ave1: trinque, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1891961, I've build it with itself (i.e. musl). But the ultimate start has always been the gcc version from AdaCore. I could not get it to work with an FSF start.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 00:35 trinque: ave1: is it your experience that your gcc+gnat builds on musl? builds for musl, yes, but on?
trinque: ave1: built with itself, but ever on a system without glibc?
ave1: aha, no I have not in fact
trinque: building it on cuntoo might be a good test of your script's isolation. possible it relies on something from the host.
ave1: the whole thing in the end is static, but yes maybe still relies on a specific gcc lib in there
ave1: do you have an error log?
trinque: headed bedward now, but I'll see what I can dig up tomorrow. appeared the bootstrap compiler refused to run.
trinque: this would be expected if the bootstrap compiler requires a host glibc.
asciilifeform: trinque: adacorpse orig gnat is defo not static itself
BingoBoingo: Fucking hayseed cuck!
diana_coman: trinque, o hey. Let me know if you need any info from my end.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html << The Tar Pit -- Schedule for Republican work, February - April 2019
trinque: diana_coman: the first thing I'm curious about is the press-head which produced your vdiff
trinque: the paths from your genesis don't even look like real paths; they look like two paths mangled together
trinque: it doesn't seem to have happened anywhere else in your genesis either
trinque: sorry, *the profile-related paths which differed from mine
diana_coman: trinque, iirc I used my own starter_v.zip so that's pressed to vtools_ksum (i.e. http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_ksum ) as per http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/#selection-69.219-69.332
mircea_popescu: you actually have diff vdifs.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hm?
mircea_popescu: he pressed to vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp ; you pressed to vtools_ksum
mircea_popescu: not saying that necessarily accounts for the difference. but it is a fact.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman what's bash --version say ?
diana_coman: ah, he pressed to next (aka last) node; possibly that makes a diff, hm
diana_coman: lemme see on that machine..
diana_coman: GNU bash 4.4.12(1)
diana_coman: for full comparison with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892015 mine is GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 04:03 trinque: GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl)
mircea_popescu: so same ver diff build.
diana_coman: aha; well, mine is stock gentoo rather than musl so yes
trinque: the code that runs vdiff is pretty simple, lives at line 114 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh
trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state?
trinque: with the build mount unmounted of course.
trinque brb, baking sidequest requires eggs
mircea_popescu: bwahahah
mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches).
mircea_popescu: AND THEN THERE WERE THREE!!!
diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/qntra-sqntr-january-2019-statement/ << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) January 2019 Statement
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally : qntra was FIVE YEARS OLD in october!
diana_coman: oh hey, congrats to BingoBoingo and belated cake for qntra!
mircea_popescu: diff guy did a coupla years first, before being sucked into the evercunt manifold.
diana_coman: yeah, I recall he even came up for some air rumbling at some point
mircea_popescu: !#seen cazalla
a111: 2018-09-04 <cazalla> not much i can say you haven't experienced or don't already know having done it i guess
mircea_popescu: word.
asciilifeform in the guts of 16b but tuned in & following cuntoo scent
mircea_popescu: in other news, mp's own bash grenadiers regiment suggests an ad interim solution for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891951 in the shape of ls | grep ^x..$' | while read line; do curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=@$line" http://p.bvulpes.com -w %{url_effective}; done
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 23:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes would it be at all possible to lift your pastebin limit to say 50mb ?
mircea_popescu: to be fed, of course, the result of split -29950 <filename>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you want topless thai princess enough to go through ^ ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol before long we'll be doin' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884320
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 01:56 asciilifeform: http://www.slyck.com/Newsgroups_Guide_PAR_PAR2_Files << found it.
mircea_popescu: you know ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to see it , given that mircea_popescu thought it was of interest
mircea_popescu: aite baking
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: & ty grenadiers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZPXVL/?raw=true
asciilifeform: got it, ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: decodes, plays, a++
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu do you want this mirrored on dulap ?
diana_coman: in other side quests, I got good ol' Supaplex next to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829520 ; and a whole batch of old stuff while at it, all running nicely on a dosbox
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if you want moar warez from that period, i have a hand-curated collection
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the funny thing is that I have trouble remembering any names as such - it's more when I read the names that I go "oh, THAT one"
asciilifeform: right, curated w/ index txt
diana_coman: mind pasting that index or is it accessible somewhere?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's on a mitsumi gold cd thing, i'ma excavate it tomorrow morning
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i couldn't care less. say what you will of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891093 it still has thai prince's bday party beat
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 01:59 mod6: lol. that girl in the cage was n00d iirc!
mircea_popescu: and THAT wasn't really worth filming either.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty for the cake
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it can wait even longer than that really
asciilifeform: http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/liquishit/tdog.flv << posted strictly for thread-completeness, i agree with mircea_popescu re it being largely a snoar
mircea_popescu: galling, too, schmuck's going about fixing the gal's fingerfood selection for her and other http://trilema.com/2011/cum-era-sa-il-pleznesc-pe-unu/ delectables.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta agree, mega-kronprinz that is too chicken to take the wrapper off the chix
mircea_popescu: i mean, not like he has to, wtf, im not gonna tell him his business. but i fucking hate half measures,
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder if he keeps the cellophane on his sofa also
asciilifeform: ( y'know this '90s orc habit ? )
mircea_popescu: if you'\re going to "go fix the pipes" do me the fucking courtesy and use the wrench.
mircea_popescu: the space of possibilities is well explored by now, the wrench exists for a fucking reason, it's not some arbitrary thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform encountered it in egypt, pretty lulzy.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh incidentally : qntra was FIVE YEARS OLD in october! << Four, will be five the following october
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a right6 you are huh! 2019-2014 = 4 unless you're late enough in the year.
asciilifeform: congrats BingoBoingo , btw
mircea_popescu: well... http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/#selection-1121.15-1121.67
mircea_popescu: aaanyways. can reproduce sad dood's bday party by following me around shopping or w/e, girls kneel to present me cake or w/e. #PublicPlay
mircea_popescu: "eastern monarchies" of polyester shirts and bitter sadness.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta wonder, do they grow'em http://trilema.com/2018/the-saddest-person-in-the-world/ -style
mircea_popescu: they evidently must, i can conceive of no other explanation.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's not like i set out to outprince the $eastern-monarch
mircea_popescu: i set out to see what the fuck is there.
asciilifeform: sadprinz evidently did not
mircea_popescu: but he is supposed to be the ad-idem continuator of "people who long ago have", as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891663 algo.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 18:08 asciilifeform: and it dun strike me as somehow outlandish that in cn they've played the tape 3-4 times, while in europistan 1-2.
asciilifeform: ( and it aint as if 'simply aint done', saud princes routinely get on airplane & fuck heathens )
mircea_popescu: that's what's said there, yes ? that a) this thing is b) ad idem continuator of c) thing that explored space of possibilities ALREADY.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the ball bearing analogy for simulated annealing algo ?
asciilifeform: sometimes the ball goes into a hole and sits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the basis of general experience i expect (the foregoing is no kind of proof) that their "fucking heathens" consists of this derpy dood telling some inept whore in cocal casino that "he didn'rt want to assume".
mircea_popescu: nicole'll tell you all about it, once she digs herself out of punishment hole and is allowed maybe the use of furniture again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking rather of the 1 that 'fell onto' that secretute , famously
asciilifeform: 'accidentally' driving cock full bayonet in
asciilifeform: recall, there was a whine circus re subj couplayrs ago
mircea_popescu: o, right, right. the difference between him and 10`000 'ard cunts in the sad isles that night was that he's the one the chick decided to give a run for his money (which he got to keep most of).
mircea_popescu: ordinary working class telegraph boys fall on her every other weekend, with no further effect.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty
mircea_popescu: as far as i know [and what i don't know in this town ain't worth knowing], the last "thai princes" in existence sported armenian moustaches, went about in confiscated warsaw pact uniforms and had names ending in that ridiculous accented c.
mircea_popescu: kunarac fellow & co
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nicole'll tell you all about it, once she digs herself out of punishment hole and is allowed maybe the use of furniture again. << AHA, see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1891974
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 03:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did you get as far as where he ~reveals~ the sauce for the "go at it the right way" device ?
BingoBoingo: "She says Well if you will go and talk the right way to Comiskey I believe he will give you $3000 but you must be sure you go at it the right way and don't go and ball it all up. Well we argude about it a while because I don't want to hold nobody up Al but finally I says I would. It would not be holding nobody up anyway because I am worth $3000 to the club if I am worth a nichol."
asciilifeform bbl,meat
BingoBoingo: Leads to: "Then he says I am not sure you are going to get anything. I says What do you mean? And he says I have gave you a very fare contract and if you don't want to live up to it that is your own business."
mircea_popescu: you know ? total kafka move, when he first goes
mircea_popescu: "I don't think the old man give me no square deal on that lease but if he wants to stick me all right. I am grateful to you Al for trying to fix it up but maybe you could of did better if you had of went at it in a different way. I am not finding no fault with my old pal though. Don't think that. When I have a pal I am the man to stick to him threw thick and thin. If the old man is going to hold me to that lease I guess I wil
mircea_popescu: l have to stand it and I guess I won't starv to death for no $10 a month because I am going to get $2800 next year besides the city serious money and maybe we will get into the World Serious too. I know we will if Callahan will pitch me every 3d day like I wanted him to last season. But if you had of approached the old man in a different way maybe you could of fixed it up. I wish you would try it again Al if it is not no trou
mircea_popescu: ble."
mircea_popescu: you're thinking hm... this is kinda out of character. but you don't realise the fucking paramecium ~simply imported some dna from the woman~.
mircea_popescu: THEN sixty pages later it becomes obvious it's just her , "do it the right way" "which way is the right way ?" "the one that works out to what i want" "but this is after the fact" "i am a christian!!!"
BingoBoingo: AHA
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking pile of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891780 is one thing ; but then there's STRUCTURE in the grime.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 19:04 mircea_popescu: if you redefine all words to mean simply "i love you", you will "live" in the most loving world imaginable.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention, whatever the last person he talked to said becomes holy writ until he talks to someone else
mircea_popescu: i will actually say on the record that i currently believe jack keefe to be the representative american, in this exact sense : if all americans were to be defined by delta from a single point, he's the point which, if chosen, affords the smallest total sum of deltas.
mircea_popescu: which yes, on the face makes lardner the most important writer on america.
BingoBoingo: I endorse this
mircea_popescu: now, the question is -- why did sovok leadership not simply gift the population a buncha copies of this book ?
mircea_popescu: they very much had the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816498 problem. but they did not have enough fucking sense to approach it correctly.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 05:11 mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".
mircea_popescu: there is a deep an' fundamental reason "the narrative" in that sad shithole consists entirely of and exists entirely as commerciam communication aka advertising copy ; and there is a deep and fundamental reason social relations ~do not exist~ among americans outside of commercial relations.
mircea_popescu: why is it that pretty much the only thing two of them ever have to talk about is the latest ad and the only reason they can possibly meet is to try and sell each other tupperware, or try and sell each other out to whatever ?
BingoBoingo: Then there's the enduring unfairness that Jack Keefe's dollar is as good as Tom Sawyer's and... what happened to the dollar between 1919 and 2019?
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: 10 bucks a month rural rents.
mircea_popescu: 1930s as 1880s, fiddy years.
BingoBoingo: 40 bucks a month furnished city flat, and the bitch had the audacity to REFURNISH!
mircea_popescu: and of course, all sort of forgotten lulz, like say "I says I feel O.K. and I ain't afraid to pitch against Johnson and I ain't afraid to hit against him neither. Then Weaver says Have you ever saw him work? Yes, I says, I seen him in Chi. Then Weaver says Well if you have saw him work and ain't afraid to hit against him I'll bet you would go down to Wall Street and holler Hurrah for Roosevelt. I says No I wouldn't do that bu
mircea_popescu: t I ain't afraid of no pitcher and what is more if you get me a couple of runs I'll beat him."
mircea_popescu: (Sir Cashion walnut, for the curious, is most likely "circassian" walnut, aka plain and common walnut)
mircea_popescu: anyways. certainly provides well needed perspective for all sorts of local-flavour insanities. "the success and importance" of "social media", aka "for the first time ever the circumstance that we have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say to each other doesn't seem as much of an impediment anymore!"
BingoBoingo: Then there's the saintly manner Gleason takes Jack and reshapes him into a rounded player without Jack even noticing
mircea_popescu: you know ? and the insanity of it is, my own harem informs me, that is ~exactly~ what gleason ~actually did~.
mircea_popescu: professionally, for a living, for thirty years.
mircea_popescu: this being, of course, the ~correct~ way to imagine things. jack keefe, for being an imaginary character, is actually super-authentic as well as meta-authentic.
mircea_popescu: and THEN, because no, this doesn't fucking end, does it, THEN you also know the future.
mircea_popescu: because these exact same white socks are gonna sell the world series, aren't they.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, did you also go "hmm... his wife returns, pregnant, after giving him the heave-ho... evidently not his kid"
BingoBoingo: Very clearly not his kid
mircea_popescu: only to discover that a) it's not fucking possible she got pregnant and ready to deliver in a single season and then b) actually count the months and discover a woman he married 2nd day after meeting mid-oct is delivering him allan's baby mid june ?
mircea_popescu: ie, she was ALREADY pregnant when they met.
BingoBoingo: Pretty clear this is the only reason Allan dumped the girl off on him
mircea_popescu: a suspicious nature's no help against lardner. he's two steps ahead of all suspicion in his tower of shenanigan.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention how Gleason suffered the next year for not dumping Keefe in Oklahoma for the offseason himself
mircea_popescu: and THEN, in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891044 you wonder ~why~ the big deal about lefthandedness ? was it because lo and behold, the trait is an extremely fine discerner of parenthood, in this specific context ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 00:46 mircea_popescu: Jan 30 18:30:38 <mircea_popescu> and since i mentioned vice-versa again, some #haremleaks : hanbot asked me if i think the only reason anstey made paul a widower was so he didn't have to confront his son fucking his wife during that week.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : the odds of left handed kid born in a house where live two adult males, the one which isn't you being also left handed, being yours are perhaps under 0.1%)
BingoBoingo: It's all ok though because Mr Dustbowl is going to make some tough talk about fixing the left handedness
mircea_popescu: gotta be possible! cuz when a man sets his mind to it, aint not anything in the world he can't pretty well fix./ or at least not want to fix anymore.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892028 << The exact moment I encountered the baby's uninterest in interacting with the world using its right arm
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 05:50 BingoBoingo: Fucking hayseed cuck!
mircea_popescu: i suspected as much.
mircea_popescu: and besides, I won't sign with Detroit for no less than $5000 at most.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in other side-lulz, alf's gonna come back from tea and suspect the poppies were bad or something. "what the FUCK are they talking about!"
mircea_popescu: #ThatTimeWhenYouStepAwayFromTrilemaForAnHourAndYouComeBackToACompletelyDifferentUniverse
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and besides, I won't sign with Detroit for no less than $5000 at most. << Seriously, several kilograms of silver wasn't good enough for 8.5 months of work
mircea_popescu: it wasn't very much money at the time. at least not looking at it from an anachronistic perspective and from within a society where athleticism is the only nobility left.
BingoBoingo: It is also important to note that "stuff" is an important technical term with respect to the ball's movement in the air
mircea_popescu: ny socialite burned 10-20 a week "entertaining"
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea that star athlete would be permitted at the table in society is "obvious" today, but was inconceivable 1919.
mircea_popescu: back then they had other merits to look to.
BingoBoingo: There wasn't much money or much run scoring. "Deadball era" is the term that was applied after the fact
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this isn't so, had major hold on kids.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Major hold on kids, because low run count games are exciting
mircea_popescu: in fact, period baseball may at least claim the honor of being among the few sports to have lived the sportive ideal, all that jazz about "creating moral imperative in young minds" etc.
BingoBoingo: Home runs didn't much happen until after the world series was sold and derp came in to "fix" the game
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is that retarded brit poem about the oxford oarsmen that then get massacred in egypt, "and england is far" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: eh whatever it was. the idea being that some dude hearing the coxcomb going "play up" and then on the nile the same "play up" and heigh-ho ain't britain great for being dumb. something like that anyway.
mircea_popescu: unlike whatever large-headed thai moron struggling to figure out a pipe, i live in this enchanted world where all i need do is whine -- mp's own this-or-that regiment stands ready at the teat, to stuff it in my mouth.
mircea_popescu: THANKEE DARLINGS!
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if there's anything that merits a mass printing its Al's inbox
mircea_popescu: well, jack's outbox, but anyways.
BingoBoingo: It also amazes how much healthier the incentive structures are. For filling the stands and winning the City Series (a thing because owning the ballpark was a business) the bonus was a substantial percent of the player's celery. Today some Jewish kid is dicking around trying to get somewhere between 200-500 million USD guaranteed over the next decade.
BingoBoingo: During his declining years
mircea_popescu: celery ahahaha
BingoBoingo: *Apologies for mispelling Serious, the City Serious
mircea_popescu: hence serious business.
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Do the kids want to eat this winter or do they want to spend the winter digging holes back home
BingoBoingo: Naturally the question is moot, because Allan's bitches will blow it all on furniture
BingoBoingo: But the kids will dream
BingoBoingo: Whether on Reddit or in Al's mailbox
BingoBoingo: Anyway, so far all of today's logs go back to Cuntoo
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/you-know-me-all/ << Trilema -- You know me, all!
mircea_popescu: spyked nice article! it might even end up the current linkpoint for the various http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889920 lost souls, "here, we know the future" item.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 18:29 mircea_popescu: what have you learned in the intervening half decade then ?
mircea_popescu: but i must protest re your blogotron that a) whay do footnote anchors not load the footnote in a hoover overlay! and b) whay does it send no pingbacks ? (or does it, did trilema eat them ?)
mircea_popescu: an' also, what writings predating no longer online you mean ?
mircea_popescu: i expect phf at the very least will muchly love a republican drakma.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news, derps dedicated to ritually dirtying local waters derping about the water already being dirty https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Afroumbandistas-reclaman-que-no-celebraron-Iemanja-en-paz-por-las-cianobacterias-uc709088
feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/02/03/pizarro-isp-update-february-3rd-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Update February 3rd, 2019
diana_coman: spyked, fwiw I did not get the pingback from your blog either
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, comment is in modq
diana_coman: it would be great to follow up all points/threads started in earlier updates really so they don't get lost
diana_coman: the way it reads now, Jan 14 update has a lot of things starting and then by Feb3rd nothing is heard of them at all
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty, approved.
BingoBoingo: The January 14th mega update indeed opened a lot of threads.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When do you anticipate having brain space/time available to revisit the mechanization thread?
diana_coman: I suppose being "updates" you focused only on what changed in the week covered but A. it makes it very difficult to follow because there's no help to re-load Pizarro issues (maybe just a list of issues at the end with dates and carried over until issue fully addressed?) and B. if nothing happened on crucial issues, it's best to keep them pinging at least
BingoBoingo: I indeed focused on the changes. Everything about your proposal appears materially better than what I've been doing so far. Thank you for the constructive feedback, I'm going to implement it starting with the statement update.
BingoBoingo: Opening up communication continues to pay dividends.
BingoBoingo working on a "You know me Al!" post for the reason that I still have quite a bit of hayseed stuck in my headcase
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in continuations http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891084 of antique lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 01:54 asciilifeform: (possibly the only gavin still going from that period?)
mircea_popescu: that anil dash moron with aspirations also "still around". huzzah for cheap ramen.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892053 << updated sig can be found in the comments here >> http://trinque.org/2018/11/27/cuntoo-bootstrapper/#comment-52
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches).
mircea_popescu: need i mention that this is SUCH a wonderfully elegant device for checking exactly what we're interested in checking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything we want ot include in this month's s.nsa report ?
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/02/04/ring-lardner-and-confronting-my-own-inner-hayseed/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Ring Lardner And Confronting My Own Inner Hayseed