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mod6: oh the functionallity of "automatically pruning empty files" ?
assbot: These people should be shot, basically. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MLfqT6 )
phf: mod6: yes
phf: "Normally this option is unnecessary, since patch can exam- ine the time stamps on the header to determine whether a file should exist after patching."
mod6: ah, thx phf
mod6: now my sha256 manifests match from the original to the one-shot whole orchestra
mod6: for rel1 & rel2
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00072352 = 7.3799 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: This script is huge, but does quite a bit too. I'll post it and the resulting rel1.vpatch and rel2.vpatch here in a bit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00072582 = 24.9682 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: I dunno why it says error... links work for me.
mod6: Anyway, here are the hashes for the rel1.vpatch & rel2.vpatch
mod6: SHA256 (rel1.vpatch) = 717171ffffce57b7008968a4d8eb2a627f8fe45e4ed8eb15634fd1c1ddf868c5
mod6: SHA256 (rel2.vpatch) = b951c4a56a362e8f936b65531298a2dad9cb456e3b15118f26ca9f61e5b9a97f
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00072602 = 26.8627 BTC [+]
mod6: Don't feel like it's a waste of time either to create your own method to generate these vpatches and see if we come out with the same resultant hash.
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assbot: Ashley Madison Suicide: Man On Hacked List Kills Himself As Users Try To Remove Their Names From Ashley Madison Leaked List ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrWvMC )
pete_dushenski: 'as users try to remove their names' ??
pete_dushenski: what is this, the right to be forgotten ?
cazalla: police officer no less!
trinque: I demand for this to never have happened at once!
pete_dushenski: justice has been served
pete_dushenski: trinque: sorta what political correctness is, in a nutshell, y'know
pete_dushenski: 'indians should've never sucked so badly that they literally shat their skirts when they first saw a gun'
pete_dushenski: 'so let's not bring that up'
mats: i dunno that guns were such an advantage against the white man.
mats: err, for the white man*
trinque: where'd the indians go then?
mats: state of the art -- muskets.
mats: smallpox, for one
trinque: actually, we do have to credit disease
trinque: yep
pete_dushenski: guns are nukes now, they do actually work in the battlefield
pete_dushenski: sure, disease was a thing, partly incidental, possibly intentional
trinque: in either case, thinking one can persuade reality otherwise is a mental illness
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assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 18:05:26; asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, tr0l0l0l, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482&cpage=1#comment-17278
pete_dushenski: if only taleb could handle such turds, he'd be here
pete_dushenski: alas, too aged is he
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 18:50:57; mircea_popescu: what part of doublethink you think got cancelled ? the man with two maja desnudas simply is twice as happy.
pete_dushenski: "oh hey look what i found in this shoebox!"
pete_dushenski: but speaking of goya, after the local art gallery was revamped a few years back, it finally snagged itself a goya exhibit, which was my first and only exposure to the spaniard's etchings
pete_dushenski: the man had an affinity for the gallows, to be sure, not unlike stan's really
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assbot: Why Your Team Sucks | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Joq8aZ )
pete_dushenski: answer: 'you' ?
ben_vulpes: disease wasn't intentional at all, some vast majority was wiped out by unrecorded initial explorers of the americas
ben_vulpes: see 1941
ben_vulpes: even more lulzy, pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: basically, conformal's public thinger got hacked.
ben_vulpes: righteously.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ya, just scanned, reads exactly, and i do mean ~exactly~ like wp spam
assbot: Why Your Team Sucks | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrYsbY )
pete_dushenski: 'awaiting moderation'
pete_dushenski: jic : "I wasn’t always a fan of your blog but you guys are really picking up your game ! Way to go !!"
ben_vulpes: dem cookies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00072735 = 9.6374 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: regarding el gran teatro, have you been to a proper milonga yet?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248583 << my ol' romanian grandfather taught me this one... "non est disputandum" !
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 19:03:59; mircea_popescu: "de gustibus" ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes sure.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248594 << there's always modigliani if you're in need of a cure for 'pieface'
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 19:09:30; mircea_popescu: anyway, upon consideration venus does have to some degree the sharp features of the ideal fox. at least moreso than all the piefaces everyone wants to paint for some reason
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I demand for this to never have happened at once! << somehow reminds me of lweiss carroll
pete_dushenski: 'almond eyes' being amadeo's solution
pete_dushenski: 'i'm late, i'm late, i'm late for an important date!'
pete_dushenski: more 'red queen' i suppose
assbot: A Beautiful Mind | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrZ1Te )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i like the guy's thinking. "it's hard and i suck therefore whatevs."
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski goya is the definitive alf artist imo.
pete_dushenski: too true.
assbot: On Walmart. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrZdls )
mircea_popescu: ahahaa conformal blog got hijacked ?
mircea_popescu: ahahahah lol modigliani. "o you don't like pieface ? try longface!"
mircea_popescu: fucking nuclear winter.
pete_dushenski: choices !
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248602 << my parents have a rather convincing 'kandinsky' at their place
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 19:13:28; mircea_popescu: ely almost entirely on expert opinion concerning the quality of the art, that is to say, is the quality of the art being examined of the quality expected of a painting by the artist—in this case, Caravaggio.
pete_dushenski: apparently 'not real' but who the fuck knows
pete_dushenski: maybe time for 2nd, 3rd opinion
pete_dushenski: then again, they're not rothschilds so prolly doesn't much matter
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mircea_popescu: "Among intelligent Communists there is an underground legend to the effect that although the Russian government is obliged now to deal in lying propaganda, frame-up trials, and so forth, it is secretly recording the true facts and will publish them at some future time." << meta non-asshole stalinism!
punkman: lol
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mats: wapo decided to publish pics of master keys to approved tsa luggage locks
mats: win
mats: nao to acquire bump set
trinque: this "TSA-approved lock" is a thing?
trinque: ah I guess the alternative is having them cut your lock off, lol
mats: yes
mircea_popescu: mechanical locks ?!
mircea_popescu: this is like windows antivirus already.
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mircea_popescu: !rated wences
assbot: wences is not registered in WoT.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245663 <<< any value in the opposite.. say +1 if such and such individual shows up?
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 19:53:20; trinque: felipelalli: 'twas above that one, BingoBoingo made a deed in which he promised to rate certain individuals -10 should they ever appear in the WoT
mircea_popescu: but same.
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assbot: Nihilist Arby's (@nihilist_arbys) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdpfFb )
punkman: "10am:Traffic is terrible. You're running out of gin. The girl in the trunk won't stop screaming. She'll be dead soon. So will you. Eat arbys"
punkman: "Draw the blinds. shut out the sun. Cry. The pile of meat has been on the table for weeks. Just eat it & go back to bed. Arbys: edible."
punkman: "Why not wash down that regrettable semen-of-the-coke-dealer taste in your mouth with a little Arbys? Arbys: no one here cares what you do."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00073127 = 7.8977 BTC [+]
punkman: "Here's a little late night inspiration: you're ugly, your one night stand will notice your fat rolls and you'll die alone. Arbys: remorse"
punkman: "The only way out of this nightmare is the sweet release of death, so fuck it. have another sandwich, fatty. Arbys: to your nadir and beyond"
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gribble: Time since last block: 37 minutes and 38 seconds
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mircea_popescu: !up hazirafel100
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19628 @ 0.0007385 = 14.4953 BTC [+]
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 100.09 B (100%) on Yes, 0.01 B (0%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 99`986 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to donate some btc...
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mircea_popescu: !up smoots
smoots: hello, Phuctor is returning a 500 Internal Server Error when submitting a new key
mircea_popescu: usually happens when it eats up all the memory doing long number manipulation. give it a few hours and try again
smoots: okay, thank you!
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wyrdmantis: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1244364 asciilifeform can you explain me why this is relevant? i person i know has told me that L2 chache is irrelevant because "the working set of memory pages veryfing ECDSA signatures is extremely small and takes places also in L1” I don’t have counter-arguments with him because this is not my field but… i trust your opinion more. Also he says that the use of ssd make
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 21:14:31; ascii_field: cpu l2 cache
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mod6: my rotor+TEST2 has fully sync'd on gentoo. (3rd full sync with -verifyall)
thestringpuller: congrats mod6
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mod6: ty
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DIRECT] 500 @ 0.00208192 = 1.041 BTC [-]
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danielpbarron: !up refferedbyloper
danielpbarron: !rated bagels7
assbot: You rated user bagels7 on 11-Nov-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: he's got a decent attitude; just a little confused..
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.bagels7.2:38b49956fb99a7f6474c2916462ecb357a66dca60c363fb3a8e7686a90f8d5b8
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for bagels7 from 3 to 2 with note: met on tinychat; might be useful some day
danielpbarron: !rated jurov
assbot: You rated user jurov on 04-May-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: He's good for holding 10-100 bitcoin..
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.jurov.4:f2d3bfe737eab025c77e7c1630ba3f2d4b473fa3995786f72d9d725b6e44194f
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 3 to 4 with note: coinbr to eulora exchanger
danielpbarron: !rated alevin
assbot: You rated user alevin on 21-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: boring mental case that fetishizes abstinence.
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.alevin:238b74cd0e0fb7b383ce485d0c41505f934d63ffe3179dcb344c8f1ef683df9b
assbot: Successfully unrated alevin
danielpbarron: !rated birdman
assbot: You rated user birdman on 24-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: He's stubborn, but still young..
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.birdman.3:7fe85ec3373579ab54bc0e2573e6f6dbc8f875c3f8a75cda5a2bfc98c98e9ca9
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for birdman from 2 to 3 with note: met in person; known for years; fellow Eulorian
danielpbarron: !rated gunplay
assbot: You rated user gunplay on 02-Jul-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: met at porcfest; sold me a paper wallet.
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.gunplay:2ab1ab4cae479127fcb20b51b41668181a46bf81dd53fd473c644b9f0ea1fb30
assbot: Successfully unrated gunplay
danielpbarron: !rated btc_trader
assbot: You rated user btc_trader on 30-Jun-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: met at porcfest https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/483646332708483072 ; traded BTC for my cash face-to-face..
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.btc_trader:1dd327ee9da9267401574416172a2a701e796c74f35503cbb858f930cfc9b8ea
assbot: Successfully unrated btc_trader
danielpbarron: !rated kyuupichan
assbot: You rated user kyuupichan on 23-Jun-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: met at porcfest https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/481122040217616384.
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.kyuupichan.-1:2f91fd10e38ffd898d435ca984311c39b9c5201bf958714dc3d2024b5a8bd861
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kyuupichan from 2 to -1 with note: met at porcfest; been idling for a while with nothing to contribute
danielpbarron: !rated kuzetsa
assbot: You rated user kuzetsa on 20-Aug-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: A girl in #bitcoin-assets!.
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.kuzetsa:3263af76580054ced0882f4db9f2eeee56d30ee0b174207d81690c79ef368d73
assbot: Successfully unrated kuzetsa
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis ssd is irrelevant in the discussion. "memory pages" is also irrelevant i nthe discussion. apparently it's not that person's field either.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron http://i.imgur.com/TlfulMF.jpg << apparently #b-a is ALL women.
mats: lol wtf
mats: 'Battle for blocksize'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00073906 = 8.9426 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
danielpbarron: take it the guy with the weird glasses is gavin, and the girl with the breastplate is supposed to be hanbot?
davout: danielpbarron: guy with glasses looks like jean reno
danielpbarron: i don't know who that is, but it looks like gavin's twitter pic
davout: that too
danielpbarron: some steampunk thing
danielpbarron: who is the lion? MP?
mircea_popescu: but hanbot's not cali-blonde
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hanbot: <danielpbarron> take it the guy with the weird glasses is gavin, and the girl with the breastplate is supposed to be hanbot? << moar like scoopbot, by the looks of those hands.
mircea_popescu: hands r hard mmkay ?
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assbot: Tomahawk - God Hates a Coward - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHmE8X )
mod6: the fox in the red says "here's where we're going to tie you to a chair and dunk you in the river."
mats: furries...
mod6: the chick with 3 fingers thinks its a good idea. and gavin says "hey, you can't do that!" to the lion. the lion says, "we WILL do that."
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assbot: BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 1.44 B (18%) on Yes, 6.4 B (82%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 1 day| weight: 63`773 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5ArQc )
mod6: still a ways to go there... or maybe a bet on QE4
mod6: closed @ 16`459 on friday.
mircea_popescu: nuts that a 30% drop is priced at 18% .
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00073426 = 31.6099 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up refferedbyloper_
mats: gpg requires a private key to do signature verification
mats: this doesn't seem to make any sense from a pure crypto standpoint
mats: fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
mircea_popescu: does not.
mircea_popescu: it requirues the pubkey.
mats: all the libraries i've read require a private subkey
davout: mats: prolly because it relies on you having a keyring to which it associates trust levels for private keys
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh ."a".
mircea_popescu: they're "nobody would ever want" level implementation.
mircea_popescu: they assume it's ok to "require networking" because it makes X thing easier and "who would ever want to run without networking"
mats: welp, time to smash a keyboard out back
mats: so much for demeter's law
mircea_popescu: "public education" and "we should encourage more people to get into high paying tech jobs".
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davout: mats: just tried it
davout: with a keyring, but no private key at all, gpg reports signature correctness and short ID
davout: also required me to import the relevant public key into the key ring
mats: i haven't seen any python libraries that enable this behavior without shelling out to the binary (or maybe i'm retarded, i dunno)
mats: i am very hesitant to code sig verification in a standalone context but this seems to be the best play here...
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere.
mats rummages around for his copy of crypto engineering
mircea_popescu: "Some time back altcoins were thought to be potential challengers to BTC. But as time went on we realised that BTC was never going to be removed from the throne.
mircea_popescu: I see the current block size debate in similar fashion. It seems almost inevitable that we will get bigger blocks (probably with XT) because the alternatives will not work well enough, soon enough."
mircea_popescu: historically, X never happened. I believe X will happen now, because I think so.
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 21:19:55; mats: i haven't seen any python libraries that enable this behavior without shelling out to the binary (or maybe i'm retarded, i dunno)
asciilifeform: mats: to the point, there are ~NO~ usable reimplementations of gpg presently.
asciilifeform: not one.
asciilifeform: (the one pushed by the netbsd folks, notably, calls out to... openssl!!111!!!)
mircea_popescu: pretty amusing how on some basic demographics, all the various groups doing various "better bitcoins" come out drastically in support of bitcoin-xt. it'd seem the people who agree bitcoin needs "improvement" is 80% the people who already agreed with this, unsuccessfully.
mircea_popescu: nxt-ers and ripplers and what have you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: their logic, to the extent there is any, is approximately 'nothing grows till the oak hits the ground'
asciilifeform: 'if bitcoin dies, our shitcoinz could have a chance!'
mircea_popescu: if anyone's bored, here's a simple job : take all reddit accounts > 1 year old that are in favour of xt, count the ones who weren't also active in some other historically failed fork attempt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mebbe.
mircea_popescu: certainly the two major groups that stand to win from harming bitcoin are govt shills and the idiots they cater to.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu you want to hear a funny story
fluffypony: I've been fairly vocal in denouncing -XT and the whole way Hearn-ia and Gavin have been pushing their agenda
fluffypony: so the Redditards have taken to telling me that I don't support XT because it's in my interest for Bitcoin to fail
fluffypony: damned if you do, damned if you don't
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which reminds me, apparently monero does just fine with the oak. somehow.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony heh.
mircea_popescu: yes, but there's a difference between statistics and redditart say-so.
mircea_popescu: do teh count, see.
mircea_popescu: redditart lol.
mircea_popescu: sadly, no womenz to be had, but anyway.
mats: 17:32:27 <+asciilifeform> ... << there are none. << i appreciate the confirmation
mircea_popescu: point was agreed to before i think. which is how the discussion re what pgp implementation must be like got started.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : the only thing this faux controversy has actually shown, is that the antiquated model of governance inherited by the power rangers from satoshi plainly does not work.
mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets weathered it fine. the bitcoin foundation mailing list weathered it fine. the old mailing list is practically dead for any useful purpose.
mircea_popescu: theymos tried to salvage reddit through doing what he wouldn't do to save bitcointalk three years ago ; this failed to work, reddit-bitcoin shattered.
mats: asciilifeform: it seems 'asignify' does not link openssl
mircea_popescu: leaving probably r/buttcoin as the schellign point, which honestly...
mircea_popescu: best thing ever. let them have the retard mass that success brings in. socialism deserves its fruits
mats: hafta read all of it, brb...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.0007378 = 1.9183 BTC [+]
mats: asciilifeform: 'signify' does not appear to link openssl either... am i missing something or wut?
mircea_popescu: !up refferedbyloper
mircea_popescu: if that dow opens under 15k tomorro...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0007378 = 6.3451 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10452 @ 0.0007378 = 7.7115 BTC [+]
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 100.09 B (99%) on Yes, 1.01 B (1%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 99`855 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUaTkm )
mircea_popescu: really, reddit as a concentration camp for shitheads is not nearly going far enough.
mircea_popescu: there must be active extermination, not just, "get them fat and shut in".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00073906 = 12.1575 BTC [+] {3}
funkenstein_: i loled at "rebbit" in logs (amphibitards? psheepers?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23923 @ 0.00073907 = 17.6808 BTC [+]
funkenstein_ trying to catch up: genesis vpatches tested match (apart a few deletions) 0.4.3 release
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00073278 = 24.9878 BTC [-] {4}
funkenstein_: !up Vexual
mats: asciilifeform: https://github.com/aperezdc/signify << am reading this
assbot: aperezdc/signify · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtSnto )
Vexual: hi funkenstein_
mod6: funkenstein_: 0.4.3?
funkenstein_: er 5.3 sorry
mod6: ah
funkenstein_: No manual entry for vdiff
funkenstein_: Hi Vexual. I saw a massive black bear today chillin' on side of the road
Vexual: hey cool
mircea_popescu: !up ghtdak
assbot: TIFU by checking my body for ticks [NSFW] : tifu ... ( http://bit.ly/1fAlgrI )
assbot: Boston Police arrest 2 men Shotgun, AR15 at Pokemon Championship - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston ... ( http://bit.ly/1fAlkYz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16247 @ 0.00073461 = 11.9352 BTC [+] {4}
mats: asciilifeform: just realized it does not use rsa. derp.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.00072708 = 26.3203 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00073906 = 19.5481 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ud tifu
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TIFU | Today on reddit I read the funniest story in the TIFU category. ... She was jackin me off so i put it into her tits and BAM, im the Master of TiFu. by Coffee Cakes ...
assbot: BitBet Prediction Market Opens XTCoin Bet, Pool already over 100 BTC | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1EdS9GG )
assbot: Ladder 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EdSeKm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00073915 = 14.8569 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 227.83, vol: 12821.19459220 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 222.5, vol: 5693.48864 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 227.3, vol: 12192.34608695 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 226.465636, vol: 20219.28970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 228.13041, vol: 50.16277788 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.93625, vol: 57.44174782 | Volume-weighted last average: 226.573115073
asciilifeform: mats: i was wondering how long it would take you to notice!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249741 << the small arms in the photo are in their factory boxes... borrowed for this cheapo psyop ?
asciilifeform: from a store? and on condition of 'keep in original box' ?!!
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market Buttfinex
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 226.75, Best ask: 227.18, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 226.75, 24 hour volume: 12192.34608695, 24 hour low: 225.58, 24 hour high: 232.88, 24 hour vwap: None
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249705 << i find it interesting that there is ~exactly one~ actual, working implementation of pgp
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 21:42:47; mircea_popescu: point was agreed to before i think. which is how the discussion re what pgp implementation must be like got started.
asciilifeform: (and anyone who thinks i ought to be considering a thing that uses openssl, or a winblowz turd, or something for mac, -- go eat a caltrop.)
mircea_popescu: which one do you call that ?
asciilifeform: the garden-variety gpg is closest i know of
mircea_popescu: ah, not for what he's trying to do
asciilifeform: even for sigverify!
asciilifeform: there is nothing to use but classical gpg
asciilifeform: go, look.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249381 << this is a potentially catastrophic misuse of the thing. if you glom the patches together, i can't sigverify'em, can't (easily) match them against earlier publications of same, and most of all - can't read it worth a damn
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 04:49:18; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque & all: For your review. http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/orc.sh && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1.vpatch && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2.vpatch
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 05:05:26; assbot: Ashley Madison Suicide: Man On Hacked List Kills Himself As Users Try To Remove Their Names From Ashley Madison Leaked List ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrWvMC )
asciilifeform: 'remove' ?!!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249303 << this got lost in the chaos; quite lulzy! approximatly, a country-sized version of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248932
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 21:23:49; mircea_popescu: there isn't a way for peasant to OWN picasso
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249319 << as in ru mega-proverb, 'one with a plow and seven with spoons'
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 00:32:28; mircea_popescu: punkman yes of course. just as soon as there's observable value everywhere a horde of shitheads with spoons are moving towards it.
mircea_popescu: nonsense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: please consider taking the thing in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249328 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249335 and specifying a little more in detail. because i am utterly failing to grasp what was being sought here.
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 00:42:58; mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform and whoever else is privately thinking of reimplementing pgp : one thing i'd dearly love would be the ability to encrypt not to X, but to "l1".
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 00:45:53; mircea_popescu: multiple UNSPECIFIED recipients.
mircea_popescu: yeah, im thinking about it.
mod6: asciilifeform: i can put up the individual .vpatch files for you to review tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: and the nonsense says that both the theoretical position you seek to defend is rubbish, and that the la times article you seek to defend it with is both rubbish and wouldn't defend it even if it weren't, and the it were defensible.
asciilifeform: mod6: works. but anyone can review these, because we already know what they must look like
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my thought was actually that it was illustrative of the idea you explained - that random beggar can't own a 'promissory n0te'
asciilifeform: the slovak ministry of whateverthefuck was playing the role of the 'garage sale picasso buyer and reseller for $100'
asciilifeform: unless i catastrophically misread.
mircea_popescu: the slovaks are incompetent fuckwits. this, because there's so few of them it's cheaper to pretend like they're a country than to seek someone else's administration.
mircea_popescu: this resultd in their selling an item for less than it was worth. because they had no idea what it was worth. becxause it's not theirs - they merely inherited it.
mircea_popescu: from something that used to be a world power and a major empire.
asciilifeform: orc sop
mircea_popescu: so they got butthurt, and are prosecuting a local that was involved in their rape, they think.
asciilifeform is familiar with the basic pattern
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2015#1249349 << ben_vulpes is back to mechanical world ?!
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 01:16:09; ben_vulpes: solve my system of equations goddamnit don't try to intuit what i mean
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 17:32:45; mod6: my rotor+TEST2 has fully sync'd on gentoo. (3rd full sync with -verifyall)
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: ~~97~~ connections on dulap
asciilifeform: 67 on zoolag.
asciilifeform: dafuq ?
asciilifeform: aaaaaand ...
asciilifeform: 33 of the 97 are.....
asciilifeform: 'amazon ec2' boxes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: of the 67,
asciilifeform: 16 'ec2'.
asciilifeform: shouldn't those folks be hanging out with their own kind ?
mircea_popescu: prolly xt nodes lol
asciilifeform tested handful, and they appear to be
asciilifeform: notably, unconnectable-to
asciilifeform: (the five or so i tried)
asciilifeform: ...misconfigured.
asciilifeform: how typical.
BingoBoingo: "subver" : "/JKSatoshi:0.11.56/",
BingoBoingo: ^ More useragent strange
mircea_popescu: if it bothers you can always drop aws connections at the firewall level
asciilifeform: presently i know of no reason to care
asciilifeform: plus iirc somebody here was using it
asciilifeform: (who..?)
asciilifeform: possibly ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: presently i can't entirely understand why the swarm of sybils has materialized exactly there - aws isn't particularly cheap, if you actually use the cpu/disk
mircea_popescu: iirc someone explained it on reddit - they get 100 dollars worth free if they prove they're students or some crud.
asciilifeform: so this is a strictly finite ballsack
mircea_popescu: but it's basically "some adults are giving free chickenfeed so let's take that and overturn the world!"
asciilifeform blew an astonishing bag of usd when ran 'phuctor' on aws - and this in its mostly-useless and almost-trafficless first year and half of life
asciilifeform bought into the fantasy of 'elastic cpu/ram, precisely as much or little as you want' as we were promised in the '70s. it is, of course, a crock of shit, because the necessary hardware does not actually exist
asciilifeform: the increments in which you can 'buy cycles' are severely quantized.
mircea_popescu: also they charge about 10x fmv.
asciilifeform: at least.
mircea_popescu: seriously, i can buy a cpu that outpuits cpu cycles at 500 a second over five years for 500 bucks
mircea_popescu: or else i can pay you 10 bucks per million ?
mircea_popescu: WHERE DO I SIGN UP!11
asciilifeform: some of the appeal, i think, was in the notion of not having to physically house / feed / clean the thing
mircea_popescu: but the 100 dollar expenditure on "students" / redditards is absolute genius. get the fucktards to believe "nothing else exists", have cows for the rest of your life.
mircea_popescu: of course it sinks at the juncture where the cows are actually cockroaches.
asciilifeform: hey, if ants learned to 'milk' aphids, why not... roaches
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: the us' been learning to milk ever more roachy roaches for decades now.
asciilifeform recalls scene in oddity film 'snowpiercer' where the heroes learn that the only food that still exists is pressed-cockroach-bar
mircea_popescu: Despite the fervor in the Bitcoin community, the odds are against Bitcoin XT. "This is not the first attempt to create a better Bitcoin, but I believe Bitcoin has such critical mass of resources devoted to it that it is unlikely anybody would abandon it for an incremental improvement,"says Gil Luria, an analyst at Wedbush Securities. "None has gotten much traction."
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, seems as best as i can determine the consensus in actual us finance.
asciilifeform: who the fuck is that
mircea_popescu: makes the social media froth even less comprehensible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wedbush is a private banker, basically.
asciilifeform wonders if any such folks are equipped to distinguish therealbitcoin from linoleum
mircea_popescu: (the "retail bank" where you go talk to a person you don't know that doesnty know you is really no different from mcdonalds "cuisine". irl, banks work a lot more like tailors)
mircea_popescu: yes, actually.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know these as 'pocket banks' aha
mircea_popescu: fwiw, my entire intel thing is fundamentally a fork off ib intel.
mircea_popescu: if they fail, it's not because their research sucks.
mircea_popescu: (just like if major attorney firm loses major trial - it's not because the paralegals sucked)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3346 @ 0.00072641 = 2.4306 BTC [-]
asciilifeform looks through the window and does not see any private bankers coming to ask re: therealbitcoin... perhaps they all go to mircea_popescu's house. or ben_vulpes...
mod6: asciilifeform: here's the individual patches, archived for your review: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1-vpatches.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2-pre-vpatches.tar.gz
mod6: SHA256 (rel1-vpatches.tar.gz) = 98f234a7ce0210efcd0e841818479a8d7495bb1ef50b90280453d252efccdbb3
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because you'd tell something else than what's in the log ?
mod6: SHA256 (rel2-pre-vpatches.tar.gz) = efee5d6f7a442748fb0326f0eb01ad69dc585e896ebadcaa6699af09b495618c
asciilifeform: i prolly ~would~ end up saying 'there is a log...'
mircea_popescu: so then ?
mircea_popescu: in general, the sure mark of a stupid yet pretentious student is, their desire to talk to the prof "privately".
mircea_popescu: because what, he's gonna give them the REAL math in private ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd imagine there is room for requests for a dec vax port or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: "everyone else i'm giving tictacs, but since you ask privately, here is the REAL quantum mechanics"
mircea_popescu: i dun think we're there yet.
asciilifeform: ^ this is unfortunately sop in usa
asciilifeform: mod6: these appear to be correct (to naked eye), even rebased as i described. neato!
mod6: yup, np.
asciilifeform: other folks are invited to diff these with previously-published 'orchestra' to see what is meant here.
mod6: let me know if you validate further, mechanically, whenever you get a chance.
asciilifeform: prolly tomorrow.
mod6: no worries, thx!
asciilifeform: notably no mention of the various hearnias like the blacklist
asciilifeform: reads quite like a culinary review of death's cap mushroom soup that neglects to mention the magic ingredient.
mircea_popescu: "This is probably the first large scale opportunity to see whether unrestricted market forces actually do optimize a supply curve" << major point incidentally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a review of the "best possible construction"./
mircea_popescu: certainly a lot better than the last time i read an article on zero hedge.
asciilifeform had a thought, that 'fee market' as discussed here is not the only stable solution to a living bitcoin. there is the other one, too
mircea_popescu: for that matter - i don't even have any objections, which is more of a journalistic achievement than a pulizer in each hand.
asciilifeform: ... where the thing doesn't function as a public toilet at all.
asciilifeform: in the sense that i can't go and just connect to, e.g., 'swift', because i'd like to.
asciilifeform: gotta be in their wot.
asciilifeform: i suppose this may technically be a degenerate case of the other solution.
mircea_popescu: it's not even a solution to the same problem
mircea_popescu: just moves the goalpost.
asciilifeform: it is a solution to 'real people and spamming scum try to occupy limited space together'
asciilifeform: in other possible nyooz, i have been told that sergei mavrodi, of the repeated mega-pyramid scheme 'mmm' fame, now has a crackpot altcoin of his own.
asciilifeform: suggesting, if indeed this is true, that he reads the logz.
phf: kek
phf: huh, he was "active in bitcoin" for a bit, mmm was silver member in phoundation before getting kicked out, he started mmmcoin that was since killed, there's a blog post about bitcoin on his blog where he says "it's easy to take over bitcoin you just need couple of trillion u.s. dollars"
asciilifeform: so not new? hm
phf: infos from which links to btctalk threads https://forum.bits.media/index.php?/topic/3684-mavrodi-sobralsia-valit-bitkoin/, but archive doesn't pick anything up from mmmcoin.com
assbot: Мавроди собрался валить биткоин - Новости Bitcoin - Bitcoin Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed4QRC )
phf: (that bits.media link was supposed to be between "from" and "which")
funkenstein_: iirc, he had btc-e guys build the "exhcange".. looked identical to btc-e
mircea_popescu: phf different mmm iirc
assbot: MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed7Ai7 )
mircea_popescu: yeah but what i'm saying is that this mmm and the 1990s historical item aren't much related
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1213534 << someone wrote a client that lets you plug in some settings and it runs your character for you without having to click around on the website, but even with that their 150k number is probably made up
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 01:33:25; mircea_popescu: so /me goes to investigate this kingdom of loathing mud thingee. wikipedia claims 150k players playing regularly. /me has never seen > 500 players logged in. /me is confused.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> it is a solution to 'real people and spamming scum try to occupy limited space together' << yes, but the "free market" solution is "make people solve it on their own cpu" whereas you propose "solve it for other people on my own cpu". yes, if we can limit the market we don't need it to be free. but if we could make it free we wouldn't need to limit it.
mircea_popescu: dude danielpbarron you were way behind in the logs huh.
danielpbarron: i've read stuff since then, i just don't always read it all in order
trinque: "Now, every participant (firstly of the Bitcoin Republic, and then of the whole MMM) will be daily offered a simple web-task related to the activities in the social networks and forums that generate extra traffic to the MMM website." << http://mmmglobal.org/news/mmm_extra-3139.html
assbot: NEWS / MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOAp4u )
trinque: lol. what.
trinque: the republic he says.
trinque: what does his scam have to do with that?
mircea_popescu: lol. guy liked the word.
mircea_popescu: iirc there's also a reddit republic thing
trinque: where are you, herr timecube? show yourself
trinque: it's a good word, 'tis true
mircea_popescu: basically what is this, a sort of trying to herd retards to do web stuff ?
trinque: I can't even tell
trinque: you join the MMM and you make 100%
mircea_popescu: or i could also not join it, and also make 100%
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all for me. laters.
trinque: Hello. My name is Jean, a manager of MMM Philippines, showing you my GH in the amount of P33,000. Thank you my donors and thank you MMM. Indeed its a great privilege to be part of this wonderful community. << ey asciilifeform, I found your filipinos
trinque: mircea_popescu: cheers
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