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asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
asciilifeform: punkman: nope. isn't chess, computer doesn't help.
asciilifeform: every fire is in the head until not, sorta how it works, or bag men would all have empty bags
asciilifeform: i still don't grasp why the ph0rkerz can't simply ask hitler for real machines / actual bandwidth
asciilifeform: 'There are three forms of employee commitment that may apply to commitment to country as well: affective (emotional: ― I feel good when I see the flag), normative (obligation: ― I belong here) and instrumental (no other option: ― I’m here because I have no choice).' << l0ltr0nic
asciilifeform: may as well complain that the monkeys at the zoo play with themselves
asciilifeform: which is, in an important way, still alive.
asciilifeform: another example: official 'tempest' test specs.
asciilifeform: 'implementation of Joseki'
asciilifeform: the correct way to arrange this crippled gossipd affair is as an mpex-like network of proxies
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can pick a cipher or combo of ciphers you can temporarily stomach, we can have an irc box up with pgp auth.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the tiny-os-that-is-oh-so-impressive-until-you-actually-want-to-run-programs is old hat.
asciilifeform: i have the complete works of lysenko on my shelf.
asciilifeform: http://hackaday.com/2015/07/29/review-single-board-65c02-and-65c816-computers << vintage lulz. check out the monkeys in the comments - 'this suxx! not modern!111 not arm!11 no pr0gr3ss!'
asciilifeform has 2 lamps on his dial: 'oh noez, my coinz are worthless' and 'suxx, i'll never afford any moar'
asciilifeform: 'This simple vulnerability is particularly alarming because; 1) it exists within a “security product” that is trusted to secure over a million homes; 2) it enables an attacker to completely own the system (i.e., disable it, change PIN codes, etc.), and; 3) many unsuspecting consumers prominently display window and yards signs promoting their use of this system…essentially self-identifyi
asciilifeform: cazalla_: come visit usascwitz, your pesthole will look great in comparison when you come back...
asciilifeform: even builds own compiler, so long as you can dig up some gcc post-1995 or so that will build the current gcc
asciilifeform: last thing i will say for now on subj is - expect many more 'rowhammer'-like effects as desperate wunderwaffen attempts to resuscitate 'moore's law' explore new depths of fuhrerbunker desperation.
asciilifeform: jurov: these likes are from my recent attempt to locate a modern supplier of antifuse rom of reasonable density
asciilifeform: (the baltics were even more prolific champs)
asciilifeform: as for travellers, when the known world was a cold and empty place, and wolves outnumbered wanderers 9000 to 1, etc. - it was a different thing.
asciilifeform: because he doesn't own a computer.
asciilifeform: but yes, to perelman ~all of computing~ is 'tiny'
asciilifeform: using crapple's would be masochism, plain and simple
asciilifeform: say i replace apple's cpu with samsung's hypothetical pin-compatible one. now what ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'rooting' ipnohe is complicated. not in the sense of 'how to do it', it is braindamagedly easy. BUT you have to run a multi-MB closed turd. which installs ???????.
asciilifeform: copyrasty is pretty simple to understand. all of the money flows into usa. tribute.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2016#1408239 << ru getting up off its knees and spitting out the 1990s cock it swallowed during eltsin, would have happened anyway. simply happened to land on obamitler's desk
asciilifeform: this is not only deliberate but is implicit in the very idea.
asciilifeform: tcpdump -nnXSs 0 port 8333
asciilifeform: i spent a good spell watching tcpdump with eyeballs
asciilifeform: Stec: you need gcc on any reasonable unix. that's all. trb will build a new compiler, and with it will build itself.
asciilifeform: 2) the kind that is behind impenetrable and entirely nonpublic wall, a la gossipd, and deals only with cryptoidentifiable peers.
asciilifeform: incidentally i see no reason why any trb node ought to allow a tx (mempool, vs in-block) to consume more cpu time than it took to receive from the nic.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: every time trb is mentioned on reddit, i see this crud re: 'important fixes.'
asciilifeform: and 2-3 word examples mircea_popescu posts, work
asciilifeform: *simply
asciilifeform: imho the enemy simple isn't bleeding enough.
asciilifeform: florian weimer et al are 'security professionals' for 'fixing' holes after the fact (self-planted, but who will print this.) whereas we are 'nutters' for removing the cancerous tissue preemptively.
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asciilifeform: empty the prb folks
asciilifeform: (contemporary of korolev)
asciilifeform: interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd
asciilifeform: mp-hard - requires being mp.
asciilifeform: it is mp-hard if it requires merely being phriendz with mircea_popescu ...
asciilifeform: a problem is mp-complete if its solution requires being mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: certainly compared to 'faraday room'
asciilifeform: and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance)
asciilifeform: and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh
asciilifeform: just as chumpers learned not to drop ipnohe.
asciilifeform: (no need for shield, for example)
asciilifeform: laugh, but with 'oled' display, 'optical tempest' can come back
asciilifeform: would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., http://hollandshielding.com/231-EMI%20shielded%20glass
asciilifeform: (next step: mp-complete !!111)
asciilifeform: welcome to being mp-cool
asciilifeform: mats: bbbbut 'exponentially improving!11111'
asciilifeform: impress the chixx with how much you can put on credit card.
asciilifeform: or, perhaps overworked subject in my writings, the computer market: there is $wintelcrud laptop, there is crapple, but there is no (longer) tadpole computer corp.
asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu give example of the levels ?
asciilifeform: if chump sends the new chump on his merry way to the crapple store, we have a scam, sure, but how is it 'mlm' ?
asciilifeform: but the traditional definition remains, does chump take money from chump.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where's the consumer direct-sale chumpatron in, e.g., apple ?
asciilifeform: now, mad kudos to anyone who can locate a 'mensch computer' available for purchase...
asciilifeform: but sounds vaguely and pleasantly temple-os-y.
asciilifeform: 'The Mensch Computer is a solid state computer that was never designed to compete in the PC market. It's not a PDA, calculator, home controller or personal organizer, but it could be any of these things. It was designed to provide simplicity without complexity allowing users to evolve it into their own creation. Many people put a lot of thought and many years into the design to provide a head start for many projects. There are
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i contemplated 'fixing wallet' ages ago, but doing so was complicated by the fact that i REALLY, ~REALLY~ do not like spending coin.
asciilifeform: !rate BingoBoingo 3 preaches tirelessly to the heathens - qntra.net ; retrocomputing archaeologist and the proverbial alert reader.
asciilifeform: !rate mod6 5 met alive; expert gardener of therealbitcoin.org; implementer of the first fully-functional battlefield-grade vtron.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla 'silent wings' fan are very very spiffy. and now the loudest thing in the room, giant doubleconverter ups, is deafening in comparison. gonna have to re-fan it now...
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i`ll watch it when i get my computer back together
asciilifeform: i'll use a proprietary compiler shortly after my appointment as reichsminister, where i will commute to ft. meade on flying pig over a frozen hell.
asciilifeform: parallel trees complicate things
asciilifeform: soldiers on until entirely empty.
asciilifeform: clean should never erase ~permanent~ components
asciilifeform: but this is speaking strictly for the swamp, i have nfi re: the rest of the continent
asciilifeform: seat on mpex costs about what an old bulldozer costs
asciilifeform is not a user of jurov's service, but always found it interesting that it has no (afaik) competition. must be quite good.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i left shiva1 an island to emphasize that it is a heathen and largely unverified turd (tinyscheme)
asciilifeform: decisively opposite of 'fata de impins vagoane'
asciilifeform: 'But where has all this been exposed as "unfulfilled assumptions" by the academic examination of cryptography? Where is their "proof" now?' >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475 etc
asciilifeform: 'One example of the larger problem is that virtually all modern ciphering occurs on a general purpose computer. Our overall model of computation, upon which correctness in ciphering rests, does not include malware. ... [lengthy discussion of irrelevant crud assuming reader uses winbl0wz snipped]'
asciilifeform: 'Natural law can be complex and confusing, but not deliberately deceptive, so it is not surprising that techniques refined for understanding nature do not well address the cryptographic contest.' << this point is originally due to j. randi
asciilifeform: to not jump up 200 metres suddenly ?
asciilifeform: he was a chump, accepted payola denominated in toiletpaper
asciilifeform: complain to ieee.
asciilifeform: i guess the example i have here fell 1,001 times.
asciilifeform: on 2nd attempt now.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu one well-massaged class of super-NP complexity classes is PSPACE - and i distinctly recall a proof that the mega-game 'sokoban' is PSPACE-complete.
asciilifeform has the b00k, and the worked-examples one
asciilifeform: the mega-champ is acl2.
asciilifeform: we can dig up a little, but it is a bit like digging pompei
asciilifeform: is NP-complete then P = NP'
asciilifeform: (incidentally, the problem of an inner cipher introducing known-plaintextisms is solved routinely by splitting the payload into xor-able halves, using rng, and enciphering each ~half~ with different cipher, rather than box-in-box composition)
asciilifeform: 'I have been involved in Bitcoin since before the "Mt. Gox Fast Pay" thread that produced Bitinstant. My law cases make me the bearer of Bitcoin 2.0 no matter what. Bitcoin 2.0 is simply my daemon forked from a sued Ripple Labs qualified as an invention with features added and the Bitcoin upgrade address 1J7CAm6bavGcG52xgobn8n9ScnAzH8JZUm - I have pledged to drain the exchanges until exchange
asciilifeform: 3-5k per chump per mo. for doing jack shit?
asciilifeform: incidentally, here is a very painful test i've contemplated
asciilifeform: rather than malfunction/misdesign of any particular component
asciilifeform: (boot camp, boots, grunting, shitting oneself, sapping, other arts)
asciilifeform: contrary to popular notion, analogue comp does ~not~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's point re: orcs is well-illustrated in the mega-compendium. observe how the crackpots who can barely string coherent words together, actually sit closer to the dirty truth than the 'educated' folk
asciilifeform: and by cheating in your wolf form, when larger (e.g., simulated annealing, eldritch magic such as evolutionary compute, genetic algo, etc)
asciilifeform: '1. Someone proposes a scheme based on Hard Problem X. X looks strong, but the resulting scheme either is too slow or has gigantic keys. 2. Someone else comes along and proposes a related scheme based on Hard Problem Y which, having more structure, allows for either smaller keys or faster computation. 3. Later turns out this extra structure also helps the attacker.'
asciilifeform: ... judging algorithmic complexities of various algos
asciilifeform: impossible to say ~average case~ complexity
asciilifeform: it is junk, plain and simple.
asciilifeform: i think i will go to a racing competition; and submit an 'enchilada cipher' car, a junkyard carcass of old ferrari welded to remnants of a crashed mazerati.
asciilifeform: srsly, classic example of 'cryptographers' playing confusion mind games with own selves
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see what is so hot about the composition thing
asciilifeform: see the 'implementer belongs in fermentation vat' point
asciilifeform: if the composed elements are FULLY independent - composes.
asciilifeform: also, i will defend the notion that crypto - composes. usefully. the contrary notion is due 100% to retarded implementers, who belong in fermenting vat
asciilifeform: holy shit is mircea_popescu's example hard to read
asciilifeform: it lets folks actually press a release, for example, without requiring 'papal infallibility' for the release signers; and, likewise importantly, it lets developer press 'i want a thing will all of my shit but not the discarded erroneous crud'
asciilifeform: likewise, they must not attempt to transform X' and disparate X'' into a Y
asciilifeform: i don't ~want~ my computer alive.
asciilifeform: just observing that neither i nor the other million chumps are enthusiastic coprophagics, we were simply given a menu of shit and broken glass, and picked shit
asciilifeform: i don't like, need or want the graphics, the idiot skeumorphisms, the 'ease of use', the payware, or the compatibility
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400258 << what stockholm. It's the only working portable comp vendor.
asciilifeform: (and note, if, satan help you, you need a laptop comp that ~actually works~, or a pocket terminal that doesn't resemble an infested xp box, there is very much no alternative)
ascii_butugychag: light cones will be relevant once we get autonomous bots scouring the universe for v set components...
ascii_butugychag: i don't object to the price, this is quite cheap for a proper computer
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: i specifically mean his 'follow my example, use this here iron!!111' 'but no there is no place for you to get it, hahahaha'
ascii_butugychag: (it was a compendium of writings of a sci.crypt usenet crackpot)
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it is almost possible to catalogue the cockroaches typically infesting n00b heads - for instance, having a set of 'too big to contemplate' steps, such as junking 'nacl' et al and writing own libs
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: possibly kid imagines that the company of others leads directly to 'militia', and usg stoolies, and straight into jail
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu do you know of any working implementations of cramer-shoup other than the emacslisp one i linked last week ?
asciilifeform: delusional parasitosis is built from two basic components - collective 'tooth-licking' (as naggum called it), where buncha folks happily 'folie a deux' together 2) palpable powerlessness, 'no microscope anywhere can possibly see the bugs', etc
asciilifeform: lulzily i was actually in the midst of prototyping a simple bios diddler when that came out
asciilifeform: reasonably it wouldn't be bluetooth but one of the 'shitmonkey' or what was it called, from snowden-II document, simple short-range radio thing
asciilifeform: ;;later tell maqp http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399589 << work us through an example of what a subverted diode ought to do. assume a builder with infinite money and hatred of all things good and bright.
ascii_rear: where is my campaign l0l
ascii_rear: and yes, eternal comp.lang.lisp holy war re: it constituting a heathen small language within cl
asciilifeform: and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will no doubt supply us with the mega-insight that if i have no money it is because i have no competence at anything and oughta be boiled for soap asap
asciilifeform: punkman: you can't compress random crud
asciilifeform: 'Although in theory Miller can claim priority, reality is more complex. As will be explained below, it is quite unlikely that either he or anyone else ever used his system for real messages; in fact, it is unclear if anyone other than he and his friends and family ever knew of its existence. That said, there are some possible links to Mauborgne. It thus remains unclear who should be credited with effectively inventing the one-
asciilifeform: now one could try to prove that extracting this information usefully is computationally intractable. but this is never been publicly done.
asciilifeform: (and, as per earlier thread, unemployment)
asciilifeform: in which case you get the ridiculous american number of 30. which assumes an ideal spherical horse of an empire where the chump actually keeps getting that 100k for 30 years, and it isn't eaten away at by spiraling costs of fuel, food, medical, etc.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1398011 << closer to 10. ~unless~ you use my magic formula and compute using ~the money you have left over to actually pay for the thing~
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397985 << there is an eternal unmet demand of folks who will do $work for ~$free. hence indians imported, etc.
asciilifeform: (it doesn't go straight on the cpu, no, will crack the mb and drown in condensation. it goes in the tank through which you pump the oil.)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397765 << if you crunch the simple arithmetic re: propagation delays, it reveals that one of two things: a) whole thing is a scam, not actually intended to happen in physical reality b) collectivized, 'kolhoz' of gaming processor will be installed on street corner router cabinets, one per 100 houses or so, this will go great with ownership of actual computer being Officially forb
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397698 << templeos comes with a 'talk to god' terminal.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz, i will remind, factoring was never demonstrated to be np-complete)
asciilifeform: the gotcha is, there is no shortage of demonstrably np-complete problem classes; but converting one into a cryptosystem, esp. ~safely~ is nontrivial
asciilifeform: re: the cipher thread, gotta love how nobody complained re: mircea_popescu asking folks to solve an unsolved mathematical problem, the answer to which eluded two great empires for half a century.
ascii_butugychag: 'Also, he awards bonus points for proofs of hardness. No one has managed to prove hardness for any existing block cipher. Block ciphers are simply ways to jumble the plaintext up in a reversible fashion. They are not based on difficult mathematical problems.
ascii_butugychag: also gotta love the 'free, open workstation' where the sole component supplier is ibm
ascii_butugychag: '“I cannot for sure rule out the possibility of a backdoor,” said Gerhard Rieger, a Socat maintainer. “But personally I do not believe that the contributor has a backdoor because he uses an email address at a well known and reputated company, and if someone wants to install such a backdoor he would not use a parameter that can easily be proven as non prime.”'
ascii_butugychag: ^ from my multi-year attempt to find out something definitive re: the strength of mceliece
ascii_butugychag: with more frequency then we might like. But this surely does not eradicate the importance of
ascii_butugychag: heroes hang when traitors triumph (tm) (r)
ascii_butugychag: pretty complete re: modern folk
asciilifeform: pitch that Crypto AG was a neutral company and its equipment was the best. They were Swiss, after all. [3] Crypto AG eventually paid one million dollars for Buehler's release in January 1993, then promptly fired him once they had reassured themselves that he hadn't revealed anything important under interrogation, and because Buehler had begun to ask some embarrassing questions.'
asciilifeform: and was so very confused, when u.s. federal judges would inevitably and inexplicably 'lose' his complaints
asciilifeform: filing complaints left and right
asciilifeform: Anonymous said... 'NSA began to remove public key crypto implementations from weapons in about 1991. Sandia cryptographer Gus Simmons suggested to NSA and Sandia that NSA replace the shift register-based Benincasa algorithm in the ctbt data authenticator with public key. I was ordered by my supervior, Dr John Holovka [chemist] to explain what Simmons was talking about. http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/mcconnell/pacer/Pa
asciilifeform: the triumph of 'ordinary science' as described by kuhn.
asciilifeform: and, on the other side, the ludicrous, when seen from outside, deluge of pseudomathematical claptrap that now passes for 'computer science research'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396901 << the other thing is, simplicity is sorta like sanitation. picture trying to explain 'why i do not like to swim in liquid shit'
asciilifeform: (in fact, the roots of all of the state-of-the-art work ~pre-date~ cook's theorem and the notion of quantifiable algorithmic complexity !)
asciilifeform: we have proof that $problem falls into, e.g., np-complete complexity class. but what we ~don't~ have is,
ascii_butugychag: (simply keep both keys secret)
ascii_butugychag: the champs of recent history re: both-at-once was prolly israel. hence a dead gerald bull.
ascii_butugychag: pet sayeth, i simply haven't merited my bullet yet
ascii_butugychag: it has to compete for those with what remains of private industry
ascii_butugychag: e.g., 'compute bbp algo in silico'
ascii_butugychag: also i will add that preferring 'weird' operations, vs. simple arithmetic, costs us more than it costs the enemy.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, all block (and even stream) implementations in the battlefield use over-the-wire rekeying
ascii_butugychag: punkman: it is an example of such, yes
ascii_butugychag: ^ example.
asciilifeform: nobody has seriously improved on this barbarism, at least publicly.
asciilifeform: because it is a motherfucking REFERENCE implementation
ascii_butugychag: esp. once it is actually a debugger and not simply a lame proof of concept as now
ascii_butugychag: i mean hey, it's ~my~ history of bug-crapping that is being whitewashed over, so i shouldn't complain... but still
ascii_butugychag is still not sure why it was necessary to discard the history and compress the old patch + its fix into a new one
ascii_butugychag: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al can produce curated trees simply by signing.
ascii_butugychag: jurov: how about we have the simple and sane solution - a name can be used once.
ascii_butugychag: and produces CONSTANT timestamp.
ascii_butugychag: also using signature timestamps for anything is idiotic
ascii_butugychag: and i have no intention of asking people to use a patched pgptron simply so they can use v
ascii_butugychag: chances are you simply aren't looking.
asciilifeform: 'hobo in the alley has same right to impregnate wife as master of the house' or how did mircea_popescu put it.
asciilifeform: it is idiocy, plain and simple.
asciilifeform: https://github.com/17Q4MX2hmktmpuUKHFuoRmS5MfB5XPbhod/dropzone-lib << lulzy derpatron from the spam in mircea_popescu's comment section
asciilifeform: found improvement of plouffe's algo.
asciilifeform: re: turing-complete cellular automaton proof
asciilifeform: cars all looking entirely alike are a better example
asciilifeform: computer-UNaided designs.
asciilifeform: age of cheap transistor had a faux-renaissance where folks used the cheap transistors for elaborate self-delusion - 'this is sooo complicated, nobody!1111 could crack'
asciilifeform: the simplest algo, for all patchons in patch, dive down recursively and find ancestor.
asciilifeform: implement it!
asciilifeform: i haven't even plugged the thing in yet, and already impressed.
asciilifeform: (the former being an exercise in self-delusion, the latter - adds complexity and potentially buggy or noisy circuitry)
asciilifeform: e.g., 1 and 2 imply that there are sufficient bits per entropy without having to resort to whitenings or distillation
asciilifeform: however, i do find it... interesting, that it is not ~entirely~ empty, but the intersection of it and implementations ~you can get~ .... IS.
asciilifeform: the field of crypto that has provable hardness foundation is depressingly empty
asciilifeform: computable?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394699 << funnily, maslennikov's b00k was largely about his futile attempts to interest kgb middle management in group-theoretical foundations for new block ciphers
ascii_butugychag: if i dump a credit card into my own 'paypal' input, they will dutifully tally it up and 'income'
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: the genesis is always implicit in the head
ascii_butugychag: v is simply a mathatron that deals in the basic operation h,s1,o,s2 where s1 and s2 are strings, h is an operation (usually a hash) for recognizing said strings via trapdoor, and o is a transform
ascii_butugychag: or you get improperly localized failure
ascii_butugychag: (also important to disable 'fuzziness' in the latter)
ascii_butugychag: an obsolete patch is simply one that doesn't keep getting built on.
ascii_butugychag: anyway the funniest thing is that nobody cancelled purchased commissions, and other simonies - they are simply brokered through the credential racketeers now
ascii_butugychag: i tend to associate this with old brit and ru empires, officers with purchased commissions, imbecilic commanders, 'blue blood.'
ascii_butugychag: nsa complex is not indian - yet
ascii_butugychag: (i must mention, for completeness, that derpwall could have an opposite purpose, of preventing inquiriy into the ~weakness~ of b-b-s when used as prng, as it is in many systems incl. iirc, certain versions of winblowz)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1393994 << ahahahahaha l0l this would be true if computing were an actually adult field, like refrigeration
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: actually i would be only slightly surprised if prb could be persuaded to jmp into a block.
ascii_butugychag: ncluding one that Bridges created on October 28, 2015 after he had pleaded guilty in this case; a Samsung cell phone; and a thumb drive. Also located in those bags were documents relating to his wife’s, Ariana Esposito’s, attempts to obtain citizenship in another country. Government agents also found a MacBook with the serial number scratched off, an ipad tucked between a bedroom mattr
ascii_butugychag: and helps not at all in actual computation.
ascii_butugychag: and folks who cannot, or will not, attempt said understanding, will have to find themselves a priest, yes.
ascii_butugychag: hdbuck: idiocy, beneath contempt
ascii_butugychag: if it were given a place to pump in patches, we could finally give turdatron a proper burial
ascii_butugychag: introduces exactly the wrong incentives, and empowers the folks you least want in the driver's seat
ascii_butugychag: ^ there is more than one way of accomplishing this effect
ascii_butugychag: attempt at 'i/o-hard' workfunction
ascii_butugychag: what i don't get is what desirable thing the workfunction change accomplishes
ascii_butugychag: right now we have gangrene in one leg. what is an improvement about having ~two~ ?
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1392496 << the sane upgrade path is TO THERMONUKE GNUDIFF and have turing-complete operation set!
asciilifeform: nothing quite compares to the magical power of actually reading things...
ascii_rear: i can't use mp's filter algo
asciilifeform: also i laugh when folks take the spew of academitard 'compiler research' claptrap and try to actually use
asciilifeform: phf: annotate laboriously, by hand, and painfully aware of the impedance mismatches
asciilifeform: a cpp is that is interpreted, and where magic that normally happens during compilation can happen MORE THAN ONCE, and AT RUNTIME, is guaranteed semantic-distinct from ordinary cpp.
asciilifeform: phf: cpp does enough munging at compile time that this whole concept is disastrously meaningless
asciilifeform: it scales pretty well, if tmsr were an actual empire it could have a 100% mod6 and a 100% asciilifeform et al
asciilifeform: claims to 'compile to cpp' doesn't it ?
asciilifeform: there are good examples of this kind of thing, from the past, see 'chicken' and 'stalin'
asciilifeform: anyway if somebody insists on tamping versionstring and versionstring-fix into one path, i will read and sign it.
asciilifeform: whole point of v is to avoid having to pretend that symphony was farted out in one perfect go.
asciilifeform: 'So, are you whiter than him or darker than him ? If whiter, you go before him, if darker after him. Problem of "who goes first" solved, and inasmuch as it's an irrelevant problem anyway, it doesn't matter how it's solved just as long as it's solved. The Arabs implement this exact solution, which is why I never saw buluceala in their very popular mosques. The Romanians do not implement it, or anything else, and as such bulucea
asciilifeform: right now there are simply insufficient flies, and their proboscis - insufficiently sharp and long, to make this point properly felt.
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