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BingoBoingo: lobbes: First go to your settings, Discussion settings, "other comment settings" and uncheck the box for "Break comments into pages"
lobbes: BingoBoingo: wait, this for server-side selection? Or is this a known fix for teh comment lag?
lobbes: in any case, I have unchecked suggested box
lobbes: meanwhile, I've found the trilema for server-side selection. Will apply and report back
lobbes: well, that was simple! Mah blog nao has proper server-side selection. Ty mircea_popescu and co. for that fix. (and ty BingoBoingo for unrelated fix)
lobbes: my blog grows leaner and meaner by the hour
mircea_popescu: incidentally, lobbes , not to cramp your style, but... how old was the subbie you propositioned ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I don't really have a style to cramp atm; I'll eat any and all knowledge right now
lobbes: it was maybe a month or so ago (and over the interwebz), so I can't remember fully, but I want to say she was ~25 years old mebbe
lobbes off to mines, bbl
BingoBoingo: lobbes: In other news, its been 4 years since you last wrote for Qntra, but you are still very welcome to contribute.
BingoBoingo: And in supremely sad local economic indicators a Paraguayo "alternative" firm made the news for targeting Uruguay with the offer. Local media not particularly skeptical.
BingoBoingo: "Los perfiles que sean seleccionados tendrán inicialmente un contrato a prueba por 60 días, cuyos detalles se estipularán antes del viajar. También se ofrecerá capacitación y finalizada esa etapa, si la evaluación es satisfactoria pasarán a ser funcionarios del grupo. La empresa dará asistencia en los trámites legales y en áreas como el alojamiento, por ejemplo. Según Estaras, se ofrecerán salarios “a la
BingoBoingo: par” e incluso “superiores” a los que hoy se pagan en Uruguay para las áreas requeridas."
BingoBoingo: Now it could be the case the Para-rotary firm needs to fill seats with cheap Uru-rotary college boys and is simply over estimating the value of Uru-rotary paper holders.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931645 << congrats lobbes ! tested -- worx. i still gotta do same in my www ( and munge the 9000 old-fashioned selects.. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 00:25:55 lobbes: meanwhile, I've found the trilema for server-side selection. Will apply and report back
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/assholes-fork-gimp-over-problematic-name/ << Qntra -- Assholes Fork GIMP Over 'Problematic' Name
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: per my lights, 'gimp' died years ago, when went to 'mandatory' gtk3 .
asciilifeform: last usable ver afaik circa-2011ish.
asciilifeform: (gtk3 is fatwa'd, as it sucks in 'dbus' and thereby systemdism. see also. )
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-11 18:51:03 asciilifeform: ( gtk3 is on asciilifeform's published gentoo-banhammer roster )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's one level of retardation. Crying ableism when visual media is inaccessible to the totally blind is a completely other level of retardation.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 08:01:06 lobbes: it was maybe a month or so ago (and over the interwebz), so I can't remember fully, but I want to say she was ~25 years old mebbe
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you recall the 'coreboot'->'libreboot' tardism -- was similar, maggot eruption after many many yrs of decay in the grave.
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: 30yo with no experience has exactly 0 business talking to 20something subbies as a general rule, it's a complete mismatch, like taking pepper and cinnamon TO the indies.
mircea_popescu: heya alf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's old europistan this time of yr ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AHA, 'libreboot' was dysfunctional tranny coup
mircea_popescu: and the problem with this part of the lands is that the sluts are short.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha. but coup of already corpse project. sorta like 'robbing' 1 of those boarded up banks that closed in 2000s, that litter the landscape in east ameristan
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the last x86 irons that actually work with 'coreboot', recall, were sold in '13.
asciilifeform: the 1 exception being 'apu1' , but is sewn from 2013 'g-series' that amd is constantly threatening to 'end of life'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This still is for no fault of the coreboot team. Not when the libreboot transteam went and broke things that already worked under coreboot
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: which reminds me : i'll be buying 4 of these.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931662 << but perfectly usable and perfectly useful.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 14:37:13 asciilifeform: last usable ver afaik circa-2011ish.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i still use mine
mircea_popescu: i still have cca 2007 installs that work fine
asciilifeform: ( mine -- 2011 )
asciilifeform liked 'gimp' , aside from the asinine window system. even got it to work with electric pen thing at one pt
mircea_popescu: i like it too.
BingoBoingo: GIMP is the perfect example of, "does what you want *UNLESS* you upgrade"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform was 1 time 'lucky' enuff to find an edge case where gimp barfed and had to resort to a heathen photo editor on toilet box . ( stitching segments of photos that weighed GB+ , in the lispm reversing series. on very similar irons, the heathen proggy ran, gimp -- ground to halt. i suspect gimp has some o(n^2)-isms in it. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not improbably, but I suspect in newer GIMPS the edge cases are further degraded.
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if not
asciilifeform: and i suspect that most folx could live 100 yrs and not ever run into a case of editing a 2GB bitmap.
asciilifeform: it was a very unusual -- and hence memorable -- case, where microshit actually worked where human tool did not.
asciilifeform wondered -- on acct of what reich use case, did they actually bother to optimize for ram-filling photo. perhaps spy sats ?
mircea_popescu: riding atop gimp, i never encountered a case where mactardation was even usable. we're not talking here microsoft (shit never worked), nor holy shit "gimp not werk".
BingoBoingo: Could be other Incan military applications https://i.imgur.com/7SQQSkj.jpg
mircea_popescu: never saw such winder.
asciilifeform: holyfuq BingoBoingo , what is that ? midget corps ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have not found context for the where it is from yet
asciilifeform: ( if these were in sovok, could be tank brigate, iirc you had to be under 160cm )
asciilifeform: *brigade
BingoBoingo: My impression is that the group is "chromosone heavy" infantry
asciilifeform: 'here is light infantry, they get 1l of cocacola / d.' 'here -- heavy infantry, they get 3L.'
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is once USG turned to waivers to put more dole on the defense budget... I can't tell if those are enlisted marines or honored "make a wish" outreach victims.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one time there was (is?) such a thing as 'theoretical' soldiers, in usa army. you walk in with a diploma, they sew you a uniform, you go an' 'soldier' in e.g. lab salt mine. at one time asciilifeform worked in a place fulla these. but even they looked moar like someone you could put in a field, than this.
asciilifeform: i specifically recall a ru d00d. rank of no less than major. a: 'what the hell are you doing here' he : 'what ~you~ doing here'
asciilifeform: never found out what is the max rank for orc in usa army. perhaps there's an orc general even somewhere.
asciilifeform: mostly these folx had 'medical' epaulettes.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 >> 'Ajunsi in acest punct, hai sa facem o noua regula : cine n-are o suta de dolari de aruncat pe luna, .... n-a atins inca maturitatea sociala care sa-i ingaduie sa umble dupa fete' << rly, 100 ? or is this from epoch when 100 bought a flat in orcistan ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
mircea_popescu: no, it's from the epoch where teens whined that omfg, "she's claiming not to be a whore but expects me to pay for the coffee"
mircea_popescu: 100% contemporary frisco.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931653 << ty BingoBoingo. I'll keep my eyeballs peeled for lulz, but I'll be honest in that the quality of Qntra over the years has been so good that I barely get my lulz from any other source these days!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 11:40:23 BingoBoingo: lobbes: In other news, its been 4 years since you last wrote for Qntra, but you are still very welcome to contribute.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931658 << ty! I got some old-fashioned selects to update as well, tho not nearly as many as asciilifeform and mircea_popescu. Prolly the only good aspect right now of having a nascent blog atm
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 14:29:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931645 << congrats lobbes ! tested -- worx. i still gotta do same in my www ( and munge the 9000 old-fashioned selects.. )
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931666 << Thank you. I was thinking this was the way to go as most of the folx giving me the best advice at those meetings (and online for that matter) were, in fact, older subbie girls near their 50s, followed by the 'old guard' owners.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 15:00:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931651 << now that's just plain silly. why not talk to a 50yo slave with 2-3 decades' experience instead ? she's much more likely to can be bothered with you in the first place, and much more likely to have what for you to learn if she does. even her owner might be more tolerant.
lobbes: The youngsters, while friendly, seemed more preoccupied with 'playing scenes' (which are a blast to watch, dun get me wrong, but I desire moar)
lobbes: It shouldn't be a surprise that I weigh mircea_popescu's advice in such matters with a tad more weight, so when it lines up with my observations in the field it usually is a sign I'm on the right track
lobbes: incidentally, it may be time I join the rotaku club. Good % of Trilema that I can't even begin to read
asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik, that'll make 2, of us
asciilifeform: ( not counting mircea_popescu's 'inpatients' , that is )
asciilifeform: lobbes: see this old thrd . handy.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-24 16:53:07 asciilifeform: prolly only cure is actually snarfing in a few kilometres of ro voice track.
lobbes: I assume that having quality material with which to read is a good motivator as well. I confess to trying to learn Japanese for a spell; memorized most of the hiragana, started on the katakana, and then went "when the hell will I ever USE this??" then kind of stopped
asciilifeform: lobbes: i've been doing jp for coupla yr nao. recreationally, only.
asciilifeform: could ~maybe~ pass 1st grade.
lobbes: hey, that's something. I never even ate a single kanji
asciilifeform: interestingly, the americans, who colonized and subjugated jp, to this day produced ~0 usable lit re the lang. ~all of asciilifeform's working materials -- from su.
lobbes: I can imagine
asciilifeform: lobbes: if you abstract past the hieroglyphs-- is easier to eat than any euro lang. no declensions, no conjugation , very little of what euro folx normally think of as grammar gnarl.
asciilifeform: perhaps one day jp will rip out of the yoke...
lobbes: now this is interesting. Once I understood that they had two distinct scripts with identical phonemes purely to denote emphasis/no-emphasis I got a little spooked that the rest would be way too insane to understand
lobbes: I never made it to the actual grammar
asciilifeform: this is not accurate summary of why diff scripts, lobbes
lobbes: aha. goes to show your point about the ~0 usable lit then haha
lobbes: I was thinking katakana ~= "italicized" in eng. this is not the case?
asciilifeform: there's the hieroglyphs ('kanji') which cover normal adult lit , or rather 95%; connective tissue , proper names, older loan words -- in 'hiragana' ( syllabic ); 'katakana' ( a sort of minimalist hiragana, moar 'runic' aesthetic ) largely for foreign words, names of dirty euro devils, some children's lit.
lobbes: ahh okay
asciilifeform: hieroglyphs -- to the annoyance of white devils -- ea. have at least 2 pronunciations, dep. on context
asciilifeform: ('on' -- 'chinese-like' / vs. 'kun' -- 'native'. famously illustrated by 'seppuku/harakiri', 'on'/'kun' respective pair of same kanji string. )
asciilifeform: for details/nitpicks refer to actual experts.
lobbes: this may go to mircea_popescu's old point of "with language, like sex, there is no drawbacks to starting with master class"
lobbes: perhaps starting with kanji not a bad idea
asciilifeform: lobbes: normally folks start with the kana ( or you can't even read a normal dictionary or kindergarten-level book etc )
asciilifeform is thinking, prolly he is the last 1 who oughta give folx advice re languages. his methods , likely , are applicable to ~nobody. prolly even mircea_popescu's method ( house pets ) is moar widely usable .
lobbes: well most learning materials I've read did suggest to start with kana, for that specific reason
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Well, the idea behind Qntra is if you see a lol, you share the lol and through this process Qntra grows in both author count and in lol enjoying population
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931384 << what's the url you want to have? possibly doable as apache-level URL rewrite
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:17:48 asciilifeform: it'd have to by the ugly-as-arse /log/chan/index#index or sumsuch
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931432 << his flippant seroquel shit *riled me up*
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 13:27:15 mircea_popescu: add to that the FUCKING INSANE tlp being annoying as fuck, i'm having a blogging crisis over here
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:35:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing !
asciilifeform: i.e. errything oughta work just as presently, BUT with the index being the actual determinator of where link goes.
asciilifeform: ( incl. the page scroll to anchor and highlight must remain working just as now )
trinque: what on the backend determines URL routing?
asciilifeform: ( the reason for this itch is that i have found it to be impossible to guarantee that all dates agree )
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun think i understand the q
asciilifeform: trinque: see linked mircea_popescu thread. it appears to be the case that anchors in fact are not transmitted to the remote end, at all.
trinque: from the other end, why not / instead of #
asciilifeform: cuz how to make it scroll to pos ?
trinque: yep, they are not. they're an in-page link from ye olde times
trinque: willing to use a minimal amount of JS?
asciilifeform: trinque: no js ugh
asciilifeform: right nao my proggy is 100% js-free
asciilifeform: currently closest thing i had to a workable idea is /chan/idx#x ( where #x is simply a fixed string ) and generated page contains #x in the right pos, and coloured line there.
trinque: heh, I can go hankier. you could instead have a server-side rewrite rule that 301 redirects from / to #
trinque: then referrer contains the ID
asciilifeform: trinque: dun seem like any standard-compliant www end ( front or back ) ever sees # or any text after.
trinque: this is the batshit and denuding coad diana_coman wanted !
asciilifeform: ( my notion above, /chan/optionaldate/index#x , is cribbed from mircea_popescu's selection colourer )
trinque: asciilifeform: considered just giving every line a UUID instead of int identifier?
asciilifeform: trinque: all historical logs must remain valid
asciilifeform: but i'm curious, how does 'uuid' differ from integer ?
asciilifeform: i mean, in practical terms
trinque: lemme go back and try and figure out what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve, unless you'd endulge me with a restatement, because I don't think I'm following.
asciilifeform: trinque: visit the linked thread, it is short.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931397 << yes, I don't understand what it means to both be decorative and work correctly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-27 11:35:50 asciilifeform: dates gotta be decorative and work correctly while being so, or oughta go entirely.
asciilifeform: it means that the lookup must be by idx, not by date
asciilifeform: but at the same time all links are displayed on www from within a calendarized page just as now , with date in the base url ( the date my logger believes they occurred on )
trinque: I wouldn't even consider it a sin if you just went back and fixed all the links to point to present logger, and in so doing, fixed the format.
trinque: isn't the former already contemplated?
asciilifeform: trinque: this would simply throw the problem into the lap of people trying to make own loggers that sync with mine.
asciilifeform: clocks are basically rubbish on pc.
trinque: how? you'd have /log/$channel/$date/$canonicalId and use the latter for line lookup, and the penultimate for paging
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:25:59 asciilifeform: when wrote 1st draft of logotron, i made mistake of sorting ~by time~, ended up with soup displayed
trinque: yep, so I retract the UUID proposal.
asciilifeform: trinque: above seems to be exactly what i suggested. but as i understand will also need #x or such, to scroll to line
asciilifeform: it's headache, but as i understand the shitsoup standard offers no clean knob for it
trinque: yeah, can 301 redirec them to a URL which includes the anchor for the line they requested
trinque: *redirect
asciilifeform: so #'s can be sent ~to~ client ? that's possibly working pill
asciilifeform: tho still ugh cuz what if i'm pasting from browser into irc
trinque: I believe so, yes
asciilifeform: nao cannot paste from url bar , only log line mouse ? ugh
asciilifeform: seems like there is no clean pill, only decision of where we can move the dirt.
trinque: sounds about right for wwwtronix
trinque: actually my first proposal gets you clean URLs
asciilifeform: i'ma wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and see what he thinks before changing proggy. and whoknows, maybe we both missed sumthing.
trinque: so to start from scratch:
trinque: turns out I'm quite tired. I think the above is probably the cleanest solution. will think moar and rejoin thread
asciilifeform: ty trinque
asciilifeform: i've been puzzling over this item but made 0 useful fwd motion yet.
asciilifeform: ( ftr '301' dun strictly require apache kludging, it could be done in my proggy per se )
asciilifeform wrote proggy to be reasonably agnostic of frontend 
asciilifeform: so seems like best formulation so far is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931788 plus the proggy feeds client always 301 to the above with #x appended .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-28 21:30:38 trinque: how? you'd have /log/$channel/$date/$canonicalId and use the latter for line lookup, and the penultimate for paging
asciilifeform: $date would be unused by the parser, while still being correct in all newly-emitted links
asciilifeform: ( should we even have it in the links..? not as if quoting bot doesn't spew the date when quoting )
trinque: if it hasn't been historically meaningful, honesty says kill it
asciilifeform: my present take on all of this : it ~is~ possible for loggers to agree on ~order~ of lines ( albeit in corner cases, difficult ). however it is not possible for them to properly agree re absolute time. ( and in fact the timestamps in the imported logs are all over the place )
asciilifeform: i suggested in orig thrd, to throw out the date from url. lessee what mircea_popescu thinks.
asciilifeform: ( note, they can still be displayed in calendarized pages , as now )
asciilifeform: trinque: re clocks, at one time mircea_popescu suggested to use trb block as clock. but imho is of very limited use as clock, cuz not guaranteed to advance in any given interval.
asciilifeform: ( wedge -- clock stops easily for days )
asciilifeform: i.e. how deedbot.
asciilifeform: but deedbot dun need to go in realtime, unlike logotron.
asciilifeform: ( for folx not following in depth -- fleanode does not emit timestamps; they come from local machine where a given logotron ran when it logged a line )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 17:36:55 mircea_popescu: earlier stopped at gelateria. nicely furnished. had no table service and only paper cups. ONE SIZE. no plates, no nothing.
asciilifeform: hrm did i break that link..?
asciilifeform brb,meat 
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