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BingoBoingo: lobbes: Welcome back
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BingoBoingo: ^ asciilifeform mod6 et all
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mp_en_viaje: lol BingoBoingo dc performance artist
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, so you're actually more interested in specializing as latino paralegal ?
mp_en_viaje: that's also a practicable avenue, erryone eg owning property will need one, the paralegal's the natural budding form of everything paperwork related, from real estate administration to govt lobbying, and the law's ~same from ag to cr.
mp_en_viaje: ie, this is also a practicable avenue for you, if the dc thing doesn't sound out.
diana_coman: it does sound like BingoBoingo enjoys paralegal more than datacentres at least.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The prospect does seem interesting. I'd need to actually apprentice, but so far it seems paralegal may be a great fit which could keep me in LATAM. I do feel more effective in LATAM than I would anywhere the derps *have to* English
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It hard for me to tell at this point if that is because the sort of work in this environment is new. There may also be an element of "these derps went from freely spreading their derpligion to forming a crowd and hiding in a glass box.
BingoBoingo: I also seem to have cut the number of meat-WoT seperating myself from legislators of various sorts
trinque: perhaps those legislators would like to know how hard their countryman derps are making it to do business in uy
BingoBoingo: trinque: The sort of nodes leading here that I've been cultivating are of the sort that want to open the foreign money floodgates by cutting old woman wank out
trinque: as they should
BingoBoingo: trinque: Well, why would I close the gap with Commies, socialists, Maoists, and Pol Potists when there's a servicable party which is both "Orgulloso blanco" and nationalist
BingoBoingo: My routine when encountering new folks distributing national party voting lists that aren't bored kids working for Sartori is 1. They offer me their list. 2. I flash the 404 list "Ya tengo, pero gracias porque estas ayudando el paisito"
BingoBoingo: Conversation happens from there.
BingoBoingo: It slows down getting from point A to point B, and this mostly puts me in contact with older 40 to retired-ish folks. However, the big effect is it sucks all the energy out of the nearby socialists trying to hand out their lists.
BingoBoingo: Now, pamphleteers from the various commie groups along with the dying "Colorado" party get the flash 404 list "Ya tengo" routine as well. Monday and Wednesday they got it all the way from the old city to Montevideo Shopping.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Now the big problem Uruguay's had is that the Fat Foreheads are a coalition. This means that while each constituent sector has socialisms they want to push and areas they want to give room for takeable money to build up, the coalition aspect and retard bias towards hugging means that when they go to deal... Internally as a coalition they sacrifice the breathing room for business entirely and instead do a little bit of each kind
BingoBoingo: of evil socialism.
trinque: this doesn't shock me terribly.
BingoBoingo: I don't expect it can
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I've been feeding folks here the idea "It must be very bad for business if the Government has to make deals with big companies individually. Imagine all the small and medium businesses that can not y will not bring jobs because the Fat Forehead government would have to negotiate individually y vivimos en el paisito.
BingoBoingo: trinque: I want to thank you again for the kick into action a week ago. I have had limited direct contact with damned this week, but it seems that Yesterday is the day it clicked for them as to just how absolutely fucked they can be.
trinque: if we don't learn from each other, what republic
BingoBoingo: Thanks to the papers left with their apparent counsel on Wednesday they have the long narrative I brough to the police which was summarized into the officer's much shorter "hecho policial." A narrative in which I spent hours making absolutely sure I did not perjure myself, referencing our correspondence and their marketing materials thoroughly.
trinque: cool, if they have any sense they won't want to duke it out over a few months of 1 rack.
trinque: not that you should assume sense will suddenly flower in, as you put it, the damned.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Their pretense to that seems empty at this point. The question seems to be more along the lines of what they will pay to not have a ready baked fraud case delivered to the local prosecutors.
BingoBoingo: My only reservation about defending against a potential suit from them is locating a very traditional, Southern, and genteel seersucker suit to wear while vamping about the courtroom.
trinque: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946771 << just remember, the "court" is itself an extraction machine.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-19 08:01:31 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946702 << let it be observed, since we're here, the INTRICATE way in which socialism perpetuates itself. by getting you to believe the whole "intelectual property" claptrap, it gets you to ~volunteer~ for tax in one of its principal tax halls. and it's not even the money tax that's interesting, all the personal service tax, where you pay homage and pay court upon a
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 01:12:27 trinque: in my case a chap stole from me, gave to an enemy. I was enraged.
trinque: probably best outcome is to bring it quickly to a close, and then see if you can work for the best of the lawyers you met.
BingoBoingo: trinque: It is indeed. As mentioned in the post however, defending a very unlikely suit from them would be very inexpensive in monetary terms to me. Pursuing a suit is the expensive direction.
BingoBoingo: At least here.
BingoBoingo: Before the actual suits hit the docket there's a mandatory arbitration attempt stage where their suit would almost certainly die.
BingoBoingo: "Qué significa 99.98 y 99.99 en minutos de falta cada mes? En estes correos donde Ustds. mostraron "buene fé?" And from there on stay attached to the neck by the teeth.
BingoBoingo: 50/50 chance it gets dismissed right there and 1/2 to 3/4 of their potential maximum upside by pursuing action has been blown then and there. They have to be extraordinarily bad at math.
BingoBoingo: Also once the suspicions about the Wednesday meeting are confirmed, an attack on licenses is also practically free except for my time.
trinque: I'm familiar with this "practically free" so from this point forward I'm going to popcorn and cheer you on. Just remember when to pull out, lest ya spurt in the wrong bitch.
trinque: meant to *not familiar, but it works both ways.
BingoBoingo: If I fuck up too bad LATAM is a big place. One of the dictatorship/military fellows facing "Operation Condor" charges from the 1970s routinely goes in and out of the country much to the chargrin of local competent authorities.
BingoBoingo: I have low expectations of anyone's ability to be compelled into paying here. Inflicting costs however is the pressure avenue.
trinque: right. my experience has been that the poor will, failing all else, shit themselves if it gets shit on you also.
trinque: like any other animal
BingoBoingo: I am confident their spending in legal costs and their own payroll hours has already crossed into the low 4 figures. The expenses related to the ginger if hired from outside their own organization was at least 150 US for the time I was there. He wasn't the typical Securitas et al put on a uniform and walk around or sit in a guard booth type.
BingoBoingo: This week money going to counsel for their time, the telegram, and VAT summed to 167 USD.
BingoBoingo: Which means counsel in this case so far is within about 20-25 ish percent of what was spent on a laser printer
BingoBoingo: To this point, costs have been very asymmetrical.
trinque: maybe this case will be instructive for me in how much more wasteful common law systems are compared to Roman law. willing to observe and learn.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Actual court workings are likely similarly insane, but the law itself is much more clear. The entirety of the criminal code was read last Saturday.
BingoBoingo: Only parts of it are still loaded into the brain, but doing that was a big Holy Shit moment.
BingoBoingo: The Civil Code may be a man clumsily trying to make sense of the world, but it was the work of one man living in a country that had a population under 100,000. Previously dispute resolution happened through dueling and feuding.
asciilifeform expects to spend most of today writing, but following thread
BingoBoingo: Common law systems allow entering precendent all the way back to when the Anglo fuckers on retard island decided to make their law a sort of talmudic type study done sloppily.
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, noticed this morning that (for 1st time?) all the trb noades known to asciilifeform , are properly synced )
BingoBoingo: For that practicing in common law means the law itself is at least as ambiguous as the facts of the case through history rapidly increasing the complexity as they system is used.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, anglo 'law' is ~100% this. ( and, as superset, mp's description. )
BingoBoingo: In the roman law system the law is clear, and more time can be spent on the facts. There are appelate courts to consider corner cases and weird not contemplated or ambiguously handled by the codes, but... the incentive to derp your way into rewriting law in a particular case is nearly non-existent.
BingoBoingo: Yes, this does mean the bureaucrats and stamp affixing class gets more relative weight in the Roman Law system. In absolute terms though their weight appears to remain the same while the common law derpery is just morbidly obese in general.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In this system "escribano", notarization is its own law course of roughly the same duration and intensity as the lawyering one.
BingoBoingo: They do take the stamping and rituals seriously
asciilifeform: strong sovok flavour.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Based on MP's survey the world's remains all stink of Sovok or worse today.
asciilifeform recalls as a 3yo playing w/ grandfather's set of rubber stamps; no fewer than dozen, and in astonishing variety of shapes/sizes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At some point I will have to check the Rockchips for casualties. The load shifting on the way out of Latecho had the RK plant take some paint off of the smaller switch which had served it.
BingoBoingo: But RK health seems a low priority at present
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they were the cheapest thing in there, right after screws and hoses, dun worry about'em.
BingoBoingo: I suspect most of the cabling including the surprisingly cheap for their weight C13/14 power cables will be disposed of via the "Free to a good home" device more commonly used with puppies
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's prolly -ev to even spend 5min thinking about what to do w/ those.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless that pile actually occupies considerably space in your quarters, and you find yerself tripping over it -- just hold on to'em, you never know when need to tie a suitcase etc.
asciilifeform: *considerable
BingoBoingo: At present they are contained in the hard plastic former bilge box exerting a kilo or two of pressure against the boxes closure tabs. It kinda seems like a waste of perfectly good box.
BingoBoingo: Maybe keep a couple just because, but...
BingoBoingo: No way in hell are all those flying anywhere.
trinque: brb, moving weechat to new home.
BingoBoingo: Welcome back trinque
trinque tips hat
asciilifeform meanwhile took delivery of 40kg crate containing 2 'dulap'. won't touch'em tho until wrap up current article.
BingoBoingo: Nice
asciilifeform: irons, BingoBoingo , are the easiest part of all of this.
BingoBoingo: In your location they are indeed.
asciilifeform: i suspect even in other locations.
BingoBoingo: Down here the easiest part was visiting the irons... while that lasted
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to take asciilifeform approx same time to get to/from his rack as did for BingoBoingo to his
asciilifeform has been getting acquainted, slowly, w/ the dc crew, incl. the night shift people
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Retrieval mission was ~12 minutes from my door to the tower door. Unusually favorable stop light luck.
asciilifeform: there's people there at all hrs, apparently. last time asciilifeform went to set up that box for mp, the liveried 'coloco' limo was in fact running and standing by front door, opened up, and driver was waiting for somebody...
asciilifeform presently dun know why there is a limo, or for that matter the similarly painted apc. they normally live in the parking lot, and each eats 6 spaces... i assumed they were props, engineless. evidently not
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~6mi drive, here. takes 15-25min depending on the hour of day/night.
BingoBoingo: That's... a slow drive. In my part of old country the mile a minute rule of thumb held for most drives of an hour's length.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's 5 lights and 'i90' in'ere.
asciilifeform: tryin' various paths, maybe 1 faster.
BingoBoingo: Seasonally tractors towing field equipment that doesn't nicely fold up at 2x walking speed was a hazard
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so far my least favourite piece in the tea ceremony is the door locks -- there's 4 of'em and the 1st requires key, pw, finger, and... face. there's a hole into which face.
asciilifeform: never saw a theater like that, even in depths of usg.
BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta sell and the folks selling weirdlocks have their own pitch on how weirdlocks help them sell.
asciilifeform: also anyffin that dun fit in a knapsack is decreed to go through the dock. which means ordering the crew to unlock the gates, takes 10min or so on top.
asciilifeform: there's a dock valet 24/7 tho, apparently.
asciilifeform bbl, back to work
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