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(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: how old are you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: and live one more year and then one more year and another quite the same? fwiw, in all the above there isn't anywhere even the slightest trace of considering also... what is missing/not there, the negative spaces.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: is that work more interesting than anything you can find around tmsr or how do you reason there since money doesn't even enter? it's rather...puzzling let's say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002552 - ftr this is precisely the sort of dissonance that will break you in the end.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and if they do? (also: what sort of thing would make you want to stay? remember those negative spaces too...)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the above re after phd; otherwise in phd vs junior dev, the phd I'd say wins *anyway*, simply because more mind-space that is worth more in itself, even if the pay wasn't better.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what I meant is: 1. clear plan re "how much more do I want before exit and what's max timeframe I think I can still stay here without being sucked into the chumpatron/bottle/drugs/whatever-you-do-down-the-slope" 2. what options for that can I find when looking at ALL options I can think of 3. projection + comparison
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz, that's not what I meant
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: did you actually run the numbers re "bring me more money"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, that "make your own hours and cut your own work to some degree" was one of the few good things I still recall from academia, indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: why germany then?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: what are the plans after that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: are you done with that PhD? or doing it in/with industry?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter, asking people to keep your secrets is essentially asking them for a favour so not sure how you reason there that it's in my interest rather than yours
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: why the secrecy though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: you know I realised I don't even actually know your name? would you mind some probing?
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: lolz! was that one of those "modern art events" thing or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to how long... you know exactly how much you have to atone to yourself for but probably 3 posts is a minimum.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the "rawer" you can make it, the more the gain for you (and through several avenues as you go deeper AND you'll remember it - that's one role of pain - more afterwards and steer away from it, hopefully)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: hm, I'd say along the lines of a weekly post dissecting on a specific instance of this sort of wasting away towards derealisation; with the stark description of the specific instance and why you won't indulge in it again pretty much.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: sounds sensible.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie while it might be comparatively easy to learn, it provides way less support for your reasoning and expression
(ossasepia) diana_coman: rather "thin" language
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the answer to that is rather long but in a nutshell: because the alignment of the republic is much closer to Latin than to English (and that's in a deeper sense than "just language"); and to flesh this out for you just a tiny bit: a. English has a very poor a. record regarding actual learning and development; contrast the English-speaking empire + colonies with the previous (and much more durable, at that) Latin world b. English is also a
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: do you mean why is the grant in Latin?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: why what?
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1: that sounds like a later step really; it makes sense to first genesis as that's quite some work too anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: at any rate, before "what task", you'll need to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002518 ;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002516 - there was nothing about "getting that operational quickly" for sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002514 - so stop suspecting and instead, just install Cuntoo, do the comparison to find out the differences and write it down properly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and since this will be a licensed castle too, there will be the proper rankings as well (pageboy as entry level, squire as middle level and knight at graduation)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if anyone else is interested, speak up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack, tanami - the above is valid for you too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: have a look around, ask any questions you need to ask and if/when you decide you want to submit to training here, say so.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: this castle of mine here is made precisely to train people up, as far as they can go; the About page on http://younghands.club/ gives a brief description ; there's the outreach category on my blog, related to this too http://ossasepia.com/category/dark-modern-ages/outreach/
(trilema) diana_coman: ave1: a script to set the flags seems fine with me; I don't really see any other sensible option either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because it is wasting and on the path to derealisation, nothing more, no matter how pleasant that nice warm water the you-frog found
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-next-phases-of-escape/?b=wasting&e=#select - fwiw, it's very aptly put but also very sinful; one of those things for which you'll really have to do penance if you haven't done it already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what do you want to get from being here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002492 - if by "build system" you mean autoconf and make and all that shit, uhm; if you want to do something useful in this direction of builds, you should install cuntoo
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as in properly, on your blog, not in snippets here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002490 - hello jfw ; the mysql version is *frozen* at that, I won't upgrade to whatever; you can ofc spend your time investigating the buildup of nonsense over any versions you want but it's worth anything only to the extent you actually document it
(trilema) diana_coman: or I suppose "won't help if you don't ask" ; doh.
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw from what you say ^ and next quote, it sounds like you have some more time with them, if you want it, yes; onth *you* said earlier that they are extremily volatile so either a. they are so you can't rely on what "seems" or b. they aren't and you should re-evaluate your evaluation process
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002478 - that is something only you can answer really; it was you who considered the situation totally unsustainable, it is you who are there, so you'll have to (re-)evaluate and decide; but mind that you consider what is not what would be comfortable if it were.
(trilema) diana_coman: nope, I don't think it should be in
(trilema) diana_coman: everyone can talk, it's a learning thing
(trilema) diana_coman: #o does not have a voice
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, precisely.
(trilema) diana_coman: splitting into separate key doesn't yet make any sense to me
(trilema) diana_coman: well, the roles are what matter, no? ie it's peers talk; if today peers are marked with 9 and tomorrow with 11, such is history
(trilema) diana_coman: something like that; I have no idea re exact numbers but as approach
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw it wasn't just /me reaching for "hm, that might fit in this here hole"
(trilema) diana_coman: if you say it's not any and all to talk, the q is : who to talk?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: would a threshold on your rating of the person make more sense?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 - this would be great because I've been quite apprehensive of rating pageboys at all because it comes with talking-rights here while they are not yet ready.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936040 - hey, glad to hear it actually! it was wholesome food (and no maffs-doctor here, fwiw the maffs in it are undergraduate level I'd say, not more).
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935997 - makes sense; and it's precisely why I'd see it as a sign of disease btw because it... is.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: can't hurt to ask, for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so then... aim for it.
(trilema) diana_coman: ha, there should be a botbot :P ty asciilifeform for the list, I'll update mine too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002457 - my own sort of inb4; see urban dictionary I guess.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002456 - the more of it that comes to foreground and is made public, the more others can help perhaps; other than that, yes - continuous work on it until you are there; note though that a plan is needed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002455 - that + more concrete data on subsistence options ie where & how much; don't limit here to can/india either - or if you do, say why.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002453 - that's on the slippery slope of self-excuses, pay attention.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and well, you were playing a game and it was perceived as a game, not that surprising; people are quite good of this sort of perception; as to "why", that is not perception but reason + applying it to you specifically so forget it, ofc they couldn't be arsed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's the trouble with not having a solid structure and clear processes to rely on: you are left wondering just who is the idiot.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter, don't spend too much time with idiots either, it's unhygienic.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: solution is simple: don't work with idiots.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, for one thing and regardless of all the rest, you still *are* challenging the authority there so not much loyalty *to the person*; sure, you are loyal to the business; at any rate the whole thing does sound like "working with idiots" so ...not worth banging head over it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: eh, sounds like "problem needed my help".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter - what are you looking for as "recognition of loyalty"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: by the sound of it (and fitting previous accounts from you), you tend to construct too much on thin air ie in your mind only; all those translations you made don't have a very solid basis.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: take your time
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: other than fief-interest and quest-likes, any trouble with the rest?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: heh, fief was part of vassalage and not always/mandatory; again, a matter between X and Y.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: yep, all of it really depends on the people involved, absolutely; that's why there is no such thing as "x is happy to be a slave/knight" but there IS such a thing as "X is more than happy to be a slave/knight to Y"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: knights were mounted cavalry, yes, mainly because that's what "heavy fighting machine" meant in that particular age
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: note that beyond the definitions/codes/whatever and like with each and any relationship, the outcome and actual experience always and inevitably depends on the people involved, nothing else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002409 - this should be in fact either help+advice for loyalty+support when and as asked or protection+help+advice for obeisance (as in doing as told, not courtly gestures only) + loyalty+support
(ossasepia) diana_coman: just don't get bitter over it - get instead better!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: all the above being said, competition and being competitive is absolutely FINE and PROPER
(ossasepia) diana_coman: every time you "feel insulted", it's in fact some insecurity of your own that comes to light; nothing to do with the "insult"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: don't wrestle with it, study it; look at precisely what and where and why it affects you, because there is always in fact some hole in *you* that resonates out in that particular form; btw, it's the same thing when you "feel insulted", since it came up quite a few times in your writing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: rounding up the feudal code, knights, slaves and all that: progression is always possible, of course, like in any human relationship; however, there are some bits that normally (ie unless catastrophic breakout) remain quite fixed, namely protection+help+advice from the master and loyalty+support when and as asked in return
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002391 - one cure to this comes quite naturally when you are too busy with your own shit to have time for jealousy :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: there is very little new under the sun, in other words: people have always needed mentors to learn from and as such, the relationships are still essentially the same, under one name or another and more explicit or less, depending on the age.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: normally after granting/receiving freedom, the relationship simply moves on to a different stage that is effectively closer to vassalage above though less formal perhaps
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and whether/when a slave is freed is entirely up to the master too - basically when and if the master considers that the slave deserves it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the crucial difference is that a slave pledges himself *entirely* as in fully, to the master to do with him as the master considers best (the expression is "pleases").
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: now if you want to go further back to get to a working slave system aka pretty much the Romans, there were plenty of freed slaves that went on to become ~everything, yes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as for the feudal relationship of vasselage - the core of it would be that : a. the lord offers protection and guidance, possibly also a fief b. the vassal in return pledges unconditional loyalty and support when asked for it (in pretty much whatever form is asked for)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the other, it was quite a lot of training anyway and only the last stage was effectively direct training with a mentor
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for one thing, not just anyone could even train to become a knight
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: anyway, the core of the code was essentially what you'd call now a "code of conduct" but otherwise and more to the point, an attempt to state the relationship between lord (liege/master) and knight (as lower, trained nobility)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbf, I suppose I should have said page or at most squire since that's the proper title for knight-in-training; at this rate I'll end up drawing a flag and writing down the whole thing, ha.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that's more of a rather confused description of the situation at some point in the Dark Ages, than anything to do with the feudal code itself
(trilema) diana_coman: that should help, ty.
(trilema) diana_coman: I keep getting the order wrong on those damned [] and so having to check it every time
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: as in: had nothing to read before breakfast! at all, eleventy11!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-12#1002339 - btw the reason why I pointed out this particular bit is precisely because from what I read - since not yet actually seen - of you, it stuck out as not-you (more like something still sticking to you).
(trilema) diana_coman: how come no log though, weird
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: :p
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935856 - fix deployed; and thank you lobbes for the fix!
(trilema) diana_coman: nm, works now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: metoo!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: are you even familiar with what the feudal code was about?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as you said earlier: it frees up some resources
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dunno, some prefer to be slaves, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what? lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as in feudal relationships if you want
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I suppose you are more my knight rather than my slave
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and even there, well.."obey" ; as in you sort of maybe do what they asked IF you think it's ok
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to an employer you obey within a single context
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for one thing, the commitment on both sides is way bigger; for the other, you can't really have two masters at the same time, ever (if you "do" then it's more likely you are just working 2 jobs)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, that's the superficial, not the essential, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: perhaps it's clearer put whether you can stand to be fully free or not; links back to the causes and purposes, remember?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you are confusing master with ...employers
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: for that matter, the stock warrants are something you need to understand in order to understand a big part of how money-from-eulora (other than directly as char in the game) tends to work
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yes, it's not something that earns you bread *today*, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the big current opening and the one that I thought might be interesting to you is re graphics: not necessarily making the art yourself but rather building up and running the needed infrastructure for the art market
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes has built for example the auction bot precisely for and from eulora needs; that it found afterwards further use is not unusual,either.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the open options in middle/long term are building up useful things for the player base
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that however is just one approach (and not that easy either)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: at any rate, in game as a character, you are competing at all times with the other players
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw, atm eulora is basically waiting for a whole load of stuff to be done before things really get moving again.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: re eulora and making money from it: on one hand there is the game itself in which you are effectively making money to the extent that you understand the game better than the other players
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: my pointing out to you the "make money from" was a bit of mirror-holding and pointing out what you didn't seem to have noticed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: lol; the more you understand, the better you see, that's about as much as can be said about it; everyone has "crystal ball" - just some got to clear it more and some got to make it even foggier than the thikest fog.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re being a master though, I'd say it's one of those things - when/if you are one, you'll know; before that you can of course bang your head on "I want to be one" and shout loudly as to why it doesn't work, plenty do precisely that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it is true however that it's not all that easy or clear or straightforward to figure out what one really is.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this is why I was saying that it's not about becoming me or someone else - I'll never try to make someone else some version of me because they will be way better as their true selves
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, the advantage of striving to fulfill exactly what you are made for is that you'll be better at that than at anything else; but *all* of this is really by comparison to yourself (potential versions, let's say), not to someone else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the best *version of yourself*, that's the "best you can be"; it's not that much about quantity of something but rather about... substance in the sense of what you are made (as in from nature if you want) to be, if that makes sense to you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: most startups fail, certainly; it's not a choice in the sense that you know already the outcome
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-12#1002317 - more like making an orchard vs foraging the land for fruit to sell (or even just planting trees)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so ask.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so in this sense, you don't have all possible choices, nobody does
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: growth depends on the person too, it's not like anyone can grow into anything at all.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: hm, kind of weird, in all #trilema logs no actions??
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ok, added to the ever-growing list.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: presumably he can talk for himself though? and ask for the help he needs re work, if he's here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: see the topic, it starts with "work".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: PeterL: sure, but if it's just for conversation you can keep reading; there are a few more lurkers around
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello PeterL, what brings you here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-12#1002290 - superficially that but it goes deeper; first along the lines of extracting wealth vs creating a source of wealth and second along the lines of aiming to have a master or to be a master; note that *both* options are equally valid and perfectly fine but you have to choose.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not that I have anything against CR as destination otherwise, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and given what wonderful cardboard constructions I saw right around the capital of Costa Rica, I doubt there's all that much electricity consumed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you do realise that a. industry is generally the main consumer b. "get power" says precisely nothing by itself; how much power do they actually consume is the relevant bit overall.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: learn to read stuff as it is, not as you'd like it to be and be very much aware of what is *not* said although it should be.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: not to mention that 98.1% of electricity from x can *also* be achieved by having very little electricity :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: right, as whaack says right in the next line
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-12#1002238 - wikipedia is not a source to rely on for anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-12#1002238 - it depends on where you live exactly; but why would you want to "put them in a bank" ? if you do, obv you'll have to pay a share of it for this dubious pleasure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-12#1002234 - sure, you might need to convert some from time to time, by finding someone who wants to buy bitcoins, as simple as that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw, "breaking your teeth" was asciilifeform's warning re ditching job now to live from ??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-12#1002232 - strictly speaking the "actual amount of earning via eulora" is unlimited; practically speaking the actual amount depends on *you* so nobody can answer such a question for you; the related part you need to answer first is http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002064
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahem, Sun 22/9/19.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so sure, Sun 22/8/19 works.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: when it's tricky to estimate, the rule is this: set some not-too-distant deadline and then *publish* whatever you have by that deadline; it might be a draft rather than final, sure; the point is that you have something by a clear date.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: not a bad option for the lisp-interested, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: alternatively, if you want me to help you with matching, you'll have to say a lot more about yourself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'd even say forget about "open tasks"; your goal is to map (even broadly) what is going on, so that you can then choose what matches you best
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: also, don't limit yourself to "open tasks", that's not the point; try to figure out directions/branches/parts rather; once that is clear, tasks can be found easily
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: good; what's your deadline for that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: cheers! and feel free to join in.
(trilema) diana_coman: meanwhile, after ~2 hours, I *finally* finished the log-reading of over-night logs, go me; it just strikes me that with #o I made myself even *more* to read, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: aha, looks active at least
(trilema) diana_coman: of the blog I mean, ofc.
(trilema) diana_coman: I can't find anything about the author(s?) there though, no contact no nothing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you know, if I still have to pull out stuff of you like a fucking dentist, I'll get a drill at least.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: do you have any specific further questions re your draft? do you need anything else to revise it? there isn't all that much until Sunday, yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw I wish you were, sure; still, you are not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: understand though that you have to ask *for help*; you are not yet in a position to "how can I help" , at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ack the above and ask for help if you need it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and part 3: based on 1 and 2 above, I'm very much interested in a,b,c,d etc , in *this order*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and part 2: take the time to go through all tmsr-things that you can find/figure out where to find and SUMMARISE that too: I looked in X and in Y and here's the list of things I found: t,p, r, etc. each of them with brief summary "this is my understanding re wtf this thing is"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you have a blog, right? Summarise there "I did x with y results; and z with t results etc"; link everything relevant, sure, but summarise the main points so that reader doesn't HAVE TO follow your links to figure out wtf you did
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose if could be some fun to extract the patterns of fudging but I can't say I see much point/would be arsed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002157 - inb8 shrysr wants to unleash machine learning on such data to extract precious knowledge out of the fudge :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002140 - it's not; the fact that you had the luck to find your way to just about the ~only place where yes, it is fundamental, doesn't mean that it's because "everyone knows it" or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002126 - ahahha; certifications, verifications, checks and all that - as long as there is nobody publicly and meaningfully taking responsibility, it'll be only empty labels, of course, what (and how) else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yes re alignment, that's why I've sent you to read it: because it fits and therefore you can use it as structure to start actually knowing yourself
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in other words, it's a descriptive piece, useful to understand a part of human activities, not a prescriptive thing "you should follow those steps"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002112 - the article describes a hierarchy of activities, not a "project"; ie you can do 1001 activities of type 1 (figuring out how stuff works) or not, it's not like a recipe of sorts
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002077 - hanbot is human, writes at thewhet.net; there's a list of blogs with description even (if you hover) on younghands.club, ahem.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: kind of curious whether/to what extent it makes sense to you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ahahaha, well, you are/were *both* right :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now that would be something: literally getting out the daily drill!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: uhm, so ...why didn't you become a dentist? do anything you want with a drill sounds not-bad
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: lol, so... western; Western even.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, so shrysr should visit asciilifeform for next dentist-appointment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to get shrysr properly sweating at least
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: do they still have those old chairs and clunky-drills that vibrate your brains out too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for the other thing you choose dentist just like you choose anything else, so pay and ask for what you want, what.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm, weird; for one thing: yes, I know full on pain dentists from childhood mostly but uhm, so...what? pain, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: he means that it won't work and you'll end up in bigger trouble.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002075 - ?? the whole point is to become the best he can be, not to become fucking me or bingo or someone else, ffs.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: meant: can't ignore it, sure, but can't just blanket-assume it either
(ossasepia) diana_coman: can't ignore it, sure, but just blanket-assume it either
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but whether break teeth or not, it largely depends on a. person b. situation
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, either you make a realistic picture or you "already familiar" assumption; anyway and ftr, I don't suggest to anyone to just "jump", no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: lmao; and MP? and hanbot and nicoleci?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 3.1 medical+dental -> aren't those waaaay cheaper in india when you pay for them yourself aka "private"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, all ..sorts of fire to play with.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you keep thinking everywhere in terms of "earn from"; are you aware of the implication of this? and for that matter, of the alternative to it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 6.1 is endearing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: 4.3 in your draft doesn't parse, I don't know what you are trying to say there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in fairness, I suppose you'd probably have gotten sucked in for longer.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: they want a bit of the same pie though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: doesn't look like anything special though; sure, send your data to us, not to google
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but again, what matters is what you do, in either case.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: for that matter I suppose in India you have the advantage of being perceived by default as smarter because you studied+worked abroad; conversely and from what you say, you have this in reverse, as a disadvantage in canada
(ossasepia) diana_coman: other than that, yes, be smarter than them, obviously.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: being one single instance, it's hard to have been your team, yes; the obs was more general, not for that particular instance, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: simplified, of course (because in practice it's a combination of both anyway, in both places)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the core of the difference between the two places is anyway one of systems vs relationships
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as in: are you the leader that they follow or not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: team effort, sure; the important part is quality of the team and if it's *your* team or not
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so in that case you are probably better off just being honest about it, find someone who agrees to actually own you and be done with it, at least that person will then *also* be committed to get the best out of you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the moment you need to hire someone just to "navigate the regulations" , you can be sure that they pretty much own you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is this saying around here: it works, if you work it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: by itself, it simply can't be, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re starting a business, mhm, iirc you..sold some kilos, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: yes, there are systems and frameworks that "support" *what they want you to do*; and if you haven't yet found out directly, you'll find quickly that ~same ones *also* stay in the way of anything you would actually want to do outside of them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in other words, that choice = choice of set of problems to deal with
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you have however the *choice of place*
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