ben_vulpes: stick around long enough and you'll either be made into ^ or spat out
    
    ben_vulpes: what are you talking about, more than any pantsuit 'big tent', you can make yourself into the kind of person who belongs here.
    
    ben_vulpes: who are you
    
    ben_vulpes: ohai quadsar
    
    ben_vulpes: !!up quadsar
    
    
    
    ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-5#350270 << http://archive.is/jp4kZ followed by...
    
    ben_vulpes: i have seen this, and it was a mistake to not follow suit.
    
    ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#350177 << well i checked it twice, changed something and then failed to check it again is what happened. so, must rework and restate.
    
    ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#350180 << aah, this makes sense. a liability, effectively. so i'll hafta rework this whole thing.
    
    ben_vulpes: lookit lobbes, already drafting his pitch. lobbes you're ~hired
    
    ben_vulpes eating log
    
    ben_vulpes: i gotta step away for a spell but will come back and address
    
    ben_vulpes: but go on about the numbers that interest you
    
    ben_vulpes: no not really, it's more interesting later on in the trajectory "revenues on assets of whatever"
    
    ben_vulpes: this is very much not standard practice tho, and imho better to show a conservative estimate of what assets are (losing value month by month) than to inflate possibly controversially the valance sheet
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's an accounting practice; we could in theory only depreciate the SSDs and hold the machines onthebooks forever to reflect your view that the iron doesn't actually lose value.
    
    ben_vulpes: mod6: ah that's correct
    
    ben_vulpes: heh you know precisely what i'm actually bitching about
    
    ben_vulpes: mk well let me know what doesn't make sense at your leisure
    
    ben_vulpes: right, that's exactly it.
    
    ben_vulpes: updooted for clarity.
    
    ben_vulpes: including existing
    
    ben_vulpes emerges into sunlight, blinks
    
    ben_vulpes: could i possibly induce you to set up a bouncer on the shared machine so i can tabcomplete your name after you close your laptop?
    
    ben_vulpes: thanks BingoBoingo
    
    ben_vulpes: aight, so i'm an uncivilized turd.
    
    ben_vulpes rubs hands excitedly
    
    ben_vulpes: what is better about this?
    
    ben_vulpes: trinque: yup makes sense
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: interesting
    
    ben_vulpes: fancy spreadsheet, i mean
    
    ben_vulpes: next month this all goes into a database
    
    ben_vulpes: hey trinque wouldja share your definition for bitcoin_amount
    
    ben_vulpes: genuinely thought that i had forgotten my kindergarten subtraction algorithms for a moment
    
    ben_vulpes: trinque: the error reproduces in the ios "pcalc" but not in the google calculator
    
    ben_vulpes: and no, unformatted, returning values to the repl
    
    ben_vulpes: i have a (setf *read-default-float-format* 'double-float) in my .sbclrc
    
    ben_vulpes: see the line i sent to candi_lustt just a moment ago
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm getting demonstrably wrong numbers out of sbcl when subtracting
    
    ben_vulpes: of course satoshi had to pick a number of decimals guaranteed to break everything in the world.
    
    ben_vulpes now hand-summing numbers
    
    ben_vulpes: well that only looks correct because of truncation, sbcl locally sez '8.75863727'
    
    ben_vulpes: !W (- 9.15831827 0.399861)
    
    ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
    
    ben_vulpes: i'm sitting here getting float errors out of everything but my pad of paper
    
    ben_vulpes: what do y'all use for summing big lists of bitcoin values?
    
    ben_vulpes gotta make some breakfast for other dependents, bbiab
    
    ben_vulpes: also this has to be in addition to icecream monies.
    
    ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recall many sticking points around the flat; wouldja enumerate? water heater, previous flatrental...?
    
    ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: i dun object; pizarro needs a better foundation than a writhing pile of chinches. i'd like to get a flat down there; this can consolidate the housing and desk expenses and provide i expect much needed moral uplift.
    
    ben_vulpes chewing through log
    
    ben_vulpes: tee hee hee
    
    ben_vulpes: douchebag: what *would* you upgrade a windows whatever whenever user to?
    
    ben_vulpes: ahahahaha
    
    ben_vulpes: it's a great honking core sample of modern compute shitstack
    
    ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: is alive btw
    
    ben_vulpes: i can't believe we're entertaining the notion of depriving the poor chinches
    
    ben_vulpes: ah shit i didn't even think about apartment as bunk + cowork replacement augh i'm so dumb
    
    ben_vulpes: have
    
    ben_vulpes: i'll poke him
    
    ben_vulpes: sound just like mine!
    
    ben_vulpes: the search, not the php
    
    ben_vulpes: not immediately, but yes.
    
    ben_vulpes: sure
    
    ben_vulpes: and yes i have thought about this and yes i want it quite badly
    
    ben_vulpes: mp solved this in trilema aeons ago; pay some bitcents get a cookie
    
    ben_vulpes: rockin
    
    ben_vulpes: getting there
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, 5 booked
    
    ben_vulpes: right on
    
    ben_vulpes: diana_coman: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/upqEn/?raw=true
    
    
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: will do
    
    ben_vulpes: aye aye
    
    ben_vulpes: thanks diana_coman, i will send you rockchip creds as soon as it's enrngified
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: roger
    
    ben_vulpes: !!v 42875025764AA303156A614D6FA1BCB186457A27CD341C0B7B2A508C707DFE21
    
    ben_vulpes: !!v DA63516A7ADBC08F2A1D5FA918FCE0F8832DA90C6300891246604E30CA994C7A
    
    ben_vulpes: mod6: gonna invoice you for the same term as your rockchip unless you object
    
    ben_vulpes: mod6: jokes, mircea_popescu freed up both cables!
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i mighta screwed that up; i cannot recall if they came in before or after i flew out.
    
    ben_vulpes: keep on with the lonely young male routine nobody's going to know that you've done anything until you show up on day 28 with lord only knows what
    
    ben_vulpes: so douchebag i set you up with a rockchip, what, thirteen days ago? assuming trinque is going to grace you the period until you had with what you claim you needed to do the promised research (which...mmmk), clock is fuckin tickin
    
    ben_vulpes: isn't he still on the hook for a trb dependency report?
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: heh me too; $girl floated it as a destination again, although i'm more interested in the chilean border area
    
    ben_vulpes: mod6: sure, i hear that we don't have with what to hook them up yet tho
    
    ben_vulpes: i would dearly like to see a .arsventure out of herr BingoBoingo
    
    ben_vulpes: http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << updooted with FG rental pricing
    
    ben_vulpes: diana_coman: $100 us/mo. ($75 if paid quarterly) for the rockchip, 0.00104167 per month for the FG once we have cabling.
    
    ben_vulpes: lol oh you mean just fabricate my own, ok
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: please send me a copy of the invoice; box in my inventory does not have such
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ack
    
    ben_vulpes: one sec diana_coman
    
    ben_vulpes wiggles eyebrows
    
    ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: rota?
    
    ben_vulpes: !!key Mocky
    
    ben_vulpes: yet
    
    ben_vulpes: not so direly short on disk so as to be reclaiming aggressively
    
    ben_vulpes: aha
    
    ben_vulpes: nono it's !!pay ben_vulpes 5
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "bitcoin corrupts"!
    
    ben_vulpes: so the cost prevents the ddos
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ddos vector neh
    
    ben_vulpes: and negrates terminate accounts?
    
    ben_vulpes: UY1 is currently an 'l2 only' tool, so definitionally everyone's gotta be at least gotta have a newblood rating
    
    ben_vulpes: still going to make folks get in the wot though, right?
    
    ben_vulpes: bw caps?
    
    ben_vulpes: mk, so hard disk caps, this is doable
    
    ben_vulpes: since we're on the topic, i want to float the notion of hosting-only plans in the $5/mo range; subscribers get an ftp user and files get served from pizarroisp.net/~wothandle/
    
    ben_vulpes: yesyes
    
    ben_vulpes: and heathens atop rockchips or heathens atop shared hosting
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your report or this is something you want me to calculate
    
    ben_vulpes: !!v F64C266E934366EB245C8C459F5027E6CCF2A3079AEC7F0017872E9F798846CD
    
    ben_vulpes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00270968 shared hosting for Mocky through dec 2018
    
    ben_vulpes: Mocky: link to an ssh key in #pizarro please
    
    ben_vulpes: it is *the* margin item
    
    ben_vulpes: not required but it is the next item on my conveyor after the april report
    
    ben_vulpes: sure
    
    ben_vulpes: it is a maaarvel
    
    ben_vulpes: pizarro report to go out tomorrow; chasing down one last invoice
    
    ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-2#346680 << other way around, actually. 0.5 for the fuckgoats, 0.4 for the machine
    
    ben_vulpes: !!v 6E828B39772E835FB4E67C5161D312D9A2D5606FE2B01883EE9B5DC47423DAE4
    
    ben_vulpes: !!v 84C8FD704EACBF40F6293C027AF433A5D07E8E6B9E657EAD3A8ECC867B86C63D
    
    ben_vulpes: blammo
    
    ben_vulpes: a beheading is a beheading though!
    
    ben_vulpes: honestly surprised you even engage with them
    
    ben_vulpes: those sound almost lulzier
    
    ben_vulpes: "please good sir to not make off with the one mote of joy in my life"?
    
    ben_vulpes: call what, though. what is it they want respected
    
    ben_vulpes: dynamics?
    
    ben_vulpes: everyone atop their own imagined battlements
    
    ben_vulpes: d'you ever encounter "omfg he's prowling the naive noobs!!!1"?
    
    ben_vulpes: please no closure datastructures
    
    ben_vulpes nfi
    
    ben_vulpes: heh
    
    ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: didja ever benchmark running mpwp on postgres?
    
    ben_vulpes: pg "SSI" does this correctly afaik; would serve coherent versions of comments and article i believe.
    
    ben_vulpes: my attention is on the original phuctorgenic goal of "i don't care about your concurrency controls, gimme whatever's in the page ritenao!"
    
    ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2016-12-30#76508 << i'm still wrapping my head around dirty reads and how database concurrency implementation strategies affect the possibility; here's a breadcrumb on the trail http://www.interdb.jp/pg/pgsql05.html
    
    ben_vulpes is a day behind, will attend to invoices that need indepth review tomorrow; outstanding invoices will go out this pm
    
    ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-2#346916 << "On a system I'm testing on, in practice, the RNG just reads the DMI table and then, since the DMI table is way bigger than 64 bytes, immediately moves to crng_init==1 without using even a single sample of interrupt randomness."
    
    ben_vulpes: and notbad lighting!
    
    ben_vulpes: i can have the software written, by devoted historians i train myself or who've built a relationship upon delivery and savvy over years of wot relationships
    
    ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: why would i give a shit when you seem dedicated to the penurious style that'll prevent you from ever delivering on the implications.
    
    ben_vulpes: right. put another way, why are you so obsessed over this nominally-solved problem to such a degree that you'd deprive the republic of a capitalized sapper
    
    ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: it doesn't matter for so long as the incans control the fabs.
    
    ben_vulpes: IA is for that revered fourth, fifth and sixth standard deviation; not for teh everyonez
    
    ben_vulpes: these are tools of intelligence amplification, done correctly. users/eyeballs/hitcounters are *the* antipattern.
    
    ben_vulpes: wanking over the wallpaper doesn't kneecap the megastate one whit
    
    ben_vulpes: it is such an asinine question, mon frere
    
    ben_vulpes: and i get the appeal of visionary supermandom but dude upcycling craptops with a hilarious gentoonotalisp is very shy of that mark
    
    ben_vulpes: there are three things to do: britneyize, lash yourself to another man's oar, or be the visionary superman
    
    ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i gotta point out that precursors, arms and crack are *all* milkings.
    
    ben_vulpes: flail in the dark on your own if you must.
    
    ben_vulpes: i've yet to see evidence of you doing either, so the objection cannot stand.
    
    ben_vulpes: there is nothing "reasonable" about the trilema plan for wealth, come on now.
    
    ben_vulpes: not in the work itself, innards of windows and "whitelabled mobile experiences" are only worthwhile insofar as they drain the beasts of their lifeblood
    
    ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: there is much enjoyment to be had in building great moocow milking machines
    
    ben_vulpes: and the starkest, most bleak indictment of all, no great men to serve
    
    ben_vulpes: because 'britneyization', the crushing drive to make everything as cheap, of as few and the cheapest atoms possible in order to sell it at the largest scale to the greatest number of people, because this is how socialism works: big tents, eyeballs, "hamburgers served", number of voters
    
    ben_vulpes: no wot and no non-statally controlled monetary base, and so could build nothing sane.
    
    ben_vulpes: they had no wot, gabriel_laddel
    
    ben_vulpes to gentoo basement, bbl
    
    
    
    ben_vulpes: which, make no mistake, is precisely what you're doing. pulling refuse from the usgstani fabrication pipeline and "oh dear sir or madam, this posey to spare your child from the plague i mean hailofbullets"
    
    ben_vulpes: look i admire your determination but there's no leverage and no market anywhere to be seen; you could be patient, scraping down food credits and suffering now for what will be an entire IC two decades from now had ye the foresight to not waste your time picking rags
    
    ben_vulpes: !!up gabriel_laddel
    
    ben_vulpes: to steal a mircea_popescu-ism: nuts.
    
    ben_vulpes: heh well what getrichquickscheme have y'lit upon now
    
    ben_vulpes: but rest easy meine freunde there is nothing easier in this world than ballooning your leverage and socking pennies away in btc
    
    ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: for poor fuxx like you and me there is only the trilemman 'plan for wealth'
    
    ben_vulpes: or are you still scared of being seen to transact in btc
    
    ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: inventive!
    
    ben_vulpes: hey gabriel_laddel now that you've got a job and everything, how about a bouncer on the pizarro shared host?
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: awesome
    
    ben_vulpes: lobbes: ack
    
    ben_vulpes: on the topic of OSen, there's also alphabet's new "very much not linux" https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll put teh scare quotes in a clown mask next time
    
    ben_vulpes: poor babie3s
    
    ben_vulpes: and in Star Topology Today https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/france-seizes-france-com-from-man-whos-had-it-since-94-so-he-sues/
    
    
    
    ben_vulpes: received- and sent-
    
    ben_vulpes: http://sam.zeloof.xyz/first-ic/# << 'garage' ic
    
    ben_vulpes: it has six extra days for ease of calendrical bookkeeping, let me know if this does not suit or i misunderstand in some way.
    
    ben_vulpes: that invoice takes you through the end of april 2019
    
    ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805215
    
    ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if lobbes wants to run ircbot separately, without the logbot functionality, he could if he liked, and without taking a dependency on the logbot stuffs. 'tis why they're separate trees.
    
    ben_vulpes: your listening process just needs to 'listen log_new_message' and then use whatever the wait-for-message abstraction is in the programming language for your responding service to wait for the primary key to come in, read that line out of the table and then either insert a response into outbox with the appropriate target or not as it chooses
    
    ben_vulpes: logbot does everything that ircbot does and in addition writes everything it sees to the log table
    
    ben_vulpes: sure thing
    
    ben_vulpes: newp, just the latter
    
    ben_vulpes: logbot provides a very handy set of slots for plugging responders into
    
    ben_vulpes: why use ircbot instead of the logbot?
    
    ben_vulpes: lobbes: iirc make-logbot still works but it is make-ircbot that does not
    
    ben_vulpes: 2 actually
    
    ben_vulpes: lobbes: yeah i have one running
    
    ben_vulpes: i'm curious who's going to pay the 48MM
    
    ben_vulpes: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sid=606716569 "A lack of a trauma center was a severe indication of the institutional racism that existed on the South Side" and clearly not an indicator of the penury of the locals
    
    ben_vulpes: spreading!
    
    ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: advance guard for replacing even the mocaptors with https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610773/virtual-robots-that-teach-themselves-kung-fu-could-revolutionize-video-games/
    
    ben_vulpes: hey, one of my deliverables failed the external tests once
    
    ben_vulpes: breathing! passes self test
    
    ben_vulpes: "can never demonstrate the absence of bugs" notwithstanding, i don't know why folks don't slow down and test that their deliverables do what they claim before making claims
    
    ben_vulpes: links to the ml advocates, their jupyter notebooks, and the troubles they have "getting from research to production" too i'd hazard
    
    ben_vulpes: i exaggerate, db constraints and stored procedures and transactionality and permissions are all very nice things.
    
    ben_vulpes: when will it fire will it fire today let's find out
    
    ben_vulpes: sure, john deere with anal impaler in operator seat
    
    ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu #templeos-irc is a wall of noise, terry is out to lunch
    
    ben_vulpes: trinque: you know i tell folks i squirt grease on the largest $problem-domain spreadsheet they could possibly imagine when they ask what i do; i can laugh and cry about it allll day
    
    ben_vulpes: that said the rigorish typing of postgres has been a boon in this one circumstance where the tower of complexititus threatens to overwhelm me at every step
    
    ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-25#343759 << just one tiny step up from excel
    
    ben_vulpes: whoa
    
    ben_vulpes: who could have predicted!!1
    
    ben_vulpes: !!v DB96B2FC2B8E62897B4F6D714B32DAFB07798ADA8A3E17D79C6B48B7EABC1EF6
    
    ben_vulpes: !!v E76CC2E9B382592EC1E2B6548CAABA71D92CC9E3B39954570E8DF64772D60138
    
    ben_vulpes: fg is a nice addition
    
    ben_vulpes: sweet, asciilifeform !
    
    ben_vulpes: thanks for your patience diana_coman
    
    ben_vulpes: \dt woulda shown you indices on the table too asciilifeform
    
    ben_vulpes sitting for remedial unix permissionsology at SOHN this afternoon
    
    ben_vulpes: diana_coman: shall i add apache to the diana_coman group before you 755 up?
    
    ben_vulpes only ever attended cs program of hard knocks
    
    ben_vulpes: megawatt of iron or two indices hue
    
    ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lolk
    
    ben_vulpes: ah i actually had a conversation with a little lady about the 'dirty read' thing last night
    
    ben_vulpes: i am interested in the postgrestisms you used
    
    ben_vulpes: diana_coman: yeah i think that comes from the user-level umask, which as i understand it sets permissions on individual files on create
    
    ben_vulpes: i suppose they wouldn't, that being controlled by umask
    
    ben_vulpes: well that's still not great; they're not inheriting from the parent directory?
    
    ben_vulpes: please confirm that new files show up as diana_coman:apache
    
    ben_vulpes: okay, gotit. diana_coman i'm going to run chmod -R g+srX your www dir
    
    ben_vulpes: ah i think i see how to get it with chmod
    
    ben_vulpes: spyked: thx, now to figure out what needs installing from portage to get setgid
    
    ben_vulpes: ok i'll look into how to make new files inherit from parent dirs
    
    ben_vulpes: $user:$user and 0755 is what's been most useful on other sites; i think that'd be best here as well
    
    ben_vulpes: yup, just checked without local routing and no resolution.
    
    ben_vulpes: diana_coman: website appears up to me, although that may just be /etc/hosts, i'm not up to speed on dns propagation yet
    
    ben_vulpes: right, neat
    
    ben_vulpes: trinque: that makes total sense
    
    ben_vulpes: i'm all ears, i've erred to date on what i think is safer but i lack a model
    
    ben_vulpes: yeah?
    
    ben_vulpes: diana_coman: everything in ~/www needs to be 0755, may i effect that for you?
    
    ben_vulpes laboring under serious immune system load and cognitive deficit
    
    ben_vulpes: diana_coman: server is configured to respond to minigame.bz, per ^^ will be updating to serve minigame.biz and www.minigame.biz
    
    ben_vulpes: my body is reacting very poorly to spring this year
    
    ben_vulpes bbl
    
    ben_vulpes: diana_coman: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rRa4q/?raw=true
    
    ben_vulpes: notes ftw
    
    ben_vulpes: holy doodle i think that i do