snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:41:04 lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936556 << kinda waste of time. the seed will just have been an import, and the comments/posts i intended to have handled from php.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:30:31 lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
mircea_popescu: all the bots!!!
BingoBoingo: The breaking and not breaking of balls is an important concept here.
lobbes: http://archive.is/5L8Cb#selection-1483.105-1483.280 << E.g. I think this is: "Don't break the balls! We see here people crossing the square grabbing a rope because the wind was blowing them to shit, families littered along the ropes. In your face Netflix!"
lobbes: diana_coman: this is true, huh. Besides, worse things I could be than a knight! I'll take the opportunity to learn how to not decide things in haste for example
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936552 - so regret your haste then and/or specific choice-avoidance but not your decision; it was made at that time and it's done; regretting the decision only puts you in a very awkward position moving on because now what - you'll be a knight who regrets his decision of being a knight?
lobbes: OR would you prefer the whole thing at once?
lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:58:51 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than puttin
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936455 << I ofc can't find the log reference in o(1) time, but I remember you stating that the wisdom for wealth building is *spending less* rather than the converse. Maybe I'm missing the point tho
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:55:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936449 << this makes sense. I guess was simply stating my reasonings for decision in the logs. But to your point I ought to start looking more at established and measurable facts than imagined feels
BingoBoingo: Apparently the naked folks are making 1500 pesos (~45 USD) a day. Which, considering the bulk of jobs in the local economy pay ~20,000 pesos a month with 44 hours workweeks... seems a bit generous.
BingoBoingo: There's also confusion with different sources claiming the rent being paid for the plaza is millions of pesos Uruguayos or millions of pesos NorteAmericanos.
BingoBoingo: Probably would have made more sense to film at the Punta Carretas Shopping & Prison
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 11:20:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936498 << Leasing Army base would have been much cheaper. Instead they leased the city's main square, took out everything green or movable, and then chroma-key'd the palms and the base of the Masoleum of Jose Artigas. They are filming in the country's principal political location and dressing it as somewhere else.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << Seriously that's a huge WTF. The army's materiel is a mix-and-match affair which means something in the pile is going to suit the desired epoch.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:00:42 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936265 << why the fuck is it mostly young dudes tho.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936373 << Girls apparently have things to do over the three day span. Either that or stripping the boys down is how they imagine they avoid getting #wetoo'd
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936518 << asciilifeform also, but to do this had to live in the barracks
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 05:43:16 mircea_popescu: http://thimbron.com/2019/09/julian-jaynes/?b=Ando&e=#select << what's this then ?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-celebrities-and-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Celebrities and Narcissism. Adnotated.
mircea_popescu: als owhat the fuck is a cubolitre!
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936511 aka "life's good without a leg : the balls don't rub and there's no need for another boot"
asciilifeform: re noble gasses, asciilifeform found, somewhat surprisingly, that 1k cubolitres of argon cost only ~100bux. and that there's moar shops where sold, here, than where proper milk...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 09:05:57 mircea_popescu: one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:46:39 mircea_popescu: also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:42:25 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than putting forward a
snsabot: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:23:03 asciilifeform: recall : the xray best-quote of 5 firms was : 2700 orcdubloons PER SHOT
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936439 << aa, but ameritards are, well, tards. to date found that it is 100% of the time cheaper to actually buy surplus instrument. sounds insane, but there it is.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936381 << spamola, i suspect, is a 'when', rather than an 'if'.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
asciilifeform wonders whether any bot previously went for 30d w/out stop
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 06:17:08 mircea_popescu: then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936402 << pretty sure i found the culprit ( phuctor ) , i'ma make it weekly again.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:37 asciilifeform: somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936438 << prolly mircea_popescu was thinking of zinc (as in sovok coffin), rather than the cast shitmetal 'zamac' . but mno, these in fact need good mechanical strength and -- even moar vitally -- good thermals
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 08:23:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936318 << you can't weld aluminium in air because the melting temperature of the metal is below compound formation energy. basically same reason you can't weld paper.
diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
diana_coman: anyway, back to the lordship thing, it's not like worthy knights can't get promoted, quite on the contrary, that was the whole idea afaik
diana_coman: not to mention that after a point they still...do, pretty much
mircea_popescu: one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
mircea_popescu: if this were the concern, pretty sure orphanages still take undesired children.
mircea_popescu: i had the opposite impression.
diana_coman: well, *they* will have the hardest life raising him though; my impression was that they mourn themselves, not the child at all.
mircea_popescu: "why do constituencies regret when their representative teams are eliminated during tournament events ? they should rejoice, their team has to do the least work!"
mircea_popescu: "why do parents mourn when a retarded son is born ? verily he'll have the easiest life of all their offspring"
diana_coman gets the buckets of ice ready
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342 - what's there to regret really? less direct support (because not needed since lord) + some additional responsibility on top of and added to sorting yourself out or what exactly?
mircea_popescu: also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:52:21 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936364 << to drive everyone up the wall : my degree was actually ~2-3k a year ; an' i'm pretty sure i made more during a brief foray in teaching there (while still a student!) than the whole thing cost. AND said degree includes (besides philosophy an' socilology) ALSO JOURNALISM
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month make a difference one has much more pressing problems than putting forward a
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:31 lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936362 << so give the woman the log
mircea_popescu: make your own decisions on correctly established measurements is the whole of the law.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:55:50 trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936354 << or rather, read the last trilema.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: IIrc the Home Despot rents MIG welders
mircea_popescu: if have to get aluminium parts connected and don't have weld shield gas, the solution is riveting not welding.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:05:51 asciilifeform: btw trinque ( and possibly BingoBoingo ) : what's the barest starvation tooling with which weld aluminum ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936318 << you can't weld aluminium in air because the melting temperature of the metal is below compound formation energy. basically same reason you can't weld paper.
mircea_popescu: rilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/][purple hair].
mircea_popescu: now, apparently this is common, however the peerage of the time was quite unlike portland's finest [http://t
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:59:45 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936229 << lol, the dude's 40 something, not 80. and yet, a-fucking-men.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936305 << in my defense, i spent my 20s (in consensus with the peers of the time and place) that i ain't making no 30.
mircea_popescu: (this being, contrary to ulterior protestant misrepresentations, the only meaning of taxation in middle ages : "produce some normal heatlhy unsick unfucked in the head humans!!! we're going to france!!!"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:49:08 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << couldn't be more behind this. if nothing else, you learn whether anyone else has gravity worth a sparrow's fart.
mircea_popescu: hence my example with the "booting" knife that runs a .jar to ask you via gui "which side should be sharp this session"
mircea_popescu: all of inca exists because of the false decision slot "between" coke and pepsi, dominos and pizza hut etc. the only way to fix the current us is forbid this false choice, force them to receive randomly items in the respective undiferentiable classes.
mircea_popescu: not because it'd be hard to implement, but because it creates a "decision slot" in the minds where there needn't be one.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:50:55 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936114 << I'm thinking let the owner of chan set his/her threshold of voice, whatcha think?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936293 << i have no firm idea as of yet ; but i'm inclined to think it'd be too many moving parts, and deleterious thereby.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:47:03 trinque: I'm a sick troll in the household.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:45:42 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936059 << the curious thing to the squishy humans is how this man is mathematical instead.
mircea_popescu: it's literally a collage, i cut up the "secret" court filings produced by "secret" services for its material.
mircea_popescu: was part and parcel of ye epic http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/ (the title says "Sorana, funny comedy in one act". unique as far as i know among all literary productions for the stage to date, this play is written ~entirely~ out of material illegally intercepted by romania's chapter of usg.blue, and doled out in court without any kind of supervision)
mircea_popescu: for historical lulz : /me actually put the kaibosh on a romanian wanna-be news outlet back in the day for exactly this sorta misbehaviour.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:05:19 asciilifeform: 'Motherboard has obtained a copy of the email thread, but has censored the names of its participants besides Stallman. ' << bonus lulz
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936276 << fucking typical retardation.
mircea_popescu: then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
diana_coman: so then, if spammers come spamming, I'll have to man the walls or something, more fun to be had.
mircea_popescu: i don't instantly see the benefit of an alternative. some things do not benefit from alternative, eg a knife which first has you "select which side to be sharp" is a worse knife that is sharp on one side.
diana_coman: I can see also why make it 9 only and that's that if the model is either "everyone can speak" or "only peers can speak"
mircea_popescu: conceivably you might want it because your castle's so immense, you can't take the whole firehose.
mircea_popescu: how the hell do i know what you want.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, not at all; but why would I want *only knights* to be able to talk there?
mircea_popescu: in extremis yes you could promote a knight or two in that role, if you wish ; but if not, and you want to implement the trilema style voice model instead : why do you want ratings other than 9 to be voiced ?
mircea_popescu: or is the idea that you'd like to have the voice model more flexible, so when a castle owner is specified for a new castle, deedbot also takes specification of voice threshold ?
mircea_popescu: shithead producers.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002089 - I still see the point for *different* thresholds in different places; ie 9 is peer everywhere but in #t it's only peers that may speak while in #o it's everyone who didn't get thrown out.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 17:58:07 BingoBoingo: In local news: Uruguayos stripped down and humiliated in the Plaza Independencia https://i.redd.it/dsjaoraybmm31.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936265 << why the fuck is it mostly young dudes tho.
diana_coman: no idea really but iirc there was a thimbronion around here or such
lobbes: I managed to pay for my first two years (via the much cheaper 'community college' option) with pure cash from my saving from working at the grocery store. The final two years (at the more expensive state school) are what killed me. And I mentally checked out around 6th grade, so my GPA was laughable (literally was in the 2.3 range I think); no scholarships for me.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?
lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
trinque: would've saved mircea_popescu years of trilema if the ideal state were "and then I think for all of you for the rest of time"
lobbes: ah okay. this makes sense. let the wot drive distinction between monkey-castle and actual-castle
trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.
trinque: and the whole point of social topology that isn't dot and flat line below, is that "maybe >0!"
trinque: what do I care if you talk to them. probably zero, maybe >0!
trinque: you have your relationships, whatever they are, and you're peered into whomever else.
trinque: I dunno that castlehood or w/e is the "and now you can have a deedbot" line
trinque: can the lords and ladies let me know if they're interested in such a thing, and if so I'll get cracking.
trinque: on the subj of multi-channel deedbot, that already exists. I need to tweak the wot/voicing code a bit to support, but otherwise not so hard.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cost of renting tools there is such that makes moar sense to buy, if anyffin smaller than bulldozer, normally
asciilifeform: somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: IIrc the Home Despot rents MIG welders
trinque: I don't know if it would surprise anyone here, but they do a better job!
trinque: and doing fine. just got in from my dentist's office in the mexican hood.
asciilifeform: btw trinque ( and possibly BingoBoingo ) : what's the barest starvation tooling with which weld aluminum ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:03:20 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz BingoBoingo might appreciate, asciilifeform was clearing , i shit thee not, jungle, w/ machete
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:57:52 diana_coman: fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 14:52:11 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936160 << verily. Furthermore, the inescapable truth is that one day mircea_popescu will shuffle off this mortal coil. Why anyone would not want to eat as much of his brain while he is around is completely unfathomable to me, especially since he is willingly offering it to eat! The Republic will one day need to stand on its own feet and produce
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936229 << lol, the dude's 40 something, not 80. and yet, a-fucking-men.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 12:27:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << this also imho good idea. tho afaik none of the other castles carry enuff load yet to make voicetronic model appealing there
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:33:25 ave1: So I'm working on genesis of gcc and the second test build is running. First failed, I expect some more failures before done.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 04:08:46 dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935524 << sure in theory; what do you know about ilb.ru that makes it distinguishable from when I made the snapshot?
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936168 << I've been long curious when. If mp wanted to be Stalin, he'd already be, or so the derp texan's opinion goes.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:15:00 diana_coman: if you say it's not any and all to talk, the q is : who to talk?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:11:35 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, might still have to make soem kind of two-tiered system, because im not going to either unrate most everyone i have rated now nor let any and all talk. so i guess ima have two keysets ? nfi.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936114 << I'm thinking let the owner of chan set his/her threshold of voice, whatcha think?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:59:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935597 << that's kinda lulzy, seeing how you're the only one who did this iirc ?! no need for the guilt trip though : only children organise their movement through the world by the path of less beatings.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:50:52 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if they wanna.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << couldn't be more behind this. if nothing else, you learn whether anyone else has gravity worth a sparrow's fart.
trinque: I'm a sick troll in the household.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:46:27 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935561 << unlike phf, holding a torch of oneitis for some pantsuit chick that likely couldn't pick him out of a line-up, i should hope the texan has enough fucking sense to actually manage his household as his own.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936066 << I trolled the shit out of girl earlier, "babe, we're moving to Portland" and "What the fuck?! I'm not living in blue-haired hell!" panicpanicpanic before I started cackling. I think I'll be ok.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:41:53 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935554 << it's not like it's fucking arbitrary, might as well ask sums to "moderate themselves", why not, write letter to factorial, "dear factorial, your results are computationalyl challenging, and it is unfair to most numbers above 10 or so that they can never feel safe in being followed up by an exclamation point like their single-digit bretheren. why won't you moderat
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936059 << the curious thing to the squishy humans is how this man is mathematical instead.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 02:06:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, standard wasn't ~properly~ described. standard was described at fucking all, i don't need to explain the difference between your logger which diana_coman 's running now and phf's alleged logger which, for all anyone knows, consists of one mechanical turk who meanwhile got sad / ran away.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935983 << like I say to the 20somethings at work, NOT ENOUGH CONTEXT TO DO ANYTHING BUT KNOW YOUR EMOTIONAL STATE, about which I don't care. jfw get at me and give it a try while I'm at battlestation so I can see wtf. also next time say how you're attempting so some amount of useful activity can take place async
BingoBoingo: Well, that's how they signal it's a purge
asciilifeform: 'Motherboard has obtained a copy of the email thread, but has censored the names of its participants besides Stallman. ' << bonus lulz
BingoBoingo: I remember when finally, after a couple years of terraforming, the jungle corner of mom's yard was rendered mowerable.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz BingoBoingo might appreciate, asciilifeform was clearing , i shit thee not, jungle, w/ machete
BingoBoingo: But yes, the plaza in front of the President's tower, the National Standards Institute, and the National theater is being occupied by Hollywood adjacent forces with some pretty shitty looking tanks
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It is http://bingology.net/2019/09/11/uruguay-for-sale-or-keanu-sacks-the-plaza-independencia-grass/ Netflix and Keanu Reeves filming something.
BingoBoingo: In local news: Uruguayos stripped down and humiliated in the Plaza Independencia https://i.redd.it/dsjaoraybmm31.jpg
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:58:06 asciilifeform: lobbes: in re elderly relatives ( and asciilifeform also has some ) -- if you have the budget, and they're reasonably portable, you can try to evacuate'em. bitter pill, but gotta point out, lotsa folx went to the ovens in prev. reich who otherwise didn't have to, because they did not come up with a timely decisive cut of this knot.
mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
mircea_popescu: then again, ~all old folks are broke anyway as far as the eye can see, so it makes little practical difference.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << this is very common, for precisely the reason.
mircea_popescu: not like there's no precedent. it was recently illegal to be named ito, sato, suzuki &c
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:25:35 BingoBoingo: At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:27:11 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936194 << hmm, yeah I guess it wouldn't prevent me today at least. Still, not sure if I'd be willing to take that risk that the list won't expand as the end days of the empire march onward. Meh, moar thinking to do for me it seems
asciilifeform: ( aaand, cannot resist to pose the q, what % of this mass is autoconf liquishit ? )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936176 << holyfuq! was this ~just~ gcc, or also the 'toolchains' crapolade ?
asciilifeform: lobbes: in re elderly relatives ( and asciilifeform also has some ) -- if you have the budget, and they're reasonably portable, you can try to evacuate'em. bitter pill, but gotta point out, lotsa folx went to the ovens in prev. reich who otherwise didn't have to, because they did not come up with a timely decisive cut of this knot.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-29 13:32:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
lobbes: perhaps I should look into the 'renegotiation' thing after all. maybe can shield her that way.
lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
lobbes: this is true. Most who do leave, do so to fenced in resorts where they do not need to learn local tongue even
asciilifeform: starting with the fact that ~80% of'em never even had an external passport at all, nor can think of why to ask for one
asciilifeform: lobbes: as i understand it, the current regime of leave/enter in usgschwitz is 'liberal' strictly b/c there is much larger 'invisible fence' that keeps zeks comin' back
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 12:06:35 BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 16:13:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936188 << they're traditionally moar interested in 'kulaks, who surely have gold squirreled away somewhere!' than the stones with certifiably 0 blood to squeeze
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936225 << makes sense, though I could see them expanding it to student loans for pure ceremonial reasons.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 15:25:35 BingoBoingo: At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936194 << hmm, yeah I guess it wouldn't prevent me today at least. Still, not sure if I'd be willing to take that risk that the list won't expand as the end days of the empire march onward. Meh, moar thinking to do for me it seems
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catie-sigh-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - CATIE: Sigh. Adnotated.
lobbes: leukocyte on its own power, lest it dies with him. Otherwise, wtf are we all doing?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-14 07:57:52 diana_coman: fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936160 << verily. Furthermore, the inescapable truth is that one day mircea_popescu will shuffle off this mortal coil. Why anyone would not want to eat as much of his brain while he is around is completely unfathomable to me, especially since he is willingly offering it to eat! The Republic will one day need to stand on its own feet and produce
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catie-reloaded-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - CATIE Reloaded. Adnotated.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 12:06:35 BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936188 << they're traditionally moar interested in 'kulaks, who surely have gold squirreled away somewhere!' than the stones with certifiably 0 blood to squeeze
asciilifeform: ( they're both 4-hose boxen )
asciilifeform: imho The Right Thing there would be to build new array on dulap-spare , w/ cuntoo. ( naturally after crate flies )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:21:39 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 << i however was there at table (twice), and the way it got left off, last i heard, was a vague "of course will definitely dedicate seriously to republic work nao" / "had trouble in the past of various extractions but all better now / financially comfortable" and so on.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936145 << somewhat reminiscent of shinohai ( who also , iirc, solved the 'day job problem' ) but somehow to this day not found the strength to actually do sumthing constructive w/ the freed time
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:15:34 mircea_popescu: 10 is dead, 9 is peerage, the rest's the rest.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936126 << this is imho workable, if not very fine grained (the 1-10 dial wasn't very fine grained to begin with, but does it need to be? )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:10:47 mircea_popescu: it's obviously to be done by the master's hand and none other, which is why that entire lisp obscura grilling was so bizarre ; but whatever, growing pains.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936112 << to me he promised diff. knob, which granted nobody else wanted, and i still have nfi why took 2y of fighting with inner devils to disgorge. ( did, in the end, disgorge, after continued prods out of band. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:59:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935597 << that's kinda lulzy, seeing how you're the only one who did this iirc ?! no need for the guilt trip though : only children organise their movement through the world by the path of less beatings.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936106 << i thought it was clear, but yes, was asciilifeform who whacked phf with stick in regular installments. ( other folx, to whom were promised e.g. the file-movement knob in vdiff -- could have beat, but took mercy )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:58:56 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936040 - hey, glad to hear it actually! it was wholesome food (and no maffs-doctor here, fwiw the maffs in it are undergraduate level I'd say, not more).
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936104 << in asciilifeform's eyes, ought to be edible by anyone who passed arithmetic in grade school. or, so was the design.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but better to have it ready before needed than scramble then
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 03:50:52 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if they wanna.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << this also imho good idea. tho afaik none of the other castles carry enuff load yet to make voicetronic model appealing there
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936085 << this is good point, as in the familiar biblical overloaded camel
BingoBoingo: Anyways, that's why I find "Ernest Talvi - He identifies as a US trained economist. His voter base is mostly reddit dorks." << http://bingology.net/2019/05/26/overview-of-local-electoral-politics-heading-into-the-impending-party-internals/ more offensive than the PCU, MPP, and Mujica. The commies steal, but the "identifies as economist" wants to steal being stolen from and package it for sale in New York.
BingoBoingo: No, they just get fucked out of dollar inflation on top of peso inflation
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed. And the common folk in this part of the world get put to the screws because they measure inflation primarily against the dollar. "dollar doesn't move"
BingoBoingo: At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose with per capita consumption in the us at the lowest levels in the place's history, way below ww2 levels and only commensurate with the economic puritanism of the 1600s... banning tourism might not even be an outrage.
mircea_popescu: doesn't take much, either -- be unemployed, as most grads are.
mircea_popescu: not student loans tho, at least as it stands. for one thing, they're mostly commercial paper ; for the other thing, such a ban'd be pretty much equivalent to banning youth from travelling, afaik most are in some kind of default.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 06:09:39 mircea_popescu: lobbes, i wasn' taware indigence is a bar to re-entry in the zone (i'm putting this here rather than in a comment for visibility, so moar informed folk can see an' comment)
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the problem with script-side exeflags.
ave1: I could not find any other solution in the logs, except for removing for example configure, but that's one step too far for me for gcc.
diana_coman: ave1: a script to set the flags seems fine with me; I don't really see any other sensible option either.
ave1: One problem so far is that the executable flags are not perserved in vdiff, so I have added a script to restore these. Is there any other option?
ave1: As a first step, I'm trying to build without these
ave1: So I'm working on genesis of gcc and the second test build is running. First failed, I expect some more failures before done.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, i wasn' taware indigence is a bar to re-entry in the zone (i'm putting this here rather than in a comment for visibility, so moar informed folk can see an' comment)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 13:53:57 asciilifeform: stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-11 13:43:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935499 << it also shakes other things out of people. when , e.g., lysenko had vavilov confined to dungeon, the other academicians went 'gulp', 'he MUST've been traitor' , etc.