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(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it's still those darned lines from *before the bot*, arrrgh; and there is no such thing as "irssi format", no matter how I look at it.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937344 - asciilifeform, lobbes, corrected old logs of #o with the missing lines and ":" ; please feed it to your loggers (a drop of lines < 1000000 and then eat_dump should work fine); thank you.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937318 - quite a common one too, from what I've seen; a sort of "easy give up" I'd say.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: the sustain part is the one on which none has managed yet to convince me; fwiw the task is one of those I have in mind precisely to get some bright guy going.
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: nm, it was my bad; maybe add though a note to the !!help there?
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, I missed that, huh
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I said it in pm; hm, did it need it here?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ahaha; if I see deedbot popping up in #o too, I'll really have to wonder.
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: I asked (at 8:18 local time, now it's 9:43) deedbot to deed something ( !!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=n6vP ) but it hasn't replied with anything at all; am I doing something wrong there?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: myeah; I've deployed now the latest bot too since I had it scheduled anyway (ie pressed to irssi_format vpatch); I synced the few lines with the raw knob; let's see how it goes from now on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: are you sending any applications now/before mid-Oct?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for that matter, are you actually saying that you'll get the requirements of x companies and then I'm supposed to ...train you for *them*?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so dunno how you're thinking there, really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: well, for starters, ~everything in tmsr requires... use of V
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I don't know but honestly, if it's really true that *all* that is keeping you now in the USA is not-to-increase-prices-for-pizarro, I dare say you should just ask in #t for help with finding a solution to this and therefore actually moving.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: do you mean above that by mid-October you are done with company+profile+contacts?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: well, atm you can at most do useful-to-you-and-tmsr-related (ie learning really, albeit yes, something concrete to do /show for it too, ofc); there's still some way to go before you can do something useful *to* tmsr as such.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: publish what you figure out by Sunday together with *how you went about* the figuring out
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: that is obsolete so not a lot of help in itself; nobody is going to make the list ready for you to pick and choose, wtf.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: why? at most you have another trip to pick them up from someone in the US or what? at any rate, maybe worth actually looking at ways to remove those practical obstacles?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: ok
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: concrete plans beat likes any day.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that sounds like "latest date - march"; and if it still doesn't happen by march?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thinking of getting a lease like that too and working from there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ah, right; drat.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha, what happened to bot?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: getting some Spanish practice too, so clearly works out as better investment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically it's possibly ~same to pay tica to fan him with some palm-leaves.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: from what I gathered the hot water in cr is ~shower mainly/only for "default options"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: good for you on admitting it; and don't let rigor die unless you have already the keys of the place.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: I hope you *are* still searching for other options too, just in case this one doesn't work out, yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: when is your projected/latest date for "new job"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: missing your opportunity because "knee-jerked" is still missing and no amount of beating yourself over it *afterwards* is going to reverse it or anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: well, do you plan to just... outlive it, or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002972 - ftr, I do NOT advise newcomers to believe this; there is also for instance the very short life of Bubico Garson (aka zmk) http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-07-29#1925422
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: so far he seems to have been bent on adding to his workload, never actually getting rid of any of it, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so in all the above, you first knee-jerk-stupidly and then - if and only if - there's somebody to pin you down one way or another (here, me) for long enough so you calm down and actually start using your brain, you ...start finally thinking and reading and all that stuff?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you need to look at things more objectively for sure, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello whaack_pura_vida how's house-hunting going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I know you said "poor communication" but that is 1. a very generic and useless by itself term 2. ~all you said.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the problem is not "did not trust on the spot" ie the fact; facts just are, they can't be stupid or intelligent or anything else; what *can* be stupid is what you do when faced with those facts.
(trilema) diana_coman: :D I was thinking mountain_goat all the time
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently mountain_billy is billymg , travelling and away from terminal
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh, still no deedbot
(trilema) diana_coman: !!up mountain_billy
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: did you do similar at all points in there? ie ended up somehow with "it's poor communication" and so overall that was ~all you were left with?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002921 - eh, so here you even looked a bit deeper but...failed to write it?? and to add to the lulz, the conclusion was "poor communication" after which you promptly proceed to ...poorly communicate it, lmao
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that ^ is totally stupid
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what's with the anger anyway (towards my probing, towards lobbes, basically towards anything and anyone that tried to help)?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there are so many wrong things there that you'll have a lot of fun figuring them out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and you know, "I was also apprehensive by then, that being honest/vocal about my self/plans or questions would end up with.." - this here is stupidity cubed already;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and if you know now that it *was* stupid, then go for it, that's enough. All the "but..." is precisely your stupid protecting itself; so : stupid square, add it to the list and don't listen to further "but..."
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002920 - unless you define your terms and stick to the definitions, you'll just go on various tangents forever and achieve nothing at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: by the sounds of it, rather confused as to what stupidity is; sigh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, that's the fix re irssi format
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have to do maintenance early morning here when it's quiet in the forums.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: darn, did I miss a vpatch?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw asciilifeform I've signed all vpatches of logotron + added it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: re format yes, that's what I did with latest vpatch: gave concrete example re "format" (it includes * ) and this will be eat
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, it's still those damned lines before the logger ie the converted ones; it's enough to go delete where < 1000000 and then eat the file, that's how I corrected mine but ugh, sorry for all the versions.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re db I'll deed the copy but...deedbot has been down
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so apparently irssi2tmsr is an ever shifting beast
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: ugh, indeed it is; yours has < nick> while mine has simply nick:
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm he has to dig himself out of a much deeper pit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you covered with the analysis the easy bits (all instances of failing the deadline) but you went only extremely superficially (if at all) with the analysis of yourself; and almost ignored entirely the part re cursing stupidity; did you take it for nonsense/"just a way of saying" or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically you pissed on them from high up (and you could do it precisely because yes, you are in fact very intelligent from what I see) but then you decided to try and ...submit to them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: their grading system evaluates compliance more than knowledge; as such, good for you that you didn't care about it, sure; onth a bit silly then of you to be surprised that you had a very hard time being further allowed into their system as it were.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the only part that you got wrong re not gaming the grading system is understanding fully what it means; but that's quite a lot to ask from your self at that time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (not to mention that if you did, you'd be now in all likelihood slowly going nuts in some office)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ftr, the fact that you didn't care about gaming their grading system is a very SANE thing to do, despite what they'll (obviously) claim.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002885 - because you were going at it on *one leg only*; in short, you knew what you needed to do but you didn't care to do it and both those things matter, you can't just cut one out and pretend that the other takes over both functions.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: tell me this: do you honestly consider you did your very best to do what I asked for with http://s.ragavan.co/2019/09/analysis-of-failures-to-meet-deadlines/ ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: there's a bit of a mix there and a lot of confusion.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: let's just say that I know how they work.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I should add I suppose that when I talk of UK "universities" I rely on a whole lot more than what you shared about your particular experience.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-18#1002864 - I don't think you quite understood this question. Another way to state it would be: how do you separate the "how much I care about it" from "this is what I did/didn't do" so that you can then claim that the action was somehow not an accurate reflection of how much you cared about it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and it's this last bit that is the worse really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in the process messing up any chance of a sane evaluation scale too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it means rather that they failed to support your smarts and kill your stupid
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the point re uni was precisely that they *were too complacent to force out the best in you*; and all you say quite supports this; sure, it doesn't mean that they didn't teach you *anything*.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: hang on a minute, will you?
(trilema) diana_coman: well yeah, it actually comes with a lot of "if x then y" but the supply is just the most obvious & well documented.
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm; I suppose I don't see this irrespective of results; fwiw, not even breast "proceeds irrespective of results" if you think that it adapts supply if nothing else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: how do you reason "it did not properly reflect even the little damn that I did give then" ?
(trilema) diana_coman: but dunno, are you calling *all* giving support cvasi-bovine?
(trilema) diana_coman: the core of it as I see it (and matching btw the breast + gender difference) is that they are not yet able to act independently (in this case: independent learning , hence yes, if you just send them to read, it won't do much)
(trilema) diana_coman: sure, it's not just the repetition ie "it would be enough if a machine repeated it on a loop"
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: yes; what I don't see is junior high learning ~= baby level
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, tlp is barely readable for sure
(trilema) diana_coman: for the other, I don't know that they learn just because they heard it enough times; it might be that they need to hear it several times, yes, but they would just the same if they simply encountered it that many times
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I don't know really; for one thing the "impression they make" is really a matter of the viewer and his impression so sure, it's consistent with one lens so why not, certainly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ok, but preface it then as such and note that "didn't give a damn" is based precisely on what you *did* (or in that case didn't do, as you say it right above), not on what you *felt*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: note also that above you just deflected; you latched onto some bit that you could "contradict" and who cares whether the "contradiction" matters to the core of the issue or not.
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm; do you basically say that junior high "learning" is simply circus-like training and trainers are by nature cvasi-bovine (or otherwise ineffectual)?
(trilema) diana_coman: lolz, I have yet to see bovines talking to children.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: for the record, since that was heaven - is this here hell or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: perfection doesn't enter into it at all; perfection is an ideal - use it as a target, not as an expectation; and yes, I don't expect nor request perfection, there was *nothing* about perfection above.
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: deedbot fell down ~5 hours ago.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it should be the "standard" irssi log format (including months given by names) so hopefully it won't require any further fiddling
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: would you mind giving a spin to the updated irssi2tmsr script and let me know if/how it works now on your irssi logs? the .vpatch is here: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=irssi_format&e=#select
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-17#1002836 - you know, guilt-tripping is emotional blackmail; do you really imagine that your blackmailers are your friends?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and don't you even dare to change or "update" that post! Let it stand there and go and write another one and if it's still not good, you'll write another one and another one and I don't care if it gets to 1000 or 1mn until you finally do it right - the pile will stand there as a monument to your worship of stupidity, as taller as it gets.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: yes, you are intelligent and smart enough to know what you should do even *before* I have no other choice than spell it out for you but you still cherish and worship your stupidity so much that you nevertheless won't do it, right?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: here, take The Pageboy's Pledge - I don't care if you chant it, read it, eat it, print it and sleep with it, say it like a prayer every evening or whatever else you do with it but *start living* by it already or you'll never make it out of that hole you dug yourself into, you fool.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: there's not just plain but exponential and accumulated stupidity in there that you haven't even faced or acknowledged, let alone curse in any earnest; and if that weakest of "barely mentioning it while running quickly to something else" passes for cursing in your books, gotta wonder what else you have no real idea about.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: about it, you're as blind as a newborn kitten.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: get your head out of your own arse already and look at yourself without pretense, for once, as that "analysis" is the weakest effort I've seen in ages; what half-baked effort you put in there is insulting to say the least and if you think - after all this time here - that I'm running here the sort of whishy-whashy that goes for "university" in the UK nowadays where you can pass "for the effort" while stoned and not giving a damn ab
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: use logs.ossasepia.com (eg fixt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-01#999885) ; let me know if you see *anything else* missing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm there does seem to be a line missing though no idea why; I'll look at it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, you should have mentioned it when you noticed it, directly with link too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: good for you.
(trilema) diana_coman: tbh that was my initial reluctance with making converter a .vpatch to start with; maybe it makes sense to still make it a .vpatch but with clear example of format since just saying "irssi" might not be quite enough.
(trilema) diana_coman: in the process I updated the awk importer too but I don't even know if it's any use given that I'm not 100% sure what is "irssi standard format" really
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936741 - fixed and dump manually updated; it turned out the mess-up was caused by a mix-up of local log formats (ie ran like an idiot the awk script on the not-matching format; basically I have too many logs all around)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002781 - it's not that they shouldn't be concerned with it, it's more that they are not going to be able to follow it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: learn to enjoy your own company a lot more, too, it's good for you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I only visited CR once and for that matter I happily explored a lot more of the waters than of expats areas but he knows the whole country inside-out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: did you ask MP for any advice re area?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'd steer away from expats and generally from expats-heavy areas really; if you go to a different country then you want to go where the locals (ideally the more discerning among them) are
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: is this guanacaste /the area mainly tourist/expats living there ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: well, you can always give them the link anyway, not like it hurts anything now, does it? but note that they have no business whatsoever with #trilema, at most with reading trilema.com if you want to give them that particular hook
(ossasepia) diana_coman: where in CR are you planning to stay anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter, ticos are so friendly that it's impossible to *not* make local friends, not to mention that it'll help you much more
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: so then certainly a bad idea; but to have a simple rule: unless they register their key, come in here and actually get to work, it means that they are pulling in quite the opposite direction than you so probably you don't want to have much to do with them, no.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh to me it *does* sound as more trouble than it is worth because those friends.... uhm, why aren't they here if they are so great?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, so listen to yourself and do it systematically then; not like that studio is the only one in CR or that you can't live if not under your friends.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what IS generally a bad idea is to just go with the first thing on the flimsy basis that it's easy/comfortable
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: I also have no idea re prices in CR - did you even look around at all?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack_pura_vida: that sort of thing is something you know really, not in little part because you know your friends - what are they up to /for in CR anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and let it also be said for the benefit of shrysr and all that shrysr in this is still getting off light (the first 2 sentences in http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002726 contribute to getting off lightly, for sure).
(trilema) diana_coman: it's one of those things where I can't figure out if they each "thought" the same nonsensical way to end up with the same shit or they just copied it
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, I had read precisely that sort of ads ad nauseam quite some year ago in local newspapers/whatevers in ploiesti/bucharest
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you, will do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: given the very trouble here, I won't set any deadline for this; but unless and until you write up the post as above, I won't read anything from you other than your next lines right now in which you can ask any questions you have re the above and otherwise end with "I will do it, thank you."
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and *this time* you'll curse there not your poor intelligence that is actually saving you each and every time but precisely the stupidity that you choose to still keep feeding too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you'll look at each and write-up in a post the full list with links and for each of those instances you get to write down plainly: why exactly you ended up failing to deliver; all the excuses you found for yourself ("howevers" and "but it's just a bit after" etc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so now, you'll read back through all the #o log and you'll collect *all* the instances where you failed a deadline since I already let pass way too many of those from you;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 4. the review and the write-up are PART OF THE WORK! a significant part, even. So no, you cannot be "reasonably on track in terms of work " when you don't even include there the write-up, wtf.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 3. the *point* is *sustainable* growth - as even stated in plain-text on younghands.club; that means also sustainable pace of work; that means that if you are not done with it all at least 1 day before the deadline, then you ALREADY say it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because it is avoidance, right there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and ftr , this sort of "however" is *precisely* how you screw *yourself* up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as in : "I was working on it right till I dropped off" is acceptable as an offered statement of fact; but it's up to the one for whom you screw up to decide on the value of that, not up to you to push it as anything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 2. there is no "however" to be added by you when you screw something up; you *may* state the fact but you do NOT "however" it in.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 1. the moment to open your mouth re deadlines is *as soon as you are not 100% sure you'll be on time*; and the VERY LATEST, 1 day before the deadline
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-16#1002726 - listen here, this might have passed the *first* time but it's not going to pass this time; in order:
(trilema) diana_coman: yes; I was reading #o logs from some time back and noticed missing : ; checked in the db and they were missing there too although present in local irssi log.
(trilema) diana_coman: maybe it's the converter's problem actually, I'll have to investigate it.
(trilema) diana_coman: uhm, apparently not? so it's just a historical thing, ugh
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, lobbes ugh, logger actually strips ":" away from payload, did you notice this? as in: this makes to the db "as in this makes it to the db"
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: is there a link to "first day of log" for a chan? I don't know if I just can't see it or there just isn't one.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: fwiw I suspect what "gotta be going on" is ~= fear (coming out of being entirely and utterly unprepared to deal with it if "not believing")
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw, I think the whole thread there belonged better in #o possibly starting with http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: so what do you need to grow first so that you can thrive also out of the greenhouse?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform a [#chan] marker from bot sounds good to me; in #o for now at least I'd rather it cross-echoes indeed but I can see also why this might not be appropriate for #t
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-04#1001248 + http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-13#1002462 ; your deadline has passed, I don't see it anywhere and you haven't said anything either; where is it (and it'd better be that it was indeed published by the deadline)?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if after that it's still not clear, ask again
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002693 - have a look at some actual warrants in practice eg from S.MG's statements such as http://trilema.com/2019/minigame-smg-statement-on-q2-2019/ (follow the links to the deeds in the SSW table on # column); the IPO contract of SMG may be something you want to read too anyway http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002692 - indulging is not that wholesome, whether it's yourself or someone else you are indulging really, yes; nothing to do with the rest though; what humans are actually wired for as in they *need it* is relationships really but this is more general than "wife+kids"; we can revisit this at a later time if you need to.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002690 - no, I meant it exactly as stated: endearing (~= adorable); the "most other" is such an undefined thing that you can't use it for much; and when you mix that with yet another poorly understood term (happiness), what you get is whatever you want it to be, more of a phantasy than anything else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002689 - I think they should be on your personal blog really; why not have them there to re-read in some years time, anyway?
(trilema) diana_coman: sounds way better indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936552 - so regret your haste then and/or specific choice-avoidance but not your decision; it was made at that time and it's done; regretting the decision only puts you in a very awkward position moving on because now what - you'll be a knight who regrets his decision of being a knight?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: cool; feel free to ask any further questions you have.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: to give a clearer example of "submit to me" - by "what you need" I fully mean what I see that you need; this might at times clash with what you think you need but while you are welcome to ask questions to improve your understanding of why you are asked to do that, you will still have to do it if I asked for it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, you'll have to submit to my judgement and to commit for the long term too as it'll take some time (how much it all takes depends on you really).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: understand though this: the goal is to bring *you* up to the best you can be and as such the tasks and exact working will inevitably depend on what you need; while there are topics and that all need to master and skills that all need to acquire, the exact path is *not* predefined and I fully intend to keep it that way.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to make it perfectly clear: it's submitting to me as a mentor, not to some "prescribed pace" or programme or whatever; it's a relationship mentor-mentee and as such fully dependent on the people involved; for that matter, you may apply and I'll try to get to know you a bit better first before I can decide if I'll take you on or not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002669 - you should read the #ossasepia log as it's not that long and it'll answer your question best, eg this thread http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-30#999773
(ossasepia) diana_coman: just do for now first and foremost what you have on your plate and you'll get to #t soon too, don't worry about it just yet.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: re #trilema - only to the extent that you actually have time; while it's always good to follow, you still have more pressing matters than following that; lobbes has been around and more involved for much more so for him it's less of a jump than it is for you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002660 - the part re past generation is quite likely actually; but it's more generally spread, not india-only, that's the bigger issue and part of the signs of decay.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I suppose the similarity is in that *both* cases are bent on appearance rather than substance but the difference is simply that for one set the reference is boss-approval, while for the other the reference is the fashion/social-consensus.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: onth canadians/brits will indeed bother less about preserving the "prestige" of the boss but are bothered tremendously to the point of being severely restrained by the group-signalling
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie a problem more of inept and insecure bosses ultimately than of anything else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002645 - hm, my (admiteddly, limited) interactions with people from that area in a more formal setting tends to paint a different picture: the focus is not at all on politically correct but on lip-service to authority (and possibly savage beating of the underlings)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aka of the US you describe.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol, that sounds very... communist/soviet of them.
(trilema) diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
(trilema) diana_coman: anyway, back to the lordship thing, it's not like worthy knights can't get promoted, quite on the contrary, that was the whole idea afaik
(trilema) diana_coman: when "can't cope anymore" or similar
(trilema) diana_coman: not to mention that after a point they still...do, pretty much
(trilema) diana_coman: possibly orphanages take but that's just shifting to a different sort of "hard"
(trilema) diana_coman: well, *they* will have the hardest life raising him though; my impression was that they mourn themselves, not the child at all.
(trilema) diana_coman: plenty of proper cool :D
(trilema) diana_coman gets the buckets of ice ready
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342 - what's there to regret really? less direct support (because not needed since lord) + some additional responsibility on top of and added to sorting yourself out or what exactly?
(trilema) diana_coman: I'll chew on that some more (and maybe I won't want to strangle hope all that much anymore).
(trilema) diana_coman: uaaa, my comment is awaiting moderation
(trilema) diana_coman pats ossabot
(trilema) diana_coman: o.O which logs?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-15#1002624 - at which point I realise that this is possibly dangerous for young minds so let's restate: your nature is what it is, no matter what you decide to do (including negating it, as it's quite often the case); however, in practical terms, you are defined by your actions, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: so then, if spammers come spamming, I'll have to man the walls or something, more fun to be had.
(trilema) diana_coman: that actually makes full sense, indeed.
(trilema) diana_coman: I can see also why make it 9 only and that's that if the model is either "everyone can speak" or "only peers can speak"
(trilema) diana_coman: oh boy, "concerned parents" and tzatzele la poarta what next
(trilema) diana_coman: that is also perfectly valid yes; hollyhell.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, not at all; but why would I want *only knights* to be able to talk there?
(trilema) diana_coman: possibly it's an entirely unrelated matter
(trilema) diana_coman: and wtf am I going to do, police it?
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002089 - I still see the point for *different* thresholds in different places; ie 9 is peer everywhere but in #t it's only peers that may speak while in #o it's everyone who didn't get thrown out.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key thimbronion
(trilema) diana_coman: no idea really but iirc there was a thimbronion around here or such
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002518 - this here "say so" is not because I can't see it otherwise but because admitting to what one needs is a basic requirement to improvement.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and acknowledging it is simply the most basic acts of looking in the mirror without pretense, nothing more (and as such a very useful thing to practice, hence the requirement to "say it")
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at any rate, the distinction is pretty much made by the person's *own* needs, not external through some labels or roles or whatever else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's a qualitative difference, there is a gap; and for similar reasons it's not really slave/knight as they are not the same sort either if you talk of their natures
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the slave/master is not a quantitative difference (ie it's not that the slave has x something while the master has 10x the same thing)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: perfection doesn't enter into it; no living person is perfect, by definition
(ossasepia) diana_coman: a master without slaves is still a master - just one who focuses on other things than growing others; a slave without a master is still a slave - just one nobody can be bothered with but no freer for that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002595 - well, practice makes perfect, sure; but what you *are* is one thing; what you *do* is another.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as to Reading: it's small enough and close enough to the countryside (even "posh countryside" as I found only after some time here) to be pleasant while at the same time big/industrial enough to be very well connected (both rail and airways)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and as TMSR is not bound to a physical place anyway, being here is fine for now.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I stopped at the UK mainly because of a combination of the above + the child's need for stability until he is a bit older (he's almost 7).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: to summarise though: I kept moving (and mentally even more than the physical would directly tell); looking back, at some point I realised that I pretty much traced where the meaning *used to be* until I finally accepted that it's not anymore in any of those places.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: found it, the post re moving countries and places: http://ossasepia.com/2011/03/25/plecarile-mele/ (it links to the one musing on the reasons for it too) but yes, they are both from a time I still wrote in Romanian mostly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha shrysr look what I found for you (while searching for a different post actually) - it'll probably resonate with your polite canadians and all that: http://ossasepia.com/2013/06/16/intellectually-fit-as-socially-misfit/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or not a very stable one in general, lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw the overspecialisation (that's what your "overtrained in one area and skipped others" is) is not a healthy way to live just like a table with only 2 legs is not a very good table.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie if you say you aren't moving because it's not the outside but the inside that needs work, that's fine; but then start opening up and working on all of you, not just some areas
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002592 - if I understand correctly what you're saying there, you are looking for an inner change *first and foremost*; which is correct and sensible but requires specific targetting to, just like any other work really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as it's not a cause, it's not what you are looking at when you decide "what next"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if that's the case: while that change is both real and indeed quite impossible to estimate correctly upfront (you can't know what you don't know), it's not really what matters in the first place, because it can't even be a cause.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bvt: by "necessary change" do you mean the deep change of "uprooting"/living in a different place?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not too young and not too old
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