asciilifeform suspects that 'pedo is the new faggotry' in the 19th c brit sense , i.e. 'want to be toady of hitler? gotta give him some primo kompromat for you'
mircea_popescu: must be from all the awareness raising.
mircea_popescu: all sorta things "nobody is aware of" in the reich, somehow.
mircea_popescu: friends of the recently suicided dude.
mircea_popescu: wasn't born there
lobbes: there was an extra fix for eat_dump.py in mine as well that dealt with teh null payloadz
asciilifeform: hmm then possib. not subsumed ! i'ma look.
lobbes: asciilifeform: did it? I patched it to sit on top of the "line_wraps" patch
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 12:26:26 asciilifeform: hm lobbes did i leave out your sig ? i could've sworn there was one. plox to link if so.
BingoBoingo: Just remember the tolerances for fitting 1U case in rack isn't too forgiving.
asciilifeform: in the early days, iirc mircea_popescu scoffed that 'spending fat dough to fly steel sheets' but they're in fact the magick ingredient that gets the internals through orc customs .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the off-the-shelf selection for these is annoyingly limited (and expensive) imho
asciilifeform for next go-around , perhaps will get sheet metal bending machine and may as well make the 1u cages from sheets also.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: update : turns out the particular iron dun weld very well. i'ma use pneumatic riveter like normal people, with these.
BingoBoingo: In other news, it looks like Europe and North America can get back to fake "plastic recyling" exports: "El cambio que el líder PRO imprimió a la vieja orden Nº 181/1992, que por entonces habilitaba a la importación de basura de otros países y que generó un escándalo por la aparición de residuos nucleares en el gobierno de Menem, pasó tan solo por un artículo: según trabajadores de la Economía Popular y ambient
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Very nice! Let the assembling commence!
trinque: no idea; my only real brush with them was gl
asciilifeform: trinque: do you know, perchance, whatever happened to the 'climacs' people ?
asciilifeform: re emacs scriptolade -- really gotta keep it clean, for, if nuffin else -- the fact that it uses a 1970s style lisp where 'stop-the-world gc' is in use , not really meant for heaviweight programmatism
asciilifeform: the logotron kit takes list of known bots (past, present) in config , already, for the www displayer
asciilifeform: trinque: per mircea_popescu's spec, it aint a bug. ( and to switch it off, imho The Right Thing is simply to look against list of bots )
asciilifeform: imho there's pretty wide spectrum b/w 'knife sharpened just-so' and 'chairs stacked just-so'
trinque: yeah, trying to avoid the "chairs stacked just so" life
asciilifeform: trinque: aa, so you jettisoned some scriptolade, rather than emacs per se. i misread.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933649 << patch is already in my hopper, just watching the testbot for a day or two longer. still connected btw.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933619 << yep, ren of ren&stimpy fame, from the Space Madness episode
mircea_popescu: spyked, explo.yt off the list also thus
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty for the update
mircea_popescu: spyked, barksinthewind.com too
mircea_popescu: so long ago i even forgot who the fuck it was
mircea_popescu: !q s barksinthewind
asciilifeform: ( would need at least the comment knob tho, as i understand it is presently missing )
asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09e-tmsr-work-v.html << The Tar Pit -- TMSR work: plan for 2019 M9, and a very brief discussion
asciilifeform: ( the only stone-dead link, is mikec )
asciilifeform: spyked: errybody else on the list, is actively alive.
asciilifeform: phf's -- nov. '18
spyked bbl, publishing this month's report and then out to meat chores
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 10:26:15 mircea_popescu: actually, let's see the list of feeds you got, prolly time for a review
asciilifeform: hm lobbes did i leave out your sig ? i could've sworn there was one. plox to link if so.
asciilifeform: and incidentally diana_coman is the all-time champ for 'read & eat asciilifeform's worx' atm !
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933628 << exactly why i split the logotron kit into standalone parts.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:40:36 mircea_popescu: if calling an url is compilation htaccess does the preprocessing
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933626 << can't think of why it wouldn't work; but you would get tight coupling (i.e. suddenly possible for logger to miss lines if www serv is overwhelmed , or lagging, or otherwise inoperable )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 04:33:18 mircea_popescu: i'm like 99% sure i published this, what the fuck, did some trilema articles vanish ?!
mircea_popescu: actually, let's see the list of feeds you got, prolly time for a review
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 <-- I've found emacs useful for exactly one thing over the years: plugging "w3m" browser into it, which aids copy-pasting lines and posting comments on blogs when in terminal. other than that, /me also stopped chasing this particular wild goose about a year ago
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 13:08:20 diana_coman: aww, feedbot can't seem to keep up with the pace of trilema comments, lol
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933398 <-- lol, I thought it had went down again when I saw this, got me alarmed there for a moment.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 14:01:17 asciilifeform: strangely sicilian seems almost plug-compatible with ro (sorta like those old sovok rocket connectors, 'only gotta hammer it once and the pins will bend...' )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:33:21 asciilifeform: ^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?!
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933393 <-- no headbashing involved, man asked a legit q about ircbot (which still runs some of the bots here) and I answered the best I can
mircea_popescu: if calling an url is compilation htaccess does the preprocessing
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is the important part here. rewriting (as the math concept) is an important (really, the only) function of the numeric machines we have. ~only utility. and .htaccess kludge is an ad-hoc but well specified rewrite engine for the assorted glue (ad hoc and unspecified) needed to www.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, in a very theoretical principled view of the matter, "everyone drops it after sinking work into it for years" is a fine definition of evil.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:34:37 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:34:57 asciilifeform: i actually did very similar thing in phuctor ( the 'werker', c proggy that uses multiple cpu ) as of '16 does not need to know about pg, it talks to the frontend via ordinary http
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:36:55 asciilifeform: in principle could then have a mircea_popescu-style php reader, and e.g ada bot .
mircea_popescu: neways, ima call it good on steph kegels' excellent library slutout. which, incidentally, is one of the best training videos i know of. chick's got that ATTITUDE.
mircea_popescu: and in ongoing regexp lulz : "i am sure it was an image ~in a footnote~" "oh, ok then, WHERE `post_content` LIKE '%((%.jpg%%))%'" "mno, that only looks for pics after a footnote opener and before a footnote closer, not necessarily of the same footnote. it'll include all pics in an article with at least two footnotes, pretty much." "fuck"
mircea_popescu: all this because i'm looking for the footnote with that other slut on high heels butt-smiling at the camera to add to my comment on lobbes' article, though of course i can't find THAT, either.
mircea_popescu: i'm like 99% sure i published this, what the fuck, did some trilema articles vanish ?!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in holy shit breakage : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ contains the pics of my slut, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/letscallhershm.jpg ; they're formatted in the manner trilema formats pictures ; yet mysql can not find any article including it!
mircea_popescu first read "i hope to share that bedroom with you", was a little scared. then re-read and all was well, sure, let's share all the boredom in the world.
mircea_popescu: \http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/e25cdd47fad095a028165e3b44d5dd85?s=632&d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=X << wtf is this then
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:39:00 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.
trinque: asciilifeform: anyway I decoupled the protocol from the backend services on mine, but used deeb for the decoupling. intent was to be resilient to new tmsr~ chat protocols emerging
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:28:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's depressing thread makes me want to rewrite the bot nao tho. ( taking suggestions re in-what... )
trinque: not that I have a favorite in either.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:56:18 BingoBoingo: I mean the other alternative is lighttpd's "config lives until process restarts"
trinque: "but it lets tenants configure" runs aground on "there exists no multitenant OS"
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:14:35 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933406 << this can't fucking be, they all must dump sql ffs, wtf.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933459 << oh yeah, plenty of divergences in the dump formats, "standards process" and everything.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.
trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
asciilifeform: ( why asciilifeform did not do this in the original ? answr -- because wanted to make the bot independent of reader, so could restart the latter , for cosmetic fiddles, w/out risking to lose lines )
asciilifeform: in principle could then have a mircea_popescu-style php reader, and e.g ada bot .
asciilifeform: i actually did very similar thing in phuctor ( the 'werker', c proggy that uses multiple cpu ) as of '16 does not need to know about pg, it talks to the frontend via ordinary http
asciilifeform: btw i dun recall if mentioned this, but it is possible to bake the bot in sumthing that doesn't know about pg, but only knows how to socket. ( i.e. if one were to move the 'insert new line' into reader , and have the latter take a http 'put' on 127.0.0.1 for same )
asciilifeform: in all seriousness, the tower o'shit for bot.py is only slightly shorter than for reader.py ( yea no 'flask' -- but dozen other similars )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's depressing thread makes me want to rewrite the bot nao tho. ( taking suggestions re in-what... )
asciilifeform: ( observe that neither bot was 'thrown for flood' )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:14:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:31:50 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
asciilifeform: aite then.
mircea_popescu: this way people can unravel chains if they want to, or not. in any case, if we decide we hate it eventually easy enough to tunr off
mircea_popescu: fun over the barrel, moar like it
asciilifeform: currently asciilifeform's logotron kit takes list of other-bots in config file. these are used atm strictly in www displayer's colouration ( grey, a la phf's )
ossabot: Logged on 2016-09-30 10:25:26 diana_coman: it sounds like we should mirror them ; probably/possibly a bunch of packages for each distro at the end of the day, sigh
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 16:44:37 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933526 << thinking about this -- prolly my sad mips belongs on the list of these attempts.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: ~100% of the time , complainer's hands were found to grow from arse )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 16:42:07 diana_coman: in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
mircea_popescu: it makes sense though, it was bungled in the bunghole
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the age commanded that we sing, but then cut off our tongues... the age commanded that we flow, but hammered in the bung!'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2019/09/another-open-bmc-bung-virtual-usb-open-to-anywhere/#comment-137293
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/another-open-bmc-bung-virtual-usb-open-to-anywhere/ << Qntra -- Another Open BMC Bung: Virtual USB Open To Anywhere
asciilifeform: btw in re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131271 -- i have no objection if someone would like to put the proposition to a -- announced or otherwise -- torture test
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's an idea though in fairness I can't say I'd *want* them; so far I just kept pointing out precisely that a. learn to write also when you use something, not only when you need something b. send me those other data sets and then who knows
mircea_popescu: "you'll be an economist when i tell you you're an economist, now go do the dishes"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, anyway, i suppose the thing to do is point out to the dorks in question that really there's no need nor any space for their self aferations, drop the shit and go younghands instead.
diana_coman: I suppose in time there'll be plenty more similar stuff that I should have written about but what can I do *now* about it - there's still plenty waiting in the queue to be done, yet more to be written and both queues seem to get only longer, a bit balaur-style, cut one head and 2 pop out
BingoBoingo: lol, when the locals ask me for my opinion of their "pagina de web" my first recommendation is the that to get more recommendations they need to cut their page load time down from minutes to seconds.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-09-30 10:25:26 diana_coman: it sounds like we should mirror them ; probably/possibly a bunch of packages for each distro at the end of the day, sigh
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
diana_coman: and they are all "economists"
diana_coman: in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:00:52 mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131257 diana_coman , where's the article detailing the time we attempted to amber linux over it breaking eulora compile process ? is there one even ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933449 - there isn't one; it's only irc logs, sadly.
BingoBoingo: Still, gotta go to war with the arms available as nice as it may be to got to war instead with the arms in the development lab
BingoBoingo used to blow hours, now usually only blows minutes when they happen
mircea_popescu: "unix" files and linux files are entirely different ; the whole linux fs is really www tronics.
mircea_popescu: he has a point there.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-09 11:45:35 asciilifeform: re 'why would anyone think to use threads' -- this is not mega-puzzle. naggum described similar situation in the bulldozer essay. imbecile sees an obstacle, reaches for the most obvious available power tool that seems to push aside the obstacle; without giving half a shit what's behind it, woods, swamp, mountain, or where the earth he pushed aside will go, and how it might interact with him later, etc
BingoBoingo: THe .htaccess utility is in much of the most important config needs being directory or file specific
asciilifeform: re 'htaccess' tho, imho the cut was correct, 'deny errything but what is explicitly permitted in the config' is the Right Thing, rather than 'make user specify per-dir'
asciilifeform: so i suspect the 'optimizations'(tm)(r) more than made up for whatever was gained in the orig. cut.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i've never succeeded in detecting a performance diff b/w the 2 (in the use scenario where they can be interchanged)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And then he proceeded to routinely make wild obfuscated C changes to ngix citing "optimization"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nginx was an old heathen attempt to 'trb treatment' of apache by 'cut all the pieces i dun use' -- of 1 particular user.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile the GB switch crate is here !
asciilifeform: ( found out that there is no working equiv. of 'mod-php' for ngx )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and asciilifeform together, when attempted the collective php blog system on same
mircea_popescu: was it you that had a near death experience with the thing ?
mircea_popescu: then again, this was last tested (and true) ~decade ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, afaik mp-wp takes postgres out of the box
asciilifeform: blog still lives on starvation heathen host, for nao.
BingoBoingo: I mean the blog
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phuctor lives on actual box, same as the logotron.
asciilifeform: search boxes ~save~ cpu cycles, folx who insist on searching otherwise wget -m ... . whereas why not let'em search .
BingoBoingo: This is all fine and good, but Mysql has some thing outside the standard and those things appear to be what makes it the M in LAMP. Postgre may have usecases, but if you want to blog bloggin happens into mysql
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i used only standard sql in my proggies -- with the exception of indices (where there is no standard mechanism, grrrr)
BingoBoingo: The SQL in mysql and the sql in postgresql are different enough to not have portability without headbashing.
asciilifeform: i have not fully vivisected'em , cannot presently say whether 'eh just filter'em out' would work .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 13:06:19 asciilifeform: re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933406 << this can't fucking be, they all must dump sql ffs, wtf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-05-02 09:56:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910633 << there's actually not 1 but 2 'standard os' available in piz ( 'rk' and 'dulap' tarballs ) but both are stone age gentoos, they are obsoleted by cuntoo (when the latter is pronounced baked, but really even nao, it is impossible to e.g. 'emerge' packages on the vintage gentoo, the upstream package repos went full tard year ago )
asciilifeform also 'pre-cuntoo cuntoo', and pc ver. of same ; with the assoc. headaches elaborately described in the log.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc was only in the #t log
mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131257 diana_coman , where's the article detailing the time we attempted to amber linux over it breaking eulora compile process ? is there one even ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:00:29 diana_coman: PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933381 << this is precisely the case ; do me a favour and move out of here to whatever lords' castle that'll have you on your own power so i don't have to strap on my tool belt and do it in a more permanent fashio,
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i used it all the way to the last day when the university shut down their unix cluster and expelled all 'zombies' who were still connected. which -- ~decade after graduating -- still included asciilifeform
asciilifeform for many, many yrs -- used pine ! and when moved from last flat in fact threw out a crt with pine screen burned into the phosphor.
mircea_popescu: eg, guy maintaining the server where i was pico-ing my email in the 90s, kept wanting to get me to emacs.
mircea_popescu: i knew some back in the day also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laff, but iirc there's folx who live 100% in emacs. ( trinque iirc )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 09:56:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933354 << am i the only habitual emacs user who never wanted to do anyffin other than ~editing text~ in it ?
asciilifeform: strangely sicilian seems almost plug-compatible with ro (sorta like those old sovok rocket connectors, 'only gotta hammer it once and the pins will bend...' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall you had another similar , sumthing like 'da-mi mama dupa Iura'
asciilifeform: i'ma stfu and give mircea_popescu the needed air atm
mircea_popescu: by the time i pen a comment another 5 are in there, and then the log scrolls and omgwtfbbq
asciilifeform: re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman actually #20 contains mistake, in temp mirrors 1st set up 'nginx' as in older system, then 'apache' to compare whether made diff in re performance (it did not) . ( putting this here, rather than to spam mp's www with 9000 errata comments.. )
diana_coman: aww, feedbot can't seem to keep up with the pace of trilema comments, lol
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 18:22:51 asciilifeform: diana_coman: appears to work. we're gonna want an algo , tho, that doesn't resolve to 'throw out my db if outta sync and eat the other's' imho .
asciilifeform: ^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 04:31:17 spyked: in any case, for some reason the current reconnect call from ircbot "ping-thread" never worked for me, it only disconnects, but never comes back to life.
asciilifeform: PeterL: if you do, will learn, that moving parts have a cost -- even if they're invisible, mass-less, and supposedly 'phree'
asciilifeform: PeterL: ben_vulpes & trinque's orig bot actually worked this way. from the added complexity of multithread, had other problems entirely.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'd tell him to implement it, run it and document the results; he'll figure out what you are saying much faster that way + he'll learn something from it at least.
PeterL: I don't mean two full bots, I mean split the function of your bot into two, so you sould have, e.g. snsabot-listener who never talks, just puts lines in the DB, and when somebody quotes something then snsabot-talker reads it out
diana_coman: PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited
PeterL: I was pretty lazy over the summer, camping with the fam, etc. I have not done much constructive lately.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 05:54:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131245 news, the list of random innocents dragged in by nomination extends to also trinque diana_coman leaving aside the explicitly unnamed.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933354 << am i the only habitual emacs user who never wanted to do anyffin other than ~editing text~ in it ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 06:09:49 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933332 << why should text mode be troublematic ? i would not even mind an irc client that works ~like screen, have a main window for each channel and then ctrl-a number to toggle etc.
asciilifeform: PeterL: prolly worst possible use for 'two bots'. the anti-oscillation logic will be longer than my bot itself in entirety
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933348 << nah, just talking about the blockages in my skull. going to keep putting out these weirdo pieces for a bit.
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933103 << I don't want to overcomplicate things, but what about having two bots, one who listens and puts things in the DB and another who talks?
spyked: then again, there's http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-04-04 , iirc the verisimilitudes fella was hanging out in #asciilifeform at some point
spyked: hm. would require doing tty stuff a la termios, and I expect (haven't looked, tho) the existing cl code for that is cffing to ncurses, which... ugh.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 04:25:12 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 <-- technically speaking ircbot can act the part of an irc client, just not sure how easy it is to write a ui (whether text or graphical) on top of that
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933332 << why should text mode be troublematic ? i would not even mind an irc client that works ~like screen, have a main window for each channel and then ctrl-a number to toggle etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 23:26:40 trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
spyked: mircea_popescu, woah, huge response. it's gonna take me a while to process, currently stuck in saecular swamps. but I promise to get to it the first thing once I free my attention
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:40:29 trinque: yes, but then, eh?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:40:01 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131245 news, the list of random innocents dragged in by nomination extends to also trinque diana_coman leaving aside the explicitly unnamed.
spyked: (possibly because the call is not done on the main thread? I didn't look into it further than that, tbh)
spyked: in any case, for some reason the current reconnect call from ircbot "ping-thread" never worked for me, it only disconnects, but never comes back to life.
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933263 <-- imo this oughta happen when irc bot returns from recv, a la http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930111 ; cl-irc oughta expose some event for when connection is abruptly ended, so that ircbot reconnects from there
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 <-- technically speaking ircbot can act the part of an irc client, just not sure how easy it is to write a ui (whether text or graphical) on top of that
trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
BingoBoingo: And "blue" rates on the dollar are starting to make it into papers. "Dólar Banco Nación 59, dólar blue 64"
BingoBoingo: But no, they never mail me
trinque: people who think for a living oughtn't dull themselves with programming
asciilifeform: paradox, on the surface, but perhaps still true
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why asciilifeform regularly returns to mircea_popescu's (unwritten, but 'between the lines') dictum where 'the only people who have any biznis writing progs, is folx who never program'
trinque: about to stand up the newly muntzed item in #trinque for a bit before swap
asciilifeform: ( the items which seem like exception -- e.g. gnat, where -- at least the ada part -- is almost readable -- to date were products of small group of actually organized effort , rather than 'esr's bazar' or whatnot )
asciilifeform: trinque: i've yet to encounter the hypothetical marvel where pile of opensores reads other than like e.g. gcc, i.e. tumour mass.
asciilifeform: patching the 'biomass' can only produce moar of same mass
asciilifeform: then.
trinque: yes, but then, eh?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:33:14 spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
mircea_popescu: world is fulla them today.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:14:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933234 << no frost there. makes a diff.
mircea_popescu: from cursory examination this'd require however introducing the notion of wrap, extant clients do not care, split by char.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like a client that warns when about to frag line ( but can't be currently aroused to try an' patch 'xchat', 'irssi', other horrors )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:09:53 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933229 << i don't think there's anything wrong with removing the fragment of a [][] from the 2nd line and putting it in 1st.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: initially i wrote perlisms to generate'em, then thought 'wtf' and rewrote in peh proper
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:08:18 asciilifeform: 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
BingoBoingo: Restaurants not on the pipe gas network usually go for 45kg tanks in pairs.
asciilifeform: it only even begins to make sense in locales where the gas is actually mined
BingoBoingo: Doing busses off of LPG here would fuck up the local energy market so much...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:27 BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:17:45 mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:16:59 mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933168 << the 'ru-ar' d00d claimed that current fuhrer had these cleaned. but i'd believe when see with own eyes (and i dun have expedition planned to peronistan just to find whether troo..)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:00:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)