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phf: mircea_popescu: i think mavrodi keeps spawning new mmm's, getting shut down or going bankrupt and then moving on. his last venture mentioned on wikipedia is MMM India in 2006, but there's no mention of this new mmmglobal
phf: but of course when you browse mmmglobal, his name comes up
assbot: Про Биткоин / Новости МММ. Последние актуальные новости МММ. А так же архив новостей МММ за 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 годов. ... ( )
assbot: МММ Международная касса взаимопомощи. Официальный сайт Сергея Пантелеевича Мавроди. МММ 2015 - Мы можем многое! ... ( )
assbot: Russia / MMM Abroad / MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( )
assbot: МММ Международная касса взаимопомощи. Официальный сайт Сергея Пантелеевича Мавроди. МММ 2015 - Мы можем многое! ... ( )
trinque: << phf: the guy's rhetoric sounds just like that "Zeitgeist" series of "documentaries"
assbot: Ideology / MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( )
trinque: capitalism is mean; the solution is so totally not socialism (it's socialism)
trinque: in this case it actually sounds more like a pyramid scheme
trinque: cannot read enough to actually critique...
assbot: MMM (Ponzi scheme company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
trinque: dingdingding
punkman: << there are a couple python libraries that use GPG ME actually
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2015 21:19:55; mats: i haven't seen any python libraries that enable this behavior without shelling out to the binary (or maybe i'm retarded, i dunno)
trinque: 10 billion's not a bad high score.
phf: trinque: russians of certain generation twitch at the mention of mmm
phf: there was a series of catchy commercials in constant tv rotation in the early 90s, that are simultaneously associated with collapse, "wild 90s" and plebs getting fucked left and right by yeltzin, oligarchs, tv spiritualists, scams, central bank etc.
assbot: Реклама «МММ». Все ролики. Видео 1 - YouTube ... ( )
phf: (plot of commercials: every the top stereotypical russian pleb invests in mmm, gets more and more money. in every commercial he can afford to buy more and more shit. lenya golubkov, national hero)
phf: *over the top
trinque: this is pretty great.
trinque: partly to see what, lets say Comrade Joe Schmoe, looks like
punkman: !up BU769XX_dIQ
trinque: ;;later tell felipelalli apparently I have used your app, Bitcoin Paranoid. neat
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: ^ price alarm thinger
asciilifeform: meanwhile...
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( )
asciilifeform: gcd == 609; Blevins <<>>; THIS KEY HAS BEEN REVOKED <PLEASE DO NOT USE>
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes your bot is dead ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: asciilifeform: no cosmic rays on that key right?
asciilifeform: notably, it isn't a 32-bit-mirror
punkman: well at least it's revoked :/
assbot: Search results for 'wblevins netcom ix com' ... ( )
asciilifeform: err, both of'em
BU769XX_dIQ: x%fail, is not that written into the (rules)
assbot: Search results for 'wblevins orion org mail' ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 04:29:15; phf: there was a series of catchy commercials in constant tv rotation in the early 90s, that are simultaneously associated with collapse, "wild 90s" and plebs getting fucked left and right by yeltzin, oligarchs, tv spiritualists, scams, central bank etc.
assbot: MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: in fact, i saw these, as a boy, and they permanently defined what 'advertising' means in my head.
asciilifeform: BU769XX_dIQ: did not even consider reading the logs?
asciilifeform: !down BU769XX_dIQ
assbot: Fallen Heroes: Army Pfc. William S. Blevins ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82900 @ 0.00072088 = 59.761 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38504 @ 0.00072553 = 27.9358 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes your system is leaking ip
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: punkman: blevins key claimed a vintage of '98..
asciilifeform: (this is perhaps a good moment to point out that these dates mean little. unless someone in my wot has a very vintage copy of sks key collection that he's willing to swear to.)
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 04:29:23; phf:
asciilifeform: (these depict a 'common man' who 'makes good' from 'investing well' in the pyramid)
asciilifeform: see the 4'21" mark where appears a multilayer phantasy where 'i can buy back my old construction equipment, do honest work!!111'
asciilifeform: this kind of lure is only really thinkable in a ru90s-style collapsy context
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform
asciilifeform: 8'34" mark, extra-lulz, introducing 'reboot' of the scam.
asciilifeform: some time i gotta do subtitles for these. very educational.
punkman: looking at , seems he is focusing on India, China, Indonesia, etc now
assbot: MMM GLOBAL - Official Website ... ( )
punkman: billions of new suckers
punkman: "This is a community of ordinary people, selflessly helping each other, a kind of the Global Fund of mutual aid. This is the first sprout of something new in the modern soulless and ruthless world of greed and hard cash. The goal here is not the money. The goal is to destroy the world's unjust financial system. Financial Apocalypse!"
assbot: Вещи СССР Ностальгия по СССР рождённым в СССР - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43758 @ 0.00072567 = 31.7539 BTC [+]
punkman: so has mined 17k bitcoins in last 4 months. I wonder if they have any of their own chips or just renting.
jurov: ;;later tell trinque sorry, it fell between the cracks, next week
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5825 @ 0.00072584 = 4.228 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: ;;later tell asciilifeform currently if it gets only detached signature, it looks the signed file up using the hash in filename, this is being redone - will use original filename instead
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: jurov: I didn't put a hash in my detached sig filename though
jurov: that's another thing, if there is valid clearsigned text, it leaves all attachments
jurov: cuz otherwise "$#@$% it ate my attachmetns, dun wanna such mutilation"
jurov: punkman: if you recall, went into bed with intel
punkman: jurov: as reported by coindesk?
assbot: SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( )
fluffypony: inb4 shoes banned from datacenters
chetty: the new green energy, put all the fat people on tread mills!
punkman: "SexyCyborg says, while her choice of clothing might be shocking to Westerners, people in Shenzhen couldn't give two bits! As seen in her numerous scantily clad photos with lots of disinterested pedestrians in the background."
wyrdmantis: ;;later tell mircea_popescu so why l2 cache is relevant? give me a hint, please.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: over 18? ... ( )
assbot: Beat Kidz - Who did you exploit today? - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: punkman, from that post "Traditionally the wife controls family finance. Husband turns over paycheck and wife gives husband allowance." fuck that
fluffypony: it's certainly a different culture
punkman: fluffypony: inb4 shoes banned from datacenters << I'd visit fluffypony's nudist datacenter
fluffypony: hah hah
cazalla: i don't buy that that chick came up with that shop, probably marketing material and it'll be on kickstarter tmw
cazalla: shoe*
punkman: cazalla: why's that
cazalla: why would a chick be watching mr robot, a show guerrilla marketed at 4chan autists
punkman: she doesn't seem to be selling anything or asking for "tips" of any kind
cazalla: perhaps even a tp-link advertisement then
fluffypony: I dunno cazalla
assbot: Mr. Robot (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
punkman: it's reddity/derpy, sure, I'll give you that
fluffypony: consistently over 3 million viewers in the US
fluffypony: I think the "omg real hacker tools" thing is to appeal to script kiddies
fluffypony: but the show itself is fairly well received among non-techie audiences
cazalla: fluffypony, that's total viewers.. doesn't even top 2 million viewers in the US
fluffypony shakes his head
fluffypony: that's total for the US
fluffypony: they count DVR separately to live
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 261 @ 0.00846052 = 2.2082 BTC [-] {13}
fluffypony: they don't count international viewers because that's all syndication
cazalla: well, what do i know, i don't watch tv on tv
fluffypony: neither do I
fluffypony: I wouldn't fall into those numbers at all
fluffypony: but that's why shows I've enjoyed, like Mozart in the Jungle, have no "cable" ratings
fluffypony: heh, she made some LED shoes a few weeks ago:
assbot: My DIY LED Shoes - Album on Imgur ... ( )
cazalla: looks like has has fake tits, sorta falls in my favour.. same bandanna and clothing in each photo too despite weeks apart
assbot: My DIY Underlit LED (Hikaru) Skirt - Album on Imgur ... ( )
fluffypony: her underlit skirt
fluffypony: "This shot was needed after my last project which no one believed I made. Because when they put your boobs in they suck out your brains. Everyones knows that's how it works:-) If it's still a problem I'll just have to wear a GoPro for the whole process LOL"
cazalla: same work shop clothing again
fluffypony: I wear the same clothing when I'm working on my drones
fluffypony: probably 9/10 times
cazalla: dat holding his own wrist
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74264 @ 0.00072278 = 53.6765 BTC [-] {7}
chetty: Because when they put your boobs in they suck out your brains.// odd I always thought it was the second head that was the issue with brain loss
assbot: China shares wipe out 2015 gains as stocks tumble 8.5% - MarketWatch ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 10:00:10; cazalla: dat holding his own wrist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34356 @ 0.00072585 = 24.9373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38506 @ 0.00072987 = 28.1044 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: crazy day on the market floor
chetty: <kakobrekla> crazy day on the market floor// someone is dumb enoguh to buy it seems
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00072793 = 17.07 BTC [-]
assbot: Troy Hunt: Here’s what Ashley Madison members have told me ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186853 @ 0.00073155 = 136.6923 BTC [+] {5}
thestringpuller: << they srsly think Gavin was the good guy and is not compromised, and is colluding with Hearn on XT because "the community" has been "hijacked".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00073806 = 26.9392 BTC [+] {3}
PeterL: A few days ago somebody asked about kids TV shows, my kids like "Phineas and Ferb" and "Teen Titans Go", not horrible to have in the other room like most kids shows these days
thestringpuller: PeterL: How is Teen Titans Go as just a show? (Did you ever see the Teen Titans from the early 2000's?)
PeterL: I never watched "Teen Titans", which I understand followed them fighting bad guys? Teen Titans Go is absurdly silly, mostly just them hanging around their tower, it's ok in small doses
mike_c: ;;seen asciilifeform
gribble: asciilifeform was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 1 minute, and 5 seconds ago: <asciilifeform> << for spatio-temporal tourists.
funkenstein_: PeterL, what does it mean "not bad to have in other room" ?
PeterL: like, I wouldn't sit down and watch it myself, but if they watch it I don't stab my ears, like if "Dora the Explora" gets turned on
funkenstein_: so like, when it's the neighbors who somehow you don't care about their development at all, it's bearable
PeterL: I mean, they are not bad as kids shows, but still definitely aimed at kids and not adults
PeterL: I don't have my kids watch TV for development, it is just entertainment
funkenstein_: just turn it off brother. please.
PeterL: well, they don't watch much of it
Adlai: !s hit them
assbot: 37 results for 'hit them' :
Adlai: !s and hit them
assbot: 17 results for 'and hit them' :
Adlai: it's in there, somewhere
PeterL: but sometimes me and Mrs L want to have some alone time on sunday afternoon, and the kids need something to distract them
thestringpuller: "And so I ask you this one question. Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them? " - Bender
PeterL: what does hitting them accomplish?
Adlai doesn't agree with that philosophy literally, but doesn't agree with the generally popular approach to child-rearing either
Adlai: PeterL: if there's more than one, and they're old enough not to try eating the stones, i'd suggest replacing the TV with a goban
PeterL: well, we have one of those, but only the oldest would understand what to do with it (maybe the second, I should pull it out and see sometime?) the third wouldn't eat the stones, he would probably grab them and throw them across the room, causing the first two to come screaming to me that their brother ruined the game
Adlai: worth a try imo, although it admittedly would intrude on the afternoon alone time
asciilifeform: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 minutes and 29 seconds ago: <mike_c> ;;seen asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: 16k ahahaha
mircea_popescu: check that shit out.
mike_c: hey ascii. wanted to chat about the graph thing when you have a few
mircea_popescu: hey, USG "press", where are all the articles about how US collapses amid dji never-before-seen losses ?
mircea_popescu: you know, all the ones about china two months ago, do a search and replace. no good ?
asciilifeform: mike_c: may be premature, i haven't fully written the antecedent walker yet. but basic idea was to create a browsable (possibly clickable) directed acyclic graph
PeterL: my US stock investments have recently lost everything they gained since January, big old 0% increase on the year now
asciilifeform: mike_c: eat node corresponds to a particular 'v' filehash.
mike_c: Ok. That was my impression, that the data source wasn't quite ready yet. we can wait.
mike_c: yeah, makes sense
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah a bit of an early thing on my part. on the theory that prolly you're doing plenty of other things and want to schedule things
mike_c: indeed :)
mircea_popescu: PeterL imo holding any sort of usg paper is irresponsible, but that's just me.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 219.53, Best ask: 219.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 219.53, 24 hour volume: 28152.10277529, 24 hour low: 211.56, 24 hour high: 230.16, 24 hour vwap: None
mike_c: Currently I am wrangling with python gnupg, which turns out to be a pile of shit
asciilifeform: mike_c: it very much is!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile bitcoin clearly poised to absorb the shocks lmao.
punkman: << this is slightly better than the other version
assbot: isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( )
asciilifeform: and that magic feeling you get when you learn that 1) dealing with a massive pile of shit 2) the only alternative is to recreate the thing from minerals
PeterL: well, I have had it stuck in a "retirement account" for a few years now, seemed like a good idea back when I put it in ... bleh
mircea_popescu: all these people derping about how "oh, cyprus banks collapsed - bitcoin lalala ; oh argentina default - bitcoin lalala" don't comprehend the very basics of how economics works.
mike_c: punkman: thanks, I'll check it out. there's a lot of versions floating around
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No | closed 1 week 6 days ago ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mike_c from what i've seen, the python-anything turns out that way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a shell-callout to gpg
mike_c: not in my experience, but this area, it is.
punkman: python-gpgme doesn't call out to shell but I haven't used it
mike_c: a hacked together with band-aids and rubber bands shell callout
asciilifeform: mike_c: gpgme is a wrapper for gpg !!
mike_c: gpgme i don't know about
asciilifeform: and barely works.
mike_c: oh fuck, it stands for "gpg made easy"? that's not promising
asciilifeform: thing to realize is that gpg was written to be maximally un-librarifiable. like gcc.
mircea_popescu: was it ?
asciilifeform: this was my conclusion from own study.
mike_c: so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts? how to use the fking thing?
mircea_popescu: mike_c another premature thing is a pgp implementation that's proper.
mike_c: !up wywialm
mircea_popescu: looks like it'll be the first competing standard we end up writing.
mike_c: wywialm: what do the quedex guys use to talk to gpg?
asciilifeform: if simply trying to verify sigs, the python-gpg crud sorta works.
davout: mike_c: i got gpgme to work fine fwiw
mike_c: oh? ok.. I will check it out. thanks.
punkman: this might be easier if you are just verifying
assbot: gpgv - Using the GNU Privacy Guard ... ( )
mike_c: not just verifying. encryptying, decrypting, verifying.
punkman: I wonder how many klock are in gpg, anyone counted it?
punkman: *kloc
wywialm: hi all
wywialm: mike_c, from the client side, we have a python-gnupg wrapper app around our api
wywialm: if that is what you ask about
mike_c: ah, k. yeah.
mircea_popescu: technically vice-versa but anyway.
mike_c: thanks. i was looking for good alternatives.
mike_c: going to give gpgme a run around the block and see how that does.
wywialm: that is very temporary, we'll be moving to java bouncy castle in the near future
wywialm: i.e. this python-gnupg - calling gpg is just too slow
mike_c: whole app is going to java?
wywialm: that is a most likely scenario
mike_c: interesting
mircea_popescu: you are going to java, ~for speed~.
punkman: wywialm: does that thing do gpg?
mike_c: "Generators/Processors for OpenPGP "
wywialm: yes
mike_c: out of curiousity, what's "too slow"?
mike_c: i mean, unless you're supporting HFT, is it really a problem for the client app?
wywialm: mircea_popescu, is there something i miss? re bouncy castle: we'll most likely have to write a library to make it more usable
mircea_popescu: phf no, you're right, i dunno what i was thinking.
mircea_popescu: turns out in point of fact a good chunk of the internet "ponzi" subculture has to do with this schmuck promoting nonsense like it's his mission in life.
mircea_popescu: wywialm java is just hated here, is all.
wywialm: for "high touch" users, no, pyton-gnupg is more or less ok, but for algo and managing mulitple instruments the delays are noticeable
mike_c: go tit
mircea_popescu: should be fun once pgp is implemented properly as full rsa.
mike_c: *got it :)
mircea_popescu: "non starter!!11"
punkman: full rsa?
assbot: Reklama MMM Lenya Golubkov, 90 e 240 - YouTube ... ( )
mike_c: full rsa would make for some long messages
mike_c: but I hear bandwidth is doubling every year for the next 10 years :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which 'she'
mircea_popescu: the shuba woiman lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and see, if they used hot gurlz, it wouldn't be 'common man !!11!!!111'
mircea_popescu: shit... dude i miss the drunken evening over a musama covered table with drunk people.
asciilifeform: there was a specific algo used here
punkman: what's the difference of full rsa to current gpg?
mike_c: i was assuming he meant not using AES to encode the message
wywialm: mircea_popescu, what is java most hated for - in particular, in client-side? and what is the recommended alternative for similar purposes?
mircea_popescu: punkman currently a symmetric session key is rsa encrypted.
asciilifeform: punkman, mike_c: the idea is to abolish the session key.
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis slow, large memory footprint, undebuggable in that order.
mike_c: hence long messages
mircea_popescu: mike_c slow. not necessarily so long.
mike_c: cuz message has to be encoded for each recipient
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis and the alternative is asm, obviously :))
mike_c: JVM is not accepted on my machine
mike_c: because I don't trust it.
mike_c: even on my windows box..
wywialm: mike_c, we will not drop the python app
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis just because web-programmers suck doesn't mean asm no longer exists.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 04:44:57; asciilifeform: in fact, i saw these, as a boy, and they permanently defined what 'advertising' means in my head.
mircea_popescu: dude there's two people with wy ? apologies for misdirection
wywialm: np :)
BingoBoingo: So, going out to pick up some chicken hearts to fry up for breakfast I saw the local much beloved microwave tower covered in a tent of some sort
BingoBoingo: Well, why the fuck does a microwave tower need to wear clothes?
punkman: because of derps sensitive to wifi?
BingoBoingo: There better not be any of those around here.
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mircea_popescu: maybe some kids wanted to fuck but didn't know how to camp so they used the available pilar ?
BingoBoingo: Could be that.
funkenstein_: perhaps "java" is too broad a descriptor with all the different compilers, VMs or not, etc. available
mircea_popescu: only if one proposes to actually make java work.
BingoBoingo: You know, this Chinese market mess is going to be hell on whatever's left of the US auto industry.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63902 @ 0.00072393 = 46.2606 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: The kulaks there were really starting to develop a taste for Buick and pickup trucks
mircea_popescu: << really, only thinkable in a "gross mismanagement context", among a field replete with half baked tin women.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 05:21:32; asciilifeform: this kind of lure is only really thinkable in a ru90s-style collapsy context
mircea_popescu: something perhaps to be seen again. this decade.
mircea_popescu: that sort of large scale mismanagement is always the result of technical objects satisfying perceived imagological needs first and foremost. like the fortifications of the eternal city.
mircea_popescu: pdf is not the output of a --clearsign command.
mircea_popescu: rejected.
thestringpuller: "Our companies will be ready for larger blocks by December 2015 and we will run
assbot: SexyCyborg goes Pentesting - Album on Imgur ... ( )
mircea_popescu: fluffypony barefoot womenz in dcs ?!
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well we need to be more certain
fluffypony: have to be safe
fluffypony: bend over and cough
mircea_popescu: < uh what hint. the cpu has to do some math to ecdsa. that math happens talking to the cpu cache not disk or ram.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 09:21:40; wyrdmantis: ;;later tell mircea_popescu so why l2 cache is relevant? give me a hint, please.
BingoBoingo waits for pentesting buttplug album
mircea_popescu: fluffypony did the chick give you some ideas now ?
mircea_popescu: honestly i've been tempted by shenzen for a while now.
fluffypony: apparently you're not allowed to institute such safety measures in a DC
mircea_popescu: mats go to shenzen rent a flat for me.
mats: you gonna visit?
mircea_popescu kinda had it with argentina.
mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.
BingoBoingo: That was fast.
mircea_popescu: guess so huh.
mats: i can't even afford to go myself :P
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 09:42:08; cazalla: punkman, from that post "Traditionally the wife controls family finance. Husband turns over paycheck and wife gives husband allowance." fuck that
mircea_popescu: this is how asia lives, yo.
kakobrekla: so wait, next ba meet is in shenzen?
mircea_popescu: either that or skipping a year. i'm not doing another one in b-a. you've seen it all. literally.
mircea_popescu: << dude srsly... hotness is an uncorrelated variable. it's not like you're rolling up a new d&d dollie and have a total of 24 points to distribute to stats.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 09:49:31; cazalla: why would a chick be watching mr robot, a show guerrilla marketed at 4chan autists
mircea_popescu: teen enjoys geeky show, decides to give herself tits. only thing uncommon is that she had the guts to take control. otherwise...
mike_c: 22 hours from jfk to shenzen. ouch.
kakobrekla: i bet alf is gonna be disappointed. no coffee, no icecream, no steak.
mike_c: oh, with layover. nevermind
mike_c: only 17 hours in the air.
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 210.75, Best ask: 211.23, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 211.24, 24 hour volume: 32200.11546723, 24 hour low: 209.0, 24 hour high: 229.07, 24 hour vwap: None
mats: i'll be surprised if mp sticks around shenzhen as long as he does buenos aires
mircea_popescu: what, not like they don't let him in without conf invite lol
kakobrekla: better buy seats while you still can ;)
mircea_popescu: whyssat mats ?
trinque: << this is precisely the direction I'm going to go with deedbot, due to pain with python-gnupg; I've yet to try the one punkman suggested, so perhaps that one's better. I grow to believe this is the only way to do anything right on a *nix.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 15:42:43; mike_c: so what, I'm stuck with bash scripts? how to use the fking thing?
mircea_popescu: mike_c how long was ny-ba ? like 14 ?
mike_c: 11
mircea_popescu: anyway - not my fault the concorde lapsed without replacement. imo THAT is the end point of white civilisation.
mircea_popescu: in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not.
mats: crowded, terrible air, you don't speak chinese, you'll never be chinese, inscrutable local politics
mircea_popescu: haha. i can be fucking zulu.
mircea_popescu: all it takes is me wanting to. which, granted, high fucking bar.
mats: but hey, you'll be real popular. chinese people love to practice english on white folk.
BingoBoingo: Why Shenzen and not the Democratic Congo of Ferguson?
asciilifeform: meanwhile...
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asciilifeform: gcd == 25; Ken Fischer <>
mats: isn't that the outfit gavin worked for?
trinque: are we to the point where we give up on scoopbot yet?
mircea_popescu: oh, is the scoop off ?
trinque: I have a feeds module at the ready.
mircea_popescu: trinque weren't you ruinning it ?
trinque: nah, williamdunne
assbot: Naivity in finance on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
trinque: I am happy to though.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen williamdunne
gribble: williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <williamdunne> mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators
mike_c: question I don't expect an answer to: how does mpex handle the gpg processing?
mircea_popescu: trinque i guess so yeah.
mircea_popescu: go fer it
mircea_popescu: "They have made good public presentations that only serve to enhance Bitcoins image. Due to factors like these, various ppl within the community will take an interest in their POV."
mike_c: prolly in php.
mircea_popescu: heh dude wtshit already. nobody cares what "people in the community" etc. bitcoin is fucking money.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i ain't sayin' anything.
mike_c: hand-coded PGP impelementation in PHP and javascript
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you gonna have white-man food and chix flown in or what
asciilifeform: and if this, then why not do it on island fortress or arctic circle, aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would much rather fuck a plastic cyborg created out of the desire of the short yellow people to fit in with white civilisation than an actual scion of the latter.
mircea_popescu: because enthusiasm beats anything else nine times out of seven.
asciilifeform: jp sounds like a better deal then
mats: lol
mircea_popescu: japan is a fucking island.
asciilifeform: they have the plastic chick part down
asciilifeform: in cn you get to fuck a bag of rice with a hole drilled
mircea_popescu: such hate. have you seen this particular technoslut ?
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mircea_popescu: her. tell me that if you had to share your lab you'd have a problem sharing it with her.
asciilifeform: aha the matchstick
mircea_popescu: yes, the matchstick.
asciilifeform: but hey, на вкус и на цвет товарища нет (tm)
mircea_popescu: not the point AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: point is, nubbins` cook roommate.
mircea_popescu: she ain't it.
asciilifeform: i don't have one of those here...
mircea_popescu: yeah, you do. everywhere.
asciilifeform: and iirc mircea_popescu didn't either?
trinque: chick looks like that and knows what a computer is; what's wrong?
mircea_popescu: you live in fucking reddit republic and pretend it ends at the door.
asciilifeform: it ends at the force field
asciilifeform checks generators
mircea_popescu: i lived a much better life of the spirit when i lived it among nude whores on sets, and plastic women making a point of being stupid
asciilifeform: i can't wait till mircea_popescu discovers the cn mega-reddits
mircea_popescu: and so would you. this entire "give boys letters" thing is dumb.
asciilifeform gets some exposure to the latter via ru
mircea_popescu: kinda why i've not moved yet. i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone know the rather epic story of the only concorde crash to date ?
mircea_popescu: previous flight lost an engine foil, concorde ran it over, it cut a wheel, wheel exploded, large fragment of tyre hit underwing, shockwave broke a fuel tanker, fuel gushed out and caught, engineer cut the engine next, at which point they had 2km worth of runway left and needed 3 to abort.
mircea_popescu: so they took the passengers back to hotel. directly.
mircea_popescu: (jet fuel doesn't melt steel btw)
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trinque: mircea_popescu | so they took the passengers back to hotel. directly. << lol!
mircea_popescu: trinque i am not an expert in airflight security, or a pilot or anything. nevertheless, it's my opinion that this is a fine example of what thinking in a box is and what it gets you.
mircea_popescu: specifically, the correct move there would have been to cut all engines, engage all brakes (including the chute) and read a magazine.
mircea_popescu: fuck it, so it runs out of runway, runs through the airport fence, runs out into the fucking street.
mircea_popescu: but no... they "had to take off", because trained experts, and being trained means not thinking of all alternatives.
trinque: right, merely selecting one from the procedure book
trinque: my dad's a pilot; it's astounding how much scripted behavior they have to internalize
mircea_popescu: also the notion that "anything's an option once all the scripts yield in predictable failure" is hard to maintain
mircea_popescu: and no serious effort is made to maintain it
mircea_popescu: "because why not just improve the scriptbook instead"
trinque: goes right to "nobody could've forseen" by way of "they did all they could" because they exhausted the rulebook
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but you defended this re: titanic !
mircea_popescu: in that case, what the guy did was the actual minimal path.
mircea_popescu: in this case, what thery did is not.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 19:46:44; asciilifeform: 'C: What I want to suggest to you is that it was recklessness, utter recklessness, in view of the conditions
asciilifeform: but i can see what mircea_popescu meant here.
mircea_popescu: my reading the magazine above is exactly in same degree and exactly the same kind, "recklessness".
mircea_popescu: the alternative is "raising awareness"
mircea_popescu: at any rate, this is a very vast thing, it unites the mentioned "when hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest"
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mircea_popescu: to the very common "but you gotta play", seen at work for instance by the people who think they HAVE to take a mortgage, or buy a diamond ring, or go to college, or so on.
mircea_popescu: "it's what's done".
mircea_popescu: fuck it. if what's done doesn't pay you don't do it.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla Apparently there is a bunny bubble nao
assbot: Greenville girls sells rabbits at Illinois State Fair for $4,500 | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ^ Notice country grammar in the title
asciilifeform: englisch as she is sp0ken
asciilifeform: 'The third part was triggering bans on proxies VPNs and tor exit nodes, making as many file requests as possible so that users will not be able to use them to safely access websites. It involved using or circumventing the .htaccess file I am not sure which. "The goal is to divert bandwidth strangle traffic and get them to block their own users."'
BingoBoingo: Also $75,000 for a barrow. Not even a breeding hog, a castrated pig is now worth a new Chevy Suburban.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if 'ebay' is any guide, an 'x-box' game machine is worth a few $k.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but if you know what money laundering is, then no surprise
BingoBoingo: I see no other outcome. This isn't even artmarket altcoins which... Don't expire when the pig goes to slaughter.
asciilifeform: (it is not altogether a waste of time to comb the site for items getting sold (not merely listed) for orders of magnitudes above any reasonable estimate of their worth. educational.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i ran a month or so of a similar thing mostly out of curiosity if this happens. notrly.
asciilifeform: possibly happens in bursts.
mircea_popescu: yeah, like everything else the us does.
asciilifeform used to encounter unmistakeable examples with some regularity
mircea_popescu: half hour worth on thursday evening
BingoBoingo: "Donelson’s Land of Lincoln steer sold for a record $61,000 to the highest bidder, Governor Bruce Rauner."
mircea_popescu: then they wonder why they can't keep baghdad
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform xbox is genuinely WORTH 2k of today's watered down dollare.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in the toy store
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's much a process like how we'll end up paying 5k for real cpu
mircea_popescu: or windows head 5k for "real" windows 7
asciilifeform: understand, there weren't vintage/rarity/mod-chipped units
mircea_popescu: or ipadheads 5k for REAL not-fucked iphone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i presumed they were chip-able in a certain manner.
asciilifeform: nah they were (at the time) standard-issue.
mircea_popescu: maybe someone misunderstood something.
asciilifeform: the one thing which may have been the boojum, other than straight laundry, is a secret dog-whistle via the price that the unit is modded
asciilifeform: (cracked game machines were formally forbidden on ebay, iirc, long ago)
mircea_popescu: they prolly have a secret word for it too, like fags in 1950 ny.
asciilifeform: seems like a dead certainty
asciilifeform: but i do not know the word.
mircea_popescu: "hey i saw your xbox on ebay, is it ment condition ?"
mircea_popescu: "yes hubba ment condition all the way!"
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asciilifeform: ^ mega-vintage
asciilifeform: did early pgp just throw entirely unprocessed, raw sewage to generate the modulus ?!!
asciilifeform: i mean, forfuckssake
mircea_popescu: 1996 ? who even knows.
asciilifeform: that exe is still out there, somewhere. who wants a fairly simple student project !
asciilifeform sits and fills out paperwork, re: some moron having crashed into his parked car.
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mircea_popescu: why you ?
asciilifeform: whaddayamean why me
asciilifeform: 'cause i have a car instead of a dirigible, and own two hands instead of servants ?
mircea_popescu: you gotta ask your insurance basically ?
asciilifeform: aha, gotta claim
asciilifeform: 'unknown vehicle', same as if a meteorite fell.
asciilifeform: << old mircea_popescu-and-the-chinese thread, for extra lulz
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 20:54:46; mircea_popescu: which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did someone mail you these and asked 'sister of mircea_popescu ?'
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asciilifeform: and it appears that scoopbot is dead as a stone.
asciilifeform: (and has been for weeks..?)
trinque: workin on it.
trinque: bout to bring a deedbot- feeds module online
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: your system is leaking ip.
ben_vulpes: circe
ben_vulpes: considered harmful.
asciilifeform: '...For the women whose jobs are to lead men astray Circe, Delilah, Morgan Le Fey.'
trinque: deedbot-: feeds list
deedbot-: No feeds.
trinque: he lives
trinque: I'm going to let it run in private for just a bit, after which when I'm satisfied with his behavior, will add feeds here.
asciilifeform lacks the necessary lsd to fully digest the notion of mircea_popescu moving to the world's statally-strongest, taking-no-shit-from-the-white-man mega-ethnostate
asciilifeform: y'know, the place which makes ru look civilized, friendly, inviting in comparison
mircea_popescu: this categorical judgement thing.
mircea_popescu: how's my chances on redheads ? what's the oracle say ?
asciilifeform: looks more like 'chances on pluto' to me, but hey, not my dirigible. what's the thing for if not exploring worlds.
mircea_popescu: pluto. how pluto dood. no people live in china ?
asciilifeform: non-lactasepeople
mats: china loves white people. white people got da money.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this worldview is how the south got its reputation for cousinfucking.
asciilifeform: i mean, if i had to give up something like eating Proper Food, i'd rather live on tree bark in siberia. nice, quiet, prolly could get a photovoltaic set and satellite horn running there.
asciilifeform: could prolly find a spot with nothing bipedal for 500km+
mircea_popescu: how are the girls going to run around naked in siberia ? get locals ?
asciilifeform: what girls.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, stuff you hunt is proper food.
asciilifeform: and think they can run naked in pekin ?
mircea_popescu: pekin or b-a, or timisoara or so on
mircea_popescu: pretty much anyone but the north american fucktardry.
asciilifeform: pekin has 'morals' of ussr circa 1955
asciilifeform: and the means to make it stick
asciilifeform: unless i am catastrophically misinformed.
asciilifeform: incidentally, if pekin, why not pyongyang ?
mircea_popescu: catastrophically misinformed.
asciilifeform: dirigible shield generator not strong enough for pyongyang ?
trinque: I'm highly skeptical that a country building all the everything anyone uses on earth is anything like Pyongyang.
mircea_popescu: why would i want to crash some lame fat fuck's party ?
asciilifeform: idk, but i imagine it isn't any less entertaining than crashing a lame thin fuck's party ?
mircea_popescu: who's the lame thin fuck of china again ? or i lost an antecedent, wut
asciilifeform: i bet nubbins`'s cook roomie isn't any more present in pyongyang than in pekin
mircea_popescu: or pluto...
mircea_popescu: say, this is starting to make sense to me nopw.
asciilifeform: at any rate, who am i to say that mircea_popescu would not fit in cn. perhaps he has always wanted to eat roast dog, pay 90% of his revenue as bakshish to local party 'райком', and endure the stench of the most packed mass of beoble known...
mircea_popescu: how do you know all this ?
asciilifeform: largely from ru folks working into/out of cn
trinque: China is a gigantic country. All of it eats roast dog?
asciilifeform: but 'mileage may vary' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: kinda my point. working into/out of "cn". what is that ?
asciilifeform: trinque: neither i nor the sources can speak for 'all' of anything. but cn is a rice kingdom, yes.
asciilifeform: not much in the way of lactosy foodstuff served there, no.
mircea_popescu: china is ten million square kms or some shit.
asciilifeform: mostly empty, like usa, ru, or au
trinque: right, and look at the variance you get in the USA
trinque: say rural south vs downtown Seattle
asciilifeform: but i reasoned that if mircea_popescu were an aficionado of mega-emptyspace, he'd be in patagonia now
mircea_popescu: so you propose to me that a 10 mn sqkm surface inhabited by ~2bn people is ENTIRELY uninhabitable, on account of the fact that... RICE grows there ?
asciilifeform: the poles are habitable.
asciilifeform: with regular supply flights.
trinque: or for that matter downtown Houston vs Magnolia, TX
mircea_popescu: i needed regular supply flights in my own fucking country, just for having moved to the outskirts of my home province.,
asciilifeform: trinque: y'know what houston and magnolia have in common? 'fedex' ships there.
trinque: that much is true
trinque: nobody ships to Shenzen?
mircea_popescu: i have a dhl-in-the-desert pic from egypt
trinque: I know for a fact they ship *from*
mircea_popescu: trinque why would they :)
trinque: ha, you're right
mircea_popescu: you take water upriver much ? lol
trinque: they make it all there
asciilifeform: from - every half second!
asciilifeform: to - another matter. but prolly just a question of cost
asciilifeform: like shipping to the south pole.
trinque: shenzen is not the south pole lol
mircea_popescu: shenzen is, roughly speaking, detroit of 1920 or new jersey of 1880
asciilifeform: they had fresh milk in detroit 1920 ?
asciilifeform: or not ?
mircea_popescu: for whom ?
mircea_popescu: for the working class kids - no.
asciilifeform: at any rate, this is not the class of problem which is a problem to mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what this is.
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 02:26:17; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ?
mircea_popescu: the rent in romania article i linked coupla weeks ago was discussing "affordability" in terms of, "to people makinmg 400 euro per month as an avg salary".
mircea_popescu: yes, that's not a concern. nevertheless, whether i buy or i don't buy is still a decision.
asciilifeform: who the hell moves to ro to earn the local salary though
mircea_popescu: and if i couldn't do business with a defined class, no matter which class, i'd have a very serious PERSONAL problem in my own estimation, and i'd go resolve it forthwith.
mircea_popescu: ;;google average salary in china
gribble: China Average Yearly Wages - Trading Economics: <>; Wages and employment | China Labour Bulletin: <>; The average Chinese private-sector worker earns about the same ...: <>
mircea_popescu: and as to who : women.
mircea_popescu: from ukraina.
asciilifeform: it isn't a 'couldn't do business,' but my current understanding is that the han chinese see white man sorta how the gypsies see european - as somebody to be scammed clean at the first opportunity.
mircea_popescu: usure this is not just how everyone sees idiots ?
asciilifeform: ask al schwartz about the univ. of beijing carrying out (yes) the eotvos trials.
asciilifeform: or i suppose i could talk about my years of working in labs with ~50% or so cn folks, getting to know'em, but i don't imagine mircea_popescu will find this interesting
mircea_popescu: i would, sure.
asciilifeform: then, essentially, urbanized pashtuns, with tribal-familial wot hardcoded in firmware
asciilifeform: not related by blood or marriage ? then you're a barbarian, to be dealt with the way a teenager deals with a coke machine
asciilifeform: other thing is that these fine folks have been perfecting organized fraud since before euro man climbed down from trees
asciilifeform: ask the chemistry ph.d. how he got the sheepskin. ask the next dozen, also. 'washed glass for advisor'
mircea_popescu: can we has case study instead of summary ?
asciilifeform: few years back, they shot (or perhaps made noises of threatening to?) a mega-crystallographer in uni of beijing. he faked structures for decades, and his subordinates too
asciilifeform: some of these are still (!) in ncbi db on www
asciilifeform: ^ case study
mircea_popescu: you're so flunking case study 101 class...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu wanted case study of folks i saw with own eyes ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, it's what you introduced
asciilifeform: very well: dr y. y., biochemistry ph.d., age mid-30s (at the time); wasted perhaps $2mil of usg piggy, and everybody's time, for 5+ yrs.
asciilifeform: my office mate, for a spell.
asciilifeform: me: 'y., why do you read the 'times' all day?' y: 'i'm bored.'
asciilifeform: me: 'why did you choose this profession, y?' y: 'wanted to be respectable'
asciilifeform: me: 'your thesis reads just like a summary of dr. c's work'
asciilifeform: y: 'i washed glass for dr. c and did his excel sheets'
asciilifeform: enough ?
asciilifeform: and yes, this was one. there are moar
asciilifeform: perhaps completes the picture if i reveal that the man had wife, 2 y.o. son, back home. and they lived very well off his chickenfeed salary.
asciilifeform: and so did the grandparents.
trinque: k, turning on the feeds. each will barf top 5 when added.
trinque: deedbot-: feeds list
deedbot-: No feeds.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno what problem you see in there ?
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deedbot-: [Trilema] I killed one, I'm publishing another, who the hell knows what's going on anymore. -
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mircea_popescu: seems to me a lot better than $coleague
deedbot-: [Trilema] Oglaf is still the biggest thing happening in English and other considerations -
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trinque: maybe assbot could ignore deedbot- ^
mircea_popescu: he used to, but then we changed it's name
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla update plox
trinque: deedbot-: feeds add
trinque: and I recall conversation around phuctor's rss. should I add it?
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps more on subject, the interesting and magic moment came when a middle-aged animal handler chick from cn was fired (over long-standing dispute over a paper's attribution) with the (.in) chief
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whole orchestra of cn folks, many who did not even appear in the org chart but somehow had leverage, appeared out of nowhere, making a fuss
asciilifeform: simply because bloodwot.
assbot: Surgeon uses human fat to run his cars - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "However the discovery left medical regulators unimpressed. Using human medical waste to power vehicles (or indeed for any other commercial purpose) is largely illegal, and Dr Bittner's clinic has been raided by California Health Department officials."
mircea_popescu: that's what they did to th ewater engine too'!!11!11!
BingoBoingo: Seriously.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point is that china is different from ro, ar, usa, in several interesting ways which mircea_popescu appears to heavily discount the importance of. perhaps he has own reasons for this, but i couldn't possible know them..
mircea_popescu: well for sure us is very similar to ro, in the following amusing way : /me clearly recalls arab fellow living in romania explaining to me the problems with gypsies.
mircea_popescu: adding to the amusement, the part that he wasn't aware that to the average romanian, the arab,gypsy difference seems slight. but i suspect you know in english russian, chinese, same deal.
BingoBoingo more curious how mircea_popescu plans to get real internet in .cn
mircea_popescu: but that aside, i have very little hope left to be much surprised by people.
mircea_popescu: what, they dont have cable ?
BingoBoingo: Don't they have that wall thing to keep the Mongols lost and until they get found, but for internet
asciilifeform: but i, for one, look forward to reading mircea_popescu's description of life in middle kingdom!!
mircea_popescu: o right. how am i going to get encrypted connections to my various servers. i dunno, BingoBoingo !
mircea_popescu: maybe i discover they drop payloads at the backbone level
mircea_popescu: LIKE YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW
asciilifeform: nah why do that when you can hang a man upside down and cut off his skin until have they key.
BingoBoingo: sure, or they throttle the white man's speed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it wasn't discussed as anything more than a very vague possibility. just, your objections got rejected is all!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why would i get it in my own name ?
mircea_popescu: they don't have women in china, either ?!
asciilifeform: from the linked photo earlier, i am still uncertain they they have women..
asciilifeform: women have curvez
mircea_popescu: that was a woman.
mircea_popescu: what, you mean like an ass ?
lobbes: << On the contrary. I was able to get the updated fork installed on my server Saturday, which contains the re-written RSS plugin.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 04:38:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes your bot is dead ?
lobbes: Of course, with this update lobbesbot seems to have new problems communicating with assbot. In summary, all that is left is to figure out how to get lobbesbot to !up himself again..
mircea_popescu: pm up dun werk ?
lobbes: for some reason, the OTP from assbot doesn't get sent to the messages.log like it used to pre-limnoria
lobbes: I'm sure I'm just missing something obvious
trinque: alright, well, this is the 3rd time I've had to get feeds going on mine
trinque: mind if I just keep doing it?
lobbes: well, I can't really say 'no.' If you've got a working solution, there's no need to wait for my derpage
kakobrekla: well, i dont mind who runs rss bot - but - usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler
mircea_popescu: iirc yes
trinque: parsimony strikes again; I'll endeavor to avoid busses
trinque: my bot voices himself
kakobrekla: yeah cause you are irrogant
mircea_popescu: trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a
mircea_popescu: i even lost count, we're on 7 now ?
trinque: oddly enough yes
kakobrekla: !s rss sucks
assbot: 3 results for 'rss sucks' :
trinque: something like that
kakobrekla: i even added rss to assbot for bens jeniks - which got shut down a day after.
trinque: I've had a working module for months at least, but was letting somebody else take a job
trinque: but lo, I am trinque, eater of bots
lobbes: <kakobrekla> usually we just let the chanserv do the bot voicing to make it simpler << so, in other words, no need for assbot voicing?
trinque: how hard is it
kakobrekla: you avoid gpg
trinque: and?
kakobrekla: less code = better
trinque: no, the right amount of code is better
kakobrekla: the right amount being less in this particular case :)
mircea_popescu: it's really no huge deal either way,
trinque: so why don't you set rules for everyone to be autovoiced when authed with nickserv
trinque: as per some list
trinque: I don't want to spend another morning farting around with something as inconsequential as an RSS plugin
kakobrekla: do you expect to find shakespeare in your server logz?
trinque: I expect that someone who says "I will run an RSS bot" does it
trinque: so they don't waste my time
mircea_popescu: nah, the autovoice thing going away is prolly the right direction anyway
trinque: notably the bitching about how someone else wants to do it comes after I've put work into bringing mine back online
mircea_popescu: uh. did i miss something ?
kakobrekla: dunno, he seems pissed.
trinque: I'm not pissed at all. lobbes here seems to want to do scoops.
lobbes: trinque: not scoops, per se. I've just been on a quest to handle alf's phuctor feed
lobbes: the rest, I thought was williamdunne
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly much better stuff to get worked up over.
mircea_popescu: who was selling all those bitbet bets
mircea_popescu: ;;seen TheNewDeal
gribble: TheNewDeal was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <TheNewDeal> !down TheNewDeal
assbot: BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 1.48 B (14%) on Yes, 8.9 B (86%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 3 hours | weight: 59`576 (100`000 to 1) ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: kakobrekla: at the time I wrote deedbot- there was an agreement that the thing should voice itself when I asked you to autovoice it.
mircea_popescu: that agreement was mostly me delicately pushing evolution.
mircea_popescu: it's not a bad thing, evolution.
trinque: seems the right way to me. fits using another means of communication at some later date, too
trinque: anywho, I am just trying to keep the gears turning. I'm not "pissed"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, "choose this profession" thing might be the distillate of the issue. on one hand, the evidence that suchg a thinbg as "choosing your profession" even exuists in nature is slight at best. take the longstanding observation that "a young researcher will end up in that field where he encounters the first success".
mircea_popescu: also the cui prodest analysis comes out very heavily charged. apparently the only people who'd benefit from you think "you chose" "your" "profession" are the people selling professions, and choice.
mircea_popescu: "now you chose it, it's yours, you gotta upkeep it" goes the taxation verbiage. just like... wait for it...
mircea_popescu: just like the puritan view of a wife.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at mr x's camp : he chose nothing and no profesion. he can eat here. what's your problem ?
mircea_popescu: and in those terms, your problem is "why are you such an asshole" which comes directly to "why don't you wash like we do".
mircea_popescu: his answer is plain : because nobody forced him to.
mircea_popescu: because you're not tough enough to, so there it goes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not in the 'morals' business. but personally prefer the company of folks who wash, at least on occasion.
asciilifeform: and to work in fields where honest work is carried out at least on occasion
mircea_popescu: i prefer the company of intelligent folks.
mircea_popescu: will put up with almost anything else.
mircea_popescu: but i can't stand dumb.
asciilifeform: dr y. wasn't dumb. merely entirely uninteresting, preoccupied with details of daily life as a not-especially-well-of d.c. resident, e.g., where the 'cheapest' petrol is to be had
mircea_popescu can readily envisage the situation where, being dirigiblewrecked on same lab, would prefer the company of mr x over pretty much everyone in the dept.
kakobrekla: !up williamdunne
kakobrekla: now you can
asciilifeform: where to get new tires.
mircea_popescu: first generation transplant huh
asciilifeform: and not really perma-transplant
asciilifeform: but off-to-make-a-little-dough
williamdunne: +1 on auto-upping some nicks. I wanted to re-write Scoop in a language that doesn't use JIT and other such crap, but many languages lack GPG libraries that actually work.
williamdunne: i.e clisp lacks a documented library afaik
williamdunne: D required a hacky method of telling the application to use the command line
mircea_popescu: hopefully we get a pgp implementation that's usable sometime this side of the decade.
mike_c: don't we already have a scoop?
asciilifeform: williamdunne: please try to avoid referring to common lisp as 'clisp' in the interest of not confusing n00bz - clisp is a thing, it is a (pretty poor) free implementation of common lisp
asciilifeform: (a particular proggy)
mike_c: now maintained by someone who might keep it up more than a week
asciilifeform: << get it (or, i recommend, don't!) here
assbot: CLISP - an ANSI Common Lisp Implementation ... ( )
asciilifeform: williamdunne: my current understanding is that there is not, on this planet, a 'gpg library that actually works' - period, full-stop.
williamdunne: Ok, well lets settle on works well enough for the rather limited goal
mircea_popescu: consumers haven't come to expect.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: if you want to pgp, you're mostly stuck with shell call-outs to classical gpg.
asciilifeform: hope you're on a reasonable unix.
asciilifeform: and don't have sensitive key material in the mix.
mike_c: ^ why?
mike_c: can't do much useful without it.
williamdunne: I'm on Ubuntu running GnuPG 1.4.16
williamdunne: mike_c: I'm assuming he's meaning airgapping
asciilifeform: timing and malformed-chosen-ciphertext attax, for instance.
asciilifeform: not to mention that there is no effective way to do this across airgap
mike_c: hm. mpex hasn't been cracked by that yet.
asciilifeform: mike_c: iirc mpex runs using meatbots carrying ciphertext/plaintext to/from.
mike_c: hehe, no way
mike_c: you send encrypted message, get encrypted response back in real time
asciilifeform: not if coin moves ?
mike_c: "coin".. you do on trades.
mircea_popescu: mpex is not open to general public tho
asciilifeform: i'll let mircea_popescu answer this one (if he feels like..) - iirc there is also a 'diode' in there somewhere
mircea_popescu: runs a sort of "can afford 50 btc" wot
mike_c: malformed ciphertext is just theoretical, no? never seen in wild?
asciilifeform: mike_c: depends what you mean 'the wild'
mike_c: i mean nobody (here) knows of any real example of this working.
mike_c: i mean, what's it going to do? root the box? I guess that's worst case.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: you probably own one of the most valuable pgp/email lists going..
mircea_popescu: nah, mpex is "potemkins all the way down". i read it on reddit.
mircea_popescu: also #b-a is just a treefort and so on
williamdunne: ;;ud potemkins
gribble: | Comes from a legend of Governor Potemkin of Crimea who supposedly created sham villages (Potemkin Villages) to impress his queen from a distance, but this ...
mircea_popescu: yeah amusingly i had the same problem lol
williamdunne: That's a pretty cool word
williamdunne: I like it
mircea_popescu: whathavei.jpg
asciilifeform: mike_c: the basic concept here is the same as in hygiene elsewhere. i, personally, do not know of anyone who has become ill from, e.g., eating rotting carcass. but i refrain nonetheless.
asciilifeform: re: 'in the wild.'
asciilifeform: generally you do not want to hook up a machine with sensitive keymat to public.
asciilifeform: if there is any way to avoid it.
asciilifeform: (including, imho most often, not doing the thing at all)
mike_c: sure, generally. but if you're building a pgp interface.. obviously assbot has done so
asciilifeform: assbot only verifies.
asciilifeform: it does not access privkeymat
mike_c: right. but if you want to build a service that has proper message security, how else to do it?
asciilifeform: meatnet.
asciilifeform: or not at all.
mike_c: well, don't tell that to mpex.
asciilifeform: meatnet, at least in weak form, doesn't have to mean gurlz carrying floppy disks
asciilifeform: could simply mean a 300 baud link over 'diode' and optical fiber, to next room, with 24/7 eyes watching the text
trinque: heh, sounds a lot like the human fuel gauge in Waterworld
mircea_popescu: "MegaIndex - powerfull analytics tool which allows to get comprehensive report about web-site's incoming and outgoing links." <, in other news, i am persuaded 50% or more of webtrafic is meta.
mircea_popescu: people trying to figure out whence other people get traffic.
asciilifeform: nah. trying to figure out whence other people get their meta.
mircea_popescu: ironically enough, i serve millions of pages/day to various of these idiots, and none yet has managed to observe that they do not get articles.
mircea_popescu: because srsly, trilema paid content thing "is just not done"
mircea_popescu: so bing and yahoo and ahrefs and who have you dozens of names literally still dutifully "index"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is certain they don't see articles? what kinda spammer uses anything but a fresh ip ?
mircea_popescu: and prepare "rteports" and their granny on a stick.
thestringpuller: trinque: ah. I remember that scene.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these guys. they don't think themselves spammers.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: will the eyes scale? if a lot of cipher text turds are being thrown around you'd have to have a lot of eyes, as I can't imagine this scaling very well.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: my kitchen doesn't scale either.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't ?!
asciilifeform: nor my toilet can accomodate 10,000 shits per day
trinque: not with that attitude
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mircea_popescu: come to shenzen, we make 10k fit.
asciilifeform half-sold already
mircea_popescu: anyone remember that retarded chinese satellite launch thing where all the hopped up boys had to report PLAN OVERDELIVERED!!!
mircea_popescu: "1.8 seconds faster than"
mircea_popescu: "blablabla".
mircea_popescu: so asciilifeform shit thinner, faster, be a shenzen-er today!
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the clockwork orange method i see.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what's so hot about shenzen in particular
asciilifeform: why not, e.g., wuhan
asciilifeform: (where they make spiffy pcb !)
asciilifeform: or hk for that matter..
mircea_popescu: not hot at all. i just picked a random name, cuz some interwebs chick was from there. then you got all immuno-responsive on me.
mircea_popescu: as if they ate your dog or something
asciilifeform: nah, dog i could go for
mircea_popescu: they ate your... penis ?
asciilifeform: (can one milk dog ?)
mircea_popescu: it's disgustingly sweet.
asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu has considered/tried singapore
mircea_popescu: still with the fucking islands ?
asciilifeform: sg is an island like staten island, new york
mircea_popescu: i don't live on staten island, either.
asciilifeform: not overly fond of the sea, i take it ?
mircea_popescu: btw you ever seen their formidable class ?
mircea_popescu: "we found some old tigers and we made them boats!"
mircea_popescu: and im very fond of the sea for just as long as the distance between us is my decision.
mircea_popescu: like with any other woman.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: altimeter solves that one, no?
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Professionals - Looking For Bitcoin Talent? Ad <<< someone got so many "bitcoin professionals" they're paying google to help give them away.
mircea_popescu: "A Certified Bitcoin Professional is knowledgeable about the Bitcoin blockchain, Bitcoin transactions, and how the Bitcoin network operates. CBPs are able to apply Bitcoin technology to their professional area of expertise"
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 23:29:43; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it?
asciilifeform: yeah that one
mircea_popescu: you know this occurs to me - it WOULD be helpful if we had an actual "Bitcoin Basics Qualification" thing.
mircea_popescu: so random person can score their own proficiency.
asciilifeform: what'd that be
mircea_popescu: same thing as the color test was. or should have been,
asciilifeform: imho 'had x coin last year, still have it now' is a pretty good test
mircea_popescu: "do you see a 5 here ? no ? you're blind mofo"
asciilifeform: even if slow
mircea_popescu: good if unrelated.
mircea_popescu: "had a cunt 5years ago, still has it - clearly qualified as woman"
mircea_popescu: depends.
mircea_popescu is half tempted to write this.
asciilifeform: write^!
mircea_popescu: dja promise to lol at it ?
asciilifeform: i most certainly shall.
asciilifeform off for a spell
mircea_popescu: wtf am i gonna do tho, make it multiple choice ?!
mats: djia closes another 500 hundred points down
mircea_popescu: mats aha
mats: lulululul
mats: am no longer unsure about my decision last month to empty my retirement savings plan and buy buttcoins
mats: by no means do I think this is safe, but hey, risk taking is for the young
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00071948 = 27.2323 BTC [-]
assbot: Starcraft - Software News - OpenPandora Boards ... ( )
mats: Starcraft REd to run on ARM
danielpbarron: !up yamaka
assbot: Silicon Valley's infamous 'Startup Castle' is getting evicted | Fusion ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mats cool, it could join the armory ?
mircea_popescu: (the armory)
mats: TIL bought The Armory on Mission St
mats: passed by many times, had no idea
mircea_popescu: long ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26688 @ 0.00071952 = 19.2025 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: An (Important) Disproof Of The One-Time Pad | TechCrunch ... ( )
punkman: ^special kind of tard?
ben_vulpes: << product of the local 'feel good and have bad ideas' woodchipper
assbot: SXSW PanelPicker ... ( )
mats: >the three-judge panel upheld U.S. District Judge Esther Salas’ ruling that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has the authority under the “unfairness” prong of Section 5 of the FTC Act to bring suit against companies over data security practices.
mats: now just how this is gonna play will be amusing to watch
BingoBoingo: "addr" : "", "subver" : "/UMD-Coinscope:0.0/", "startingheight" : 346223, << Fuckers aren't even completely sync'd
danielpbarron: !up from_vice
punkman: danielpbarron: were you leaving comments at vice?
danielpbarron: yeah that one time and yeah it was a webchat link naming the victim "from_vice"
danielpbarron: was a few months ago if i recall correctly
asciilifeform: this is almost as good as the 'monty hall problem' tard-sauce
pete_dushenski: punkman lol 'halal pictures presents'
danielpbarron: my 0.5.4-beta node is up to height=231807 and syncing much faster than any machine i've ever maintained (due in part to the wonderful DISCARD BASTARD BLOCK feature, and in part to this particular machine having 8 gigs of ram)
pete_dushenski: almost as good as kosher
asciilifeform: was that thing even serious?
asciilifeform: or a parody piece
asciilifeform: i can't tell
punkman: asciilifeform: he even has an app that uses OTPs
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron nice
asciilifeform: i mean, this is 'tungsten melts in your mouth'-grade tardation
BingoBoingo: 43 is teal
assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
asciilifeform: re: the evicted 'castle': 'Do you have a fancy college degree or a job in a STEM field? Do you have fewer than two tattoos? Do you avoid Tinder dates and songs with explicit lyrics? Do you spend more than two hours a day exercising? Then you may be qualified to live at the Startup Castle, a self-proclaimed “community of excellence” located in a 17,000-square foot mansion in Woodside, California, just minutes from Stanford
asciilifeform: ’s campus.' (from same rag)
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Loon -
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Blackout -
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A Beautiful Mind -
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] So what’s a “client” in the Roman sense of the term ? -
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Blood and guts, pain and pleasure, creation and destruction. -
danielpbarron: especially nice considering that i'm using one of my old 5400 IDE-cable hard drives, and not even in a mirroring raid!
assbot: Silicon Valley's 'Startup Castle' is looking for roommates, and the requirements are completely bonkers | Fusion ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ pure lulgold
punkman: trinque: you gotta make the thing not post the backlog
trinque: why?
pete_dushenski: trinque guess i coulda done that too eh. but thx!
trinque: it only listens to me at the moment
trinque: and np
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 20:24:27; mircea_popescu: trinque one of the best parts of this entire open experiment thingee is how the rss bot was by far the MOST redone part of all of b-a
trinque: keeping things alive is the hardest problem
pete_dushenski: for bots as for people
pete_dushenski: as for plants etc
trinque: indeed
BingoBoingo: Well pete_dushenski Your blog is the one that tends to send RSS botmakers running screaming
pete_dushenski: the 'contravex curse'
BingoBoingo: Or maybe you just really have done something deeply and utterly wrong with your RSS
pete_dushenski: we'll now see how deedbot-'s immune system holds up against it
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo not impossibru, but i really haven't diddled with it. then again, perhaps that's the issue
pete_dushenski: why should i expect anything to work out of the box ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe you sleep diddled it? Maybe RSS just really dun like Jooz.
pete_dushenski: what is this, the future ?
BingoBoingo: Unfortunately
ben_vulpes: wordpress ca. 2014 iirc when you set your thing up
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo rss likes trilema well enough. and i'll be damned if it's smart enough to tell the difference between mp's jooiness and mine
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes true, but same for qntra
BingoBoingo: MP's just jooey, but not jooish
BingoBoingo: Could be your "theme"
BingoBoingo: Could be some derpy plugin
pete_dushenski: in any event
pete_dushenski: trinque's on it now
trinque: anybody sees any weirdness, just lemme know.
assbot: Loon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
assbot: Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( )
asciilifeform: !s from:from_vice
assbot: 14 results for 'from:from_vice' :
asciilifeform: 'Imagine one day having your bed converted into a bunk bed without your consent. Being promised food to be included in the fee you pay only to be yelled at when the food runs out. Witnessing an ex-military dude marching around the house yelling at people who didn’t “keep their shit clean enough”. '
asciilifeform: 'This place is a prison. It’s like living in the Hotel California, except we can’t even drink wine here.'
mats: paying 1k/mo to share a room in this place
mats: genius
asciilifeform: komyoonity of excellence !!1111!!111
asciilifeform: i admit that i kinda half expect this sort of thing to catch on
asciilifeform: 'millenials' enlisting in some crackpot 'boot camp' and paying for the privilege of receiving the whippings father never gave'em, etc
pete_dushenski: 'Ben & Pete’s Magickal Skool For Kidz Who Can Mebbe Not Suck' (tm) (r)
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 15:39:08; PeterL: well, I have had it stuck in a "retirement account" for a few years now, seemed like a good idea back when I put it in ... bleh
pete_dushenski: sure, there are rules, regs, penalties, and whatever nonsense between you and your 401k bezzlars, but it's not like a little pain and a little friction now isn't a damned reasonable price to pay to avoid a lot of pain and an impossible amount of friction later
pete_dushenski: i had the same 'stuck' in 2013 and i can tell you that it's not the end of the world to unjam
pete_dushenski: anyone in a similar position is henceforth advised that, yes, it's possible to become unstuck from retirement scams that you will never see the proceeds from
pete_dushenski: and it requires no special training
pete_dushenski: just. do. it.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: there's precisely one that this doesn't work for
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: do you know which ?
pete_dushenski: hm. i do not.
pete_dushenski: the retiree eating out of his savings fund ?
asciilifeform: it's the one where plantation owner doesn't see any logical reason to give the slave anything to store up
asciilifeform: because his 'retirement' is.. last bullet
punkman: asciilifeform: not like there's much left in the retirement funds here, but this is not possible
asciilifeform: mega-possible
asciilifeform: and pete_dushenski has it.
asciilifeform: i fully expect to eat every penny i ever saved, at some point, and then starve.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets -
asciilifeform: 'Indeed imagine a world where messages broadcasted publicly could be recorded. A world where screen shots and web archiving tools can preserve the content of broadcasted messages indefinitely, and where comparing the publication medium to an archived record can reveal otherwise unannounced retractions. In short imagine the real world as it actually is.' << gold
pete_dushenski: haha yup, homerun.
BingoBoingo: thank you asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: and pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform you and mp's grandpa with your starving
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: not same starvation
mircea_popescu: a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5
mircea_popescu: got traditions to upkeep :D
pete_dushenski: keeping me in the stone age eh ?
pete_dushenski: well, that's tradition for ya
asciilifeform: ;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Fiddler on the roof tradition - YouTube ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ^saw local production of fiddler last night as part of 'the fringe' festival (as was covered in recent contravex reviews). unfortunately, other than a hell of a tevye and a rather lovely hodel, the cast of 45 was unbearably atrocious
felipelalli: asciilifeform, I sent you two things. Which one should I send to the mailing list?
pete_dushenski: cows with tuning forks up their asses could hold a better tune than golde
felipelalli: The fix?
asciilifeform: felipelalli: anything pertaining to therealbitcoin
pete_dushenski: the local production had this 'make accessible' and 'involve whole community' mandate branded on their stupid skulls, with entirely predictable results
felipelalli: asciilifeform, ok, I'm sorry. I did not want to pollute the list.
pete_dushenski: the riff-raff they let in wouldn't cut it in any of the high school or junior high productions i was in
asciilifeform: but polluting my mailbox is a-ok? l0l
asciilifeform: if it pertains to therealbitcoin, it belongs on the list
felipelalli: asciilifeform, ok, I'll try :)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml <<< ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski thatre's a dead concern everywhere. and even opera.
asciilifeform: ludovic xiv may say 'l'etat c'est moi', but i am not therealbitcoin !
asciilifeform: felipelalli, others:
felipelalli: I sent to this.
asciilifeform: you didn't.
mircea_popescu: !up phf_
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu sounds like it's definitely dead in buenos aires
mircea_popescu: scala is fucking dead.
pete_dushenski: since when ?
mircea_popescu: at least a decade.
thestringpuller: wassup pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu hm
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller hey dude
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i've only ever migrated a blog from wp to wp
pete_dushenski: trying googling 'migrate from tumblr to wp'
pete_dushenski: or something to that effect
assbot: How one German millennial chose to live on trains rather than pay rent - The Washington Post ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "financially, she benefits from living on a train: The flat-rate ticket costs her about $380, whereas she had to pay about $450 for her previous apartment."
trinque: definitely not poverty, no. it's a lifestyle choice.
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
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trinque: mircea_popescu | a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 << lol, we'll see how it goes
trinque: asciilifeform: neat
mircea_popescu: anyway, im writing this "Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification", bbs.
asciilifeform: felipelalli: you gotta be in l2 to write to the ml.
asciilifeform: !rate felipelalli 1 therealbitcoin tester
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trinque: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
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trinque: asciilifeform: ^
trinque: he can up himself here, and submit deeds
asciilifeform: then nfi.
asciilifeform: jurov awake?
asciilifeform: jurov: anything in caught in turdatron gluetrap from felipelalli ?
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asciilifeform: 'Fork of python-gnupg-0.3.2, patched to fix a potential vulnerability which could result in remote code execution, do to unsanitised inputs being passed to subprocess.Popen([...], shell=True)'
asciilifeform: aahahahahaha
trinque: it is at this point I'll note for the attentive readers that I parse my inputs myself, tyvm
trinque: this aside from the beauty of dealing only in one's WoT
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asciilifeform: creates more questions than answers - why this fix, if essential, not snarfed upstream, for instance ?
phf: "gem" culture?
phf: like ruby gems, famous for having a fashionable veneer ("we do DSL like lisp!") and horrible buggy 80% code
phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem"
pete_dushenski: << there's always, say, istria, riga, or montreal
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:27:24; mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can't picture him choosing to walk usg earth again
asciilifeform: which istria, riga, montreal all are.
pete_dushenski goes back to drawing board
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mircea_popescu: note that it's a draft yet at rfc stage and im still actively working on it
mircea_popescu: so make sugestions.
mircea_popescu: just - the broad scheme should be visible, so might as well share.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform though riga is damn near russian territory, and if not yet, soon to be again
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: rigs is a holy place to me, but only for so long as the golden little tins keep a'comin'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but i have given up trying to fit some kind of earthling logic to mircea_popescu's moves
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spiffy quiz piece
mircea_popescu: what's missing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some suggested items, in no particular order, here goes,
mircea_popescu: especially re the math and cs.
mircea_popescu: (/me doubts anyone here would pass section B, fwiw)
asciilifeform: mathematics. 'what is a trapdoor function?'
mircea_popescu: instead of hash ?
mircea_popescu: i was aiming for that nebulous cloud.
asciilifeform: aha. broader concept.
mircea_popescu: good point huh.
mircea_popescu: ima do that instead of hash.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is hands-down the part 'b' lecturer, aha
mircea_popescu: dont want too much googlable shit anyway
asciilifeform: i won't even touch 'b'
asciilifeform: though how did b-3 end up there ?
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin - be your own bank! wut ?"
asciilifeform: i suppose that'd be a hint as to the answer, wouldntit
asciilifeform: (the 'chained ciphers' one)
mircea_popescu: mistake fixing
asciilifeform: i still don't see it, btw. if re-encrypting could result in weakening, it would be a cryptoanalytic tool (as it in fact is for certain misimplemented rsatrons, actually)
mircea_popescu: but you presume you'd use the same thing.
mircea_popescu: whereas no. this is not said.
asciilifeform: re: the rsa thing, 'superencryption' is the term of art
asciilifeform: same thing ?
mircea_popescu: you think we\re discussing F(F(F(x))) whereas we did not say a=b=F
asciilifeform: the use of multiple ciphersystems, presumably (if operator is not entirely retarded) would be something like 'first aes with key k1, then the output with serpent and key k2, then twofish with k3....' etc
asciilifeform: this was not the scheme intended in this puzzle ?
mircea_popescu: it was, yes.
asciilifeform: i am at a total loss as to how this results in a weaker system
asciilifeform: unless catastrophically misimplemented
mircea_popescu: in one famous case, because this allows you to pass a null parameter
asciilifeform: in such a way as to make the above description false
mircea_popescu: which the underlying function is not ready to handle
asciilifeform: aha then this.
mircea_popescu: well yes that.
asciilifeform: but this is rather like 'don't use division in your proggy because you might divide by zero'
mircea_popescu: it did not say at any point "do" or "do not do".
mircea_popescu: it inquires as to what you know.
asciilifeform: some more randoms,
asciilifeform: chapter 'c'. 'explain the second-system effect and discuss a well-known case'
asciilifeform: 'a' - define nash's equilibrium
mircea_popescu: instead of schelling maybe ?
asciilifeform: not quite same item, but if one must have one, i'd have nash's
mircea_popescu: yeah, you're right
asciilifeform: (schelling's is rather less rigorous of an animal)
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mircea_popescu: so it is.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: re #1, AG /= DAG
asciilifeform: where did he say the 'directed' ?
Adlai: he didn't
mircea_popescu: Adlai yes but let the answerer point this out
mircea_popescu: there's a science to these
Adlai: mircea_popescu: well shit, now any shmuck that reads the logs can do so. sorry bout that...
mircea_popescu: no big deal.
mircea_popescu: this is what learning is : reading the logs.
Adlai: mno.
mircea_popescu: what, you think i was born with it or something.
asciilifeform: 'd' - 'what is meant by a sybil attack?'
mircea_popescu: im putting it in 6.
mircea_popescu: (imo it was in 6 already, but anyway)
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asciilifeform: 'd' (or 'a') - 'what is perfect forward secrecy?'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Discuss perfect forward secrecy, in the broader context of mathematical guarantees."
mircea_popescu: imo nails it
Adlai would also add to Section A something about ECC
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i won't even touch 'b' << I might work on answering the b problems as they materialize
asciilifeform: Adlai: it's an exam, not an open-problems list
mircea_popescu: i dun think ecc is integral to bitcoin
asciilifeform: unless you meant 'error-correcting code'
mircea_popescu: and this is not a "bitcoin technician" test.
asciilifeform: 'a' or 'd' - 'describe three mutually-orthogonal notions of 'entropy', and their applications.'
mircea_popescu: nice but nah.
asciilifeform: gotta ask something about 'random' though
mircea_popescu: that's for a different class.
asciilifeform: it is a very common basic logical mistake among the students.
mircea_popescu: i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin
Adlai: well not literally "say something about ECC"... how about: "given [idiotically-signed] transactions A and B, recover the private key [mis]used in their signatures"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh sure you do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or hard to explain the 'android incident' etc
mircea_popescu: easy to explain. idjits.
Adlai: why? because if they don't, somebody else will.
mircea_popescu: let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: without concept of randomness, it is impossible to explain why it is that what the idjits did was idjotic
mircea_popescu: i don't think it was idiotic. they spent their bitcoin.
Adlai: "i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin" << this actually goes hand-in-hand with my suggestion!
mircea_popescu: why exactly is this a problem ?
asciilifeform very confused
mircea_popescu: this is also not a "how to save" or "how to put out fires" guide.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lemme put it this way : their problem has nothing to do with bitcoin, but with their head.
asciilifeform: and this does not apply to the rest of the quiz items ?
Adlai: this question is a "how to avoid derping your client's funds"
mircea_popescu: does not, no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's for a second presume, as a thought experiment, that magically any call to a random function returned 5.
mircea_popescu: this as a rule of the universe, not avoidable. perfectly deterministic anything and everything.
mircea_popescu: i put it to you bitcoion would still exist and function.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: function ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can't nondeterministically create the addrs, OR the nonces, you're fucked
asciilifeform: as in, anyone can take anything.
Adlai: let's put it this way: either they should pass this (ie, my question); or they should understand 'random'; or i give up and have a little giggle
mircea_popescu: you don't have to use THE SAME ecc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the fuck can one say 'it functions' if i can divine all of your keys
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". << An Vexual has most priviledged access to most random
Adlai: fwiw, you don't need randomness for secure key reuse, just RFC 6979
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mircea_popescu ponders if he took it too far
Adlai: mircea_popescu: don't worry, so does satoshi :P
asciilifeform: Adlai: you still need non-guessable privkeys
mircea_popescu: yeah ok, "all functions" does not work, i give. and it's not sal;vageable.
Adlai: asciilifeform: meh, just hash a photo of your cat
asciilifeform: i do wish that mircea_popescu were right about this, it would make for an interesting mathemagical mindfuck
asciilifeform: Adlai: this invokes notions of 'random'
mircea_popescu: and if we ARE stuck with some sort of randomness in there, contrary to my original intuition,
mircea_popescu: entropy ios probably best.
Adlai: asciilifeform: this invokes notions of 'gives up and has a giggle'
asciilifeform: hence why i suggested it..
mircea_popescu: yeah. ima put it in A.
mircea_popescu: aren't 3 too many ?
mircea_popescu: ima ask for 2.
asciilifeform: i can think 3 entirely-orthogonal that have come up here.
Adlai still thinks there's more at hand than mere than key *generation*
Adlai: you can't just use keys anywhichway.
mircea_popescu: Adlai the idea being that if they have a decent understanding of fundamentals
mircea_popescu: they'll be fine/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform me too, but...
Adlai: tell it to that guy building tin woman out of aluminium, after hall-heroult
Adlai isn't the only one giggling now! yay
asciilifeform: bar - enaqbz va gur frafr bs haxabja-gb naq hathrffnoyr-ol gur bccbarag. gjb - va gur frafr bs orvat fryrpgrq nf n erfhyg bs n fgngvfgvpnyyl-fzbbgu cebprff - r.t., onynaprq ebhyrggr jurry be snve pbva. guerr - enaqbz va gur frafr bs nccrnevat gb unir uvtu nytbevguzvp (xbyzbtbebi, punvgva) pbzcyrkvgl. r.t., qvtvgf bs 'cv' ner (3) ohg abg (2) naq hfhnyyl abg (1).
Adlai: tl;drot13
asciilifeform: hey it wants to be a quiz
mircea_popescu: ;;google
gribble: Rot13: <>; ROT13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; ROT13 - <>
asciilifeform: i oughtn't just fuck it for people
mircea_popescu: the way this test is designed, not only is lying a theft against oneself, as these things usually are - but moreover it leaves a trail and there's something to bitterly regret later.
mircea_popescu: so i'm not too worried.
asciilifeform: well yes, but ideally folks who are reading this can try the puzzle first, then see the hints
mike_c: i like this thing, a lot
Adlai: mircea_popescu: Econ#5, "programmatically-issued"?
Adlai: this seems like too-abstract a wording, unless one of your implied prerequisites is internet telepathy
mike_c: not as much as a certification, cuz i don't gives a fuk, but as a reading list. like, if you can't answer this, go research it.
mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
asciilifeform: 'd' - 'what is coevolution?'
mircea_popescu: Adlai the opposite of "centrally-issued".
mircea_popescu: mike_c kinda its main utility.
mircea_popescu: as with all examinations ever.
Adlai finds himself confused; must be that incompetence, acting up again
mike_c: i mean, this is the long-lost "how do I learn bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: Adlai well there isn't a word cause it's new!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, too biology.
Adlai suspects 'deterministic' may be one side, or the other
mircea_popescu: hey, ever seen biolo made an adverb before ?
BingoBoingo suggest section E: Biology
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mircea_popescu: lol. fortunately, slavekeeping not a requirement.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: you want comments here or in trilema?
mircea_popescu: in trilema ideally
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not strictly biological; e.g., winblowz virii qualify
mircea_popescu: esp if longer and so forth.
asciilifeform: as 'coevolve'
mircea_popescu: yeah but...
mircea_popescu: not that it's not interesting. but this is already a major asspoking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one sad result of this exercise is that in fact it turns out a privileged relationship to randomness is an ingredient.
mircea_popescu: it's not just ntp ;/
mike_c: uh, ur commenting shit on my comment
mike_c: cut half of it off
mircea_popescu: mike_c did you put < in there ?
mike_c: two of em
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not just this! gotta have access to arithmetic, even!
mircea_popescu: either &lt; or something. esp <--- is a comment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah.
asciilifeform: srsly designers of microcomps helped to spread the most bizarre misconceptions about what is rare and costly and what is common as shit
asciilifeform: entropy is squarely in the latter class
mircea_popescu: (one will note that the arithmetic basic is in pm economy too - the original way to lose your coinz was to not know how to count)
asciilifeform: but just about everyone mentally places it in the former
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is kinda what literacy is about, i think
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform water idem.
mircea_popescu: go run in the desert.
asciilifeform: not having to trust someone else to read the scrollz
mircea_popescu: how "common" something is in principle does not mean it doesn't have to be on the supply list.
Adlai: "not to know how to count" << for logz and lolz:
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: water in sahara, air in orbit, entropy on ibm pc...
asciilifeform: Adlai: another more subtle example, see the earlier link today with the 'otp was debunked now!111!!11!' imbecile
asciilifeform: (example of 'arithmetically-challenged-and-doesn't-know-it')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'd' - 'what is a man-in-the-middle attack'
Adlai: "all i know is that i know all"
mike_c: anybody looking for a job in bitcoin - take that article, turn it into a course.
mike_c: there's your syllabus
mike_c: teach it, charge for it
Adlai: mike_c: "a job", implying somebody pays you... sounds more like an enterprise
asciilifeform: gonna be tough considering how we teach right here, for phree
Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer"
mike_c: I don't think so. In here is different. Experts learning from experts.
hanbot: would help getting the cert first hm
Adlai: mike_c: well i guess i should leave then!
mike_c: hanbot: I would think that would a pre-req for charging, yeah.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to form a mental model of the how+why of certain quiz items; for instance, why is rawls in there, but not, e.g, 'describe what is a bucket shop'
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mike_c: Adlai: well then you should take the course :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a' - 'what is idempotence ?'
Adlai is genuinely curious who here defines themselves an "expert", and in what field... not that nobody can make a valid claim, just... curious
asciilifeform: Adlai: generally, this determination is made by.. one's peers (not by amoeba, no. peers.)
asciilifeform: but not, usually, by self
mike_c: Adlai: my point wasn't that we're a bunch of geniuses, more that there are better venues to learn something in depth like what is a sybil attack.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'distinguish 'fail-safe' and 'fail-deadly' mechanisms. give a common example of each.'
hanbot: doubtful, mike_c
hanbot: maybe idempotence etc.
mike_c: I'm sticking by it. Once you know what a sybil attack is, this is a good venue to learn why what you know isn't quite right.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'describe what is steganography, and name a successful and a catastrophic instance of its use'
mike_c: but I don't think there's a ton of patience in here for teaching 101 courses.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i dare say that the concept of idempotence is key re: bitcoin
mike_c: of course, i'm wrong at least 50% of the time. anyhoo, I like the list :)
hanbot: key yes. but well known already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'what information is conveyed by a cryptographic signature ?'
mats: ;;ticker --market all
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mats: woo
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mats: and it was only $246 that day
pete_dushenski: << "At state-owned companies, workers say fewer shifts means their monthly pay has fallen from up to 5,000 yuan ($780) two years ago to more like 2,000 now."
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 19:39:24; mircea_popescu: ;;google average salary in china
assbot: China’s ghost towns point to nation’s waning fortunes - The Washington Post ... ( )
pete_dushenski: and i'm off. cheers
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You're the car guy. Any thoughs on compact pickup trucks with crazy lift kits?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there.
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 01:18:04; mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
asciilifeform buying coinz for 1st time since '12
mircea_popescu: i do not believe scamming is economic activity.
mircea_popescu: and i think sybil covers mitm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's rather like saying that locust is not an agriculturally-relevant organism, no ?
mircea_popescu: * Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer" << for srs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sybil and mitm are entirely orthogonal concepts
mircea_popescu: there's been more than one case of people who'd have been much better served through tutoring than trying to drink from the river here.
mircea_popescu: one at a time.
asciilifeform: (the purpose of a sybil is not necessarily to deceive the victim into transacting with a known party through it)
mircea_popescu: 1. locust. i did not say irrelevant, i said locust is not part of agriculture. it isn't.
mircea_popescu: 2. sybil. the purpose is irrelevant. all mitm is a degenberate case of sybil.
mircea_popescu: Adlai : i am an expert in the english language.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there. << belongs in Biology
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and im passing on the next 2, they're nice but more in a "basic guide to being a gentleman scholar in 2015"
mircea_popescu: mike_c honestly i suspek your intuition is certainly correct. more money to be made teaching this than 90% of the stuff taught online. "be a better you" or w/e.
Adlai has found an expert... retires to the UNObtainium mines
asciilifeform: i'm not certain the target clientele ~have~ any money..?
Adlai: buying bitcoin is much easier than using it
mircea_popescu: students are bums ever since they were invented.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also how are the catfish in Río de la Plata? Probably ought to check that out before leaving hardware B-A
mircea_popescu: catfish is shockingly not much eaten here.
mircea_popescu: but the frogs were passible.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen!
asciilifeform: (see thread)
mircea_popescu: i can eat cat as is
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> catfish is shockingly not much eaten here. << If they are too big to eat (i.e. Mississippi river) still ought to be fished for the challenge.
mircea_popescu: tho i don't usually bite.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen! << I've heard rumours that the groundhog crop has been excellent this year
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my back yard, even, is swarming with'em
BingoBoingo: very clean animals
asciilifeform: tried it ?
mircea_popescu: also hanbot has it : idempotence IS fundamental to bitcoin. but unlike shit like sybil attack, or pgp, which were scarcely used or thought about before we came around,
mircea_popescu: it was rigurously defined and understood long ago, and we're not adding anything
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> tried it ? << Kinda like a fattier gamier rabbit.
mircea_popescu: i thought all southern dishes that are fried are fried in groundhog fat.
BingoBoingo: Nah, normally just hog fat.
BingoBoingo: Marmota monax, the whistle pig is the animal of the moment
mircea_popescu: << me grins with three rows of shark teeth, like he used to
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a'+'c' - 'what facts can or cannot be mathematically proven about a computer program? and when?'
mircea_popescu: long long ago, in a univerde far far away
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is something there i think but not usable as is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has to be touched, somehow. because the notion is doomed to come into play
BingoBoingo: stability and a question for it probably also belong in biology
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, is there an academiwank dedicated to programs that prove properties of themselves ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: specifically prove ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ask the 'coq' folks
mircea_popescu: not specifically
asciilifeform: there is a long student tradition of writing 'quines', programs which display themselves.
BingoBoingo: Incidently the whistle pig is the only animal model available for studying the Hepatitis B virus other than chimpanzees
mircea_popescu: i think ironically the "basic bitcoin" exercise has illustrated we're not yet in a theoretically-complete position. damned close but not there.
mircea_popescu: two extant problems being alf's provability and my economics/scam thing.
mircea_popescu: there's possibly a third item too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of this reminds me of a secret pleasure of mine - reading 'electrician' scientific publications from the era of heaviside
asciilifeform: (at the time, 'electrician' meant roughly what 'solid state physicist' means today, but minus the derpatronic aspect)
asciilifeform: at any rate, the matter prior to heaviside nailing down maxwell's eqs to their modern form (maxwell had 20 eqs in that many unknowns!),
asciilifeform: reads quite like this.
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mircea_popescu: i think anyone with a serious interest in human thought has a corner they use just in that manner you describe.
mircea_popescu: "comfortable cultural anthropology"
asciilifeform: what's mircea_popescu's corner? economitronics of the 1880s ?
mircea_popescu: orwell for that matter displays it plainly, which is among the few facts pleading in favour of his intelligence.
mircea_popescu: ah, i'm disorganised. from literary criticism to actual agriculture
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there seems no possible question that the nakamoto paper is a (tenuous) footbridge rather than any sort of wall.
mircea_popescu: that there's so precious little intellectual effort dedicated to the topic is prolly the saddest manifest of a dead culture.
asciilifeform: we are perhaps at the level of ampere and faraday, analogously, but nowhere near maxwell.
mircea_popescu: except at the time everyone was a scientist in their garage
mircea_popescu: IN THEOIR GARAGE
mircea_popescu: now it's like the fucking women took over, everyone's in the "mommy community".
mircea_popescu: they exchange pictures and isn't it adorable what did the mean people say blablabla.
asciilifeform: they had this!
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm just bitter. but srsly...
asciilifeform: i was recently enjoying an anthology of the collected personal correspondence of n. tesla
asciilifeform: it was as 'mean girlz' as anything from tardstalk-mpoe-era
asciilifeform: he did not often stoop to answering the tards, but sometimes could not avoid.
mircea_popescu: care to put some selections on your blog ?
asciilifeform: it is tempting.
asciilifeform has a good deal of material like this, but in nothing like publishable form because ars longa...
asciilifeform: the arse is long.
mircea_popescu: you need a secretary.
mircea_popescu: a well trained woman to whom you can say "do so and so" and she can and does.
asciilifeform: i could also use a dirigible
mircea_popescu: (which is why people fuck their secretaries. you really can't be any good unless intimately acquainted)
assbot: Logged on 27-05-2015 18:05:40; ascii_field: i keep pet. other people, if they like, can keep livestock
asciilifeform: that way folks wouldn't perforate bumper in the night
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mircea_popescu: "I was the middle child of three, but there was a gap of five years on either side, and I barely saw my father before I was eight. For this and other reasons I was somewhat lonely, and I soon developed disagreeable mannerisms which made me unpopular throughout my schooldays. I had the lonely child's habit of making up stories and holding conversations with imaginary persons, and I think from the very start my literary
mircea_popescu: ambitions were mixed up with the feeling of being isolated and undervalued."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they say knowing what's needed is half the battle!
asciilifeform: 'spreading works! even if eating doesn't yet!'
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asciilifeform: 'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.'
asciilifeform: (from same)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'It is forbidden to dream again; / We maim our joys or hide them: / Horses are made of chromium steel / And little fat men shall ride them.' << Oh he was writing about Today's luxury mega trucks that could tow 12,000 pounds but instead ferry 400 pounder to their daily McBeetus run
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty sure he was speaking of his 'beetle men'
trinque: The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. << from the essay; Orwell seemed to have a deep love of the beoble. If only all these selfish elites would get out of the way, the selflessness of the common man would shine through.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 03:57:29; asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - e
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe when he was writing, but this problem like many other prophetic Orwell things materialized in another form. Like a shannonizer from hell that takes Orwell's words and spews an output into USian reality.
trinque: This sort of hipsterism is native to Portland. If someone's rich, they're the self-deprecating kind of rich that winks at the camera while decrying the evils of money
BingoBoingo: It is impossible to buy new small trucks in the United States because they simply aren't sold anymore. Sure you can buy used, but the used ones are only being sold because the previous owners either wrung all the life they could out of them or they are stupid.
trinque: BingoBoingo: wassamatta? you don't want a Mega-King-Ranch 350?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em
BingoBoingo: trinque: No. I want an S-10 or Dakota with a wicked lift kit.
asciilifeform: (this is not coincidence, but rather how long it takes the typical schmuck to pay off the credit for the thing)
mircea_popescu: << i dunno if anyone actually gives a shit, but for those curious to see how the huddling-in-the-dark half lives...
assbot: gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit RSA key, ID 0FBEF185, created 2012-04-25 "Pe - ... ( )
trinque: BingoBoingo: can't fault you that
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: many things are not sold now. e.g., passenger cars with more than 5 or so years of life in'em << There are ways to squeeze more life out of them, but the horrors plasticar (model year 2003) has been through...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dafuq's that
BingoBoingo: trinque: Harder than finding money that wouldn't be better spent elsewhere is finding a suitable vehicle to start from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform derpage.
asciilifeform: i can see ~that~
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarDanneskjol
asciilifeform: 'Why not go ahead and say it? You know that Mike and similar will counter-argue that mining needs to be done by "responsible" central authority figures running pools, so let them make that bogus argument...'
asciilifeform: 'aka "[jpeg image of size 5220]"' << i always l0lld from this misfeature
asciilifeform: who the fuq thought this belonged in a pgptron ?!
mircea_popescu: you can tell by all the breadcrumbs the use of pgp is so insecure it's outright spurious.
asciilifeform: i assumed that this was lifted off todd's hdd or the like
asciilifeform: where he perhaps gpg --decrypt ..... ... >> massive_turd.txt
mircea_popescu: think, how would massive_turd exist ?
asciilifeform: from the operator's laziness ?
asciilifeform: some folks have poor memory, and keep plaintexts lyin' around ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's fascinating what preoccupies people at any given juncture.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> think, how would massive_turd exist ? << shared with unreasonably personally WoTed person
assbot: Twitter Forbids Monitoring Politician's Deleted Tweets | Qntra ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "imagine how nervewracking it were if you had to stick behind what you say! as a politician no less!"
mircea_popescu: "people like mp who don't have to retract shit on a daily - or even decade-ally - basis would be at an unfair advantage!11"
assbot: Search results for 'john googlemail dillon892 com' ... ( )
asciilifeform: aaaaand...
mircea_popescu: none of the names mentioned belong to anyone of any consequence, in bitcoin or in their immediate communities.
asciilifeform: 0FBEF185 does not appear to match any publicly-known pubkeys for >>>>>
assbot: Search results for 'petertodd pete org' ... ( )
asciilifeform: what gives
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mircea_popescu: anyway. they sorta-read ba, mostly indirectly, and pretend like they're their own item. which is... you know, most people out there anyway.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Anyways compact pickup over KING MEGA RANCH 6500 because what if one needs to go to Mexico cheaply?
asciilifeform: dafuq is grabhive ?
asciilifeform: domain is defunct
assbot: Hive (@hivewallet) | Twitter ... ( )
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah, I've got no love for those giant ones aside from their utility re: actual work
trinque: say you're hauling a literal shitload of horses, great
assbot: Clujeanca Bianca Răzor s-a calificat în semifinalele Campionatului Mondial de atletism la proba de 400 m ... ( )
BingoBoingo: trinque: ANd for that purpose, gotta keep the cabin utilitarian so the help doesn't get temped to burn gas dicking around.
asciilifeform just had mindfuck moment, read the title of that piece without realizing what language it was in
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ?
hanbot: in latest ml adventure, rotor-test2 for i686 makes a static bitcoind that gives sigill w/ LC_ALL=C (and won't run w/o it):
assbot: dpaste: 0J6HXAH ... ( )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ahahaha. broke fat louse has rulesets ? << They have the strictest rulesets sinc ethey aren't getting fucked outside of an accident. They pretend scarcity of opportunities is standards.
mircea_popescu: oh right.
mircea_popescu: i wonder who the fuck ever looked at her and thought "hey, i want her"
mircea_popescu: << for the record, this is the ass of romania's EX president's ex private secretary woman. pretty competent politician too.
mircea_popescu: she's like 50
BingoBoingo: I really want to bring the filipinos USG pays for to USia to scrap the place collecting lipodiesel and biodiesel in the Iowan uranium mines.
asciilifeform: hanbot: plz build unstripped and post gdb trace ??
asciilifeform: hanbot: or at least lemme have the binary
asciilifeform: (unstripped)
asciilifeform: stripped bin is gonna look like that paste, buncha ????s
asciilifeform: hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked !
asciilifeform: this is betrayed by 'Illegal instruction.'
trinque hazards a guess it might've been db
asciilifeform: (i presume hanbot is actually testing on a machine running in 32-bit mode)
asciilifeform: trinque: a long-mode-only opcode got shuffled in, almost dead certain
trinque: makes sense
asciilifeform: gcc linker is dumb as a brick, but we knew this.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> hanbot: dollars to doughnuts you built a x86-64 component and it somehow got linked ! << ah thanks. rather than cutting up binaries/recompiling with symbols i'm going to look at this, seems the more likely explanation.
asciilifeform: hanbot: you can examine your .o files with objdump
asciilifeform: hanbot: but i also gotta ask, why are you building a x86-32 bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: i mean, i can see arm-32 (pogo et al) or mips-32
asciilifeform: but x86?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: no especially heavy reason why not
asciilifeform: it's a curious first choice, that's all.
mircea_popescu: seems "nobody else did it" is a huge reason to.
hanbot: well, machine/os i've got for testing is what i've got for testing. why not, indeed.
asciilifeform ought to visit the place where he has a vintage sgi octane-II rusting away, and port to that
asciilifeform: 'FWIW adding SSL to the protocol is a fairly relatively non-invasive change. It might be worthwhile to implement that first as a means to test the developers you wish to hire to later implement partial mode.' << l0l!!
BingoBoingo: Do you have a free shiva hand for that?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sadly no
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I feel you there, my dosimeter has been peaked for a while
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asciilifeform: 'Just so you know this stuff about Tor has me worried... Please don't make this public, but my day job involves intelligence, and I'm in a relatively high position. You know, I went into the job years ago with very different thoughts about it than I do now. The last, well, decade really has changed a lot of minds in this field, in totally different ways. Myself I am on the side of Snowden and Assange, but... lets just say when
asciilifeform: you have a family your willingness to be a martyr diminishes. The same is true of many of my colleagues. Hopefully my support for Bitcoin can help undo some of the damage we've done, but I do have to be careful and it's tough to take all the precautions I need to to be able to communicate. If it was found out that I was involved with Bitcoin that way I have been, let's just say there would be consequences...'
mircea_popescu: herpderp.
mircea_popescu: the blonde without a piece of paper saying breathe and the usian without his cockhead in his own mouth would just fall over and die.
hanbot: ldd bitcoin/src/bitcoind: /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ cannot execute binary file , ftr.
asciilifeform: 'We are unable to explain the true nature of these patches in public because they guard against absolutely terrible DoS exploits that can take down ANY Bitcoin node. So instead we called it, "Minor efficiency improvement in block peer request handling." which is somewhat true of the patch.'
mats: asciilifeform: I find this unbelievable
asciilifeform: mats: which? the gcc linker happily munching soup ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: there we go.
mircea_popescu: the linker wouldn't really have a way to know.
asciilifeform: actually linker oughtta know, the elf is marked
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asciilifeform: but it is an old-fashioned tool, does not check that barrel is not pointed at your temple before whacking the firing pin.
mats: no, this 'dun tell anyone, but am intel worker and support snowden and afraid of consequences of bitcoin involvement' smells
trinque: the action movie phrasing of "let's just say..." overloads my bullshit-meter
asciilifeform: mats: a shill may well say it, to gain sympathy
asciilifeform: doesn't have to be true, ya know
mats: guess so
asciilifeform: doubleagent sop
asciilifeform: 'my boss is so mean'
assbot: 8 failing bitcoin businesses desperately demand computer code increase their stagnant userbase. : Buttcoin ... ( )
mircea_popescu mildly regrets having linked the turd sample.
mircea_popescu: is the timewaste at least enjoyable ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: surely
mircea_popescu: aok then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and if you got any more of these, they are prolly likewise enjoyable.
mircea_popescu: you know you gotta work sometime!
asciilifeform: but i don't expect to find the launch codes in there, no.
asciilifeform: 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 00000000' << win
mircea_popescu: breadcrumbs.
asciilifeform: shitcrumbs
mircea_popescu: to the true rabbit, shit is bread.
asciilifeform: mega-cacotroph
hanbot: asciilifeform so how do i tell linker not to link said item? or do i, even?
asciilifeform: hanbot: problem is that something got built for x86-64 instead of x86
asciilifeform: chances are, it was boost
asciilifeform: which has machine arch explicitly specified in
asciilifeform: but could also be openssl, ditto
asciilifeform: hanbot: plz post your
deedbot-: [Qntra] Concerns for the Toomim Brothers Mining -
hanbot: (in which ./Configure --prefix=$OURLIBS no-dso no-shared threads linux-x86_64 && make && make install_sw; , heh)
assbot: dpaste: 0W7W8YJ ... ( )
asciilifeform: hanbot: fix it then.
hanbot: mhm.
asciilifeform: hanbot: linux-x86
hanbot puts a quarter in the dint'd raed jar
gernika: thestringpuller: "However it does rise the humidity of the surrounding air" - should be "raise" -
assbot: Concerns for the Toomim Brothers Mining | Qntra ... ( )
BingoBoingo: gernika: fxd
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