thermally shock the gut ?
jurov: relaxes the sphincter? or the vag, too?
mircea_popescu: !up LainZ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 160 @ 0.12810045 = 20.4961 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.12527499 = 3.5077 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00049671 = 19.322 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2375 @ 0.00050104 = 1.19 BTC [+]
assbot: Announcement: Pleased to share that the syndicate organized by /BitcoinTrust & our trading division won 48k bitcoin auctioned by US Marshals
punkman: the waterfall stronger than ever eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00048997 = 5.7571 BTC [-]
TomServo: Evidently. Looks like another 1700 or so left ethereum's wallet recently as well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 667 @ 0.00450001 = 3.0015 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: run moar winblows.
asciilifeform: 'The CIA lacked a plan for the eventual disposition of its detainees. After taking custody of Abu Zubaydah, CIA officers concluded that he "should remain incommunicado for the remainder of his life"...'
asciilifeform: ^ document of questionable veracity, prepared by known professional liars, but good source on what to expect when you end up in the tender care of usg.
undata: asciilifeform: in this case I'm more than certain they're lying in the direction that makes them look better
asciilifeform: - or rather, a minimum of what to expect. the main purpose of the report appears to be usg bashing itself for hiring incompetent torturers on 'favourite son' contracts. implication is, 'we need to recruit real pros' - and every reason to expect that it will be tried, at the very least. out with the amateur finger-choppers, in with the transcranial pain centre stimulators and 'fMRI' gizmos, etc.
undata: yep
assbot: I hope he comes here to tell us how "gpg is not user friendly and too hard." /jyap http://t.co/w1PgofiYzc /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /ElectrumWallet
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jyap has been recorded.
asciilifeform: 'The CIA did not hold any detainees after April 2008.' << i've a bridge to sell ya.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron you inspired a character for me
thestringpuller: the cryptopriest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00048614 = 9.7957 BTC [-]
assbot: jyap +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
danielpbarron: !up jyap
jyap: thanks
danielpbarron: sonething tells me you aren't here to tell us how gpg isn't user friendly enough
jyap: well, personal invite from yourself
jyap: but GPG is fine by me
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2014 04:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://proofofdev.com/jbs-jumbucks/
jyap: ah yeah. never actually sent documentation in. more a video chat.
danielpbarron: heh.. "proof"
danielpbarron: if people consider video to be proof, no wonder it's widely believed that planes hit the twin towers
assbot: Libressl 2.1.2 released. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wd8AuZ )
jyap: .. well yeah.
assbot: AdNauseam Browser Extension Quietly Clicks On Blocked Ads - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wd8TWP )
asciilifeform: 'Two important cipher suites, GOST and Camellia, have been reworked or reenabled, providing better interoperability with systems around the world.' << LOL!!
asciilifeform: 'Initial support for Microsoft Windows 32-bit and 64-bit flavors has been added for mingw' << run moar winblows, aha. medicine for corpse.
asciilifeform: 'Assembly acceleration of various algorithms... ...x86_64 CPUs' << translation: let's use intel's diddled aes instructions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34895 @ 0.00049617 = 17.3139 BTC [+] {2}
undata: danielpbarron: dude, what?
undata: surely you meant to say "pentagon"
undata: not that I'd be surprised if you sucked some other conspiracy theory on the towers out of Alex Jones' tailpipe
assbot: Bitcoin Black Friday 2014 Recap | The BitPay Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1wamrDy )
undata: With traditional Black Friday sales down 11% from last year, it’s it’s important to recognize that bitcoin is being used for a variety of traditional products and services now. This Bitcoin Black Friday may signify a move forward and toward mainstream acceptance of bitcoin.
undata: "actually good news"
asciilifeform: black friday << mega-lol at the conspicuously-absent actual numbers
undata: bitcoin acceptance makes me think of fat acceptance
rithm: i feel skinny
undata: it's this social progress thing
rithm: and witty, and gaaaaaay
Pierre_Rochard: for many of the redditards it is a ~feels~ social movement, rather than a macro-economic force of nature
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
assbot: The Biggest Dangers To Bitcoin Come From Proponents, Not Opponents - NASDAQ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1waq24G )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45990 @ 0.0005018 = 23.0778 BTC [+] {2}
Pierre_Rochard: “The decentralized, non-governmental nature of digital currency makes it particularly appealing to those of an extreme libertarian bent. When those voices are the only ones heard, it makes wider adoption and acceptance less likely."
thestringpuller: is it weird that everytime I see someone talk about adoption and acceptance in an article I immediately think they are a n00b?
thestringpuller: I can't take them seriously.
danielpbarron: 03:37 <+undata> surely you meant to say "pentagon" << nope i meant the towers
danielpbarron: i don't listen to alex jones
undata: danielpbarron: I'm aware of the pentagon missile, but the towers?!
undata: I'm under the impression that many people in adjacent buildings saw it happen
undata: is it hard to believe that they could've both been hit by planes and demoed?
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: because people like the author think Bitcoin _actually_ is a ponzi scheme and that they have to help attract greater fools, so public relations / appearance/ etc are super important to -sell- bitcoin to the unsuspecting masses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00050191 = 5.0728 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: undata, it's cheaper to edit video
danielpbarron: i don't know anyone who saw it happen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.00050286 = 28.8893 BTC [+] {3}
mats: I'm really irritated by this nonsense in the media about "torture is useless as an intelligence tool"
mats: what a blatant lie.
mats: danielpbarron: my grandparents watched the second plane hit from a high rise several blocks from the towers
mats: they speak about a hundred english words between them, so i doubt they've been bought by USG.
mats: i'd consider effective placement of explosives near structural supports more plausible
undata: ^^
mats: anyway, this is probably obvious to everyone, but it should be voiced anyway: torture is definitely useful as an intelligence tool
punkman: not if you are torturing random derps though
mats: relying on a source that's been tortured, now, thats not useful, but thats why you verify the information...
asciilifeform: !s rectothermal
assbot: 36 results for 'rectothermal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rectothermal
dub: applying it to turban wearers at random may not be
dub: which might be the point?
undata: mats: makes me wonder if that's the tactic: making the conversation about "Is torture effective?"
mats: this is what happens when you let HUMINT fall to the wayside
undata: rather than "do we want to live under the fear of a bureaucracy that tortures people at will?"
mats: i get the impression that most americans accept as fact that torture is ineffective
undata: mats: lets clarify things; do you think we benefit from having a CIA that does so?
mats: yes.
undata: hm, as part of current incarnation of USG?
mats: any effective intelligence agency ought to be prepared to torture a source.
mats: you think they're running a day care or something?
undata: that's an incorrect assumption of my opinion
undata: I want to live in a society where everything is done according to law
undata: even torturing "folks" if necessary
asciilifeform: intimidation and murder also work great, but are not nearly as 'photogenic'
undata: not at the whim of some unaccountable second govt
asciilifeform: undata: there is precisely one actual government - what you were thinking of as the 'second'
mats: people performing these things are ideally in the field
undata: asciilifeform: right, that's more correct
mats: as far as anyone is realistically concerned, they are the second government.
mats: and you can't do dick about it.
mats: PR backlash blah blah, anyone with a mild degree of intelligence understands this is how the game is played
mats: regardless if its admitted or not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00049109 = 8.8396 BTC [-]
undata: without rule of law no one can settle down and get some goddamn work done
undata: too busy checking over their shoulder
undata: this is not tantamount to saying society should be hugs and kisses for all
mats: there's only one rule of law, and its wielded at the point of a weapon
undata: that's nice rhetoric, but that's about all
mats: intelligence work requires compartmentalization and centralization
mats: and once you get down to the fundamentals, agents in the field are basically unaccountable
undata: there's a distinction here between the guy that forces you to your desk to work, and the guy that jiggles your hand as you try to write
undata: mats: then they are free to seek their own interest; they're not slaves
undata: and all govt agents should be slaves
mats: in my opinion, this is a fundamentally irreconcilable difference between govt agents and intel agents
mats: you're going to ask an intel agent in the field to handicap himself, at the very real risk of being killed because of morals imposed by someone outside of the game?
mats: sounds like a recipe for high turnover and ineffective field work.
undata: and when the agents traffic enough cocaine to threaten your power over them?
mats: then you kill all of them.
mats: and hire a new spymaster you can leverage.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1PCKSFB.txt )
asciilifeform: it all depends, also, on whether you see usa as just a normal country, or - a fundamentally criminal enterprise, whose enemies - any and all of them - are really friends of mankind by virtue of being it's enemies, and are in fact defending themselves from usg colonial rape.
asciilifeform: - that is, who do you wish to see win?
BingoBoingo: It wouldn't end with "win" another criminal enterprise would emerge. better win is probably stalemate
asciilifeform: who said, 'end.' everything - dies.
asciilifeform: even 'thousand-year' reichs.
mats: its actually a humorous indictment of the CIAs HUMINT operations, that they weren't able to get useful information from the rendered
mats: too much noise in the signal. picked up the wrong dudes.
asciilifeform: mats: the actual enemies of usa population are already in usa - occupying high posts in wash., dc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 420 @ 0.00450001 = 1.89 BTC [+]
mats: hows it feel to be a lamb in a den of killers?
mats: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 350.72, Best ask: 351.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 351.88, 24 hour volume: 21724.25125109, 24 hour low: 343.97, 24 hour high: 366.57, 24 hour vwap: 353.109911494
assbot: Angry Ram takes on a 6 ton digger - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wdDvau )
BingoBoingo: ^ That
asciilifeform: lamb in 'mcdonalds.'
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BingoBoingo: Is McSchwarma a thing yet?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'The CIA did not hold any detainees after April 2008.' <<< "the fed won't monetise the debt"
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mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> for many of the redditards it is a ~feels~ social movement, rather than a macro-economic force of nature << like everything else. like, that's all they got.
mircea_popescu: "When those voices are the only ones heard, it makes wider adoption and acceptance less likely." <<< so says... who ?
mircea_popescu: and htey know... how ?
mircea_popescu: the self-feeding circle of shit. "shit out because shit in because shit out because shit in because..."
mircea_popescu: "we are the clueless horde because everyone is clueless because we are clueless because everyone is clueless because that's all that exists because that's what we are because that's what one should be because that's what one can be because that's what we think because that's what we are because that's what we'ver seen because..."
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2014 05:01:41; asciilifeform: these folks will eventually build arse-mouth systems and try to eat their own shit.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> is it weird << notrly. like you know, if you hear a "sailor" talk about "Ships falling off the earth margin" you can also suspect they're the 15yo fibbing variety of seawolf.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, hence all teh soviet shiteating jokes.
mircea_popescu: it's like a strange attractor of peronist discourse.
mircea_popescu: mats> relying on a source that's been tortured, now, thats not useful, but thats why you verify the information... << it's complicated. generally, by the time you have to torture people you're dead in the water.
mircea_popescu: it's like saying "wifebeating works as a matrimonial pacification tool".
mircea_popescu: i... guess ? if you think so ?
mircea_popescu: notrlytho.
mircea_popescu: <mats> i get the impression that most americans accept as fact that torture is ineffective << for sure. do you know what else they accept ? that "free markets don't work" and that "socialism is democracy" and all sorts of similar things. do you know why they accept them ? because they want to believe. 16 yo 7/10 valley girl also believes she's "beautiful" and that "she really has a chance". why wouldn't she, as far as
mircea_popescu: she's concerned.
mircea_popescu: <mats> in my opinion, this is a fundamentally irreconcilable difference between govt agents and intel agents << idealised intel agents. like idealised doctors or lawyers, doing "liberal professions". like naggum's idealised "real programmers". problem is, these people don't exist in the counts you might wish to employ. they exist in short supply.
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> - that is, who do you wish to see win? <<< seems rather uncontroversial by now that the us is a rogue state. at least to my eyes. but in two years of this we've yet to meet somerone who actually believes the us to be anything but a criminal organisation.
mircea_popescu: perhaps with the exception of the bluemeanie guy :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite a few folks say 'well yes, criminal' but for some reason refuse to walk the logical implication, a -> b..
mircea_popescu: !s 16 yo valley girl
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mircea_popescu: what reason dja think that is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because of the inevitable question, then, 'well what do i personally do now, seppuku?' that follows
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: closing eyes is the last refuge of the truly and genuinely fucked
mircea_popescu: which is of course silly.
mircea_popescu: plenty of women woke up one day to discover they married an asshole over the endless count of years.
mircea_popescu: none of them actually had to hang themselves for this lapse in their youthful judgement,
mircea_popescu: or, as the case may be, in their parents'.
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mircea_popescu: for thatmatter, even 30 years ago, "the us" aka "america" was something you'd have had to be chomsky not to believe in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most u.s. subjects don't have an obvious rational action to follow the awakening of 'aha so i'm living in a zoo run by demented vivisectionists, now i need to...'
mircea_popescu: "say it" ?
nubbins`: "...make something for supper"
mircea_popescu: o check it out, nubbins` brings sammiches.
nubbins`: not so
nubbins`: altho i did roast a pork tenderloin today
nubbins`: and let me tell you
nubbins`: it was fist-poundingly good
nubbins`: made an extremely heady pan sauce with some red wine
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nubbins`: dat fail
nubbins`: !up EPiSKiNG-
EPiSKiNG-: why failed?
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot EPiSKiNG-
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nubbins`: anyway, you're voiced now
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nubbins`: would a vampire say "there is a vampire"? :S
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undata: +asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: most u.s. subjects don't have an obvious rational action to follow the awakening of 'aha so i'm living in a zoo run by demented vivisectionists, now i need to...' << make money and gtfo in my case
undata: or hell, loot the nearest shoe store for some nikes if that's all you can muster
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undata: seems to me that there are two circumstances to avoid: 1) being crunched under the US gov's ever-increasing bureaucratic mass 2) the skullfucking that is due to the US when there's an entity powerful enough to perform it
nubbins`: seems to me there's not a whole lot you can do to avoid either
undata: I can; as for the rest, natural selection's a bitch
nubbins`: !up EPiSKiNG-
nubbins`: not sure it's natural selection
undata: how is govt any less natural a hazard?
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asciilifeform: undata: 'gtfo' from u.s.-centric international monetary system costs considerably more than an airplane ticket.
undata: asciilifeform: I just want somewhere to sit and watch the bonfire
asciilifeform: undata: i haven't the faintest clue about where you went (or will go) but most u.s. expats may as well be living back home, where they are.
asciilifeform: in terms of dependence
undata: maybe so, but I'd rather have something to struggle towards
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so.
undata: argie let nazis retire there; what's wrong with a few 'muricans? :D
asciilifeform: the pub is really the property of the freeloaders, or local chieftain, whoever; the 'owner' is simply a clown kept around for entertainment value and while he brings over friends to spend usd
asciilifeform: undata: the germans had self-contained biospheres where they lived and worked.
asciilifeform: how many u.s. expats are willing to, say, break their backs doing actual work for the locals ?
undata: I think you're right; it won't be a great thing abroad to be or have been an american
asciilifeform: no, it's always 'i'm gonna own an xxx and a yyy which will bring in...'
undata: I intend to stay active creating software; I'd probably continue to work with americans
asciilifeform: software for which - who? pays
asciilifeform: in what?
asciilifeform: (re: germans: there is ample evidence that fleeing nazis wanted for nothing, and were kept in plentiful supply of every conceivable necessity and luxury by u.s. cia. but 'traditional' narrative still has them living in what were essentially reservations in ar.)
undata: I've got various software things cooking now, one operational and paying my rent
undata: correct
asciilifeform: with a gigantic, mainly usg-operated apparatus to keep 'paying for software' as a going concern even.
undata: I don't feel a burning urge to attract the attention of that govt
undata: they can have their taxes, etc
undata: speaking of Thailand, my accountant lives there most of the year
undata: wife there, etc
undata: Chile is one that's appealed to me
thestringpuller: today I heard the phrase: "Encryption as a Service" used as a buzz-phrase.
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danielpbarron: !up EPiSKiNG-
thestringpuller: that is a name I haven't seen in sometime
EPiSKiNG-: someone needs to rate me
EPiSKiNG-: all those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust EPiSKiNG-
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EPiSKiNG-: ah. I think you'd do it. :)
danielpbarron: you're pretty high in my l2, huh
danielpbarron: well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord
EPiSKiNG- is confused. Need to read rules.
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danielpbarron: you've got quite a few positive ratings from users i don't trust
kakobrekla: <EPiSKiNG-> all those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love < this thing apparently works, those ratings are useless
EPiSKiNG-: worthless are they?
EPiSKiNG- is still readin
danielpbarron: you're from a different WoT, sort-of; all your connections are from -otc, and none are from here (or at least from anyone here who matters (and therefore anyone anywhere who matters))
decimation: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: deterministic wallets << the ware that someone dropped in the chan a few days ago was amusing: you enter you die rolls on the command line (history!) and then it converts to 'diceware' string, and then it takes a sha256 hash
decimation: seems like a good recipie to greatly restrict the keyspace
kakobrekla: someones coding license needs to be revoked?
decimation: yeah, it was a noob implementation. But it brought up a question in my mind: for RSA, private key and public key are derived from a prime number. Is there a similar procedure for ECDSA?
mike_c: ecdsa works on the magical horseshoe principle. you start from one spot on the horseshoe and shoot over to the other side, and where you land is difficult to figure out.
mike_c: unless you use the nsa horseshoe, which everyone knows the answers to.
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol. run moar winblows!
decimation: asciilifeform: why would the russian foreign ministry run winblows?
asciilifeform: decimation: why would iranian ministry of nukes run winblows
decimation: well, probably for the same reason soviets wanted pdp11
asciilifeform: decimation: also this story concerns the russian ministry of internal affairs (sorta equivalent to u.s. fbi)
decimation: what is the difference between that and the fsb?
asciilifeform: that'd be more analogous to u.s. dhs
decimation took a course in soviet politics years ago and I left more confused about its bureaucracy
asciilifeform: see, until dhs there was no ready u.s. analogue.
decimation: so all internal security is nominally 'under' fsb?
asciilifeform: nominally, internal security in its intelligence aspects
decimation: ah, makes sense
asciilifeform: also some external work. ussr had two competing intelligence agencies
decimation: I guess in the us the fbi is kinda the secret police
asciilifeform: gru (approximately, central office of reconnaissance) and (portion of) kgb
asciilifeform: gru was a branch of military intelligence apparatus
asciilifeform: kgb - 'civilian.'
decimation: do these still compete today? russian military and svr?
asciilifeform: svr was post-collapse rebranding of kgb intelligence directorate
asciilifeform: this is extensively beaten to death in the literature.
asciilifeform: ^ apply for a job today, l0l
decimation: probably about the same kind of stuff as the us version
asciilifeform: speaking of which...
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decimation: this page on ecdsa history is depressing http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html
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asciilifeform: cache timing attacks are a snore.
asciilifeform: if enemy has access to your cache hit/miss data, you were fucked already.
decimation: nah, not that stuff, the history of the development of ecdsa
decimation: and speculation on why the most retarded design decisions were made to force vulnerabilities
asciilifeform: why the most retarded design decisions << this was never a genuine mystery.
decimation: yeah, but it is still depressing
decimation: "the people" of the us should demand their tax dollars back
asciilifeform: not to 'evil conspiracy crackpots', that is. to 'reasonable, polite society folks' it will be a mystery until the day they die.
asciilifeform: (which is likely to be sooner rather than later)
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.
decimation: I guess my question above (rephrased) is this: does the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector to be used as a key? Or is there a restricted set that will be more secure than other cases?
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mircea_popescu: <undata> or hell, loot the nearest shoe store for some nikes if that's all you can muster << petty crime is really a very poor plan.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how many u.s. expats are willing to, say, break their backs doing actual work for the locals ? << all women that i ever met. srsly.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate EPiSKiNG- 1 New blood :p
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decimation: there is plenty of 'hard work' going on in the us, just misdirected
mircea_popescu: !up EPiSKiNG-
mircea_popescu: there you go.
decimation: !up badon
mircea_popescu: decimation quite.
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
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mircea_popescu: <decimation> Is there a similar procedure for ECDSA? << sort-of. the exponent is ideally chosen randomly as well as the index.
decimation: Yeah I am going to have to work it out for myself it seems
decimation: using the secp256k1 parameters
mircea_popescu: tho i am very suspicious of ecdsa for what you'd call "political" reasons.
mircea_popescu: as in, notscientific.
decimation: yeah, I agree
mircea_popescu: but there's also some scienfitic doubt. you really don't know a) how good a "random curve" is n the generla case ; b) you don't really know how to calculate the quality of a good curve.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's fond of pointing out to the pi problem of "random numbers", ie, for all you know xth index of pi digits is random
mircea_popescu: for FUCKING OBVIOUS reasons, such as... the involvement of pi! this is true for curves too.
decimation: yeah this is why RSA seems more compelling
decimation: people have been banging their heads against factoring large primes for a long time
mircea_popescu: there's also that.
mircea_popescu: in fact the reason why we favour rsa is quite long.
mircea_popescu: list of reasons*
decimation: I can see why satoshi avoided using the nist curves, but using ecc in general was probably a bad move
decimation: it's true it greatly reduced the size of the blockchain, but at what cost?
mircea_popescu: well, he hedged his bets.
mircea_popescu: ecdsa alone isn't enough to breach it.
mircea_popescu: it has to be said, again and again, lest anyone forgets : this was designed as a prototype.
mircea_popescu: it's what it is.
TomServo: ha! did orlov crib 'infinite hit points?
mircea_popescu: he did ?
TomServo: Consider this: knowledge is always limited and specific, but ignorance is infinite and completely general; knowledge is hard to convey, and travels no faster than the speed of light, but ignorance is instantaneous at all points in the known and unknown universe, including alternate universes and dimensions of whose existence we are entirely ignorant. In short, there is a limit to how much you can
TomServo: know, but there is no limit at all to how much you don't know but think you do!
asciilifeform: factoring large primes << l0l! i'll factor any large prime for you, free! limited time 0ff3r!
mircea_popescu: eh i don't have a lien on that.
TomServo: Just immediately reminded me of it is all.
decimation: asciilifeform: sorry, I mean factoring large composites :)
mircea_popescu: such a stickler is he :D
asciilifeform: laugh, but bill gates referred to the great unsolved problem 'factoring large primes' in one of 'his' 'books', in dead tree print.
mircea_popescu: TomServo it does link nicely.
decimation: orlov is right that wages haven't increased, but prices have fallen
decimation: at least, for food and computers
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mircea_popescu: not for food, per se.
decimation: yeah, for 'food'
mircea_popescu: just, they found ways to repackage cheaper shit as food.
asciilifeform: and 'computers'
decimation: I was pricing a nice wild-caught salmon from alaska, goes for $20 per lb at the cheap rate
mircea_popescu: my own personal opinion is you're taking that too far. srsly, current cpus are worth 80 2014 dollars
mircea_popescu: if a z80 was worth 40 1980 dollars.
asciilifeform: for numeric wrangling, sure, i'll take 2014. see last week's thread.
asciilifeform: for overall quality of life - 1980.
mircea_popescu: i thought you were kinda arguing both ends of a candle here :p
asciilifeform: it's burning on both ends!
mircea_popescu: so blow.
decimation: the problem is that 2014 has 1980 built into is core, under layers of 'tardation
mircea_popescu: but faster bus :D
BingoBoingo: It's a fucking candle, piss it out.
asciilifeform: 1980 built into its core << only the bad parts
decimation: heh yeah
mircea_popescu: you can't argue with that part. they got really good at printing them.
decimation: no lisp machine in an x86
mircea_popescu: these specific things, like the quality of paints...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja recall soviet paints of the 80s ?
mircea_popescu: that maroon ?
asciilifeform: there's a post office here where i live now, that seems to have been painted with the very same paints
mircea_popescu: those shitty plastics of the era... not really very mouldable...
decimation: I know for certain that nazi-era IG farben was way ahead of the world in paint technology at the time
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: why would iranian ministry of nukes run winblows <<< recall that buenos aires pantalla ?
mircea_popescu: they run it because they're not smart enough to even figure there's away out of the paper bag, as a principle.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/79DTA7H << 'no parking' sign outside of that post office. (i don't presently have a photo of the inside.)
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decimation: http://imgur.com/79DTA7H << "By 2020, current cost trends will lead to an average cost of between $15 billion and $20 billion for a leading-edge fab, according to the report. By 2016, the minimum capital expenditure budget needed to justify the building of a new fab will range from $8 billion to $10 billion for logic, $3.5 billion to $4.5 billion for DRAM and $6 billion to $7 billion for NAND flash, according to the report."
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1uirH2T )
mircea_popescu: decimation "at the time" for 1940 tho.
decimation: this strikes me as more limiting than physics
mircea_popescu: i linked aus dem leben der marionetten here yest.
mircea_popescu: if you're curious to get a feel for the actual flavour of everyday bvack then, it's a good primer.
mircea_popescu: all those lightbulbs and whatnot.
Vexual: now the koreans are making the best limo at the best price, just coz they can
asciilifeform: i see no light bulbs in that article. are they inside the arses ?
mircea_popescu: they're in teh film
mircea_popescu: whoever did the decors put a shitton of intelligent work in
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decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN-HIA4H1vA << even street urchins wore jackets in new york ca. 1900
assbot: New York City Street Scene Easter 1900 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wZqK6m )
Vexual: t-shirts are a recent invention
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/das-schlangenei/ << also good. perhaps actually better.
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mircea_popescu: you know, lightbulbs going out, visibly. because back then ? they did.
Vexual: slowly?
mircea_popescu: (also bergman)
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mircea_popescu: it just occured to me that b-a is actually the only place on the english web where german, russian,french, spanish etc are not merely spoken,
mircea_popescu: but the respective cultures actually accessible and tied in.
mircea_popescu: at least afaik the only place.
asciilifeform: we have a german ?
mircea_popescu: no but we like them :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm from transylvania, i could as 1/3 german.
Vexual: mircea runs a mercedes
mircea_popescu: jurov's from slovakia, that's like 1/2 german, and kako's somalia is an ex german colony. so like 1/6
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1/3 + 1/2 + 1/6
gribble: 1.0
decimation: Ich spreche einbisschen Deutch
decimation: my family is nearly all from germany, but they stopped teaching their kids the language around wwii (in the us)
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik about 40% of the us is actually from germany at some point
decimation: yes, the majority of 'white people' in the us are german
decimation: which is why the englishers had to squash that shit
mircea_popescu: anyway, quick quiz : who is the first person to have spoken german in public in israel post ww2 ?
Vexual: was he in physics?
decimation: eh? weren't nearly all the 'returning jews' from german backgrounds?
decimation: http://forward.com/articles/154277/jews-stream-back-to-germany/?p=all << "But under German law since May 1949, any Jew — or the descendants of such a Jew — who fled Nazi Germany has the right to become a naturalized German"
assbot: Jews Stream Back to Germany – Forward.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uivnlc )
decimation: academic/media/civil servant complex is the us is chattering about increasing the gas tax, since prices have nearly halved
decimation: no talk about rebalancing spending to cover the shortfall
mthreat: there's also people asking if the US fracking companies will be "bailed out"
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decimation: opec is dumping oil to kill the fracking producers in the us
TomServo: Aye - 20-40% fewer well permits being reported, depending on production area.
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2014 04:04:57; mircea_popescu: you familiar with the "giant stool" approach to economics ?
decimation: opec wants to grow into a giant to squash the midgets in oil
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PeterL: is opec not already a giant?
decimation: yes, and they can embiggen themselves to squash any troublesome midgets for a period of time
mats: i wonder how putin feels about it
assbot: The richest man in Russia bought James Watson’s Nobel prize just so he could return it - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiEja5 )
decimation: BingoBoingo: that's awesome
asciilifeform: picture if - the equalistas will step up their game now. i recall there already was talk of (soviet-style!) revocation of watson's degrees.
decimation: asciilifeform: such a development would be welcome, as it would require a press release with names attached
BingoBoingo: Ah, the greatest protest Watson could undertake would be to sell his nobel annually
asciilifeform: and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish
mircea_popescu: <decimation> eh? weren't nearly all the 'returning jews' from german backgrounds? << yep.
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asciilifeform: who bribes inquisitors ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish << Respect comes from the buyers returning it, like the many "Gems"
asciilifeform: he did not know that it would be returned.
asciilifeform: said, supposedly, that he will buy back into respectability with the money.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish << i didn't read any such plan in there. just, "i want money" "what for ?" "fuck you lol:
asciilifeform: he did utter 'will use it to return to public life'
BingoBoingo: But now Watson can surmise he will be saved by stotting behavior until the one time he isn't
decimation: nah he said he would give it to a few institutions
asciilifeform: and did, iirc, mention donations to various academitrons
mircea_popescu: more like "this should do x"
mircea_popescu: he didn't seem to want to personally do anything past telling the others what they should be doing
asciilifeform: giving money to his tormentors looks like pure nuttery
mircea_popescu: admittedly, the traditional behaviour of intellectual types.
mircea_popescu: understand old man psychology : the whole world is made out of younger men
mircea_popescu: and for this reason, his toermentors.
decimation: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41594/title/Watson-Sells-Nobel-for--4-1M/ "Watson told The New York Times that he planned to donate most of the proceeds from the sale to academic institutions, including the University of Chicago, which he attended as an undergraduate; Indiana University, where he earned his PhD; Cambridge, where he and Crick worked; and Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. “The sale is to support
assbot: Watson Sells Nobel for $4.1M | The Scientist Magazine® ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7jrgj )
decimation: and empower scientific discovery,” he said."
mircea_popescu: he will ~talk about~ giving them money.
asciilifeform: but in actuality, mail it to 'isis' ?
decimation: yeah he was unspecific about the amounts - "most"
mircea_popescu: he was also going to buy some painting
asciilifeform thinks he understands old man psychology very well
mircea_popescu: dithering, basically.
asciilifeform had birthday a few days ago
mircea_popescu: cast a wide net of tormentors looking for a handout, watch em squirm basically.
mircea_popescu: lol how old does that make you ?
asciilifeform: 31 + epsilon
decimation: all of those except maybe cold spring will waste it on stupid shit
mircea_popescu: that's not so old.
mircea_popescu: you could do a lot better!
mircea_popescu: next year...
asciilifeform: ;;google you're older than you've ever been
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decimation: for instance, Indiana University has floated the idea of starting an engineering school http://www.idsnews.com/article/2014/11/committee-to-explore-engineering-program-at-iu-bloomington
assbot: Indiana Daily Student: :: ​Committee to explore engineering program at IU-Bloomington ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiIhQ4 )
decimation: "Of the 62 universities in the Association of American Universities, only four do not have programs in engineering, according to the plan. Of those four, two have joint programs in engineering with other institutions."
decimation: but everyone else does it!!
asciilifeform: on one hand, old man feels old, envies young impotently, etc. on the other - has impulse for 'last hurrah.' word is that e. teller dreamed of presiding over a nukefest until the day he died.
asciilifeform: to 'go out with a bang.'
decimation: if watson wanted to 'go out with a bang' he would find the right young men to found an institute that explicitly is an enemy of his idio-cratic critics
BingoBoingo: Or he'd do the Jurassic park, breed theme park monsters thing
asciilifeform: about equally doable.
asciilifeform: and for approximately same reasons.
BingoBoingo: Actual dinosaurs impossible. Theme park monsters with vague resemblance to dinosaurs could probably be done in a decade or two if anyone cared to go monsanto on chickens
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decimation: yeah as Mr. Yarvin enjoys pointing out, the past is dead, cannot live again
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