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(trilema) diana_coman: we had somewhere this sort of game "spot&count the lenins in the town" lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: and all the lenins are probably still there, where I saw them in 2010 for that matter aka http://ossasepia.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lenin-copy.jpg
(trilema) diana_coman: in lol-from-1990: "although cost-conscious buyers may scoff at color monitors, we believe that anything that encourages people to use computers is important!" (Foley et al, ref graphics book)
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, why not Odessa?
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect the trouble really is that by that time I was already used to a mixture of estonian+belarus+russian+lithuanian home-cuisine that I can't pick it apart what is exactly from where
(trilema) diana_coman: for the past 3 minutes or so I tried to remember ANY food I had in belarus; can't remember anything; either it was too close to one-of-the-homes or I have no idea why it's such a black hole this one.
(trilema) diana_coman: congrats BingoBoingo !
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key Gorwrath
(trilema) diana_coman: over longer term there is for sure some adapting to different temperatures going on as now I'd struggle even at 30 quite quickly and certainly much more than I used to do ages ago.
(trilema) diana_coman: that being said, vilnius can be scorching in summer, ugh
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-02#1921353 - hmmmm, heatwave must be the name they give to good weather in England, lol. It's been perfectly sunny, blue skies, 20-22 degrees around here!
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: if it helps pizarro in the slightest, feel free to list my blog, sure
(trilema) diana_coman: about "learning a skill"; I've read recently Benjamin Franklin's own auto-biography and that's how he put it everywhere.
(trilema) diana_coman: you know, they used to say "he was bred to painting/butchering/whatever"
(trilema) diana_coman: certainly; I've put it in the log more to make it clear that it's just one example, not some "has to be this way"
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, precisely.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-01#1921246 - btw, meant to say, whether my-fault or whatever, "a house always full" will see me running for the hills.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I guess he may have his own computer when he builds one himself, too
(trilema) diana_coman: it's a shame the child is only 6 as otherwise he's anyway coming home straight to check that I didn't "do anything with the computer parts" while he was away; and I have yet to see any of his play-mates that want to leave our house when time is up, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose I'm fighting more my own fear of "wrong" pick than anything; one thing that good memory does at least is that it keeps there for ever ALL the lessons learnt and changes/improvements made too so yes, can change further.
(trilema) diana_coman: that's certainly something I need to work more on, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: can still be (I've repeatedly and from-experience cut down on it but possibly still more to cut; it certainly DOES work wonderfully when I'm truly pissed off, yes.)
(trilema) diana_coman: they move away; but it's quite possible that it's not because of the "no, not mobile" - that's just the convenient excuse and those same would have found another otherwise
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, hm; THAT might fit very well indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: partially there is this obsession with "gotta be a mobile app"; and while sure, one could make a eulora client for mobile if they care for, first of all I DON'T CARE FOR THAT and second ffs, I'm not going to load into my head apple's shit now
(trilema) diana_coman: that's precisely the thing: I went to local uni to offer them "come and practice"; result nil; but again and as above: this part needs to come to focus and then (only then) it will work. (I know I made it work before, it's not that I can't or something)
(trilema) diana_coman: filtering is not relaxed, no; fwiw I DO already have some hours when yes, teaching young people maths mainly; but that's not translating at all so far into having anyone do work for eulora
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: those that made it at least in here for some talk are fully visible, see the mp3 guy as most recent but as I said, so far I was 99% on "get eulora finally going" ; this clearly has to change because otherwise by the time it's good to go, there's nobody left or something.
(trilema) diana_coman: will have to, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: I did / do on occasion but it seems to me it needs to be way more focused thing than just this leisurely "on occasion"
(trilema) diana_coman: I want that too and therefore I'm pondering here if I'm not focusing too much on all the tech parts that eulora needs sorted (and the pile just seems to grow) instead of specifically carving out some time for proper outreach of the filtering kind to build up helpers if I can't find them
(trilema) diana_coman: on the positive side, europe has a long history of failing in one place and then sprouting up again in another place; sort of used to failure and recovery
(trilema) diana_coman: well, there were schools in the uk where "children are ash-grey and can't think of anything other than food, what learning" - that is closer to hunger; but ofc there is no cause to be addressed there, only rights to be asked for
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, I don't expect it's perceived by degrees, no; for as long as it can be not-perceived (i.e. no direct hunger, long hunger sort of thing), it won't be perceived, no.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, giggles make perfect sense; that's what kid does when confronted with never-heard-of stuff that is however not entirely (though closely) incomprehensible
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O you can't order things not on the menu??
(trilema) diana_coman: esp the no-cash part is really hard *not* to notice since every goddamned shopkeeper/waiter/whatever forever shoves that machine in but poverty is effectively built on purposeful "short-term memory" anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, there is no possible competition no, the infinite points and all that (and in this case just moving on to next idiocy that pays well); at most attrition I had in mind
(trilema) diana_coman: idiocy pays apparently way too well atm for anyone to want to drop it
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, did qntra ever try specifically to get new writers (and I do mean from outside #trilema really)? or was the idea that some will emerge out of the readers? for that matter I have no idea if/how much is qntra read outside here.
(trilema) diana_coman: not that I know of/aware of so it seems you are right and it *should* work in here too
(trilema) diana_coman: I think it's the auction bot here only
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: lobbesbot is in #eulora
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920872 -> what is for asciilifeform "work with mircea_popescu " ?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's not an answer to my question, is it; there is that direct contradiction there, right? it can't just be waived because whatever and it precisely points at the fact that the problem is not about "sacking asciilifeform" really.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: you tell me how can you draw "this inference" given http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-statement-on-q2-2019/#selection-427.119-427.240 that specifically and directly contradicts it?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920899 -> you just did it right here; tell me where exactly did I "suspect" such a thing; and see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920874 .
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: when *you are the reader*!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no; and communication is both-ways, includes reading what others say not what the reader thinks.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: no; get through that it's about communication not about amount of work put in.
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm keeping silent because I'm at a loss as to how to get through to asciilifeform
(trilema) diana_coman read the article where it specifically says asciilifeform NOT sacked, nor to be sacked because that's nonsense given NSA's main purpose.
(trilema) diana_coman: where "one of us" is really "us", there is no such thing as "one"
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. right/wrong is all about whether it's "one of us" or not, nothing to do with anything else.
(trilema) diana_coman: what can I say, to me it reads over-and-over again like all the group-thinking ever did: if we do it, it's all right because we are ALL doing it, if s/he does it, it is wrong because it's outside the group
(trilema) diana_coman: "not the right sort of scammers111!"
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose it makes sense as moving on from pretending to learn to pretending to do /serve as there's nothing else apparently.
(trilema) diana_coman doesn't even know wtf quadriga was/is
(trilema) diana_coman: more local admin by the sounds of it
(trilema) diana_coman: at least there was no queue there - at filling in complaints :D
(trilema) diana_coman: and a poisonous frog, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: can't age cheese, can't make wild yeast, wtf
(trilema) diana_coman: huh, I had no idea ; I assumed you could get the yeast, hm.
(trilema) diana_coman: so fly a cook too!
(trilema) diana_coman: I was quite surprised at that thing - wtf fly bread from italy all the way to cr; I mean: why wouldn't they be able to bake it on the spot and even better at that? it must be easier to fly the grains/flour if anything but other than that ffs it's just flour and water; can even fly water if needed
(trilema) diana_coman: food is a matter of habit too, though; that story with the burnt-food-best-food, what.
(trilema) diana_coman bought precisely italian and/or french bread from the shop in cr so can attest - it was fine.
(trilema) diana_coman: fish, reindeer/moose and maybe mushrooms at times or what else (this was my Finland experience)
(trilema) diana_coman: well, for one thing london benefits from having all sorts of non-english food so it's not that hard to eat good food; for the other, up there in the north there seems to be precious little edible
(trilema) diana_coman: o dracie, o h'ala h'aia
(trilema) diana_coman: ahahaha "sewaie" might be the term, could work
(trilema) diana_coman: "finally a queue so someone is in charge!!" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: by contrast, airport-people seem quite happy to be there, no idea how
(trilema) diana_coman: that's pretty much what it instantly made me think of: those bread-queues running around 3 blocks of flats up and down the whole neighbourhood; except I was miserable then even playing while waiting in the queue and I doubt any of those in there was NOT miserable
(trilema) diana_coman: that picture of the airport cab-queue is quite something
(trilema) diana_coman: went to Spain?
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, sadly I have seen that before over and over again
(trilema) diana_coman: probably I should even feel old, huh.
(trilema) diana_coman: I must say that I got totally fed up precisely with "software engineering" some 10 years ago and I doubt it got anything other than worse meanwhile so no surprise there
(trilema) diana_coman: trilema.com has this whole category "3 years of experience"
(trilema) diana_coman: but ofc, they write what they think HR wants to read, what
(trilema) diana_coman: and if it's 2 they are senior?
(trilema) diana_coman: huh, any actual people that might even get to register a key , hang out in your castle and help you with some work? :D
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1: anyway, that thread above does have some pointers to what/how we found re sjlj on arm so maybe worth looking at it anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919888 -> this is usually precisely my experience too when sorting out some mess.
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1: found it but I think it was just precisely how we realised that it's broken on arm http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897027
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1: I remember I got something like that, should be in the logs.
(trilema) diana_coman: in snake-pit "surprises" since I still have a github account, I just received a notification that a "first-party GitHub" application was recently authorized to access your account; I suppose it's nice of them to notify.
(trilema) diana_coman: I suspect it's still xml-effect because "oh noez, needs name of object in xml not id"
(trilema) diana_coman: meanwhile I'm trying to disentangle here the cs/ps mess and I'm scratching my head at various bits: the CS engine works everywhere with names (strings) as ids (i.e. there are FindX functions only with string param, not with some numeric id despite the fact that internally it DOES HAVE them ffs) BUT then in some places it keeps various hashmaps with numeric ids for "common strings"
(trilema) diana_coman: I have to admit I have a hard time doing argentina ~= norway mainly because of the whole south/north thing; that being said, from socialist pov sure, can very well be indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: i.e. not at airport I gather
(trilema) diana_coman: ahaha, are those exchange offices in town ?
(trilema) diana_coman: some will queue for anything; and anyways, not sure if "piling for cabs" is much better otherwise (e.g. Rome) though indeed I can't quite see why would there be such a lack of cabs in Oslo
(trilema) diana_coman: at least it seems to have working internet unlike cluj...
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: lolz, what does Norway/Oslo offer so much worse than all the rest?
(trilema) diana_coman: so far other parts took priority (smg comms and client) but at least my understanding was that there is work being done further on cuntoo, I had no idea that it was stuck waiting on more intensive use or something
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919625 - s.mg test is running proto-cuntoo (non-musltronic) so not latest, no; there was this http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875228 and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901069 ; as long as there is the CS dependency still on server, a move to static & musltronic only is also likely to be a lot of work.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm; to make it clear what I mean re loading-in-head - arguably if I had fully loaded-in-head the scripts, I should have found http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901339 myself, right?
(trilema) diana_coman: I rather saw it as "can't do this alone, need help but won't ask because it should come naturally"
(trilema) diana_coman: in which case yes, what specific ask
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, there seems to be something out of sync in there; perhaps you are right and the problem is one of wrongly-attached self-worth though I did not see it that way
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, I don't know if it's re self-worth; rather interpreting the "not fully load-in-head" as "not read"
(trilema) diana_coman: what I don't understand is why not ask specifically if one would like detailed feedback on some bit/part they struggle with
(trilema) diana_coman: re reading of stuff I guess there is also the difference between one reading and full load-in-the-head; it struck me that people would want others to do more load-in-the-head of what they produce so as to get finer-detail feedback
(trilema) diana_coman: I expect exactly that, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw re gprbuild and legacy c/cpp-ism: cal3d lib builds with gprbuild absolutely fine; CS however not at all and it's not a trivial thing to port it either as far as I could tell at a quick look.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I can add from experience that no amount of making sure is actually...making sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I did and I even found it easier than previous material though I'm not sure why;
(trilema) diana_coman: danielpbarron: wouldn't it be more useful to run some irc servers of your own?
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm not sure the 2 groups are any different really
(trilema) diana_coman: pretty much when they ask for flex, bison follows
(trilema) diana_coman: shipping broken + "install flex" "oh, but ALSO bison ofc"
(trilema) diana_coman: it's quite typical though
(trilema) diana_coman: neah, meant bison! lol
(trilema) diana_coman: go hunt a bison1
(trilema) diana_coman: "feel like voting on something else?" lmao
(trilema) diana_coman: wtf is that, voting "who do you think bestest philosopher" or what?
(trilema) diana_coman: the church of Bingo Boingo doesn't even sound bad at all
(trilema) diana_coman: pretty much like that; better than cpp
(trilema) diana_coman: that much is true and partially why the old houses are "better" - because at least less mchouse in principle, at least along the lines that it's anyway picked as "the best of old houses since the worst are anyway not even standing anymore"
(trilema) diana_coman: from at least one perspective, it's hard to argue why would one ever actually *want* to leave in someone else's house - assuming that it was indeed built to fit the original owner's specific idiosynchrasies rather than to fit the times, the neighbours, the architect or whatever else
(trilema) diana_coman: well, look we got ps "for free" and it's not even THAT old!
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't think I actually know of ANY orchard as I'd want it in whole Romania, myeah.
(trilema) diana_coman: renovated old buildings so I'd assume they actually have that sort of thing but admittedly I haven't actually visited any of those myself (and fwiw afaik wineyards or woods rather than orchards)
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what, no proper old buildings with basement and acres of land ? conace, cule
(trilema) diana_coman: how was it, "vin ai nostri, pleac-ai nostri, noi ramanem tot ca prostii"
(trilema) diana_coman: lolz, except the dentist part the rest sounds quite familiar re ro, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, sounds like a very nice vacation indeed
(trilema) diana_coman: (my current going through huge lists of oh, add x textures and then for each of them y shaders and z lights etc doesn't make me think any higher of the paint-the-wood approach either)
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I must say that it's precisely this "let's paint the fence" approach that put me off computer graphics in the first place because my uni taught nothing else and I foolishly believed them that there was nothing better either.
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, except I'm no graphics expert (and the pile of burnt is already big)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-14#1918191 -> the q being ofc if the existing "abtractions" really help much or just make it even harder; a sort of C/CPP thing rather than Ada thing.
(trilema) diana_coman: heh; #eulora-spills
(trilema) diana_coman: from the paper so apparently yes, on ecc too
(trilema) diana_coman: nature of the ECC correction algorithm typically exposes such
(trilema) diana_coman: that require error correction are measurably slower than normal
(trilema) diana_coman: information through a timing channel, where memory accesses
(trilema) diana_coman: Unfortunately, as Cojocar et al. [13] show, the synchronous
(trilema) diana_coman: can't beat it for that part really :P
(trilema) diana_coman: me is basically playing planeshift : torment
(trilema) diana_coman: what can I say; fwiw on one hand entrance exam at my uni was already getting seriously watered down and onth in 500 students/ year (minimum), I have former colleagues that are happily microshitting now as they were then
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, what royalty to speak of, lol; any exam-admission is already a form of "not for everyone"
(trilema) diana_coman: my observation re numbers is that it's not as much whether reich or not but simply whether "public education" as in "for everyone" or not; because if profs are recruited based on need, there will just never be enough really; and the wider the base aka the greater the need, the more chickenhouse, inevitably
(trilema) diana_coman: that makes sense once it's a chickenhouse already, yes; supposedly it's not /was not, to start with.
(trilema) diana_coman: well, how would anyone find as many exceptions as needed to fill all the unis basically (not to mention all schools!)
(trilema) diana_coman: I don't even recall exactly but basically took their spec too seriously
(trilema) diana_coman: well, the 18yo me at programming exam-to-get-qualification-diploma got told directly (out of prof's sheer exasperation I suppose): "next time, don't think that much!"
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, kind of all learning is about "how to fit in"; the difference is "in what"
(trilema) diana_coman will be back tomorrow
(trilema) diana_coman: btw asciilifeform ch14 and esp the 14Abis (the bounds proof for barrett's reduction) were a pleasure to read.
(trilema) diana_coman: just for any log readers around: this is not yet the 3d lib at all; it's JUST the planeshift client really, still.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: bundled (excavation + replacement + change of quite fundamental stuff) so possibly yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: funnily enough (though quite usual in my xp) precisely after I complained re the left/right confusion, I had now the pleasant surprise to find out that meanwhile my brain sorted it really; I suspect it was more that initially I did not realise that there was a mismatch rather than the actual changing of convention; getting back to it was fine.
(trilema) diana_coman: it's much more sanely structured so one CAN actually understand it, you know; that's the main thing; not to mention it's ...worth getting it into one's head to start with; anyway, unless I end up writing a blogpost on "why size is really not all re code", it's probably enough to say it's saner really.
(trilema) diana_coman: "a break" as in taking a break (from the mess)
(trilema) diana_coman: on the bright side, ffa is such a contrast to euloran client to make digesting FFA a break in itself
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: my test was with bits directly read from fg, not buffered (if it wasn't clear); also fwiw further timings and tests are still on my list - it's just that my hands are/have been rather overflowing with eulora
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, I ...would have failed it even at ~12; but I see what you mean, provided that respondent actually gives /is aware of real answer.
(trilema) diana_coman: heh; common sense!
(trilema) diana_coman: 'dat solution is tried and tested, yes? lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: most game's economies as far I know are a sort of "feeling like an X economy" really
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, sitting while flapping about as to how not-sitting
(trilema) diana_coman: and by "breaks" there I meant more like fundamentally break as in ...it's not really designed well; (because why design esp for "so that it can break and be repaired")
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, they wanted to make some money not to have to fix things!
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I suspect the game will ...break if one plays it seriously; like most anything "done"
(trilema) diana_coman: lol! oglaf-style game doesn't even sound bad
(trilema) diana_coman: the funniest part sounds there the fact that from the other side therefore it's like...living with pothead? lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: note the dissonance in your approach - if you want reputation here, you need to do stuff that is useful here (there's a long list of such stuff that needs doing, pick, start on it and document as you go/ask politely and intelligently for help when you need it); onth if you want "reputation" for landing a programming job irl, dropping links here won't help (I doubt the Edgecase thing will help either but that's entirely up to
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917031 - the colo option sounds good to me as it's essentially a long-term use.
(trilema) diana_coman: there is the fiddly part with sjlj vs zcx but that in itself doesn't justify 2 machines, no.
(trilema) diana_coman: indeed; I suppose there might be a case for keeping the production server only and then getting the test/cuntoo one only when there is finally what to put on it
(trilema) diana_coman: to answer the q directly: not permanently, I'd hope! But it does seem to be rather long term since atm I have my hands full with SMG Comms on both client+server and otherwise we don't yet have a full Cuntoo setup to deploy and say that's fixed
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917013 -> until we change OS basically; the test one was step towards Cuntoo and that's pretty much the only real reason for having 2 since playing around with the OS on a production server is rather iffy.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: why or how exactly different from all the others who decided that reality doesn't apply to them when it trips over their expectations?
(trilema) diana_coman: I'm not even sure he's not more common than one might think but that's not to say the whole thing is not getting more tiresome than lulzy from my pov.
(trilema) diana_coman: eh, from asciilifeform's snippets the dude's "evaluations" seem to be more mix-and-match premade expectations than actual evaluations; fwiw I met Nicole and I don't see why exactly couldn't she do those reviews she did.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's true, replacing it by parts indeed; not sure it's possible to do much any other way either.
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, yes; cal3d too.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: planeshift is the open source game ; crystal space is the graphics engine aka 3d lib
(trilema) diana_coman: re "repair code" /me looks at planeshift...
(trilema) diana_coman: well, the "progress" from olive oil to sunflower oil to soya oil and so on; quite similar there too, indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916745 - this actually sounds to me remarkably on point, thank you! (and it further explains to me just why I find the wooden tongue SO annoying; because yes, prayer.)
(trilema) diana_coman: what pops out to me from all those "other half" is the ...wooden tongue in there; different wooden perhaps than realizari marete but just as wooden as far as I can tell.
(trilema) diana_coman: out of curiosity I went and checked "requirements" for "no man's sky" (I keep hearing of it, possibly because it's made a few km away from my location): ps2 or windows 7; and the game will take up around 10GB of storage, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: now I'm rather curious if mircea_popescu finds any "other half" re games, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: the way I see it re your approach is that it effectively takes the "prove you are not a robot" route i.e. assumed default is robot, human only if proven rather than the other way around.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I enjoy your non-programming output
(trilema) diana_coman: by now I suspect most code out there is the fungus sort as that's how things "naturally grow"
(trilema) diana_coman now realises this should have been on #eulora
(trilema) diana_coman: why would it do it like that for each and every thing?
(trilema) diana_coman: lolz, given earlier thing, possibly not :P
(trilema) diana_coman: it still seems over the top; it's enough if client has a known list of preferences and asks for them in that order, after all; if it doesn't get that, it goes for next and so on
(trilema) diana_coman: open-ended lists like that are always a mess and doubly so via messages
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh, last time the rough sketch sounded as I said above though, lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: iirc it was specifically not a list of meshes but at most a list of overall graphical profiles as it were; i.e. each thing then at any time has only one option
(trilema) diana_coman: rolling back to the original thing, this is all there is to it: if c/cpp does not actually get to ask for anything then there is no trouble at all, sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: what else does one want in cache really.
(trilema) diana_coman: myeah, "useful" things.
(trilema) diana_coman: (re files and access time I need to look if I can get it, hopefully, via Ada.Directories)
(trilema) diana_coman: but that care is not "use" from earlier but..what?
(trilema) diana_coman: but if it is to ask of anything it doesn't yet have/know, then it should ask for all of them, it can't not care about some of them
(trilema) diana_coman: it cares about the object; this doesn't mean it cares about ALL its properties
(trilema) diana_coman: it asks for the object; the object descriptor includes the properties; on the principle that "what client doesn't yet know, client will investigate further", it should ask for them further,right?
(trilema) diana_coman: I said "server did inform" not didn't, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I'll clearly have to hack my own client at the very least for making it text-only since there's no point in asking for all the graphical parts just because server did inform that those objects have this and that graphical part
(trilema) diana_coman: so it needs now to keep in addition a timestamp on data access?
(trilema) diana_coman: from my pov I'm fine to switch perspective and go then with this approach, so basically there are no "client/cpp demands" anything since Ada-part directly handles it on the principle "if I saw it and it's not there, then I'll ask for it"; how is any limit re space or anything of the sort to be defined and handled in this case?
(trilema) diana_coman: if client doesn't care about mesh , but it asks for it because it saw it, isn't that in advance?
(trilema) diana_coman: client asks what is a? server says it's (name this) (position that) (mesh theother) and so on
(trilema) diana_coman: well yes, but that's the thing, the problem is not solved by asking in advance
(trilema) diana_coman: "wtf do we put in the press ?! " -> the default.
(trilema) diana_coman: (and this thing that "doesn't keep everything" is why I went with the different approach aka ask when needed, not when heard of it)
(trilema) diana_coman: the difference being that client (as previously discussed) anyway does not keep everything so asking when it doesn't need it is not solving that problem
(trilema) diana_coman: how is it imperative?? server says this guy wears the helmet of doom; client says meh, can't be arsed to show helmets; how is it imperative?
(trilema) diana_coman: why exactly though would client ask based on what server says rather than based on what it finds itself actually needing to use?
(trilema) diana_coman: this bit here is the part where we were not in sync
(trilema) diana_coman: finally at least the whole trouble makes sense
(trilema) diana_coman: oook; so then, do you mean that "asks for data" is to be driven by.... what it receives from server rather than attempted use?
(trilema) diana_coman: or you propose that this shouldn't even be
(trilema) diana_coman: is at all clear that there is this separation between the client-part that uses/needs some data on one hand, the one I kept calling "client" or c/cpp and on the other hand the lower layer that is protocol aware and actually "asks what is x"?
(trilema) diana_coman: and here we go again
(trilema) diana_coman: honestly, as a player, I'll then have to hack my own client, lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: let me get this part straight though: how is this "now" decided? every frame whoever has something unknown asks for it? some parameter every x ms ask for everything unknown?
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