asciilifeform: holy fuck c compiler worx
asciilifeform: literally no diff but for the number stamped on the chassis.
asciilifeform: trinque: gonna import wot ?
asciilifeform: l0l in related nyooz i tried a floor washing machine thing, with steampunk water circulator, spinning brushes, etc. and somehow it managed to remove ~NO DIRT
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought pastes were intrinsically a temporary thing
asciilifeform: as are voting circuits, and other aspects of a sane computer
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 'ALEXANDRIA, Va. – The hacker "Guccifer," alleged to be Marcel Lehel Lazar, 44, of Arad, Romania, made his initial appearance today here in federal court on charges relating to unauthorized access of protected computers. According to the indictment, from December 2012 to January 2014, Lazar hacked into....'
asciilifeform: <phf> Upload em and I will implement mp-array that can be indexed with negatives << phun phakt, c will ~happily~ permit you to index with negatives.
asciilifeform: which is one of the resons thinking folk so often succumb to the temptation of 'let's make a lang'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/outrageous-mps-guide-to-not-being-a-poorfag/#comment-116904
asciilifeform: 'It is improper. Enumerations must always be made of items of the same kind. It's not enough that the items answer to the same purpose. They must actually be of the same kind.' << aaaaand this is how we learned that mircea_popescu , under the cover of darkness, programs! in ada !1111
asciilifeform: usg ~knows~ but it is impolitic to ~do~ anything.
asciilifeform: and so never was tempted to keep >1 auto.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i understand why you pick example of feudal battlefield, rather than red army, but the latter was actually the state of the art afaik.
asciilifeform: this is why i always had sympathy with the folks who pete_dushenski enjoys feeling superior to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's advice, 'become a pirate!1111' is ~practical and mega-useful~ by comparison !
asciilifeform: i am left to wonder, clearly mircea_popescu has a very high opinion of orc scum, why doesn't he recruit ~them~ to write his softs, run his companies, etc. ?
asciilifeform: and perhaps a reasonable set of lampshades.
asciilifeform: (e.g., gmp uses 4+ different mult algos)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did precisely once, with my last employer. there was much gnashing of teeth, and ill feeling from the other slaves (there were only a handful of us, and no one was actually replaceable)
asciilifeform: he is not an employee, does not clock hours or report to a boss, and is not - in as far as i can surmise - accountable to anyone, for anything he does.
asciilifeform: rms is not an employee of mit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure. but on this imperfect notion rests the possibility of having a town, or anything really that you can't carry up your arse while drawing a bowstring
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would you sell mpex to hitler ?
asciilifeform: just thinking, hitler could buy it simply to abuse.
asciilifeform: (as i understand, it gets sold with empty tank)
asciilifeform implodes, covetously
asciilifeform: likely davout has never seen, heard of, or even contemplated such a thing
asciilifeform: incidentally the 'same master' algo is catastrophically dangerous because it does not allow you to retire a broken ciphersystem COMPLETELY
asciilifeform: (this thing where folks expect keys to never change, is lulzy, yes i get it, mircea_popescu gotta prevent mpex account resale, but it is dumb in any other context)
asciilifeform: like old t-34 pulled from the swamps.
asciilifeform: how did i even end up in this thread, this is the perfect example of mircea_popescu's 'gynaeceum material, dun work in forum' thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'pissed in the back alley of cairo' example
asciilifeform: this is not 'cooking' (which i quite approve of) but room-temperature-cheese.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was attempted, i had the elementary nervous system to resist
asciilifeform: 11:31 <+mircea_popescu> phf i dunno fucking comprehend the disdain affected (perhaps to the point of believing themselves) by intellectual folk re the pro sluts. << nonono i just loathe the hump of the bell curve, sluts, no sluts, whatever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i knew a buncha similar kidz who , yes, adapted to chimp cunt.
asciilifeform: go, adapt to chimps in the zoo.
asciilifeform: at any rate one probably ought to regard 'gavin gets xxx for gavining' with the same salt as 'red army soldier gets x grams of chocolate in surrender camp'
asciilifeform: Mar 31 09:31:56 <mircea_popescu>he has his idiosyncratic criteria, which fit the events. and change with teh events. << this is unfounded. all i ever said on subj is 'gavin is exempt from arbeit macht frei, doesn't commute, doesn't punch clock'. turns out - true. (unless mircea_popescu has intel suggesting otherwise ?)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: afaik modern day champ is ru, at 15% flat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everything is either a complete-algebra or a buluceala pit.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: see if this rings a bell. there were two kinds of bettors on bbet. one that did not get double-paid. and one that 1) did 2) kept quite, kept the coin and possibly a 3) got double-paid, returned the coin. i am not aware of any (3) and kakobrekla stated that 3 was empty set.
asciilifeform implodes.
asciilifeform: incidentally odessa catacombs had no purpose in the usual sense. they were simply cavity from limestone quarry for the city above.
asciilifeform: Mar 30 10:02:53 <mircea_popescu> “I would never trust the legal system, frankly, to protect my family again,” Jeff Sikorski said. << l0l!! it is worth comparing usaschwitz inmate to, e.g., pashtun, or even eskimo. even lowliest savage has ~some~ means with which to bite back, avenge an affront.
asciilifeform: lulzily, in other nooze, classic #b-a is undergoing a very corpselike decomposition, fauna nobody even knew existed are devouring the carcass
asciilifeform: i also played it on demo-mpex for a while
asciilifeform: or in baked-assumption space
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crapping out a shitlang and conning naive schmucks into writing programs in it is a time-hounoured way to cheaply score pseudo-relevance. sorta like a comp sci version of altcoinism.
asciilifeform: this was the basic objective, obvious to anyone with iq above bathwater temperature
asciilifeform: i think the machine ~exists~ in order to make the gasoline-smelling 'starbux' swill taste great in comparison
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> there are precisely TWO known sane approaches to programming a computer.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, the immunocompromise thing was accurate, already folks who oughta know better, on old planet, asked me if i'd host a powerranger idiot repo 'for trb'
asciilifeform: well yes, fella falling from the empire state building is a bit occupied, too busy to build a chute.
asciilifeform: i will give example pertaining to bignum/crypto
asciilifeform: i will give example, of the precious few 'gifts of the learned monks',
asciilifeform: better example, bear with me:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu thinks 'nominal attempt' - as in 'hasty justification because asciilifeform had indigestion and was inclined to harp on mircea_popescu for no good reason' ?
asciilifeform: phf: aha, mine also. so far the data is discouraging - who the fuck, for example, is aegis ?
asciilifeform: but note, i did predict, classical b-a will die an immunocompromised death, without mircea_popescu's ddt spray
asciilifeform: the concept of 'this here's the log' will not compute in gossipworld.
asciilifeform: (a reasonably-healthy, well-fed grown man can crank out 100W, 200 - in bursts. employ reddit!11)
asciilifeform: l0l that thing looks just like the 'stairmaster' gizmo they pumped medieval organs with
asciilifeform: nor does the outcome have any serious impact on reality.
asciilifeform: lives, iirc, under the heel of his wife (i could be mistaken, but did get this impression from the 4-5 h we spent together)
asciilifeform: phf: i actually met TaT in meatspace, at mircea_popescu's c2. we sat in the airport together in the end. i got the impression that he was 'ok guy' but somewhat lacked... courage.
asciilifeform: notice the 'hitler-compliant!11' sticker on bottom right hand.
asciilifeform: on a happy note, appreciate how much ~aggressive sanity~ is baked into ada. it is routine, for example, to program ~without a heap~ !
asciilifeform: because items like 'no overflows, fuck off', 'standard and rationale books', 'i can compile this by hand', or 'i can saw the binary open in ida and it is pretty clear what chunk of asm corresponds to what line of src' are NOT NEGOTIABLE.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2016#1440527 << because motherfucking 1980?? or if you prefer, because it's an ancient gcc frontend? or, if neither satisfies, because its the only compiled lang with knobs to ease binary auditing?
asciilifeform: i care about wars between reddits about as much as i care about the competing anthills in the forest.
asciilifeform: 'n the first ARM project I did, based on a TMS ARM M3 implementation, we found 2 bugs in the CPU and 4 in the GPU. These will actually never be corrected - the chips have already been declared obsolete, and new ones are out, with their own bugs. Sometimes the very implementation is asking for it - the last ARM-based MPU I used could easily be set to have memory cycles that end before they even start, completely needles and idi
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2016#1440210 >> 'A France-based Usenet provider says that his service has been raided and shutdown by the police. The 5,000 user 'Newsoo' service appears to have been a labor of love for its owner, but all data is now in the hands of authorities after he was arrested. A long-standing complaint by anti-piracy outfit SACEM appears to have been the trigger.' << what's next, 'last jewish s
asciilifeform: 'A number of IETF standards groups are currently in the process of applying the second-system effect to redesigning their crypto protocols. A major feature of these changes includes the dropping of traditional encryption algorithms and mechanisms like RSA, DH, ECDH/ECDSA, SHA-2, and AES, for a completely different set of mechanisms, including Curve25519 (designed by Dan Bernstein et al), EdDSA (Bernstein and colleagues), Poly
asciilifeform: 'The person who pushed the commit is Gerhard Rieger who is the same person who fixed it a year later. In the comment he refers to an Oracle employee at the time who has yet to comment on his mistake. It also seems like his github account and his personnal websites were deleted the day this security advisory was published.
asciilifeform: moar lulz: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-23/rockefellers-dump-exxon-holdings-that-made-family-s-fortune
asciilifeform: hey it worked for medieval cathedrals. but this is fair complaint. if you like speed, go to the races, not to me, i am the turtle.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: fwiw you got my - because you refuse to quit shitting in the kitchen. i waited for weeks, thinking you would tire of it, but no dice. if you want to constructively nemesis mp, start a blog, ffs.
asciilifeform: mp may have dropped a cig, and lit the forest on fire. some of us tried to help stamp out the flames. others - fanned them.
asciilifeform: trinque: i am beginning to see mp's pov on this, now.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suppose that if we imitate republican spain long enough, mp will take his ball and go home, and there will be no l1 etc.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: and here i was thinking i could at least achieve championship as arse.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if tomorrow mircea_popescu decides that i am an imbecile and never speaks to me again, i will build exactly same items. and even offer him free sample!
asciilifeform: jurov: imho that would be an improvement
asciilifeform: trinque: but simply ~payout~
asciilifeform: if either ALONE would have satisfied the creditors, they were then idempotent !
asciilifeform: nubbins`: your contention is that it was impossible for the windfall recipients to return it ?
asciilifeform: e.g., tearing apart jungle temple, burying the remains - in shit, banana peels.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: monkeys accomplish plenty. just not anything you would want.
asciilifeform: i can't see how the scumbags who pocketed the doublespend and then whined about bet payout delay, are not accomplices in the murder of bbet.
asciilifeform: straddling the asymptote.
asciilifeform: what's the threshhold for jumping off cliff ? is it when you splat? when you're in freefall? when you stop the car? when brushing your teeth that morning, thinking 'cliff..' ???
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438635 << one of the ways we get komyooonisms is that 'divide it all among the scum equally' is 'THE SIMPLEST' algo in the world.
asciilifeform: and introducing 'what if there were some agreement re: n+1th etc' is the place where unwarranted assumptions are made
asciilifeform: well, he ampered it, at least, and i did some of the maxwellizing and pretty much all of the heavisiding.
asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: you are in good company, i also do not use bitcoin with any appreciable frequency...
asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: this is not the important bit. a collision will successfully interfere with the function of automated vtrons, e.g., one where patches are thrown into a hopper unattended
asciilifeform: making them feel inadequate simply for being who they are—salt of the earth Americans, racist, bigoted, small-minded, parochial, willfully ignorant, armed to the teeth and proud of it. There is very little that the régime can ask of these people, because the response to every possible ask is “no, because we hate you.”'
asciilifeform: 'As I said, the Washington régime is just as hated within the US as it is around the world, if not more. Trump's slogan of “Make America great again!” may sound overly ambitious, but what if his promise is to make America great again at exactly one thing—throwing members of the Washington régime on the ground and stomping on their heads until they pop? I am pretty sure that he can get this done.'
asciilifeform: ada isn't, contrary to appearances, simply a 'bloated c' though.
asciilifeform: trinque: nowhere in what crapple sells is there to be found anything posing so much as a temporary annoyance to hitler.
asciilifeform: which is why the gossip model of wot is the correct one, where there is no attempt at global/'canonical' state, but only a series of questions, which folks may choose to answer - or not - depending on who asks.
asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu had a good article, iirc, on this. it was the last gasp of the 'my computer is mine and i know how it works' era.
asciilifeform: there are reasons why my first act re trb was to exterminate all compatibility with microshit
asciilifeform: and, importantly, ~fails~ to break things that oughta break
asciilifeform: though i considered, brifly, hijacking the high bits of the timestamp 32b field for it
asciilifeform: (e.g., lamport signature; burn & verify eproms; etc)
asciilifeform: i once decided to determine the simplest box that could be assembled from readily-available (preferebly, sov-block) components, that could GENERATE and OPERATE a reasonable onetimepad.
asciilifeform: they also contained various custom i/o, that is gnarly, of heavy incidental complexity, and - importantly - cannot be had in new production
asciilifeform: mod6: and i probably ought to point out that 'quality random' was baked long ago, ben_vulpes actually took a sample unit home after c3...
asciilifeform: mod6: last week i finally built... a computer.
asciilifeform: well, the implicit 'i swear with my life to this' - leaves me reluctant to sign anything i did not write 100% of
asciilifeform: http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected << see, for example.
asciilifeform: but to make sure that certain situations are impossible
asciilifeform: as in the given example with mircea_popescu and vintage bitcoin
asciilifeform: trinque: and what if not tarnish, but the simple-attest-without-approval ?
asciilifeform: right now i am stuck simply ~refusing to sign~ as a means of expressing disapproval
asciilifeform: (pops up a spam with 'your browser is infected!111 call this toll free number!11 complete with faux 'bsod' with vague mac theme, etc)
asciilifeform: programmer has uniquely unpleasant profession, in the sense that even coal miner enters into a kind of numb routine, but with computer you can be gangbanged into a different orifice that you never knew you had, every day
asciilifeform: normally i'm the one who immediately 'notion of computing!11'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every natural-language whateverthefuck attempt looked like, at best, RACTOR.
asciilifeform: eclipse is not a compiler
asciilifeform: complexity is only defined for ~unknowns~
asciilifeform: this is actually much harder than it appears, because there must also be a proof that the PARTICULAR INSTANCES of the problem you make use of are ~likewise~ of the worst AVERAGE CASE complexity
asciilifeform: soo it goes in the kbd. luckily ps/2 is very simple to talk in, you can use , e.g., a 16f84
asciilifeform: iirc gimp once used it, but now has the latter
asciilifeform: can't simply resolder
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436543 << there is no provision for anything of the kind in trb, beyond the barbaric expedient of a tx which throws exception during processing simply not being stored
asciilifeform: speaking of jews, there is an english edition of the infamous 'jewish exam problems' compendium.
asciilifeform: 'In an apartment on Manhattan a couple of friends from the New York upper-class meet almost every night to talk about social mobility, play bridge and discuss Fourier's socialism; the cynic Nick, the philosophical Charlie, party girl Sally and austenite Audrey. They are joined by Tom. His background is much simpler and he is critical of their way of life. But he finds a soul mate in Audrey, who without his knowledge falls in l
asciilifeform: the other thing is that compactness forces one to think about the essentials.
asciilifeform: my internal mp also says 'just because you have a pistol which knows how to fire bullets at people you don't like, it does not follow that there must also exist an antipistol which sucks out bullets from people you like'
asciilifeform: if it is not obvious that this is the only meaninngful decomposition (and it thus far is ~not~ to me!) than the gedankenexperiment fails.
asciilifeform: understand, i was looking for ~the~ decomposition of the hypothetical vector.
asciilifeform: and yes, internal-mp says 'stop trying to finesse the basic use case of the forum, don't take the rifle fishing'
asciilifeform: but the gedankenexperiment of course offers no simple answer to this. just a possible component of one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how many amps to put on a single breaker is typically not 'rocket surgery' and printed thereupon
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435981 << i will not say that this is impossible, but i would actually like to watch somebody do it
asciilifeform: also i would like to watch mp or anyone actually ~do~ the 'hand verify' thing.
asciilifeform: 'I did fight things out in court. It just occurred in secret, and while a proper description would require the use of vulgarity, I'll summarize by saying I was railroaded. The length of time between when I received the PRTT order, and when I was found in contempt (ex parte) was about 5 weeks. For comparison the /median /time between filing and disposition of a civil contempt charge in federal court during 2013 was 6 /months/.'
asciilifeform: and every time i try to explain to him that his notion of 'text' is ill-defined and the actual mechanics, as implemented in unix world and elsewhere, are malignantly retarded
asciilifeform: Mr. Popescu was not an MP then, << l0l
asciilifeform: so when $random-ba-visitor proposes doing something idiotic with financitronics, mircea_popescu says 'this is moronic' and this is a-ok, because financitronics is a mircea_popescu-competence. when i say 'this is moronic' and subj is electronics, then i am on crack?
asciilifeform: i have whole shelf of 1950s b00kz in 'computing' section of my library. they are spiffy & useful.
asciilifeform: 'don't eat from dumpsters' (tm) (r) (mp)
asciilifeform: hm yeah, crowd gotta hold still long enough to enjoy an impalement
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how come nobody seems to get impaled in the arab lands ? assyrians, iirc, are thought to have ~invented~ the fucking stake!111 why no impale ?!11
asciilifeform: an i am, approx., a pro amputator.
asciilifeform: idea being that if you heat it to melt the lead out, you destroy the temper.
asciilifeform: but simply takes a piece of film.
asciilifeform: and dies after a period of time, the attached process running on the computer is terminated or killed. Warning: psplague can result in a more or less instantaneous hard crash.'
asciilifeform: 'Inspired by Julian Oliver's psworld, psplague further explores the links between environment (simulation) and code. Rather than mapping a computer's internal processes onto visual features in the world (as in the case of psworld), in this instance (psplague) UNIX-like processes are attached to medieval villagers within a simple SIR (susceptible, infected, recovered) model of plague infection. When a villager becomes infected
asciilifeform: 'If codes can fuck your computer, where’s the porn that depicts them?' << him
asciilifeform: t barely touch the skin of the hand. The repetitive rhythms of changing operational codes, as an application for example initialises its opening state, are translated into the hypnotic, up and down movements of the needle (making use in the second prototype of a CD-ROM ejection mechanism), appearing somewhat like the slowed, jerked motions of a sewing machine.'
asciilifeform: 'Inspired in part by a cursory reading of Kafka's short story, In the Penal Colony, in which a complex executable mechanism, its workings and social procedure, are described, a mechanism which inscribes the sentence (of the law) directly on the skin of the 'Condemned Man', pain registers attempts to directly translate or transfer the operational codes which are running on a computer's CPU (Central Processing Unit) in 'real tim
asciilifeform: 'The Dark Interpreter is influenced and guided by body capacitance, skin resistance, biological micro-voltages and the fleshy conduction of all signals. These are ways of saying that the Dark Interpreter is completely open. It is not to be considered as a closed and bounded device which is subject to an exterior control "by the body." The Dark Interpreter is an electronic and thus earthy shadow of the body, it is (inside) the
asciilifeform: they are built with the assumption that i will eventually be cokemachined personally and somehow made to fight for the nazis.
asciilifeform: bonus if the photo slide is ~composable~
asciilifeform: and lamps - to read.
asciilifeform: in the old dayz, you could actually buy eprom burners that were not, in the ordinary sense, computerized
asciilifeform: i've thought for many years about such tools. decomputerize, if you will, as much of the critical 'nuke launch' loop as possible.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the one which nobody ended up dumping massive qty of, the price of - not tanked, etc
asciilifeform: and contemplating trbtronics, rather than praying to vishnu ?
asciilifeform: ah the not-caring olympics l0l
asciilifeform: i can see it already: harem gurl: 'i stepped on rusty nail!' mircea_popescu: 'here's an impregnation, perhaps after 20 generations your descendants will have shell armour on their feet'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu lives on mt olympus with the other godz and naturally gives not a fuck
asciilifeform: pretty much all i know about mpb comes from these !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by implication, from various mircea_popescu gripes about tx-sending.
asciilifeform: (not with own hands, naturally, but whatever makes mpb)
asciilifeform: like most kompyooooting claptrap.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: knapsack problem is this np-complete boojum for which you can, yes, have various crapsack approximations
asciilifeform: incidentally every time i open my idiot mouth and talk to colleagues, another one of my 'every boy must have...' assumptions drops like a fucking fly.
asciilifeform: this is more or less a safe assumption.
asciilifeform: 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yerself around a bit'
asciilifeform: not ntirely unrelatedly, usg is doing an impromptu collapse drill under the guise of fire inspection, and closes the whole motherfuckng subway for 24h
asciilifeform: 'from now on we sit on all we steal so we can dump in a decade' ?
asciilifeform: (last night for example i formally turned down the 'encouragement' to try out for 'top secret' and may very well be sacked eventually because of it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the advantage is that we become distinguishable from the usual idiot attempts at self-enrichment.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that was the implication? unless i'm thick
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433600 << go ahead and plug the mains cord into your arse if you want. but then complain to somebody else, not to me, when the bulb doesn't light.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433181 << i was referring to the massive coinz that move on mpex. dark matter.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433143 << this ~will~ come, which is reason no. 1,001 why there can be ~no~ compromise with the enemy.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433133 << it is not entirely impossible for the dead to surprise the living. ask an archaeologist.
asciilifeform: to contemplate such a thing.
asciilifeform: jurov: microcomp was an unexpected thing
asciilifeform: from the pov of the 1970s central planner lizards, the turn from 'pay per cpu cycle' timesharing phyootoore to personal comp was a mistake
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433374 << naturally, not ~all~ software, and definitely not all hardware, given as there still has to be earth for all the swamp to stand on
asciilifeform: comparing sending a 0fee tx to pushing pirate ?!
asciilifeform: but rather consists of titanic numbers moving on mpex.
asciilifeform: though i admit that i always thought meta-assets consisted wholly (other than mp) of pretty gurlz
asciilifeform: but i will point out, i see this entire story (the bbet meltdown) though 'shoemaker' eyes, and i never had any idea, whether jurov and kako were part of mircea_popescu's actual inner circle, i.e. folks who actually move serious coin around, privy to how mpb works, physically met his intelligence agents, etc. or not.
asciilifeform: mpoe, trading solely with itself ?!
asciilifeform: trinque: the actual market value of my prospecting is, empirically, ~0.
asciilifeform: trinque: and it is not impossible to buy my time, just that it is not ~practical~ for anyone i consider worthwhile. because it is sold only in very large parcels, and is not cheap. but this is beside the point.
asciilifeform: that is, as i understand, mircea_popescu's 'bbet consumed megatonnes of grade-A mptronium which i supplied at no cost, and now people expect be to also put in coin for phree?!'
asciilifeform: PeterL: poor example, the extant miners somehow agreed not to mine high-S
asciilifeform: perhaps this is a failure of my puny brain, but i am at a loss as to what assurance mircea_popescu could possibly have had, and from whom, that there is not a prb vermin between mpb-net and the miner.
asciilifeform: the 'lighter weight', parsimonious hypothesis is that mpb-net was bamboozled by sybils. rather than miners.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not actually my business how mircea_popescu transmits his tx, but since he chose to present the bbet matter in the tmsr public forum, rather than limiting it to folks 'whose business it is', i will say, that the mpb (client and network both) is a serious ?????? in the story. i have nfi how it works, and imho it actually matters for making sense of the observations.
asciilifeform: sybils putting transactions in their pocket and lying about the contents of their mempool, works.
asciilifeform: at no point did i state a belief in 'imperceptible miners', just observing that the miner collusion is not a necessary hypothesis re the bbet event.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is synthesis from earlier threads where you stated that yes, there are sybils, but your octopus of mpb connecting to various trusted folks, incl. over crypted links, is not sybilable
asciilifeform: the number is simply to ensure that folks connecting at random, in public toilets, end up with a thick layer of sybil between them and the statistically probable genuine non-gangrenous flesh somewhere far away.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: or was the idea that it ~ought to be~ successful enough to be able to cover any loss with simply the profit from any particular month ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but thus far i don't see how the bet is difficult to resolve. the presumption is that the game was legit, no? barring actual proof of shenanigans ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, it was, in the copies, a mega-l0l quite comparable to the false asceticism of medieval monks
asciilifeform: he, afaik, simply did not have the tastes with which he could enjoy a reward for his work.
asciilifeform: or how to remove antitamper on a 'butterfly'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: hanbot's advice was derived from working with mptronics
asciilifeform: no, srsly, mp's elbow button aside, who is the example nubbins` would have us learn from ?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i thought you did not believe that mpoe was a market ?
asciilifeform: it is simply 'throw infinite money at decade-old algos'
asciilifeform: other champs already lining up to play
ascii_field: ( for example )
ascii_field: 'This line of credit carries seniority above that of shareholders and below that of bettors.' was mircea_popescu's earlier verdict, but now 'Bitbet's liabilities are currently comprised of various bills (such as the 17.94766149 BTC it owes as per this report, such as whatever fee it may owe the receiver for his trouble, and others as may arise), which are the most senior ; with the remainder to go to payouts to th
ascii_field: eventually either the lizards will move, or mircea_popescu will grow tired of me, or my health simply gives out, and mircea_popescu will have to learn ada and relearn numbertheory himself...
ascii_field: jurov: since you mentioned it, i will explain that i can be taken off the gameboard in any of 1,001 different simple ways, by the lizards, and i have no defense, and that you and the rest should expect this to happen sooner or later and study accordingly
asciilifeform: which is why i do not succumb to the temptation of maintaining a public linux flavour, for instance
asciilifeform: its correct implementation is definitionally impossible
asciilifeform: it is the very example of Things That Must Die
asciilifeform: aaaand that's where i jump off that train into the underbrush and join up with the partizans.
asciilifeform: tely stupid. He understands that Russia’s overall position in the world is significantly diminished. And the fact that he invades Crimea or is trying to prop up Assad doesn’t suddenly make him a player. You don’t see him in any of these meetings out here helping to shape the agenda. For that matter, there’s not a G20 meeting where the Russians set the agenda around any of the issues that are important.”'
asciilifeform: '“The truth is, actually, Putin, in all of our meetings, is scrupulously polite, very frank. Our meetings are very businesslike. He never keeps me waiting two hours like he does a bunch of these other folks.” Obama said that Putin believes his relationship with the U.S. is more important than Americans tend to think. “He’s constantly interested in being seen as our peer and as working with us, because he’s not comple
asciilifeform: mega-orc problem - iron rebar hook in parking lot of shady restaurant, gutted bumper ~on way out~
asciilifeform: or what, swift operators swore to vishnu to tell the truth and only the complete truth ?
asciilifeform: anyway i don't do amulets, much as mircea_popescu is convinced of this. i ~might~ entertain laughably inaccurate hypothesis about whatevers, when i have no access (unlike to the inside of a computer) to the priors.
asciilifeform: it cannot all by itself 'make life impossible' for anyone.
asciilifeform: a device of sympathetic magic ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a trump would be electable if he could be certain of not picking up the microphone and prattling about rothchildren
asciilifeform: if incompetence is indistinguishable from wrecking, it ~IS~ wrecking.
asciilifeform: i suppose it was all incompetence.
asciilifeform: he is giving you impure material.
asciilifeform: hearn is just an incompetent ?
asciilifeform: nor is any organization ever seriously pwned except via substantial humint component.
asciilifeform: instead of simple launder by usg.
asciilifeform: at least room temperature cheese one will never buy by chance.
asciilifeform: !s room would be empty
asciilifeform: why the fuck would i rent a gigantic mansion just to silence computer.
asciilifeform: for offspring you need sane world + economic surplus (at least at the not-being-in-labour-camp level)
asciilifeform: !s dumplings
asciilifeform: i still have nfi how #b-a search actually worx, it certainly is not grep-compat.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430262 << i was moved to this chimp reservation as 9yo, this was in old thread, aha
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: l0l wats this, led lamps?
asciilifeform: but swamp is one of the two kolymas where they have asciilifeforms toil to mine uranium for the 5yearplan
asciilifeform: spring is ~1 week long in the swamp.
asciilifeform: (precious little of this here in the swamps)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2016#1430137 << getting out of bed every day is a fucking compromise for me.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i've even seen ones with tube amp !