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(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: it should be possible to test them before purchase, right?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: How many, exactly?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do continue.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: what, for free?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Alright, time to RescueCD.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: aware intelligence emerges out of a vortex of telescoping intricacy like Excalibur being thrust through the surface by the Lady of the Lake. " -- http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/intel2.htm
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "Consider a transistor whose components are themselves transistors, whose components... Electrical engineers desperately woo the third dimension of circuit integration as they pack increasingly denser forests of linearly ordered planar devices onto increasingly larger chips. Perhaps the third dimension need not be height. Perhaps it is one of form, of complexity, of recursive fractal structure wherefrom mystic self-
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell adlai I was referring to the dataflow paradigm.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads a bad idea?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: As for why a lisper didn't write his own OS from ASM? Well, you've read Stan's blog.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Then, inevitably, the foundations change.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Some 'lisper' who 'gets it' will implement a 'lisp' on top of another system and declare that "for such and such political/business reasons, the system we're basing our lisp on won't change its foundations, and therefore we're safe to write code on top of it"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: non-CL lispers by-and-large, fail to understand why they're using lisp at all.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: After SMBX died CL had to be re-implemented.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: they did. Symbolics.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: have you tried reading the OpenGL spec?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: No such thing.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Heh, define native.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: It seems like what you're getting at is that the correct order of affairs is to tackle zen first, and then CLIM?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: phf: yes, debugging CLIM + zen at the same time is going to suck, but debugging CLIM + xlib sucks, and I have not yet compared the two to find out which is worse.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: phf: "because can still attach c program outputs" + "zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox". We have CLIM irc, a listener (repl), an editor, dired + other. I don't particularly want to run c programs. You'd just end up reinventing CLIM anyways after you notice that "gee, it would be nice to have draggable crossbars in my GUI and geometry".
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "i've been building my own tools to be essentially a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand" << xlib windows that display what exactly? Large GUIs? Renderings of novel structures?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Fantastic at the moment. These logs are a treat.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Spiffy keyboard.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: "no, no dedicated sales people yet. why do you ask?" < Curiosity.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: That said, I've not really poked around the call stack. Could be missing something obvious.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Unfortunately I may need to poke around "under the hood". There are two showstopping bugs in CLIM that crash the connection to the X server, and it is unclear why.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: sciencemadness.org is really cool btw, thanks for the link.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Has anyone played around with Zen, the CL X server, or does anyone have links to OLD X documentation / proggies that would be useful for debugging issues deep(?) in the X server / help me understand wtf the X protocol is? I googled around for X docs and found a mess.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: is the notion of dependency graph useful on *BSD
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: so what exactly is it that you're pleased with?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: and the downsides are..?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up diana_coman
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: do you have dedicated sales people at SJ?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: well, I end up working on other stuff.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: idk. sometimes I wish I'd gotten good with a slide rule instead.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up BingoBoingo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up tripleslash
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: In other idle wonderings, has anyone known a cat (the animal) with a cocaine habit?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The nice thing about the undeveloped east in Ar is that there's plenty of room for concentration camps.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: re, lobito. Kill them all.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Heh. Having the first mirror machine and the prospect of automating the install process within arm's reach is a strong motivation to... job hunt.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: how is the family, work, life?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: hihi
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "understanding."
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "here what comes?"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: adlai: if you think computer graphics are in anyway useful -> CLIM. Else, have fun trying to map the notion of a "presentation" to emacs text (see the magit and org-mode sources).
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: They'll need to "export" the data to .csv, in a button press have an email drafted for them with the attached file using data selected using a slider etc
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: adlai: imagine for a moment that you're writing a program which abstracts over a lab instrument's controls and does a visualization of the information it reads. The requirement is that people who use it will be intelligent, but not necessarily programmers.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I said "parenscript" earlier and meant "paredit". Time for coffee.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !s the translator did not miss them, they were not there
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: twas nifty from what I've heard
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: e.g., interlisp had a structure editor
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: what exactly are you objecting to?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: CLIMACS (ugh, needs a new name) has "structure editing" facilities, but I've not bound them yet.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I used to use parenscript, but cannot speak to smart parens.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Rather than die of hunger, I'd sooner eat a roast!
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: lol, I've put off learning ternary specifically so I don't end as one of those "homeless math people".
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I sunk a lot of time into it (and got it working) only to realize that I don't want to javascript no matter how s-expressiony it is.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: did you ever end up parenscripting it?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: in other masamune news - I'm working on automating the entire build right now.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: phf: which works fine without slowdown etc
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: phf: for that: video.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: how goes the move-in? I saw that you're still living with family?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it has yet to go online
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: phf: sort of related - I put together a new McCLIM website with fancy screenshots
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: whaack: until I've more resources, you'll have to install on top of a Dell Precision M4400, which you can pick up from anywhere between 80 and 120 usd.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: whaack: the masamune respository has not been updated in some time, and many things have changed. I'll be picking up the parts for another machine tomorrow, and will be automating the (currently manual) build process from there.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: howdy.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ty. Anyways, nothing?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Well folks, we're 202 days into MP's sustained attack on Stan's identity, and neither side shows signs of tiring. Meanwhile, the cardano languishes on the sidelines...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell pete_dushenski regarding your most recent contravex photo - WOW - hot out of 10.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: have you done anything really out there, like DMT?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: do tell, please
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: dawwww I'm so curious as to your thoughts on MDMA, cocaine, LSD
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: hence why cl etc etc
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: right, but I'm here to have a good time in spite of that
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: why not program JS for a living
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: why are we here if not to have fun
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: then what the fuck is the point!?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I no longer smoke, but programming while smoking was always nice.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: ah, so nicotine is one of my favorite as well
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and by preference?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: like a responsible adult
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: fine, trinque, what are your top 3 favorite substances to use in moderation, with a trip sitter, etc etc
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: so what /were/ your top 3.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: so yeah, I'm optimizing for something specific.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the problem with being healthy is that I get too turned on by everything.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: so what is your top 3 favorite substances of abuse?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've been healthy before, but it sucks
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: look, there are tradeoffs to be made
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: oh this is nonsense
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: well, that is a fair point, but I don't want to e.g., lose weight.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'll go with "I treat my body like shit, and do pretty well "
(trilema) gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: I don't know.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: what, drinking and sex?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: And this is sort of what I'm getting at - people differ greatly. Modafinil doesn't work for me, some people can't take caffine before bed, some people can't drink and have sex (MP's eugenics article) and some can.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: yeah, but were you excited about it?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: multiple times.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: something akin to that, yes.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (for the record, taking a regular caffine pill before sleep doesn't wok)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: that I should take the broomstick approach?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: how on *earth* am I supposed to read this?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: but all of this is solved when I take a pill - not just a caffine pill - but a coffee extract?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of going to buy $CENSORED and was really excited about it, but ended up sleeping through the allotted time.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and all of this is solved by taking a pill before I go to sleep
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and even with people screaming at me, I still missed things
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: you're missing my point, or I'm not stating it correctly. I've missed things I care deeply about because of sleep
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: people have screamed things of this nature at me when I would miss the little school I went to
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: you'd think that. but I've missed events I *really* wanted to attend because I wouldn't wake
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: how else would you read that?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: I've lived with myself for 23 years, and have at no point been able to wake up sanely. I try it with these caffine pills and et viola! I wake up like a normal human!
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: yeah, I don't know what this "being a man" stuff is about
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: yeah, I'm not really sure how this relates to me.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: could you please tell this story.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: and why would you do this to someone?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: how would this help anything?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: none of it works.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've tried setting alarms, getting enough sleep etc.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I understand the point you're making, but simply don't find that it applies to my situation.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I would lol if it wasn't your uncle.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: with easyup: 20 minutes and I'm chipper
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and the whole process of brushing teeth takes like 1 hour
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: for example, taking the EasyUp before going to sleep
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: look, there are some things that I *know* make my body work better
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I know more than they do.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: actually, with respect to portage / gentoo / funtoo - yeah
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: isn't that what you were implying?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "I am the guy who coded for 40 hrs" < ?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: lol, I'm not doing it for other people
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: wrt coffee or modafinil?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and makes my thoughts disjointed.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it does *nothing* for my sleep cycle
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: they stay awake for 40 ish hours with no issues.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: for example, the modafinil that I've taken works great for other people.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: it seems to me that the other thing missing from this discussion is that we've all very different chemistry.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: "for me that's plenty to get to work" ?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: what, via coffee, or in general?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: oh, and without coffee I get distracted.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it's a horrid slog through boring nonsense, depression, the works.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I don't have ideas that I would consider interesting.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: in part. It's also that I'm just not interested or excited about life without coffee.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: so wait, you don't get more absorbed in whatever you're doing when drinking coffee?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: yeah, but it's more fun when "high".
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (of code or english, take your pick)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and the multiple day reading binges
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: the problem I have with being coffee-free isn't the stress, but rather that I miss having my thoughts race around
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: and have not done hard drugs in years
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: to be clear, I've done this.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've been burnt out on coke and hating life, but never have had this effect.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and it *only* happens with coffee.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm not. It's just... odd.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and is very odd.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it's sort of like a phantom limb effect.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and this goes away completely when I don't drink a lot of coffee
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: same with cars.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: with coffee there are all sorts of weird things: like whenever I have a bike pass me by, I sort of envision it running into me.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: nah, the caffine effect is different.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: like, you're just standing and then the stray thought "hey, it'd be nice to fall into bed, except there isn't a bed her" flies through your mind?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: do you have the effect of almost fainting sometimes?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: you're right. I've not even read the article yet.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: most people wake up at 8am. Me: 4pm
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: This is fucking nonsense. I *cannot* will myself to get up in the morning after 23 years of never having to.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: not really.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I asked someone who was around, he claims that he "couldn't distinguish it from coffee"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: widely used in the war effort.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: benzos != benzadrine
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm rather envious of the 50s. You could get benzedrine otc, and it was widely used by e.g., Norbert Wiener
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mats: I'm curious as to why you're curious as to BB's opinion?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm an addict, what can I say.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I agree with you, but the *amount of work* I get done when caffinated, and the amount of fun I have doing it makes it simply impossible to do otherwise.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I simply don't understand what you're saying.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: pardon?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: or uncaffinated, or whatever you want to call it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: but I dislike being 'sober'.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: furthermore, I have actually quit coffee now, twice.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: you have that option.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: my thoughts get all disjointed, but then again, I've only tried the racemic stuff
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mats: doesn't work for me...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If you do, I'd love to hear them.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Does anyone have some "grey goo pipe dreams" re mechanical program optimization?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (IMHO, I actually need some sort of medication, but have not really looked into it)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I need it to think.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I try to make a point of drinking less, and it works. for a while. then I'm back to a pot or two a day.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the amout of liquid is irritating.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I drink about 2 pots a day without it sometimes.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: useless google
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; google easy up wake up aid - take tonight. wake up easier & alert tomorrow morning amazon
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: apropos of nothing: if anyone here is addicted to coffee, and finds that caffine pills don't cut it, I've found that brand EasyUp works WONDERS.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: how to geometry
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: fixing only the tabs is easy
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (the pixie "look and feel" doesn't work with tabs though)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: pixie or something like that
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, there is one other.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: ah. Well at some point I'll have someone fix it up all nice and minimalist.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: athena?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If I get like 30 views in climacs, that slows
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: not at all
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: the debugger works too!
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: All that CLIM, all that desktop.
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