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ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261558 << how might one have, physically, low-latency without high bandwidth? you could serialize the bits, and immediately get the other. it is only high bandwidth that does not automatically imply low latency
asciilifeform: who also make it impossible to ignore themselves
asciilifeform: (he would not do well in a ru flat. but allergy is really something you develop from hyper-hygienic conditions anyway. a man with roach allergy was an impossible thing where i come from)
asciilifeform: (there is a hilarious little book, by some american fella, 'stiff' - about process of decomposition and the practical applications of said field)
asciilifeform: important difference.
asciilifeform: if you don't have the circuitry, it is an insurmountable and - more importantly - entirely unappealing problem to solve.
asciilifeform: same reason why most people don't relish chimp cage
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sympathetic grunts informed via side-channel
asciilifeform: if i had 'the money', someone would simply whack me with a club &amp; take it.
asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you.
asciilifeform: mats: mcfood is not even the end of this line. theodore dalrymple tells us that the standard 'chavv class' brit's dinner is a bag of chips.
asciilifeform: or to compete with 19 y.o. in any way.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ? << that's the magic moment where engineer typically understands (or worse, does not) that the standard is a hierarchical imposition, rather than an act of education like teaching a child to add and substract
ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 << my attempt at enumerating 'what standards'
ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i will have you know that i combed ~5GB of packet dump and found not a trace of your magic tx.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if title is in company's name, the income - theoretically - is only the market value of leasing the property
ascii_field: shinohai: this is like comparing jumping from plane with and without parachute.
ascii_field: camping is a sport, there is neither the permanence of the situation nor the hordes of crazed sheeple and their more-cannibalistic upper crust
ascii_field: in usa, there are things you wouldn't believe. the sewer lines are often run up hill, with pumping stations buried underground.
ascii_field: 'emplace ied' works when you have ten million sympathetic natives for partizans to hide among, be fed and clothed by
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ascii_field: 'In this specific case, however, in order to prevent article subjects from continued shakedowns by bad actors who are causing significant harm to the reputation of this project, the articles are all being deleted. It is important to break the cycle of payment demands, and to make it clear that the Wikipedia community, and not a small group of paid editor accounts, controls the content of this project. This mass deletion
asciilifeform: but it is considerably easier to fake 'glows' than 'amplifies'
asciilifeform: same 'people' who put green paint on cd to 'improve sound', and buy $50k cabling ?
asciilifeform: i wonder if the fake folks skip the diffusion pump
asciilifeform: 'In the hulking pile of brick wrapped in pipes and smokestacks that is the building, most of the employees are women. Dressed in blue robes and hair nets, they join together delicate bundles of wire, wafers of rare metal and glass bulbs with fingers trained by years of work. "No man would want to make a tube," Lyudmila V. Afanasieva, 54, said, nimbly sliding wires into a glass cylinder. She worked on the same tube model when i
asciilifeform: ^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259619 << after 1945 zeiss was shipped wholesale - complete with all equipment, and enslaved staff - to su, and put to work there
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259538 << what 'its own' ? afaik there were z80, 6502, and a few pdp-compatibles. nothing 'own'.
asciilifeform: the dhs camps.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259507 << pretty much nobody else is showing any symptoms of having an idea as to ~what~ they are buying into.
asciilifeform: '...in 1969 a disastrous decision was taken to standardise all production on clones of the IBM 360 series, half a decade old before the effort to reverse-engineer it even began, which would ensure that ever after the Soviet industry was doomed to obsolescence, and to feeble belated imitations of foreign technology. This, taken from Boris Malinovsky’s Pioneers of Soviet Computing, is the conversation that killed the industry.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what line-up. employees follow orders in usa.
asciilifeform: for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1259238 << entirely impractical. 1) IT TAKES FOREVER 2) nothing can happen while it happens!
ascii_field: but this requires not only rewrite but the remaking of pgpdump lib !
ascii_field: phuctor is one of those things that is mechanically deadly simple on paper but very, very easy to fuck up irrevocably in practice
ascii_field: and it is the only way of having moduli be retestable without temporarily unphuctoring them
ascii_field: it was an ultra-minimal design, that cannot be changed at all without making 25x more complicated.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes. and nothing whatsoever can happen when it dumps
ascii_field: but impossible ?
ascii_field: jurov: colo is impossible now ?
ascii_field: but it is impractical to have it here
ascii_field: jurov: if this were me, and here in this town, i would set up the batteries, tamper sensors, mains loggers, camera...
ascii_field: let's have example ?
ascii_field: and if it is ever tampered in any way, becomes immediately apparent to everyone.
ascii_field: i dare say this may be an example of the kind of thing one doesn't actually need unless already in a state of dire sin
ascii_field: what we are attempting is rather like buying, cleaning, repairing old car; they - pulling off the wheels off someone else's parked machine, as in india
asciilifeform: the bug-for-bug compatibility thing ensures that nsa will follow bitcoin (yes, therealbitcoin) around, like an inoperable cancer
asciilifeform: 'The most important thing in such a creation is that it must be horrible. It must be self-evidently horrible. So horrible that everyone—even the idiots—could understand that this—this thing covered in blood, holding a torn-off human leg in its hand—is the only alternative to having the United States of America in complete control of everything. That burning people alive, mass executions, beheadings, sanctioned rapes—
asciilifeform: no gpg-compatible anything of any other kind exists anywhere.
asciilifeform: place pubkeys in the dir (defaults to home dir, subdir .wot) and, importantly,
asciilifeform: and dumps changed, in topo-order, with signators
asciilifeform: but there are no timestamps, remember !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have written on many occasions, that this (the froth) is why the very youngest of the folks worth anything in computerdom are circa early 1980s
asciilifeform: it was written in 'mulisp', which is compiled in such a way as to make this theoretically feasible.
asciilifeform: never know when a WORKING computeralgebratron will come in handy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally. in the mental universe various folks inhabit, nothing mircea_popescuine could even begin to contemplate happening.
asciilifeform: there are some very serious folks who are working on having it be forgotten that a 486 was an entirely usable thing, and in many ways a superior cultural artifact, all things considered, than the computer you and i are sitting in front of today
asciilifeform: more commonly it is simply to deny modern tech to the vanquished
asciilifeform: and is only alive because civilized man has not computed a +roi for neutron-bombing him
asciilifeform: they would, in fact, make exact copies of intel's crud (complete with nsa) -- if they could. (ever wonder why they do not?)
asciilifeform: re: 'nintendoized' cpu: folks who are counting on the chinese to 'carry the torch' of real computer, are fooling themselves
asciilifeform: in real world, 'telescreen' is not in every room but in every toilet stall, and people not only do not hide from it but pose for it, and complain about not enough resolution on the ccd.
asciilifeform: complete with systemd-in-silicon
asciilifeform: general-purpose programmable computer is far more feared by usg than the most powerful dynamite.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if you are expert with the language, do not hesitate to simplify routines / fix oddities of whatever kind, and post signed revisions...
ascii_field: i would offer to help kakobrekla but doubt that i could possibly improve on his process...
ascii_field: other than the camp followers
ascii_field: 'These companies are genuinely trying to do things right, to protect their customers, and prevent their businesses from facilitating criminal activity. We're proud to provide the KYC, fraud prevention, and monitoring technologies these businesses use to identify and prevent suspicious activity, as part of their AML program to comply with U.S. and international regulations.' << l0l!!
ascii_field: ^ perhaps i ought to explain. picture a patch mid-flow whose seal is annulled (removed, even if temporarily, from .wot)
ascii_field: well yes. but i put it in for a reason, because there are several things which i consider important which presently do not work correctly.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << possibly also this set of example
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the only timestamps worth anything are deedbot's
ascii_field: see the discussion of pgp key timestamps some months back
ascii_field: trinque, mircea_popescu, et al: there is another fine point re: 'v' that i'm a little surprised nobody asked about. how it does not distinguish signers from authors. it does not do this because it is physically impossible, other than via deedbot etc., and i am not in the business of promising the impossible.
ascii_field: trinque: i must dourly remind you that what you read was a very hasty and rough piece of work, that needs heavy work - particularly simplification of the graph walker
ascii_field: might need to tcpdump, 'wireshark' it.
ascii_field: general-purpose computing has been disappearing for 20 years without so much as a squeak, much less shots ringing out
ascii_field: (and not simply open source, but anything non-nintendoized)
ascii_field: preventing the firmware from operating the device outside of permitted ranges, the device still needs to comply with firmware security.'
ascii_field: basic idea here is an attempted ban on cheap chinese 'we won't lift a finger to enforce usg diktat' chipsets
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257082 << i loathe python per se. but the only realistic alternative was perl. (my original attempts at 'v' were in awk/sed, and did not work very well)
asciilifeform: (and a pinch of complexity theory)
asciilifeform: mats: re: compiler construction, i prefer aho's 'dragon book' to appel
asciilifeform: and, more importantly, крепыши are not 'little fat men'
asciilifeform puts 'tx dumper' on list of necessaries
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what in this case is 'coopted' ? even a tree stump can see that the buggers love to ddos
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256413 << therein lies the boojum. implemented by whom? when ?
asciilifeform: as attacks of every conceivable kind ramp up.
asciilifeform: it is quite conceivable that a node can only be run for the abstract imperial glory of something else, something very lucrative
asciilifeform: 'But while they're definitely (relatively) safer than the early versions, the Osprey is still not safe enough to entrust with the leader of the free world's life. As such, the presidential Osprey has not yet been designated a "white top," meaning President Obama is not allowed on board, but is currently undergoing further reliability testing. There's no word on when that will be completed, so for now, it will serve as a $67 mi
asciilifeform: i am reminded of the old thread re: mpex disk drives.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1256108 << empirically, it does very poorly. though, interestingly, i am reading the log now and may have discovered another force at work
asciilifeform: it is just something people ~do~, like the boyars impaled by ivan iv famously screaming 'god save the tsar' as their arses stretched
asciilifeform: see also the 'gimp and photoshop' thread from a few wks ago.
asciilifeform: ^ not even re: chimps! funny how forgot this
asciilifeform: it is like asking to not only have campfire, but mammoth hunt, in the kitchen.
asciilifeform: using c on lispm did not win you anything in any other case. it is rather like starting a campfire on the floor of your kitchen
asciilifeform: there were also experiments in imprisoning them together in specially-designated zones where they would be permitted to rapidly kill off one another.
asciilifeform: (the most notable successes, iirc, were when they hogtied 'blatnoi' leaders and methodically shipped them to distant camps where they would be lowered into pederasty immediately, with all necessary force)
asciilifeform: trinque: btw it was not clear to the folks who ran the camps, that this naturally-occurring system of hierarchy was a net plus re: net tonnage from the mines. hence the 'vory/suka wars' mircea_popescu referenced, a famous case where su authorities tried to monkey with the 'org chart'
asciilifeform: the invention of 'шарашка' demonstrates that the chimp trick works great on man.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: caveat: do you recall the experiment with the beaten chimpanzee ?
asciilifeform: herr w has a considerable, imho psychiatric, 'greatness complex'
asciilifeform: you're stuck with the imposed retardation
asciilifeform: can't say whether it is a biological effect or simply the matter of being in a room with small children entire day
asciilifeform: don't discount the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning
asciilifeform: he pictured originality in thought as something like the 'temperature' in a simulated-annealing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every sysadmin loves vi and nano, even. but programming in common lisp in an editor which doesn't automatch parens and autoindent is an example of something i might do in hell
asciilifeform: properly sane people, for example, tend to stick to +ev activities.
asciilifeform: hence better example of 'lisp as newton's mercury'
asciilifeform: (rms would be a better example)
asciilifeform: not sure if this adds anything to mircea_popescu's line of thought, but it is known that paul graham wrote common lisp programs using... vi. this drives me to barking madness after five minutes, and it is difficult to picture what brain might look like after a whole year of it, or what said brain must have looked like to even contemplate doing such a thing.
asciilifeform: it is impossible to do anything like proper thinking with sc4mz0rated priors
asciilifeform: it helps to be a no older than 5 y.o. orc who has never seen or heard of a computer.
asciilifeform: presumption being that planet ought to resemble a poultry plant
asciilifeform: imposed by fuck-knows-what.
asciilifeform: not only does it not, but it absolutely impossible to do anything re: the running product having to be recalculated on warmup without 1) increasing complexity 25x 2) slowing down processing palpably
ascii_field: i'd rather have uncle al's room temp supercon
ascii_field: mod6: 213.x.y.z is the vampire imho
ascii_field: (it is not given to any one language to have all the jumpers set)
ascii_field: they would not be feared if it were simple to kill'em
ascii_field: herr adlai was not a moron, actually was a pretty competent common lisp hand
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254409 >>> i stopped reading at 'Many distributions have partnered with Microsoft to sign their released kernels with a key that is already recognized by most system manufacturers, therefore saving you the trouble of having to deal with key importing.'
asciilifeform: adlai, unlike various idlers, actually had a very spiffy project. one which very much resembled something i've attempted to write myself.
asciilifeform: but he gave the impression of being somewhat pankkaked even earlier.
asciilifeform: just lost his mp-rating
asciilifeform: the orcs who shoot at local cops are - all but formally - salaried employees of usg. doing what they were paid for.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled, they'd love to use.
asciilifeform: (a small computer which is not ~quite~ large enough to comfortably run gcc on)
asciilifeform: trinque: importantly, 'v' is stateless other than the three directories spoken of earlier.
asciilifeform: i have already written the 'mathematical' portion. which actually snarfs up and computers the graph flows, and checks sigs
asciilifeform: none of that 'import' and 'retrieve' idiocy
asciilifeform: half a dozen or so complete fetches.
asciilifeform: good example of discipline where 'alchemy' predominates
asciilifeform: (they don't, typically, have the decency to impale themselves)
asciilifeform: but you do. of legionaries. to impale the pseudoscientists.
asciilifeform: computing's easier
asciilifeform: st two people on this list are complete scientific frauds. Probably, most of them are.'
asciilifeform: you could make a simple flashlight just from the battery, a lamp, and bit of electrician's tape.
asciilifeform: for american folks who've never seen one, it can be found on the far left-hand side of this photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantern_battery#/media/File:Batteries_comparison_4,5_D_C_AA_AAA_AAAA_A23_9V_CR2032_LR44_matchstick-1.jpeg
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253471 << i know of a fella who was in gulf war I. his father looked down on him for not having suffered being taken prisoner in vietnam; his father's father looked down on the latter for not having been abused by north koreans in korean war captivity; and his uncle - for not having been in japanese prison camp in ww2.
asciilifeform: in 'dataflow' concept, your computer is actually a barrel full of very small computers. most of them perhaps idling at any given time.
asciilifeform: modern network chip is also implemented in quite the same way - it gets a chunk of memory to itself and drops incoming frames there, and waits for magic bit upon which it will crap out its buffer (also there) onto the wire
asciilifeform: and it exists in isolated instances in your computer right now. for instance, disk has own computer. as does your vga card, which, as mircea_popescu pointed out, must scan forever
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253522 << must dig out this thread, because this is when i point out that the generalization of this principle - 'if it really has to happen all the time, it ought to have dedicated silicon' - is called 'dataflow computation'
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253515 << if speaking of existing hardware, there is no shortage of 'computers' which cost pocket change and each can run just about anything one might care to
ascii_field: mats: it is possible to build computer which ~genuinely~ isolates processes. just like it is possible to build indoor plumbing which reliably separates shitwater and drinking water.
ascii_field: mats: don't conflate 'msdos complexity' for 'msdos security model'
ascii_field: mats: i have often named historical examples of 'fits in head.' but you choose to ignore them. why ?
ascii_field: mats: that's easy: any and all of them which add complexity
asciilifeform contemplates 'pools are a fatal bug
asciilifeform: hint for anybody contemplating this line of adventure: ~don't~ ask 'encrypted how' before bidding.
asciilifeform: was interested, for instance, in mining, but at no point contemplated buying anything or paying anyone to do it
asciilifeform: in so far as there is greater complexity, there is greater 'attack surface,' and the result is in every sense softer, squishier, and more turdlike, rather than 'hardened'
ascii_field: they own the ip range of the vampire tap (discussed earlier)
ascii_field: (empty box)
asciilifeform: they have a bottomless barrel of 'improvements'. if that fails, it'll be 'environmentally-friendly minerless distribution' or some other crock of shit
asciilifeform: though, you gotta love the very special imbecile who complained about the 'risk' of being paid bet winnings in '1mbcoin'
asciilifeform: alice@example.com
asciilifeform: srsly, that thumbdrive shit blew me away, it's like you were walking in a medical school campus and found a disk full of guides to bloodletting
asciilifeform: srsly the whole computer thing never quite happened.
asciilifeform just got back from the house of a phriend who, i shit thee not, filled two notebooks with one derivation, pen and paper, because ~none of the computeralgebrasystems he could find were able to swallow it~
asciilifeform: or as with the toddler example,
asciilifeform: you can get dampeners.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2015#1252205 << l0l, i always imagined mircea_popescu had a wooden panel full of analogue gauges for mpex, a ship's telegraph for changing course, and a speaking horn for dictating more complex orders
asciilifeform: (this is also done from inside 'v'. but, importantly, it also works - must work - manually.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and now we know why he made no attempt to parallelize, also.
asciilifeform: 'In SpreadCoin mining is organized in such way that miner must know the following things: 1. Private key corresponding to the coinbase transaction. 2. Whole block, not only its header. ... Pool may detect and ban cheating miners. However, many miners may still prefer to cheat so that pool will be completely unusable for honest miners.'
asciilifeform: 'usg employees don't even get fiat' << this is true in a strictly technical sense. but in fact senior nomenklatura ('ses' and up, but also grey-usg folk like uni professors) bring in very decent dough via 'contracting' and pseudo-industrial gigs.
asciilifeform was contemplating the apparent fact that: whatever other things the rogue's gallery of stoolies, shills, miscellaneous usg vermin got in reward for their collaboration, coin does not appear to be among them. hence there is likely massive enthusiasm for anything that smacks of destroying or at least defiling bitcoin, on grounds of sheer envy
asciilifeform: much entomological sample, so scarce the ddt.
asciilifeform: (and, optionally, disk dma req. complete)
asciilifeform: i worked it out. the only interrupt handlers one even needs, are a) timer b) nic frame ring buffer (tx, rx) full/empty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: best kernel improvement is to single-task the thing
asciilifeform: mod6: don't bother signing the tarballs, they are included for completeness. the thing to be signed is vpatches.
asciilifeform: mats: a shill may well say it, to gain sympathy
asciilifeform: but it is an old-fashioned tool, does not check that barrel is not pointed at your temple before whacking the firing pin.
asciilifeform: 'We are unable to explain the true nature of these patches in public because they guard against absolutely terrible DoS exploits that can take down ANY Bitcoin node. So instead we called it, "Minor efficiency improvement in block peer request handling." which is somewhat true of the patch.'
asciilifeform: 'FWIW adding SSL to the protocol is a fairly relatively non-invasive change. It might be worthwhile to implement that first as a means to test the developers you wish to hire to later implement partial mode.' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: hanbot: you can examine your .o files with objdump
asciilifeform: hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked !
asciilifeform: that way folks wouldn't perforate bumper in the night
asciilifeform: it is tempting.
asciilifeform: it was as 'mean girlz' as anything from tardstalk-mpoe-era
asciilifeform: we are perhaps at the level of ampere and faraday, analogously, but nowhere near maxwell.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a'+'c' - 'what facts can or cannot be mathematically proven about a computer program? and when?'
asciilifeform: hanbot: i dare say that the concept of idempotence is key re: bitcoin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'distinguish 'fail-safe' and 'fail-deadly' mechanisms. give a common example of each.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a' - 'what is idempotence ?'
asciilifeform: (example of 'arithmetically-challenged-and-doesn't-know-it')
asciilifeform: Adlai: another more subtle example, see the earlier link today with the 'otp was debunked now!111!!11!' imbecile
asciilifeform: srsly designers of microcomps helped to spread the most bizarre misconceptions about what is rare and costly and what is common as shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: without concept of randomness, it is impossible to explain why it is that what the idjits did was idjotic
asciilifeform: unless catastrophically misimplemented
asciilifeform: i still don't see it, btw. if re-encrypting could result in weakening, it would be a cryptoanalytic tool (as it in fact is for certain misimplemented rsatrons, actually)
asciilifeform: 'Indeed imagine a world where messages broadcasted publicly could be recorded. A world where screen shots and web archiving tools can preserve the content of broadcasted messages indefinitely, and where comparing the publication medium to an archived record can reveal otherwise unannounced retractions. In short imagine the real world as it actually is.' << gold
asciilifeform: 'millenials' enlisting in some crackpot 'boot camp' and paying for the privilege of receiving the whippings father never gave'em, etc
asciilifeform: ’s campus.' (from same rag)
asciilifeform: could simply mean a 300 baud link over 'diode' and optical fiber, to next room, with 24/7 eyes watching the text
asciilifeform: mike_c: iirc mpex runs using meatbots carrying ciphertext/plaintext to/from.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: please try to avoid referring to common lisp as 'clisp' in the interest of not confusing n00bz - clisp is a thing, it is a (pretty poor) free implementation of common lisp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not in the 'morals' business. but personally prefer the company of folks who wash, at least on occasion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point is that china is different from ro, ar, usa, in several interesting ways which mircea_popescu appears to heavily discount the importance of. perhaps he has own reasons for this, but i couldn't possible know them..
asciilifeform: simply because bloodwot.
asciilifeform: perhaps completes the picture if i reveal that the man had wife, 2 y.o. son, back home. and they lived very well off his chickenfeed salary.
asciilifeform: but i reasoned that if mircea_popescu were an aficionado of mega-emptyspace, he'd be in patagonia now
asciilifeform: mostly empty, like usa, ru, or au
asciilifeform: y'know, the place which makes ru look civilized, friendly, inviting in comparison
asciilifeform: that exe is still out there, somewhere. who wants a fairly simple student project !
asciilifeform used to encounter unmistakeable examples with some regularity
asciilifeform: if simply trying to verify sigs, the python-gpg crud sorta works.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249705 << i find it interesting that there is ~exactly one~ actual, working implementation of pgp
asciilifeform: mats: to the point, there are ~NO~ usable reimplementations of gpg presently.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: (they gotta be homogeneous, as in following the same dir pattern as in 'genesis', to avoid unnecessary complexity in my proggy)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we zapped the timestamps
asciilifeform: antonosika: in what way are you presently distinguishable from an impostor ?
asciilifeform: punkman: correct, there were extraneous bytes in the linked example.
asciilifeform: (yes, moar complicated, and could - and has - fill a bookcase. but this is the 1line version in my head)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes. didn't say 'no one did this', just 'no shortage of sane examples'
asciilifeform: fortunately it is not in my job description! but no shortage of historic examples to choose from..
asciilifeform: and also idk, for an empty ballsack it's jizzing pretty well
asciilifeform: let's try example? the american universities who pioneered socialist claptrap. did they get cut off from endowments by american industrialists for doing so? 1900s
asciilifeform: nah, the socialmedia folks are enforcers of the actual vampires.
asciilifeform: but it is a wot of vampires of mankind.
asciilifeform: the way i read him, he saw 'socialism' (in the sense of industry having a single mega-imperial owner) as a done deal, with the only question being whether the end result would have a gestapo flavour, british ponce buggery flavour, or some other
asciilifeform: but i don't see that this necessarily qualifies him as a tard. how is one to love something which is incompatible with your own existence ?
asciilifeform: at one point, iirc, he quotes the mega-liturgical 'The rich man in his castle, / The poor man at his gate, / God made them, high or lowly, / And ordered their estate.' as an example of the kind of thing that killing christianity finally nailed, and he can't bring himself to miss it
asciilifeform: what was he to do, cry over the corpse like his contemporaries? then we would not be reading!
asciilifeform: except it was not, largely, 'law' which maintained order. 'law' was simply the religious incantation uttered by judge before a troublemaker was sent to meet his fate
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