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asciilifeform: they'd just all happen to be employees of the house.
ascii_field: (author explicitly subscribes to the 'short, readable, and compatible' thing)
ascii_field: ~reference client~ MUST have some example of working miner.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: as a pathological example: just about anybody's living costs could be lowered by moving to africa, but for some reason very few takers
ascii_field: this is amply described in the literature
ascii_field: well, more complicated
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: not sure this will show any symptoms of happening any time prior to the die-off
ascii_field: in other nyooz, apparently 'reddit' has imploded and replaced with a very similar service, 'voat.co'
ascii_field: afaik nobody predicted that ~dysfunctional~ computing would be the mechanism
ascii_field: now, plenty of folks predicted 'computer tyranny' - e.g, weizenbaum (of 'eliza' !) in his '70s 'computer power and human reason' - but,
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc, in mexico it is not unlawful to escape from a prison. (in the sense that such a prisoner will not have an additional sentence imposed if caught alive.) but, similarly to usa, it is permissible for police to shoot escapees if they feel like it.
asciilifeform: decimation: not comparable
asciilifeform: (see, for example, the 'millionaire protocol')
asciilifeform: now, it is not physically impossible to solve this problem
asciilifeform: for the specific purpose of running mpex
asciilifeform: more or less a throwback to very impoverished 1970s lisps
asciilifeform: the difference is important
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184659 << in a very important sense, those folks are the ~strongest~ believers in usg as a concept
asciilifeform: and not of computers (which, last i saw, did not program themselves) - but of ~people~
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184748 << in order to formulate ~rational~ distrust, you need literacy. which is not and cannot be a mass phenomenon. hence the choice, for the lumpens, is between mystical trust and mystical distrust
asciilifeform: (not that it is impossible, but there is nothing to recommend it vs any other hypothesis)
ascii_field: 'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl;
ascii_field: conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.'
ascii_field: 'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race
ascii_field: 'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by
ascii_field: my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now
ascii_field: http://www.citlink.net/~bhima/emfcomp.htm << whole world of crackpottery. may be new to some folks
ascii_field: which is pumped away
ascii_field: shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina
asciilifeform has not personally attempted this
asciilifeform: speaking of experiments for the brave, it turns out that you can indeed cut thin steel with a 40w co2 laser if you connect an o2 tank, rather than the usual compressor, to the head nozzle
asciilifeform: '... On the available evidence it seems the aspirations of a small arrogant bunch of men who decided to impose a "New World Order'" on a host of very unwilling small sovereign nations, did not think the exercise through to its perhaps inevitable conclusion. Those same arrogant men have placed tens of millions of citizens at risk because of their own gross incompetence and thirst for absolute power. The "New World Order" now se
asciilifeform: uried in advance. Forget the "garbage truck", which was merely a decoy device. The crater is very impressive, measuring roughly forty feet deep by sixty feet in diameter.'
asciilifeform: mats: as nato reich continues its path down the drainpipe to join the earlier reichs, various folks' temptation to find out 'if the nukes still work
asciilifeform: punkman: considerably more interesting, imho, from same site: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/06/26/the-flare-path-computer-ambush
asciilifeform: bonus points for testing on heathen compilers
asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done
ascii_field: '(TS//SI//NF) BLARNEY Team assists S2C52 analysts in implementing Xkeyscore fingerprints that yield access to U.N. Secretary General talking points prior to meeting with POTUS.'
ascii_field: nothing earth-shaking, just a complete trojan system for idiots
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: at one point observed that 9 out of 10 malware samples i got to reverse were zeus variants
ascii_field: but afaik there was no simple, fast cutter
ascii_field: instead of dumping
ascii_field: it is called 'human compiler'
ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur'
ascii_field: then we're left with the 30MB footprint of the bugger itself + mempools
ascii_field: it simply took the money and ran
ascii_field: financed with kyc/aml compliant kickstartgogo
ascii_field: 'In addition, to prevent future capital losses of this kind, we have contracted with a vendor to provide “multi-sig” technology to better protect our hot wallet (this particular transfer could not have happened today) and hired a skilled technology company, Xapo, to assist in managing our cold wallet.'
ascii_field: 'In addition, we have paid out approximately $250,000 to programmers hired to rebuild and improve our platform; paid approximately $250,000 (and counting) to the Stroz Friedberg team; and at least $150,000 more for various security reviews, and legal and financial advice. These out of pocket costs are continuing to accrue.'
ascii_field: best one can hope for is to get it an order of magnitude below 'asteroid hits your computer' probability
ascii_field: decimation: ecc cannot be implemented in software
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: put copy of same in another country, i'll compare.
ascii_field: and as someone pointed out in last night's thread, let's compute the energy lost by failing to boil visa, mastercard execs into biodiesel
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182803 << NO! for fuxxsake, read it. it DOES NOT IMPLEMENT CRYPTO ROUTINES, rides on top of existing lib (e.g., openssl)
asciilifeform: 'Results of First 'Deterministic Sync' Experiment, With Memory Consumption Plots.'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: anomaly from last night ~wasn't~ replicated. eater successfully ate blocks through 217336 (shat the day before using 'dumpblock' from earlier sync with mircea_popescu's node)
asciilifeform: - It's a symbol, in the shitvi, explained his father, the King. You have to experience real loss to understand the importance of respecting the subterranean world and its rules. It's not easy to do. That's why when someone does it, he's considered truly an adult and counted with people. Until then his notions don't matter. I know what I say may seem absurd to you, but then again one day you'll be prepared, and willing to cut o
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu correctly observed that perpetuum mobile is pretty much the only thing that could save the shitempire
asciilifeform: phf: by far the simplest possible way is to simply walk the binary
asciilifeform: alternatively, write own (format is pretty simple)
asciilifeform: and compare individual ones
asciilifeform observes that the 'eater' has completed blk0001
asciilifeform: (because if sync is not complete, then naturally last blk**** will differ)
asciilifeform: mod6: differs ~while being complete~ ?
asciilifeform: this is an important point
ascii_field: mp_strange was on the 'stator' build
ascii_field: 'mp_strange' is the data set discussed earlier
ascii_field: $ sha256sum ~/.bitcoin_mp_strange/blk0001.dat
ascii_field: recall, we have 'dumpblock'
ascii_field: nor is mempool churning
ascii_field: and i never imagined i was the first to ever dump blocks - i think just about everybody had some 3rd party script thing to do it with
ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works
ascii_field: now it gathers dust - keyboard has three or so keys that flip the thing into jp mode, and they 'get pressed' constantly (on account of how cramped the thing is)
ascii_field: ' the NEC still wins over most portable computers of any time for the quality of its keyboard. This is a machine for typing on, and producing content, not for consuming content... Even now, nearly 30 years after production, it still works perfectly. The larger capacity modern rechargeable AA cells means that four of these will keep it running for weeks. Astonishing battery life compared with modern devices.'
ascii_field: dumpblock is non-destructive, aha
asciilifeform: hard to picture a sorrier bunch of bitter schmucks, eagerly taking it up the arse from history's biggest and most obscene communist mega-empire (usg) to spite their little piss-ant one
asciilifeform: i'm not certain that there ever was a ~less~ sympathetic bunch of dekulakized folks than the cuban 'refugees' in usa
asciilifeform: mats: some of the more interesting aspects are, as always, corner cases. e.g., how does x86-64 treat self-modifying code? how does this impact cache? can unpriv. ('ring 3') code learn cache state? (to some extent - always!) etc.
asciilifeform: there are at least two sub-fields here - how the machine is put together; and, what idioms are common (i.e. what does a particular compiler crap out and why?)
asciilifeform: (you ~can~, e.g., 'jmp rax')
asciilifeform: otherwise a decent compiler does multiple passes
asciilifeform: mats: if within bounds for relative jump, uses that
asciilifeform: if they ever feel like having an actual economy (or simply switching 'sugar daddies') they know who to call
asciilifeform: no one ever really built a halfway decent compiler for 'vliw' machines (like itanic)
asciilifeform: 'von neumann arch' traditionally means simply the very idea of having separate devices called memory and cpu
asciilifeform: physically had no way to 'jump into' data
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181475 << this is not even the worst known abuse. one book (forget whose) actually suggested 'just in time compilation' on arbitrary (!) machines by snarfing up binary routines from function pointers and memcpying them into a buffer, then (*foo)()-ing in...
asciilifeform: it is now also possible to elementarily ferret out certain kinds of leaks - e.g., does importing the same bastard block ten thousand times result in an increase in ram footprint ? if so, we have leak
asciilifeform: mod6: i, for one, am rather curious whether we still get 200M+ footprint when there is ~no~ mempool
asciilifeform: will be interesting to compare their blocks with ours.
asciilifeform: this will also shed some light on the effect of the mempool on resource consumption...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: in case this was not clear, it is now possible for the first time to carry out FULLY DETERMINISTIC tests of therealbitcoin (memory consumption, etc) by denying a node a net connection and syncing from disk using 'eatblock'.
asciilifeform: 'Using 'dumpblock' and 'eatblock', it is now possible to move blockchains around via various direct channels (e.g., pigeon.)'
asciilifeform: (before anyone asks: doesn't require the weird asciification that using 'getmemorypool' to import blocks would)
asciilifeform: the presumption is that a fella who is facing a return to life in hard prison might have an arse grenade, etc., or otherwise disinclined to 'go quietly'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181387 << my igprof patch for therealbitcoin is almost certainly b0rked by the 'dumpblock' addition. but fixing it ought to be trivial - good project for any of the less-experienced folks here
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181371 << almost inevitably the result of this simple experiment is quite unreadable. anyone who wants to try is welcome to: gcc -E
ascii_field: The SC is different from the SC in projects like gcc in that it does not make decisions. On this front nothing changed. The only difference is that Stallman now has no right to complain anymore since the SC he wanted acknowledged the status quo. I hope he will now shut up forever.'
ascii_field: 'Stallman recently tried what I would call a hostile takeover of the glibc development. He tried to conspire behind my back and persuade the other main developers to take control so that in the end he is in control and can dictate whatever pleases him. This attempt failed but he kept on pressuring people everywhere and it got really ugly. In the end I agreed to the creation of a so-called "steering committee" (SC).
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: last night i noticed that 'eatblock' is kinda already implemented: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#1780
ascii_field: anybody else (including mircea_popescu) compare their block hashes with those posted last night ?
asciilifeform: erratum: where i wrote 'O(N^2)' ought to be O(N). complexity of fetching ~all~ blocks is O(N^2).
asciilifeform is dumping and hashing all of the blocks he sucked from mircea_popescu's box earlier
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the block dumper patch yet ?
asciilifeform: (less, with compression)
asciilifeform: ./bitcoind dumpblock 217040 217040.bin
asciilifeform: ^ example, freshly pulled from mircea_popescu's box
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180504 << still need it, to, e.g., keep lusers from taking shits into the mempool
asciilifeform: hence why we need a mechanism to actually checksum the blocks and dump it to a man-readable form
asciilifeform is coming to think that we will be needing a mechanism for out-of-band (hashes, pgp) comparison of blockchains
asciilifeform: poettering et al are small change in comparison
asciilifeform: because literate folks, heard of 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-06-2015#1180198 << can't entirely agree here. every so often folks discover carriers diddling 'consumer' traffic in obscene ways (adding tracking crud to http, even) having gone by for years at a time with not a squeak from the chumps
asciilifeform: but of necessity many of the boxes involved in the ramp-up will be pc.
asciilifeform: until we actually get limited mempool, shoot fragging in the head, etc. pogo will be a bit slow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking of doing for ibmpc something like what i did for pogo
asciilifeform: at this rate, the thing will sync some time after the eeproms in my computer lose 9/10th of their bits
asciilifeform: as soon as he's out, 'reasonable' people will crawl in and 'make compromises'
asciilifeform: i will note that llvm (since i mentioned it again) is upon the most cursory examination a piece of shit, that wasn't even built to 'be good' - but simply with the one and only purpose of killing gcc.
asciilifeform: and anything purporting to be a human-readable spec is necessarily incomplete
asciilifeform: what's next, uterus gives her cramps so she ejects it ?
asciilifeform: but we have a buildable static(glibc) ibmpc build.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let me know if you were able to build my 'stator.' and if you think it makes sense to sweat over a uclibc build for ibmpc, where everything ~else~ is sitting on glibc...
asciilifeform: this build is intended for ibmpc
asciilifeform: trinque: when you plug a lamp into mains socket, does it 'express desire to conduct' ?
asciilifeform: this is not the only way to build a computer.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel has it. but in that article i was speaking of 'proper computer', not lispm.
asciilifeform: trinque: for this one, symbolics lisp is not a bad example. the key being that ~nothing can happen~ short of the nic catching fire that would land you on any level of abstraction below lisp
asciilifeform: trinque: there are no examples.
asciilifeform: (well, the smp control gizmo)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: straight to sbcl, where this is already a thing. plain computation works fine. it's when you get to i/o that you die
asciilifeform: jurov: i spoke of this earlier. it isn't a gavinsignal in the usual sense, but is produced by the crud where version numbers in incoming messages are averaged and compared
asciilifeform: nah that one's bog-simple anatomically
asciilifeform: of an empty post
asciilifeform: just example!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: here's an unassigned gun for some eager fella: crap out an ibmpc buildroot for therealbitcoin. as in, something one could throw in the iso slot at a datacentre
asciilifeform: see, i'm one of those weirdos who keeps, for instance, a computerized vacuum cleaner
asciilifeform: mats: many of the arguments against 'google dorm' don't hold water. e.g., the current 'collect 200k/y salary, give 180k/y to housing racket' system is just as impoverishing; 'lose your job, lose your housing' is just as true now for the fools paying those 180k to live in auto range of palo alto etc.; the squalor is just the same in the palo alto 'efficiency' flat as in any dorm; and so forth
asciilifeform shudders to think how much time he would blow on mpexing if he still had account
asciilifeform: they declined to fight in the 8bit comp wars, and... we still have a nintendo co. to kick around
asciilifeform: decimation: mega-emperor. to me he is ~the~ emperor of cn, very overworked subject in books on the place i had as a kid
ascii_field: the py one comes with example code iirc
ascii_field: just a copy of 'pgpdump'
ascii_field: how is asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip_ebed1af0253ef629bbef4bf2b2d1a94742a81f0e.patch an improvement over asciilifeform_ver_now_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.patch ?
ascii_field: and at any rate, i barfed as soon as i discovered that you can't meaningfully compose qt widgets without diving back into the cpp shit pit
ascii_field: trinque: now imagine if no part of the machine were exempt.
ascii_field: trinque: lisp (and i specifically refer to the accumulated advancements which add up to commonlisp world, rather than the barf of that field's equivalent of 'glbse' - e.g., 'clojure', 'newlisp', other halfwit retardations) handily obsoletes most of what passes for 'problems in computer science' as taught
ascii_field: re: wx: it is in fact out, but sits behind a bunch of empty #ifdefs
ascii_field: (into sov. pocket, not his own. important distinction)
ascii_field: if attempt capture - same
ascii_field: for simple questions like 'enter brainwallet pw' this requires no heroic tech
ascii_field: for starters, 3rd never managed (or even attempted) the feat of turning ~an entire planet~ into its toilet
ascii_field: 3rd reich 'nervously smokes in the corner' compared to the things 4th reich will be remembered for
ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/tsarnaev-1481.pdf << lulzy. ianal, but still had no idea that usa officially had 'total' forfeiture in penal code (i.e., not simply 'items used in connection with the crimes,' but ~everything the schmuck ever touched~)
ascii_field: the two i omitted are small and simple to merge back in when wanted.
ascii_field: dnsseed_snipsnip, orphange-thermonuke, orphange-tx-amputation, dns-thermonyukyoolar
ascii_field: including own compiler
asciilifeform: esp. in comparison with the turdmeisters' copy, which is so bloated it makes my browser cry
asciilifeform: so that thing may well stay up for a while, and no one ought to be surprised that it features a now-defunct chumpatron
asciilifeform: yezhov's was a complicated matter. in the sense that he wasn't 100% 'pet', showed signs of being willing and able to bite stalin. so had to go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only reason the usg-tronic 'department of fucking with bitcoin' is even theoretically of interest is that the machine isn't perfect. has some rust, sand in gears (as discussed, e.g., yesterday, re: mempool etc.) in effect there is a $maxint bounty by hitler for anyone who can demonstrably amplify the hiccups.
asciilifeform: the figure of lizardhitler in this affair was never disguised in earnest. he simply wore the traditional kabuki mask, pro forma
asciilifeform: with shame i admit that i not only took degree there, but was employed for a spell under the same roof ('umiacs') with these mega-heroes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc my father competed with the 'mcm'
asciilifeform: it will be interesting to set the 'misbehaviour' triggers for the orphans crud to max once we have a respectably-complete network of therealbitcoin nodes.
asciilifeform: no i meant the waiting-until-place-is-empty part
asciilifeform: mmmhhhmphhfm
asciilifeform: as i understand, we already have a 'bezzle' in the net - the unmetered resource, 'blank cheque,' of the mempools. as all 'meat in the sun without flies', it is a very ephemeral thing
asciilifeform: how does the operator determine anything whatsoever re: the validity of 'mempool fee' addressed to him ?
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, 'fee for mempool inclusion' is... an epicycle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this has a bit of a recursion problem: how does mempool operator know that he is being paid ?
asciilifeform: but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool
asciilifeform: this sorta turns mempool into even more of a logical albatross than it already is
asciilifeform: l0l, before long folks start asking for mempool inclusion fee, for self !?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what i was trying to get across earlier is that the very concept of 'mempool spam' is presently undefined
asciilifeform grasps mircea_popescu's implication that 'the only winning move' in the decimal-point chase game with shitgnomes is 'not to play'
asciilifeform: it is important to remember that there is no 'important' tx from the point of view of the network
asciilifeform: as i understand, they'd more or less have to be attempted doublespends
asciilifeform: unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ?
asciilifeform: i'll sign an identical patch sans the bump if anyone needs this.
asciilifeform: 2014 is the timestamp on the ~dir~
asciilifeform: (for preamp)
asciilifeform: iirc someone even sells a pc mobo with lamps
asciilifeform: 'warm lamp sound'
asciilifeform has a supply of vacuum valves, scavenged from ancient tv sets, has contemplated building amp. but this will happen - if happens - after the war.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: is that a vacuum valve amp ?
asciilifeform: without any weird amp box
asciilifeform: comparing with bog-standard 'bose qc15' which ~don't~ sound like russian telephone
asciilifeform: let me guess - they aren't standard impedance ?
asciilifeform discovered, during unrelated research, that xilinx's 'coolrunner' cpld series - a very simple programmable logic gizmo with very homogeneous/regular physical structure - can hold a simple risc cpu...
asciilifeform: herr stack ~did~ burn down an office hell (albeit empty)
asciilifeform: 'Colby asked if he could have a firing squad. No, Howard said, he could not. Howard said a firing squad would just be an ego trip for Colby, the blindfold and last-cigarette bit, and that Colby was in enough hot water already without trying to "upstage" everyone with unnecessary theatrics. Colby said he was sorry, he hadn't meant it that way, he'd take the tree. Tomas crumpled up the gibbet sketches he'd been making, in disgus
asciilifeform: that's like saying 'if going to stot, jump as little as you can'
asciilifeform: not physically impossible, just very gnarly.
asciilifeform: ;;google hochdruckpumpe
asciilifeform: not impossible to build hardware that eats 500g
asciilifeform: stamp collections ?
asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
asciilifeform: because mempool is by nature ephemeral
asciilifeform: whose mempool
asciilifeform: decimation: mempool size ?
asciilifeform: important to remember that sat constellation is not a permanent animal in any sense
asciilifeform: decimation: the sat folks are attempting a kind of chumpatron where 'let's build tiny sats that last 6 months'
asciilifeform: yes, because they did not invent monetize-consumer-chumps as the mega-weapon
asciilifeform: and god help you if your thing has to interact with components that you can't simulate (because you didn't design them, and what, other vendor is going to share its logic? dream)
asciilifeform: wake me up when somebody bakes a turing-complete gadget with no winblows used ANYWHERE in the brain-to-silicon road
asciilifeform: what difference if usg, or chinese emperor
asciilifeform: a bit oversimplified description, but yes, we make this.
asciilifeform: as in arbitrary code exec as result of crafted sample
asciilifeform: decimation: understand, every 'legit' corp. on the planet which employs reverse-engineers, incl. the arms of usg, buys ida.
asciilifeform: possibly 'mpex'
asciilifeform: it speaks 100% compliant gdb wire protocol
asciilifeform: decimation: the folks who have 'must work' as hard requirement still prefer the whole 'spend ten years with magnifying glass' to 'rethink computing'
asciilifeform: yes, they exempted software 'industry' from ~all~ consumer liability laws in '80s.
asciilifeform: decimation: i actually work for a firm which builds computers solely for this purpose
asciilifeform: with 20% more empty loops
asciilifeform: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/12/local/la-me-jack-tramiel-20120412 << tramiel didn't give a rat's arse re: computing 'big picture.' he was running a manufacturing concern, in the old 19th. sense in his mind, complete with 'muntzing'
asciilifeform: the death of cbm is a pretty well-documented subject, and revolved around their one and only unforgivable sin - royally pissing off their c64 install base by breaking compatibility
asciilifeform: how this can be compared to 'playstation' i cannot fathom
asciilifeform: again, it was a computer, sold as a computer, with 'anyone can write for this' and proper docs
asciilifeform: quite comparable to mid-90s msdos, in terms of pure technical 'effect'
asciilifeform: afaik cbm did not ever attempt to extort tribute from peripheral makers, or software devs
asciilifeform: compare in the flower of their youth, rather than, say, '93 when cbm was a vegetable
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175101 << there was! but it is a mistake to lump in amiga. cbm was still under delusion that it sold ~computers~ rather than 'system' (that is, complete slave planet like apple, where peripheral makers pay danegeld, etc)
asciilifeform: and the 'damage' was a tiny scratch on the bumper
asciilifeform: ditto for surgeons who specialize in the nearly-impossible, etc
asciilifeform: and yes, the 'software industry' is so utterly rotten that an individual act of deretardification has to be contemplated on own merits, rather than as 'market action', modellable with the usual rules. sorta like buying a russian nuke. sui generis.
asciilifeform distinguishes act of 'computing' from 'calculating'
asciilifeform: but computing in the modern, interactive-terminal sense came later.
asciilifeform: people ask why 'computing is different' and answer is that the field had the misfortune to appear at the same time as the great 'democratization' shit-lathering of the 20th c.
asciilifeform: which is what the 'computing industry' is largely about.
asciilifeform: if there were, e.g., a martian in orbit, known for his impeccable honesty, who offered to vaporize every last employee of microshit, present and past, for 10 btc - mircea_popescu would decline ?
asciilifeform: this is ~not~ like the scarcity of, e.g., 'real computer', where ~it doesn't matter if you're rich, it doesn't exist~
asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's idea of 'competence' approximately equals 'willing to dig in chernoble reactor for 2 rubles / hour'
asciilifeform: 'embed engineer' sounds simple, but he has to be permitted near the jewels, know what's worth stealing, ~and~ continue working for ~you~ rather than the nice fella who now signs his bonuses
asciilifeform: (incidentally, the success history of ussr attempting this was spotty, to say the least.)
asciilifeform: sure. but why would the 'anyone' make the result available gratis to his competition ?
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